>>29014785
>WORLDWIDE
now actually say where in the world. It's just China and retarded eurofaggots

>>29014790
China is one of many countries in the world. This is about the worldwide marketshare.

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>>29014792
We are the woooorld
We are the chiidreen
We are the ones to make the world a better plaaaaaaaace!

>>29014785
Cheaper used EVs for the poor. I'll buy when I can get ~200 mile EV for $5K shitbox

>>29014785
Maybe young people who aren't gear heads will become interested in cars again? We didn't grow up with engine maintenance culture. Our parents never passed on their skills like they were taught. For us, EVs are a fresh start into the world of automotives. And without the hassle of old engine maintenance.

>>29014785
Negrification

>>29014785
quieter neighborhoods honestly. Most of my neighbors are already on EVs, it's quite nice until some amazon/ups/fedex truck comes along. Kind of a shame I haven't seen those EV amazon trucks yet

>>29014785
We'd likely be looking at an automotive landscape like the '50s-'70s again - Chinks and Euros living in places that outlaw non-EVs like Norway (and eventually the whole EU) will transition to EVs entirely before moving entirely to "cars as a service" platforms where cars are shared. You won't even own that EV.
Meanwhile, other countries like the US will essentially retain our own car culture - here the EV experiment has already failed, manufacturers left and right are retooling EV platforms to add engines to them, discontinued V8s are being brought back (even for the Euros at this point) and billions are being spent on new gen V8 development from companies like GM, Porsche, Mercedes and supposedly even Stellantis as Maserati is rumored to get a new V8 soon.
>>29014889
>For us, EVs are a fresh start into the world of automotives
They said that 100+ years ago too, when charging stations were already becoming prevalent even in US cities. With no subsidies/mandates, they didn't catch on in places like the US, of course, as they won't now either. We're not passing down the culture of replacing entire cars due to $15-20k+ battery replacements to our kids.

>>29014785
Rolling blackouts, since data centers are also taking a big piece of the pie too.

>>29014938
>They said that 100+ years ago too, when charging stations were already becoming prevalent even in US cities.
But quickly made obsolete due to their 50km of range (if even that) compared to a petrol car that even back then greatly outranged EVs. I think the American auto industry will hit its EV breaking point too. You're really just one Democrat administration away. The idea of never needing to service a car is appealing to many Americans and they will probably continue to build chargers everywhere and when rapid charging is done in mere 10 minutes, ICE will have no real advantages left.

>>29014938
>V8s are coming back
no one's going to fucking buy them except for few enthusiasts which they are being made for as halo products boomerass retard.
>car culture
what American car culture??? Buying gigantic hybrid SUVs like Rav4 and CRVs? America's future may not be EV for a long time, but it ain't pure piston pumping V8s either

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>>29015004
>gigantic hybrid SUVs like Rav4 and CRVs
These are not gigantic at all and I'm not even a truggfag

>>29015025
>It's not gigantic compared to this ass huge 7 seater SUV
Ok point proven!!

>>29014796
We would actually all be singing this mourning the world if EVs (aka pieces of shit) reached 50% global marketshare

>>29014785
I would be extremely surprised if Plug in EVs ever reach 50% of marketshare.

Plug-in hybrids provide an electric commute while also being able to go on road trips without stressing about the charging network.

>>29015040
They're at 25%. A few years ago when they were 10% people were saying the same thing about 25%.

>>29015045
No. Read the title. It states hybrids OR plug in EVs. I can see those two becoming 50% but not PEVs by themselves.

>>29015048
>PEVs
BEVs my mistake.

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>>29014889
>electric car culture
this already exists for young people its just not cars and it's endemic

>>29014790
Fpbp

>>29015076
$500 brand new on Temu, no license or registration required and it goes from A to B vs $8000 for "it just needs tires" and the engine block cracks or the DoD shits itself.

Doesnt matter
It wont change anything
The stupid ass chinese can have their dumb useless vehicles
Gas and diesel is the best thing for an engine

>>29015135
EVs don't have engines.

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>>29015224
Most of the time they do.

>>29015025
now compare to the original Rav4

>>29014785
its fucking over

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I'm dead serious here. If FSD happens, will y'all legalize ALL drugs? If I don't have to drive... you know.
Driving is the only incentive I have to be sober.

>>29015235
Maybe when real self driving happens. FSD is just tesla trademark bullshit.

>>29014785
Kys you dog eating retard

Youns forget that hybrid is carrying a lot of the weight in this metric. EV has its place as a computer if you can justify the high new price. Drive to much for one rn.

>>29015277
BEVs are 2/3 of the EV market.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! I ABSOLUTELY *MUST* PAY BROWN 3RD WORLDERS FOR OIL!!!!!!!!

>>29015283
Incorrect. Hybrids are about 2/3rds or 70% ish of BEV+PHEV+HEV market share.

>>29015307
Nope
>BEVs continued to dominate total EV sales with a two-thirds share, while plug-in hybrids sales (PHEVs and EREVs) declined by 5% YoY in Q1 2026.
https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/global-electric-vehicle-market-share-quarterly

>>29014889
>For us, EVs are a fresh start
>For us
Shut the fuck up gramps, you're not young anymore. Lying ass millennial trying to shill EVs on a shitty forum, what's wrong with you?

>>29014785
rolling blackout

>>29014785
this is good. i feel like most car guys don't understand that npcs buying evs will bring back enthusiast vehicles. in the future there will be a sharp divide: econobox evslop, and enthusiast ICE vehicles. ICE is the worse option for 90% of car owners; they just want a point a to b vehicle that doesn't make them look poor. EVs are the perfect solution for that. any remaining ICE vehicles will be designed for the enthusiast market, so you'll get shit like bones on all 4 and NA v8s on most ICE cars again. yes, they'll >>29014785
be expensive, but all cars are nowadays.

>>29015327
Then why is electricity usage going down as BEV usage grows?

>>29015336
Electricity prices have spiked. Also, EVs can power the house during the day and charge at night.

I like having a cuckbox phev as a second car to a more performant customized car. There is a certain freedom to having an NPC car.

>>29015437
PHEV is the opposite of freedom. It's the most convoluted ass cars ever to own. As a second car, you should be having a low range pure EV that you never need to service or care about. It just werks every time.

>>29015453
an e-CVT based PHEV has fewer moving parts than a 3+ speed manual auto.

>>29014785
>"a quarter of new car sales are electric vehicles or hybrids"
That means jack shit, since every car with a starter-generator, slightly larger battery, 48 V system, and all-electric AC compressor is classified as "mild hybrid".

They should stop counting hybrids, and only use pure electric figures.

>>29014785
Worldwide implications when batteries start degrading to the point of needing full replacement?

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>>29014889
>Maybe young people who aren't gear heads will become interested in cars again?
Me doing research trying to model all the guts of a Winston cup car and getting model cars to help that effort was the pipeline that sent me down this path.

>>29014785
>chicom shill thread
This board is a ghost town, who the fuck are you trying to convince?

>>29014939
I'm expecting a shift towards hydrogen eventually because of this. Data centres should be the number one priority for power in general, cars are so much less important

>>29015567
>Data centres should be the number one priority for power in general
Why?

>>29015568
It's the most important thing these days. AI is how we become a post scarcity world

>>29015583
AI is not going to food on your plate. A functional infrastructure does.

>>29015588
AI will build those infrastructure. And eventually AI powered robots will pollinate and harvest for us

>>29015591
Robots will never be cheaper than Latin American indentured servants. As long as there are humans willing to suffer a lifetime of labor just to be able to survive, there will always be greedy rich guys capitalizing on that
For example we invented robots that can milk cows completely autonomously in the 80s. And over 90% of dairy farms still use 3 guys all named Raul working 12 hour shifts and live in a run down trailer house 100ft from where the cows shit

>>29015567
Battery electric cars make power grids better and more reliable. Data centers need electric cars.

>>29015591
Our harvest is doing fine as is. This AI is always about replacing shit that already works fine with shit that might not work and also demands a billion times more energy.

>>29015659
We are in an energy crisis at the moment. Energy needs to get away from consumer hands back to corporations that run data centres

>>29014785
The gas prices won't go down even when the market is going to 75% is it?

>>29014785
Just imagine it, niggers not in nissans kias and hyundays anymore but now in battery cars and all the batteries are dead

>>29015672
Not in California, thanks to EVs.

>>29015672
The data centers can get a lot of energy in the form of niggers, junkies, and nigger junkies looting them

>>29015672
That is 100% false. There is no power plant shortage. We decomission tons of power plants every year.

>>29015672
even in commiefornia at $0.22/kwh its still about $20 to fill a tesla model 3. average price is about $0.10/kwh so it'd cost $10 to fill up. But yeah keep being concerned while you spend $100 at the pump lmao

>>29015687
California is definitely in an energy crisis. It pays like 28 cents per kwh. They produce less electricity now than they did twenty years ago.

>>29015792
California is the farthest from an energy crisis. They have tons of abundant energy to the point where wholesale prices go into the negatives. The price of natural gas has collapsed to be some of the lowest in the nation. It used to import tons of electricity but it's now nearly an electricity exporter.

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>>29015798
If it wasn't a net importer they wouldn't be paying 35 cents a kwh. You haven't a clue what you are talking about.

>>29015792
that's still only $25 to fill up a large EV you tarded nigger

>>29015807
Moving the goalposts.

>>29015811
how is it moving the goalposts when the core argument is that you believe driving an EV will become less economical than driving a gas car. Electricity could go to $1/kwh and it'd still be cheaper. You're one retarded faggot

>>29015801
>2019
Thats 7 years ago. Not relevant now.

>>29015815
>Electricity could go to $1/kwh and it'd still be cheaper.
Nah I calculated this once and I think the break even point is like 0,5-06$/kWh

>>29015816
If Cali was a net exporter they wouldn't pay exorbitant rates for their electricity now would they?

>>29015781
>dur hur I can only compare Current Year vehicles sitting on the dealer lot RIGHT NOW.
I built my Bronco and it has a fresh engine, transmission, transfer case, diffs, brakes, bearings, hoses....
Even factoring in the cost of the Bronco and the restore, I can drive 120k miles at 3 bucks a gallon before I get to the price of an entry trim level Model 3.


Enjoy your $659 a month car payment and $338 a month insurance to "save" $150 a month on fuel.
Fucking retard.
I doubt you even have a car.

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>>29015818
It's $0.23 now to fill up your car.

>>29015826
you dont have to buy a brand new EV, you can buy a tesla in decent condition for 20k. in 5-10 years the market will be flooded with electric shitboxes that still have some range due to the quality of newer batteries.

>>29015826
Car insurance is less than $200 a month. And car payments and insurance have to be paid on every car, regardless of fuel.

>>29015829
I'm not contesting that, I'm contesting the claim that $1/kWh is still cheaper than petrol which it isn't.

>>29015831
I can buy a camry in exceptional condition for $5k
>>29015832
My Bronco is less than $50 a month for insurance.

Im not against EVs.
The concept is sound.
The implementation was conducted poorly.
The largest target audience should have been apartment dwellers who rarely travel more than 40 miles in a day.
But there is little to no infrastructure to support their charging at home.
>lol at "loitering fees" at charging stations.
Its pyramid scheme like subscription services to access additional options on your car.
You pay for the car then continue to pay the same company to use it and charge it.

>>29015860
so your biggest problem is that its a new technology and there hasn't been 30 years of used inventory to bring down prices yet.

>>29015860
>You pay for the car then continue to pay the same company to use it and charge it.
huh?
I guess if you exclusively use tesla chargers and drive a tesla, but not every ev is a tesla and not every charger is a supercharger
>I can buy a camry in exceptional condition for $5k
again, huh?
maybe with 150k miles
that camry will also require a comparably massive amount of maintenance costs where an EV would only require tires as regular maintenance

>>29015893
I drive for a living. My company pays me by the mile to use my own vehicle.
Ive gone through 5 camrys.
I buy them used at about 90k miles and drive them until the engine gets low compression (350k-400k miles).
Then I get another camry.
I had one that killed a starter. Another killed an alternator. A couple I changed struts on.
Besides oil, tires and brakes (a lot of tires) there is no "maintenance" issues.
Do you even own a car?

>>29014785
Can we separate the EV and HEV stats so they don't get bundled together? Totally different consumer profiles buy these.

>>29015906
>Besides oil, tires and brakes
>350k-400k miles
no belts? no ATF? no plugs or wires, air filters?
yeah
besides all the regular maintenance that you spend money on that you wouldn't have to add to the cost of an EV
that's the fuckin point, you don't have to even consider regular maintence beyond tires with an EV, no fluids, no brakes, no filters

>>29015860
EVs are implemented great. You can plug them into any wall outlet to charge them. Where do you live where there is no electricity?

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>>29015994

>>29015987
You’re supposed to change the coolant, drive unit oil, and oil filter in EVs every 50-100k.

>>29015987
No belts
No atf
Ive changed plugs on one
There are no wires because its coilpack.
A few air filters but those are hardly worth mentioning.

>>29015996
There's no electricity there? I stayed at a hotel in the middle of buttfuck nowhere and they let me use a wall outlet to charge my car.

>>29016017
Where's the wall outlets in that parking lot?
Do you think people are going to run an extension cord from their 3rd floor apartment to the middle of the parking lot?
Should there be an outlet at each of those 70+ parking stalls?
Who pays for the electricity used?

>>29016000
Oh ya, the one i changed plugs on didnt make a difference. It was low compression at 380k miles.

>>29015987
Forgot I did the valve cover gasket on one.
Didnt think of it because it was so piss easy. I spent more time cleaning the valve cover than replacing the gasket.
In my defense its been a couple decades with 5 camrys and well over a million miles.
Im sure theres other minor things im forgetting.

But ive never been stranded or towed in any if the camrys. Even the starter and alternator issues werent hard failures and I just changed them at home at the end of the day.
Ive used other vehicles but settled on camrys because theyre so reliable.

EV cars just cant be beat when it comes to the daily commute. Most people use cars only for that. Anyone here claiming that EVs wont take off is pants on head retarded or paid gulf states shill.

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What's going to happen when we have millions more of these cars that need charging and we can barely keep up now with what we have?

>>29016072
Well electricity usage is going down so I guess it will go down even more.

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>>29014785
imagine planning all your trips around charging stations and hoping, no praying that some gipsy didnt cut off the cord.
imagine charging an hour just to hopefully reach the next station.
meanwhile it takes 1 minute to fully fuel up my mustang dark horse

>>29016077
>Well electricity usage is going down
because the industry is being destroyed. soon no one will need any cars anymore because they will be unemployed

>>29016084
OK cool, but we're decommisioning dozens of power plants per year so there is zero risk of electricity shortage.

>>29015305
I absolutely must produce biofuels and keep my transport independence

>>29015891
His problem is that it's a subscription, it doesn't provide the independence of a vehicle that you can wrench on with aftermarket parts, fuel up anywhere and carry spare fuel for.

>>29016063
If you really have a car with 400k miles that never needed any maintenance at all beyond a single set of spark plugs and one single gasket, then congratulations on your literally one in a trillion magic car. But please at least tell us you have enough common sense and basic knowledge to understand that this is not a representative ownership experience for most people

>>29016134
thats not a problem with EVs you can plug it into any 120v home outlet if you wanted to.

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>>29016173
Ive blown SBCs, T5s, 9"s, 4L60s, C6s etc etc with 150k miles.
Thats kind of my point here.
Its normal for a camry to hit 300k miles and still be driving with the original drivetrain. Its not just a meme, its reality.
Ive used other vehicles for work but settled on camrys because theyre so damn reliable.
Change the oil every 5k miles and they just keep going


Ignore the tape, thats just seat belt light that keeps flashing because the.wire broke under the seat and its a nightmare to get to.

>>29016278
You know there are millions of high mileage Chevy Expresses running around with their original drivetrains right? These vans see much more abuse than a Camry will ever see.

>>29016278
>Its normal for a camry to hit 300k miles and still be driving with the original drivetrain
There's a huge difference between "original drivetrain" and "never had to ever replace a single hose, gasket, wire, filter, bushing, etc"

>>29016283
>Expresses
>4L60E
>150k+ miles

kinda proving >>29016278 right, a 4L60 with 150k+ miles becomes a timebomb

add priuses to that list too, as long as its not a 3rd gen with the headgasket issues (egr clogs up and makes them run too hot over time)

>>29016292
Who said anything about being "100% factory!!" ?
Someone said "massive amount of maintenance" and I simply provided context of how minimal maintenance is.
I never claimed it was nonexistent.
Even if i changed starter, alternator, valve cover gasket and struts on the same camry thats still basically nothing for 350k+ miles.

I have a mustang (had it for over a quarter century). Its been through mamy renditions of itself.
Im on 2nd diff, 3rd transmission and 4th engine. And it hasnt even hit 200k miles.

>>29016322
>Who said anything about being "100% factory!!" ?
Uh... You?
>>29015906
>Besides oil, tires and brakes (a lot of tires) there is no "maintenance" issues.
Saying there's no maintenance besides oil tires and brakes implies that everything besides oil tires and brakes is original.

>>29016344
>literally mentioned an alternator and starter in the sentence before the one you quoted.

Seriously, do you own a car?
Starters, alternators and batteries are consumables like tires and brakes.
If thats "massive maintenance" then you don't belong on this board, /n/ is that way>>>>>>>

>>29014785
>Cultural implications for when EVs hit 50% marketshare?

With all the new electricity demand from the data centers they're building? Its not happening we don't have the electricity for it.

>>29016446
Thats a feature not a flaw.
The entire point is to reduce mobility of the commoner.

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>>29016424
Oh okay I get it now

>>29014785
Population collapse due to over 50% rate of homosexuality

>>29016066
>claiming that EVs wont take off is pants on head retarded
They already have: people who want them own them. Claiming that they'll completely eclipse real vehicles (without even more government manipulation than already exists) is retarded.

>>29016583
hispanic coded post

>>29015996
Those gaynigger "green belts" next to the blocks (who happen to look like shit) could easily be deleted, and slow charge points installed in their place.
For that matter, that shitty manicured micro-lawn (which costs a fortune to maintain) in the middle could be baleeted and replaced with charging ports as well. If they were *really* hardcore, they could install a solar awning over the central parking spots (in addition to the charging points), for both shade and electricity.

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>>29014889
>And without the hassle of old engine maintenance.
Hope you zoomers are good with electronics, because the manufacturers definitely aren't going to make things any easier to repair. At least with an petrol/diesel engine, they all function somewhat the same. With EVs, you're restricted to what the individual manufacturer found to be the best way to construct a circuit board.

>>29016596
shill

>>29014889
you think evs dont need maintenance? lol. lmao even.

>>29014889
You have a lithium recycling plant in your garage?

>>29015607
>And over 90% of dairy farms still use 3 guys all named Raul working 12 hour shifts and live in a run down trailer house 100ft from where the cows shit
Hilariously, all the retarded techbros who pushed AI found this out the hard way. The net is full of analysis articles mentioning how companies discovered 1 AI is much more expensive than 3 Vijay Chandraguptas.

>>29015687
>Not in California, thanks to EVs.


Bullshit.

>>29016700
I think that because every time you say that they do, I ask you what the maintenance schedule for an EV is, and you can never come up with one, so I have no reason to not think they don't

>>29016750
just use google

>>29016761
I did. Guess what. It says they don't need maintenance.

>>29015330
>enthusiast
>is slower
make it make sense

>>29016750
Dude.
An EV is still a car.
Look at the maintemance schedule of ANY car. The majority of it is "lube ball joints" or "check brake pads".
EVs still have CV joints and transmissions.
The Tesla maintenance schedule even has "battery coolant replacement" at 50k miles just like the coolant schedule on an ICE vehicle.

>>29016776
>The Tesla maintenance schedule even has "battery coolant replacement" at 50k miles
No it doesn't. Why don't you try using Google for once

>>29016776
you're full of shit

lubing ball joints and checking brake pads is easy, cheap, and basically never results in needing to scrap the car.
the real problems are when your timing chain guides fail, you spin bearings bc of oil starvation, or the chain skips a few teeth and now your pistons and valves are having some unscheduled sexy time.
or when your turbo dies and its buried between the engine and the firewall, so now the tranny has to come out just to even get at the thing.

sure, EVs aren't literally maintenance free, but they *are* free of basically all the show stopping ice failures.
unless you get spectacularly unlucky and have a motor or battery grenade itself from some manufacturing defect (which usually happens inside warranty), you *can* realistically expect an EV drivetrain to do several hundred thousand miles with basically no serious maintenance

yeah, you'll still do brake pads and rotors eventually (and even those last way longer thanks to regen), suspension parts wear out just like on any other car, you'll need the occasional coolant flush, AC service, and all the other peripheral stuff. but that's all easy, cheap, and 100% DIYable if you wanna save money. a jack, some stands, a decent set of wrenches, and maybe a press if you really wanna pinch pennies instead of buying complete assemblies, and you're good.

even the most reliable ICEs don't come close to being this light on maintenance, let alone modern direct-injected, turbocharged, EGRed stuff. and let alone anything making the kind of power you get from a midrange EV.

bc yeah, let's not forget that an AWD Model 3 isn't just damn near maintenance-free, it's also making around 450 hp. that's modern NA V8 territory, or at least a turbo 6 with DOHC and vvt and all the accoutrements.
and those aren't your grandpappy's 170 hp camry v6 that could realistically hit 300k miles on oil changes, spark plugs, and the occasional belt when u remember to do it

>>29016763
oh wow. a car that just drives forever and never needs any maintenance. I guess it's magic. thanks elon mus. dont we just fucking love science?

>>29014790
based and redpilled fentenjoyer

>>29016826
Lol.
Do you get paid overtime for working on the weekend or is it still just 12 cents a post?
>he thinks that engines are the only failure point in a car.
>ya there's still all the vehicle maintenance b-b-but valves and timing chains!!!

You're talking about issues that MIGHT arise a quarter million miles down the road. It takes the average person 2 decades to hit that many miles.
Theres no maintenance schedule that says "check timing chain every 6,000 miles or 6 months".
Meanwhile a tesla still has a transmission and differential and suspension and steering and cooling while also having 10 additional computers.

>oh you want to go to work? Nope sorry. You have to wait 30 minutes for this software update to fix a glitch in the steering system.

>>29016858
That's not how updates work. You choose when to push them. It lets you know an update is available and you can push it or schedule it.
By the way if you're really so confident that EVs need as much maintenance as you keep saying they do, then it shouldn't be hard to just say what maintenance it is. "It's got a transmission and differential and steering!" Okay so what is the recommended service intervals for those parts?

>>29014785
>when EVs hit 50% marketshare?

look up s curve retard

plus this is literally just china

>>29016915
China is part of the world, retard.

>>29016910
>what is the recommended service intervals for those parts?
The same as every other vehicle.
The term.youre looking for is "Legacy Design".
Teslas arent mag-lev or some sci-fi bullshit.
They have rubber or deltron bushings just like every other car on earth.
The CV joint is 2 cradles and a bunch of balls with grease packed in between. Just like every other car on earth that uses CV joints.

>>29016910
Nope.
Safety updates will cause a failure to start mode until it completes the update.

>>29016934
>The same as every other vehicle
No it isn't. Some of the suspension components, sure. But if you're going to call out the entire drivetrain then you can't retreat to the suspension when called out on it.

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>>29016944
Its just a car dude.
It has door hinges.
The window glass moves up and down in tracks, driven by a motor with gears.
Theres a rubber seal between the chassis and doors.
Seat belt goes click.

>>29017049
This argument doesn't work. A Camry and a L322 are both "just a car dude".
Would you say that they're equally reliable, equally serviceable, equally as expensive to maintain, etc?

>>29014785
Maybe we'll see an EV grand tourer that's worth a damn.

>>29017133
Now youre being disingenuous.
If you have to resort to whataboutism because your argument has fallen apart then you lost.
Do you go into the /miata general/ and post corvette track times?

A camry and a model 3 are in the same class which makes them viable for comparison.
As you can see in the picture I posted a model 3 has multi-link suspension made out of earthly alloys and multiple pivot points with bushings. As far as im aware, neither Musk nor Tesla hold patents for bushing materials with extended longevity over other manufacturers.
So what would make a model 3 suspension last longer than a camry?

>>29017416
you just can't get over the suspension can you.
why do you even keep bringing up things like the transmission and cooling when every time you get pressured on them you just lump it all in with the suspension bushings. if you want to change your position to agree with me that an EV requires zero, or effectively zero, regularly scheduled maintenance on the drivetrain then we can both agree that yes obviously they will still require new bushings once every 10 years, and that the ownership experience overall is significantly easier and more worryfree than a gas car.

>>29017416
>A camry and a model 3 are in the same class which makes them viable for comparison
Oh okay so it's not fair to compare them because they're different classes. So let's compare the Land Rover with a same year Land Cruiser. Do these two cars require the same amount of maintenance?

>>29015801
>Ohio is no.2
Why?

>>29014785
>less demand for gas, cheaper fuel
>less demand for shitty econo 3-4 cylinders engines, as people who buy those are the first to switch to EVs
>less road noise, so I can hear muh V8 better
>less pollution, so no more smog checks (already happened in my state :^)
sounds good to me.

>>29014799
>used EVs

Used EV car batteries can't be "fixed" and they're 90% of the car.

>>29017749
I dont care if it has 200K miles on used EV. If it runs and drives with 200mile range for $5K, i''ll take it.

You can suck your own cock.

>>29016692
I don't know about other mfgs, but afaik you can part swap new Model 3s with ones from a decade ago.

If you get this shit right, then basically you can keep making the same shit forever.

>>29016692
Plenty of people have taken used Tesla motors, batteries, chassis and built entire new ones or transplanted to different cars entirely. What are you talking about

>>29017749
>Used EV car batteries can't be "fixed" and they're 90% of the car.
Genuine electric car (not hybrid) batteries can be repaired, by swapping out modules/cells (depending on design).
Admittedly, some batteries are more repairable than others:
>"POUCH cells are the most prone to failure and are often irreparable. The easiest to repair and longest-lasting cells are CYLINDRICAL cells, followed by PRISMATIC cells as the most reliable."

>>29015325
Gen Z here. Most of our generation legitimately want EVs or hybrids if they're not outright car enthusiasts.
Even those of us who DID grow up with a lot of mechanical knowledge from our parents.
It's going to be analogous to boat ownership. You'll only have an ICEV if you're absolutely into it.

>>29016776
>The majority of it is "lube ball joints" or "check brake pads".
Let's see, in the past 2 years, my ICEV has had the following issues not in EVs:
>clutch position sensor broke
>oil pan leaking
>thermostat/temperature sensor failure
>starter failed
>post catalyst exhaust leak

With two of these issues causing it to become literally un drivable

>>29017931
it's true. gen z is the gayest generation

>>29017870
>but afaik you can part swap new Model 3s with ones from a decade ago.
this is how cars should be all the time. there is a lot of marketing around cars that uses emotion and status signaling to make people gloss over that it is a utilitarian depreciating asset.

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>>29017431
How retarded are you?
>an EV transmission and cooling system doesnt need servicing but an ICE transmission and cooling system does.
Tesla service manual says change coolant every 50k miles. Same as a camry.
The transmissions are more of a hassle than a contemporary ICE setup.

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>>29017780
>with 200mile range for $5K, i''ll take it

wow what a deal!

a $3k ICE car gets 500 miles of range

>>29017995
I'm not spending $2K a year on gas for the $3K car, let alone any free ice car. Ice cars are just so expensive to operate its worthless to me

>>29017988
>Tesla service manual says change coolant every 50k miles
No it doesn't and you know it doesn't. If it did, you would have screenshotted the manual itself and not some AI summary with the source of the claim being reddit

>>29018005
>I'm not spending $2K a year on gas for the $3K car

another EV cuck pretending his Ev operates in vacuum, where zero real life expenses and wear count, because its the only way he can beat ICE

>>29018008
Shut the fuck up. I'm not drinking the Iranian cum. You can drink those

>>29016776
The first maintenance item outside of tire rotations or wiper blade replacements for my EV is a coolant change at 150k miles. The brake rotors and pads get used less than 10% of the time. They literally last forever.

>>29016776
>EVs still have transmissions.

literally wrong lol

>>29018018
They do technically. They still need a way to "transmit" power from the motor to the wheel. They just use a single speed transmission because attaching a 20k rpm directly to the wheel wouldn't end well

>>29018013
>Shut the fuck up. I'm not drinking the Iranian cum.

lmao once again proving my point. geo political crisis doesn't affect you when you have to charge a 1500 pound battery

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>>29018018
Hahahahaha
Holy shit.
These are the people you're arguing with.
They have no fucking.clue what theyre talking about.

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>>29018042
>These are the people you're arguing with.

they have an iq of 90 and think toy RC car logic applies to a 5000 pound vehicle

don't forget to change your EVs oil filter!

>>29018042
>>29018044
That guy is by himself. Those of us who actually know what we're talking about know that EVs have transmissions, the have coolant, they have oil etc. but unlike you we also know that they're sealed units with lifetime fluids that under normal operating conditions will never need to be changed. Maybe once in a lifetime on incredibly high mileage cars. This is compared to gas cars that regularly need a myriad of fluid changes very regularly in addition to a bunch of other wear items like belts and hoses and gaskets.

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>>29018051
>to a bunch of other wear items like belts and hoses and gaskets.


lmao, a cooling hose on a regular car is a "wear item"

once again, the magical EV, is in a vacuum of timelessness, where its trillion little cooling hoses are not bound by physics or heat cycling

>>29018064
Sometimes with people like you it's hard to tell if you're actually uneducated or just pretending to be retarded. And it's a shame because I wouldn't mind educating you but you're so resilient to learning.
No one is saying "EVS LITERALLY NEVER NEED MAINTENANCE AND NOTHING ON THEM CAN EVER BREAK THEY'RE TRULY MAGICAL". They just require less maintenance by at least an order of magnitude. They have hoses, yes. They have fluid, yes. No one is saying they don't. But they're designed in a way that that fluid and those hoses will never need servicing under normal conditions. Maybe after 20 years they might start to wear and crack but modern EVs aren't old enough to know yet. But there's no shortage of teslas out there with over 200k miles and never needed new hoses.

>>29017995
Why would you want an extra 300 miles of range if you can refuel it at home?

>>29018069
In fairness, Teslas have two notable design flaws, one of which is fixable if caught early, the other cannot be fixed before the specific part fails (can only apply post-failure repair, not preventative replacement).
Look up "The Critical Role of Resealing" and "Tesla’s 100kWh – Achilles’ Heel Uncovered" on the EV Clinic blog.

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>>29018069
>. Maybe after 20 years they might start to wear and crack but modern EVs aren't old enough to know yet.


You're too stupid to realize there are shops operating on EVs NOW that can tell you they're 10x more complex and expensive to fix than regular cars.

Your entire understanding of these vehicles stems from and ends at a nebulous hypothetical concept

EVs suck balls. Just pour the money into synthetic eco friendly fuel.

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>>29018128
>Why would you want an extra 300 miles of range if you can refuel it at home?

the idea of traveling in your car more than 5 miles away from home is a foreign concept to the EV cuck

lmao truly the next generation of automobile

>>29018182
More than 5 miles? I'm not an expert on math, but I think a 200 mile range car can travel for 6 miles.

>>29018174
No such thing. Even with perfectly clean fuel, combustion is imperfect so the exhaust will emit unburnt chemicals. And then the CO is poisonous.

>>29016613
lmao yeah let's pave over all the plants
>a fortune to maintain
How much do you think a tiny patch of grass costs to maintain per month? Come on, you know how expensive it is so tell us. One 10'x20' square of grass.

>>29016737
They don't milk the cows, they just run the machines that milk the cows.
We went from needing one person per ~50 cows milked in the early 1900s to one person per 5000 cows milked in the early 2000s and they still hire three Mexicans to do it instead of three Americans.
This is democracy manifest.

>>29018021
Single speed transmissions are probably a bit more reliable than multi speed ones, but they're transmissions nonetheless.

>>29018069
What a fucking moron.
>this manufacturer has the technology to make maintenance free cooling systems but they only apply that technology to their EVs.

>>29014785
Tesla won