Except for a few models like the G-Wagon or the Ineos Grenadier, almost all of their SUVs are unibodies. You'd think Land Rover would use truck frames, but even they have switched entirely to unibodies.
>>29031834muh euro ncap safety rating
>>29031839>Truck-frame (body-on-frame) SUVs generally struggle more to achieve top scores under Euro NCAP's strict testing protocols compared to unibody SUVs>Unibody cars use crumple zones to absorb energy. Truck frames are rigid steel beams designed to haul heavy loads, which do not deform as easily>In head-on collisions, the rigid frame transfers an immense amount of crash energy into the opposing vehicle. Euro NCAP penalizes vehicles that behave aggressively toward crash partners in their vehicle compatibility assessmentsWhy are they so gay?
What's the advantage of a frame in an off-road vehicle? It's heavier and more rigid, both things you don't want.
>>29031834Body-on-frame SUVs are heavier ,have lower fuel economy ,stiffer ride quality and clunky handling.They are not suitable for driving and parking in European cities.
Land Rover is Indian not European
>>29031852European manufacturers actually pioneered and exclusively built body-on-frame SUVs and off-roaders for decades before gay regulations.
>>29031849You are dumb. There is a reason military vehicles still use frames
>>29031864You don't know?
>>29031904Explain please
Because it wouldn't be an SUV.
>>29031849>>29031852lolwut, since when did body on frame have more stiffness than unibody
>>29031849 upgrades and repairs are easier, large scale changes like a solid axle swap or full exo cage are possible, going over crazy stuff doesn't bend the entire vehicle out of shapeso there's something to weld to besides sheet metal
>>29031849>It's heavier and more rigid, both things you don't want.#1)>heavierFire department had a brush truck that got stuck on a fire road in the hills. Tow truck came to pull it out. They decided to drain the tank to make it easier. Without the extra weight of the water down low the center of gravity shifted and it rolled down the hillside. Weight balance is extremely important offroad.Having a unibody structure with additional weight higher up is detrimental to CG compared to a frame down low.#2)>rigidA unibody chassis doesnt "flex".A BOF may or may not (pickup vs bronco is a good example. Same architecture but a single piece body vs cab/bed. A pickup will twist the frame between cab/bed wheras a bronco will not).You want flex in the suspension, not in the body.
>>29031961A true suv is built on a truck frame. If it's unibody it's only a crossover. How can you be on this board and not understand that?
If Japan can make body on frame luxury SUVs like Lexus why can't European companies?
>>29032930They most definitely can, they just don't.
For what reason? What's the intended purpose? To fuck your whore of a mother you dumb americunt? There's literally no use of those shitters in the city. Try to navigate Rome in such a big piece of shit.
>>29031834What do you mean by trucks?>Toyota landcruiser exists >Toyota hilux exists >Mitsubishi triton exists >Mazda bt50 exists >Isuzu d max exists I could go on but the more I do the more your american brain will explode with envy.
>>29033206Stfu gay boy. Japan still makes body on frame SUVs. Europeans used to build exclusively on truck frames before gay regulations. Why do you faggots accept gay regulations so easily and never fight back. Gay eurofaggots want to kill V8 and replace it with 1L 4 cylinder soulless fwd hybrid trash>We europoors are more sophisticated and civilized>V8 is for cavemen and uncivilized americansI can't stand gay eurofaggots with a superiority complex. Go post on r/fuckcars gay boy
>>29033238Yes, yes we are more civilized because we have better infrastructure and cities aren't built around using cars. A fucking Yaris does the job. Need to carry stuff on a daily basis? Station wagon. I never seen anyone in europe that had a truck and were actually carrying stuff in their bed, not even once. Most useless pieces of shit you can buy, SUVs come in second with ,again, no use for the city. There are people out there that drive a SUV in the fucking city and they never leave the city with it. There is literally no use case for large automobiles for most of the population yet people buy it for "status". I have bikes more expensive than your fucking truck, retard faggot. We don't need them.
>>29033249Sir reddit is 2 tabs to the left
>>29033221They are not European....
>>29033251>posting an overused piece of shit phrase instead of an argumentTypical.
I urge my American friends to not listen to my fellow "europeans" when they seethe about American SUVs.While driving something like an F-150 or a RAM is more inconvenient than driving a Fiat 500, people heavily blow it out of proportion. 80% of Europeans do not live in ancient Roman cities and the people who can actually afford such cars live in suburbs and work at industrial parks, so for 99% of their daily driving their commute would be frictionless.The lack of domestic SUVs is probably explained by the fact in Europe commercial vehicles are vans.The only real SUVs in Europe were derived from military vehicles while in the US they evolved from work trucks/Jeeps.Japanese SUVs are a result of catering to the third world market.Besides Land Rover and G-wagon, Europe just went straight into cuckovers with shit like XC90 and X5
>>29033258They used to make body on frame SUVs before. They don't anymore because of ncap safety rating. It's not because people collectively decided to change their mindset suddenly and stop buying body on frame SUVs. So there is no argument.....
>>29033268>It's not because people collectively decided to change their mindset suddenly and stop buying body on frame SUVsThey did though. They used to buy truck based body on frame SUVs because that's all there was. Then as someone realized they could just apply the same unibody construction methods to an SUV and get essentially a very big car, everyone started buying those because they were better. When given the choice, most consumers choose the unibody ones. If it was truly a safety thing then no body on frame SUVs would exist anymore. But they do and they're just not as popular.
>>29033275Dude if they got rid of the law, they would all go back to body on frame lol. >Then as someone realized they could just apply the same unibody construction methods to an SUV They realized that long before being forced to build them though and didn't build any.....I wonder why
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>>29033221>Japanese >Japanese>Japanese>Japanese>JapaneseAlso stop putting car faces on trucks. It looks fucking retarded.
>>29032340>Sports Utility Vehicle>Sports>Ladder Frame>Sports
>>29033282If people have choice between an Isuzu Trooper and an X5, they will choose the BMW.
>>29033282They didn't build them because SUVs weren't popular. SUVs weren't popular because there were too many downsides to their body on frame construction. As soon as BMW and Toyota showed that you could apply commuter car engineering into an SUV shaped body then they immediately became popular. Like literally overnight.
because body on frame is a scam only room temp mutts fall for it
>>29031905Frames flex and they can do so without splitting or breaking. Unibody designs aren't meant to flex, if they do so it's either a crumple zone or it distorts the overall vehicle's structural integrity and transfers damage to the entire thing. Plopping a body onto a frame means you have two independent pieces that don't negatively impart forces onto one another. It's like living with your retarded step-brother except you keep him in the attic and the door is dead-bolted shut. Together, but separate. There ARE some exceptions to the BOF rule, such as the XJ which makes a very good offroader.
>>29035090rent free lmaotake your (You), carlet
>>29035104High iq
>>29035104Wasn't the XJ kinda "semi body on frame" where the frame was embedded into the body, unlike in a regular BoF car or unibody.
>>29033249>we didnt build our cities properly so I live in a building and ride a bus
>>29031852>They are not suitable for driving and parking in European cities
>>29034855Reminder that touge fags arent true enthusiasts.They think a single aspect of automotive life is all that matters.
>>29033275>because they were betterLol.Found the basement dweller that likes the ride quality in the back seat of his mom's highlander when they go ro walmart.
>>29035802Jimny is the opposite of an SUV.
>>29035624>we didnt build our cities properlythey built them several thousand years prior to the invention of the automobile>so I live in a buildingmost people live in buildings
>>29031844>why can't I butcher the goyi- I mean guarantee the safety of my wife's kids???Sociopathic zogcattle.
>>29033267>"europeans"That anon proudly announced he was ROMAN. WHAT ARE YOU FAGGOT? Tell us a country, don't hide behind "european" you slav Untermensch. Which. Country.
>>29035909It's a Class J vehicle and a purebred SUV, all those 2wd unibody cars larping as SUV's are actually crossovers (CUV's).
>>29035613Esoteric knowledge anon, yes you are correct. They used a hybrid uniframe design that combined unibody upper elements with more BoF rails for the base structure. It makes XJs very light relative to their strength, and since they're so compact they make a great offroader with good balance of power, durability, repairability, and customization.
>>29035818What do you think most people who buy crossovers buy them for? Yes the ride quality being better is an important consideration for most people.
>>29031834They are cucked to death by regulations that body on frame vehicles can't meet.
>>29031849Body on frame is more tolerant to being flexed, much easier to modify with different suspension, significantly more forgiving to be drug over rocks, a solid point for all powertrain parts to be mounted to.
>>29036202It's a pure utility vehicle. There's nothing sport in it.
