https://youtu.be/dkwQaifTIoI?si=RxnsF2v_xufDtcpq
>>29032027Too expensiveToo uglyToo cucked by regulationsToo time consuming to maintainBut mostly to expensive for a younger generation that can barely afford rent as is.
>>29032032its mostly the first pointpeople are mad cos poorthats why they cope by blaming modern tech and designs. surely thats why dont buy new cars lmao
>>29032039Yeah most of his talking points are bullshit when we all know the real reason which is price.I'll actually develop my opinions. Cars aren't as vital to young people lives as for previous generations. We've replaced so much of our lives with digital apps. We talk digitally, socialize digitally, are productive digitally, even dating digitally. Whereas 30 years ago, you couldn't do any of those things without going to a place. Also families are shrinking and some times not even happening. The creation of families is what has driven car purchases in the past. Young people don't care, want or can't have families.The video talks a lot about muh tablets, muh technology but honestly most normalfags love that shit. They want their cars to have the same features as their phones. It's not a negative. When petrol heads make these videos, they don't realize car ownership has never been about the smell of gas or the sound of the engine. It's always been about having a function in one's life. I'm reminded of that scene from Mrs Robinson where the lead character drives across the country to find the love of his life. That's not even a plausible scenario today. Technology has made that type of voyage unneccessary.
>>29032039>modern techmeans that you cant diy/fix and the labor/parts went up when they inevitably break as a side effectnew cars are fucking gay desu average labor rate at dealers here is $200-250/hr even shops arent far behind at $150/hr
>>29032049Most people were incapable of fixing mechanical issues too. This issue is something only people skilled with mechanical components complain about, for normalfags it hardly makes a difference if the error is mechanical or electrical. They're going to get robbed regardless.
>>29032061Used cars have always been better purchases than buying brand new. But I agree that the gap is wider today with modern cars just being endless migraine sessions of electronic safety.
>>29032059the bar is getting higher when stuff like hyundais have starters that require the engine to get dropped as a cradle and canbus/dealer tools require scantools to do brake jobs and any higher level diagi disagree, youtube + chatgpt made it so a lot of normies are comfortable wrenching on <2010s cars but the newer stuff is getting to the point its genuinely disposable and the normies that dont want to work on their shit find it easier to trade/junk the car in when the repairs cost more than the book value of the car (not helped by ridiculous labor rates which are a side product of cars getting more difficult/expensive to wrench on...if a repair now requires a lift and a lift cart to do a job and the job has you dropping the cradle the shop going to pass the cost onto you)
>>29032027No, just look at the hordes of zoomers filming cars.
>>29032027post covid cars are ugly and cucked
>>29032027I was thinking about buying a Corvette, but I'll stick with my old Mustang. Taffic is shit here and i can rarely go over 70 on the highway since there are so many people, so spending money on a better and faster car is basically pointless
I only like race cars.I only think about race cars, I only dream about racing events.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UiYgUj6Aghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWrn9tritO8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd0PfDtlEnE
>>29032061Because you're a poorfag. Your car is slow btw
>>29032039I would happily spend 50k on a sports car if it were better than my frs. The fact of the matter is there isn't. Even the new Gen brz/gr86 are gimped and neutered despite the extra hp. Companies need to stop making cars that work for everyone. A sports car should be good at one thing. Sport car racing. Thats literally it. And the price should dictate how good it is at that one thing. Too many cars try to be "everything" cars and end up being nothing cars. I get it, nobody would pay 50k for a car with no sound proofing and no carpets, but i would buy it.
I have carfluencer fatique
>>29032027I'd say since the car was invented most people weren't interested in cars the same way they don't care about buses or trains or planes, they're simply a device to transport you places. Or a status symbol
>>29032048I'm fine with having a small tablet in the car especially for a daily, I like carplay. The issue is when they replace the gauge cluster and other shit like volume knobs and climate controls and just glue a floating iPad to the dash
>>29032150>i would buy it>car company loses millions when no one else does but they still have an assembly line for a one-off cari mean...what you want exists. alfa 4c and lotus emira to a lesser extent. maybe a mclaren. all of which sold really poorly. i guess the closest new equivalent is a nd3 mx5. part of the problem is the people who have the money to buy a sports car overwhelmingly is 50+. i saw a article saying that now the 400z is selling well because its all geriatric boomers who owned 240zs and 300zxs wanting one https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/which-sold-more-last-year-the-supra-nissan-z-or-something-else/
>>29032155Still doesn't explain why the US just doesn't build any of that.
>>29032228You are poor and we are the new rich.
>>29032048>I'll actually develop my opinions. Cars aren't as vital to young people lives as for previous generationsThis is anecdotal but all the people I know under 35 all live <30 miles from their work. This limits where they can work(mostly retail shit and pharmacies) which limits their income which makes. Car impossible yo afford. They don't want a middle class job, they want whatever is quickest and easiest that allows them enough money to buy doordash and say exorbitant rent. It's madness and they look at me like I'm some sort of super human because I have a Car to get to a decent job(where boomers shit themselves in their desks rather than retire) and know how to save cash for more than thirty days.It's really depressing, because gen A/z are going to end up boomers 2.0 when shit really breaks
>>29032243<3 miles is what I meant
>>29032039>people are mad cos poorNo, not really, there are zero cars or trucks that excite me. Nothing being made today interests me at all. On the other hand there are about 20+ motorcycles that I want to try out.
Many people can’t afford new cars, and maintaining used cars is getting more and more expensive. Parts are drying up on pre-rolling-computer models, and I know I’m getting gouged by the shop, but there are some things I can’t wrench. New cars also suck. My local dealer has tried to dodge warranty work multiple times on the wife-mobile because they lose money on it. I had to apply considerable arm-twisting to get it done, then they cross-threaded the oil plug, permanently damaging the threads causing a major oil leak. They denied doing it, but graciously offered to replace the pan for only $1000. I can’t even replace the battery on her car without the appropriate scantool, it has to be “paired” to the car.My boomer parents have had their brand new Toyota in for warranty work multiple times and it’s barely a year old. New cars are expensive and shit at the same time. What a time to be alive!
yeah too much shit is reliant on specialized diagnostic software to even access, the whole point of obd is defeated when you need a subscription to use a single purpose computer you already bought just to reset a maintenance interval
Cars got technologified and are an appliance no different from a smart phone.Some might go as far to say that modern cars are smartphones with wheels.The surveillance systems have reached such a point they do not inspire the driver.There of course are exceptions but overall it does not seem like things will get better.Worst case scenario>If you are an average person, your only option is carsharing or taxis>If the government deems that you "need" a car for your "business", you get to lease a van/truck/tractor>If you are rich, you can get a permit that lets you drive a 500k+ electric restomod 1000 miles a year
>>29032252this is it really, isn't it? The only two cars you can buy new from a dealership that interest me these days are the MX-5 and BRZ/86. One of those is a revised platform from now over a decade ago, and the other is a Miata. Attempts to create similarly-styled coupes by other manufacturers have thus far presented as disappointments, and now Honda's (temporarily?) killing off the Civic that's supposed to compete with them.
>>29032354I have yet to see someone complain about how the Elantra N drives other than the generic "its a hyundai its gookslop" slurs; and the WRX isn't terrible if you want a "do everything" single car that's good in the snow.
>>29032360ngl I looked at a WRX but I couldn't get past the giant TV screen in the center console. Subaru going all in on that "everyone wins with a big screen" bullshit or whatever the faggy slogan was was just pure ass cancer, and the WRX suffers for it heavily. Total garbage interior. Everything else was nice though.
>>29032369>too slow to dailyits like 250whp in a 3400lb carthe last gen sti was the same weight but +10whpthey run a 1/4 mile of high 13s-low 14s...its not a mirage eitherhttps://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a71934066/2026-subaru-wrx-drive/
>>29032361What compels then to do this? Make it half the size of this piece of shit like the one in the BRZ please.
Whites are poor and seethe at anything symbolizing Indian wealth.
>>29032384https://archived.moe/o/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F9d3MdqMFSmImindbroken by subaru>>29032382iirc the target wrx demographic is a gen-x/millenial with kids in america and a boomer in japan
>>29032027>everything is a SUV now>every SUV looks almost the same expect for hideous BMW which looks like now that somebody in design saw that one meme about front but didn't get fully.>expensive af>put more fucking screens that will work (I simply don't believe that analog speedometers are more expensive than fucking tablets)The only exception to that are (oh Irony) french with new Twingo and Renault 5 that are somehow nice looking city cars that makes sense. Not everyone needs to have SUV or massively consuming fuel car.
>>29032390>target demographic is gen x/millenial kids in america and a boomer in japan>boomer in japanOh fuck they're designing cars for fictional people now
Are DIY repairs really that hard for modern cars? I know every brand aside from Mazda has paywalled the access to diagnostics, which is sad.
>>29032387kek, tell me about wealthy jeet cars anon
>>29032027people are losing interest in cars starting at 50k usd.
>>29032387every race that was riding on a a donkey-cart during 1920s-1990s deserved to be riding on a donkey-cart during the golden age of the automobile and the only problem is that now I have to smell some of them waiting for the heat death of earth.
>>29032413It's not difficult but intentionally locked away to prevent DIY repairs to force you to go through their dealership technicians. Even things like oil changing is becoming locked away, it's absurd
>be big tech monekys>burn out >become the cheap marketing wing of car companies >drive everything under the sun >burn out>project your lack of interest for cars onto the world
>>29032027Nowadays mid tier luxury brands like bmw, mercedes and audi have become the louis vuitton of cars - products with poor quality:price ratio and fading status relevance, primarily bought (read: leased) by poor people to impress other poor people.
>>29032499VERY LOW IZZAT POST
>>29032503Sorry, I should've specified: poor AND brown people.
>>29032510>t. No crystal shift knob with LEDs
>>29032387Wtf is indian wealth? Owning a cow and eating it's poop and pee?
>>29032032You forgot>Have Camera that sending data to your insurance company
>>29032225Npc opinion. Especially because I know you use a phone mount.
>>29032499She's kind of right tho, I don't view BMW or Audi as a rich man's car anymore, it's now a performative status symbol piece of jewelry for half gay browns insecure of their dad's money
>>29032541I only have a phone mount in my 2nd E39 (my 3rd BMW) as it came with one; nothing is controlled by my phone in that cartouchscreens in cars are a dealbreaker like gay eps
>>29032360The wrx is literally too slow to daily and the elantra is a disposable piece of shit>>29032376Yeah thats slowhttps://youtu.be/9d3MdqMFSmI?t=638>tastelet fag lives where it snows>owns a gay miata and gay wrx because tastelet>wrx is TOO SLOW LOL>"I wouldn't [recommend a wrx]; they're just too fuckin LAGGY"Also the plastic fenders are ugly as fuckA 335i xdrive makes a much better do everything car if you have to drive in the snow
Pay top dollar for 3d printed creaky shit in my dash, yeah I will pass.
>>29032518the money your scumbag family sent back from the west
>>29032568It's sad how everything is 3d printed instead of injection molded now. We used to be a society
>>29032576Dumbass newfag, remember there's not a single car in germany that you can buy that will uplift you from your caste.
>>29032585im talking about jeets sending money back to india you stupid fucking faggot
>>29032184>Still doesn't explain why the US just doesn't build any of that.After the likes of Robert Moses and William Mulhollland the US has made it impossible for any one person to gather enough power to overcome all the variations of petty nimby's it would take to do any serious mega project.
>>29032589Ok
>>29032567why do you talk like a fag
>>29032027The sad reality is most purchases across all markets are driven by mouthbreathing vapid whores, so everything has devolved into being a shiny appliance that looks the part but lacks all substance or functionWe need more makers following the Hyundia N model of delivering affordable fun performance vehicles but instead we get bloated "utility" vehicles encumbered by regulations and endorsed by retards who can barely function without SSRIs and weed and alcohol let alone drive by the rules of the road
>>29032027People are too broke to buy cars that aren't as cheap and economical as possible. Just look at the average age of a new car buyer: 49 years old. Under 34s are less than 10% of new buyers and people 55-75 are like 60% of buyers. Everything is a grandma car because grandmas are the only people with enough money to sell to. Everyone else is too stressed financially.Same reason the Japanese made a bunch of sick cars and bikes in the 80s and 90s before shifting hard towards simple econoboxes. "making cars fun again" is something that is totally outside the power of car companies and buyers. It would require major economic and social changes that just aren't going to happen.>posting a "?si=" linkFuck you and your globalist spyware, you retarded fucking jackboot.
>>29032027the new 'lude catching strays in the thumbnail. It's overpriced and slow but It looks pretty good.>>29032176This is the problem. Everyone who isn't a NPC or filthy rich just buys used. Either from facebook marketplace like a man or just a preowned certified off the lot. NPCs buy/lease cars and they make cars for NPCs. >>29032360The Elantra N isn't a bad car but it's low on the list of fun new car options. Most people would rather have an WRX, GR86, Miata, Civic SI, GR yaris/corolla or a better used car.
>>29032354Honestly the worst kind of enthusiast. The industry could never survive catering to someone who won't buy anything that isn't a Miata. Why would anyone else ever try to make anything like a Miata when you'll just say "if I wanted something like a Miata I'd just get a Miata". Then they make something not at all like a Miata, and it's "I'm not buying that because it's not like a Miata".
>>29032969>Why would anyone else ever try to make anything like a Miata when you'll just say "if I wanted something like a Miata I'd just get a Miata"They dont try because its 1000000000x more profitable to make a crossover or suv. If more than a fraction of the market would actually go out and buy a new lightweight sports car (that doesn't cost more than 100k), there would be slightly more competition. Im pretty sure they still make cars like the miata and gr86 purely because someone at their respective companies still gives a fuck about making a fun car, regardless of the mediocre at best sales numbers.
The cars are too annoying to fix for the average consumer. Even replacing headlight bulbs requires pulling the front bumper off for some reason. The roads are designed by morons, set to unreasonably low speeds on highways and too high in the city center streets, everyone is a psychotic maniac on the road, insurance will rape you, maintenance will rape you, OEMs are stingy with parts, RockAuto is a russian roulette, the parts stores will rape you, the cops will rape you, cylinder deactivation is a fuck, used cars are way too fuckin expensive, new cars are overpriced hot garbage, Chargers and Challengers weigh too much, Holden and Ford Australia are dead, Toyota are dropping the ball in quality, emissions requirements are sabotaging cars, EVs are rubbish, hybrids will rape you down the line, gas is adulterated, the salt belt will destroy your car unless you seal the underbody up, too many uninsured motorists and your insurance will do fuckall even with coverage for them, mechanics charge way too much for basic stuff like brakes, rotors, calipers, bearings, even damn oil changes. It sucks. It fucking sucks.
>>29033029And people turn their noses at them for being "too slow" as if 0-60 times under 6 seconds wasn't impressive until very very recently. At this point they might as well start putting V6s or boxer 6s in them for the TikTok kids who have the money to get them.
>>29032969IDK man the market used to have space for more than 2 RWD coupes at a similar pricepoint is all I'm sayin.
>>29033042I hope they do so I can buy it 10 years later. 4 cylinder engines sound like shit which is my biggest gripe with these cars.>>29033077Well the world was a much better place 10+ years ago. Also safety and comfort are why new cars have to weigh at least 3000 pounds. The lightweight rwd purpose built sports car is an outdated concept that continues to exist off the goodwill of 2 companies due to legacy and a mild amount of success in the past.>>29033039Yeah we do live in hell. All you can do is be grateful you live an era where good cars still exist in a drivable state. I would not want to envision the future of cars past my lifetime.
>>29033077>the market used to have space for more than 2 RWD coupes at a similar pricepointNo it didn't. The Miata has existed nearly in a vacuum since 1989. The MR2 and BRZ are the only other cars that ever tried coexisting in that space and the MR2 died 20 years ago.
>>29032903>but It looks pretty goodNot even, it looks like a 2 door Prius because it copies the current Toyota front-end, instead of using current Honda design language. It literally has 0 redeeming qualities.
>>29033281I'd buy one, its like a modern Eunos Cosmo.
>>29032032>But mostly to expensive for a younger generation that can barely afford rent as is.Poor young people don't buy new cards dipshit
>>29033281>2 door Priusyeah and the new prius is a pretty good looking car too
>>29032027It's 100% money. Nobody has any fucking money in the Trumpconomy. Cars cost 40k OTD for a basic bitch econobox.>>29032360WRX needs premium fuel with pickup truck tier MPG. One of the highest insurance rates by model. They're cool cars, but pretty expensive to own.
>>29033889>Stonks go up every year>Real estate up every yearAssetlet
>>29033281>2 door prius>without the shit Toyota interiorI'd buy one if it came with a manual option
>>29033900No you wouldn't. It's still a fwd hybrid with only 200bhp for $45k.
>>29033901Yes I would. A modern successor to the CR-Z would be cool as fuck.
>>29033906Not for 45k it wouldn't be. Adjusted for inflation the crz would be about 28k and 35k optioned out. Not starting 45
>>29033922$45k is the average price of a new car, of any kind. I'd pay it for something cool and rare like a manual transmission hybrid.
>>29033927Whatever dude, live in your little fantasy world where you can virtue signal about shit you know will never happen. But Honda dropped manuals on all their cars except the Type R so it's really easy to say you would totally do something you know you'll never ever have to actually do.
>>29033936>But Honda dropped manuals on all their cars except the Type RThe 2026 Civic Si sitting in my driveway says otherwise.
>>29033927Elantra N is 35k and shits on everything
>>29033950The Civic Si also wasn't 45k retard
>>29033950for 2027MY, according to a leaked dealer memo
>>29032032> Too time consuming to maintainYou never had a pre-2000 car.Old cars break down all the time…>>29032048Smart thinking, anon. Society is changing fast, so does everything around it.
>>29032027I hate this fuck ugly fat faggot so much
>>29032027dont click on the clickbaittrim the identifier out of your urlwhat are you, 15?
>>29032027hes right, new cars are shitif i won the lottery tomorrow, i genuinely wouldn't be excited about buying anything, even with infinity moneymaybe RRs and bentleys, but anything south of that is just full on meh. nuferraris sucksome porsches are ok, but 100% unobtainium. like, yea, a gt3 touring, sure, but i'd need to spend RR money to get one of thosenew mercs are all shitbimmers tooaudis toothe escalade is kinda fun, i guess, in a stupid way. its probably on the shortlistid also probably try for a c8 z06, tho im not a fan of the interior or the targa top thingid also probably get a raptor-r or a trx or something stupid like that, but i doubt i'd actually like it for more than a couple weeks gone are the days when you could get a v10 m5, or a v8 supercharged e-class, or a v12 biturbo s class coupe gone are the days of based ferraris with good looks and NA flat plane crank v8s and v12soh, and, elephant in the room: PRICESwith infinity money, there's a few options that aren't completely shitwithout it, anything new that a normal person can afford is 100% utter shit i can't think of a single car south of 100k that's actually desirable. even the golf gtis are shit these days.
>>29032027People are losing interest in new cars, interest in old cars still remains. However really old cars like 20's era cars are starting to drop in value which I'm in favor of since I'd quite like a model T or model A to tool around in.
>>29032032>But mostly to expensive for a younger generation that can barely afford rent as is.This will likely destroy demand for cars as a whole if automakers can't hook in a young adult. The longer they go without a license or a car, the less likely they buy a car.
>>29035017go for a 29 chevrolet ACthen pick up a mid atlantic accentthen obtain a thompson with a drum magthen show those micks who owns this citythen go home and beat your wife because shes too retarded to figure out the new hoover contraption that you paid a double sawbuck for
>>29035253>29 chevrolet ACI would drive the wheels off one of those.
>>29033971>Old cars break down all the time…the best part is when people argue against this like they can somehow stop entropy, heatcycles, or UVs gaskets leak, you'll deal with rust unless you live in half of the country that doesn't salt their roads, bearings wear out, and you're fighting against the previous owner's neglect (10+ year old brake/clutch fluid that's half water and making calipers stick, original trans oil that wore your synchros). after a certain point you're spending every other weekend wrenching which is fucking gay and lame because you could spend that time doing literally anything else more productive (exercise/gym, relationship, working more hours, even fucking driving the car). cars break just from leaving them outside and not driving them that's why i tell people eventually you'll have to drive a car made in 2020+; its not a matter of if but when. it might be this year, it might be 5 years, it might be 20 years from now.
>>29035257yeah. back when cars were art.iirc the 29 AC was the first car to outsell the model t. deservedly so.
>>29033971>>29035263i dunno man i refreshed the hoses on my 80s/90s car then drove the snot out of it with just regular oil changes
>>29035263all that applies to wrenchletsif you're not a wrenchlet, you realize all that stuff, and when you buy an old car that has obviously not been maintained to perfection, you do a restorationnot necessarily a full on, frame off, every nut and bolt job, although not necessarily not that either, if the car merits itmore like what m539 does, where he will methodically go through every mechanical component and sort them all out. engine, engine accessories, suspension, brakes and brake hoses/lines, wheel bearings, clutch and gearbox, diffs. everything. and then any interior shit that might also need attention too.everything that's broken or worn out gets replaced or fixed. everything that's not documented to have been replaced recently, or is obviously new enough to not be a concern, gets replaced too. and yes, its expensive. probably more than the car itself, unless you bought an especially well kept example.but its less expensive than treating a 20 or 30 year old car like a 5 year old one. you can't just fix 1 thing at a time as they fail, because, as you pointed out, its all going to fail. you need to do a comprehensive reset of the mechanical odometer, so to speak. then, it'll be reliable. or at least as reliable as it ever was.
