>/CCG/, posting your own classics edition. participation mandatory>For Classics made from 1979 or older, with few exceptions.>Everybody has their own taste, but some tastes are wrong. If you aren't sure if your car is classic or not, it's not.>Your Honda Miata doesn't belong here.>US, Euro, Jap, or whatever.>Post your classic, your work on it, your hackery, and get advice.>Any and all discussion about classics welcome, but may not necessarily generate responses; don't get butthurt.>Period correct performance > cosmetics.>Metal > plastic.>Classic shitbox > modern shitbox.>JBweld and RTV can fix anything>If you see rust there is more.>Rust and bodywork are the most difficult thing to repair.>Electrical work is difficult until you stop reading forum posts and buy a multi-meter.>Low oil pressure? Worn mains and rod bearings. Use Lucas and 15W40 until you afford a rebuild.>Do NOT buy a classic and plan to pay someone to work on it. You need to be able to do 90% or more of the work or you will go broke.>You will spend twice your budget, unless you have years of experience. If the salty old hands agree, it's true.>If you can't tune a carb you might literally be retarded>Nothing is as easy as it seemsPrevious thread: >>29007305
>Still has 10 replies to go in the other threadYou just wanted to post that as the OP pic, didn't you?
>>29032886not OP but I like it, had a friend with a first gen riviera, think it was a 65
>>29032886there's someone that make OPs with non-classics, and it makes me suffer. i have to be quick. but who doesn't love a Riviera?
>>29032891>>29032889Hey, not hating, I like it. Hell I've sniped an OP post or two before it was meant to be a few times over the years meself, kek
no it was a 63 or 64 because it had these headlights, 65 they're hidden in the corners
>>29032889>>29032891Fun fact:The Riviera in Roadhouse that Swayze buys as a shitter so his Mercedes doesnt get vandalized at the club is worth about 40% more today than that Mercedes. >I think i posted this a couple ccg's ago but it still makes me laugh
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>>29032957>>29032960>Hollywood bullshit in Roadhouse OMG, there was fake shit in that movie?!?!When the lot salesman just reaches in the car and "actuates" the louvers its fake because theyre operated by engine vacuum and cant open when the engine isnt running. They default to "closed" position.
>>29032883>Nothing is as easy as it seemswrenchlet cope
>>29032960always wonder what's the purpose of covering them with dat clamshell...
The throttle was seized on the original carb so i pulled it off and the PO had tried to get it loose by striking the throttle blades. he bent them.found a carb locally, from a 65 galaxie. it mostly bolts up but the fuel port fitting is different. not that i was going to hook it up quite yet, anyway. got the engine to run just by dumping fuel down the yap and didn't hear any knocking. time to smash that fuel cap off and take a peek
>>29033877note the original colour. pretty neat. the story goes that it was a business that owned the truck (most crew cabs from back in the day were) and they painted it white... but they added red pinstripes. seems odd. it's really too bad, the orange is super cool. the carb from the '65 doesn't have a vacuum choke pulloff... is that built into the choke housing or something?
>>29033884>choke pulloff... is that built into the choke housing or something?Ya.One of the little mounting logs/legs doesnt have a screw through it and is actually a vacuum port/passage. A rebuild kit will have a little cork gasket that looks like a washer to go here.
>>29033902To add for clarification-Theres a little piston inside the choke housing that the vacuum pulls on thay ioens the choke.
My GT350 would beat the shit out of these cars.
>>29033912Dont care, didnt ask.
>>29033912
>>29033915What the fuck are you even saying?
I wish I lived in a place where nice things could exist. Everything is crusty overpriced garbage.
>>29033918
Realistically and honestly, is owning an old classic really enjoyable or is it a bit of a pain in the ass at all times? I always imagined parts being hard to find and expensive, shits older than me so sometimes fatigue will cause shit to break, every God damn boomer wants to approach you and tell you about that time they owned one after buying it for $100, and modern appliances out performing it in nearly every category. Is my fear warranted or are they just lovely?
>>29033937>I always imagined parts being hard to find and expensiveonly if you buy Chrysler or AMC. GM and Fords made so many cars the aftermarket is unreal, especially for GM. Chrysler aftermarket has improved over the years though. But still not as plentiful as GM.For me it's a pain in the ass when I'm waiting for parts and can't drive the damn thing.You also generally don't buy a classic if you're genuinely concerned that your mother's odyssey is faster than your car (it is) or whether you'll survive in a crash (you probably won't or have significant injuries especially without 3-point belts)also, the people in this thread are generally the kind of people that are happy with old cars and everything that comes with them; you're not exactly going to find someone that explains why they avoid classics after trying them.
>>29033920Get some money together and fly out to Vegas or Phoenix.
>>29033937>I always imagined parts being hard to find and expensiveDepends on the car. You could probably build an MGB from the ground up with new parts, including the body itself, and the parts are pretty damn cheap; with my Vanden Plas, however, I can't even find simple consumables like tie rods or shocks. The unavoidable Achilles Heel for ALL classics, however, is maintenance, as they require a fair deal more of it. Service intervals are more frequent, and depending on the age, quite a few components will require regular lubrication via grease nipples and the like, such as linkages, suspension joints, and drive shafts.>every God damn boomer wants to approach you and tell you about that time they owned one after buying it for $100They do garner attention, but it's barely worth worrying about. If you stay away from shows/meets, you'll be spending 99.9% of your time driving rather than talking, anyway.>Is my fear warranted or are they just lovely?Everyone's experience is different - Touch wood, I've been quite lucky so far. Never been stranded, never had problems that weren't easily fixed, and the vast majority of my dearest memories and feelings are tied to my classics in one way or another.
>>29033977>Service intervals are more frequenti feel like the biggest things holding old cars back was just the quality/technology of lubricants and fluids back then.cars today last a lot longer and a huge part of that is how much better service fluids have become. i'm totally comfortable with moving service intervals of a 60s car that originally had 3000 mile/5000 km, to that of a typical 90s car; 5-6k miles/10 000 km. that's also the perfect time to grease suspension zerks etc. although again, with today's lubricants, i feel very confident pushing that out to 50,000 km or every 5 oil changes.
>>29033877got the locking gas cap off and took a peak.the tank looks to be rust free but the fluid at the bottom is fucking grim. picrel (spent like 5 mins getting that pic lol)might just dilute it (fill the tank) and run it, and buy a handful of those clear filters. lazy and retarded? yep>>29033902cool, thanks for info
>>29033997Have to admit that I do agree with you as far as oil is concerned, but grease related stuff should be religiously followed as far as I'm concerned. Fresh grease is absolutely key to keeping bearing surfaces in good order, as unlike an engine which receives a constant supply of fresh oil, the lack of fresh lubrication coupled with frequent repeated movements will tend to displace and thin out the grease, regardless of how fresh it may or may not be. Greasing those points frequently is critical to the longevity of those bearing surfaces, as you're not simply refreshing old grease, you're actively adding grease back into areas that are now lacking in lubrication from regular use.
>>29033918he's saying you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded
>>29034012huh, i looked it up and seems like grease fittings, at least for mopars, have close to the same grease intervals that i mentioned - 32 000 miles for imperials. i thought it'd be less, but with that new information in mind, i'm fine with those intervals and would agree to not push them any further for the reasons you mention
>>29034069>i thought it'd be lessGeez, so would I. I'd hope it's only for things that are relatively well sealed, like ball joints.
>>29033586#1 Looks cool#9999 Headlights dont get dirty
This your old Edsel Villager, laseranon?https://www. ridesafely .com/salvage-car-auction-1959-edsel-other-orange/bid/2137599482?secid=225&trc=259&isct=2&soid=3&pg=5&rcppg=50&yf=1950&yt=1975&z=89012&ua=1
>>29034345Wasn't his blue and his burned from the back forward
>>29034793Pretty sure it was a red/white, bu now that you bringing it up burning from the rear forward...
>>29033586Back then Buick was GM's middle tier between Chebby and Caddy. They needed a couple oddball features to make them stand out from Impalas without going whole hog luxury and pushing into Caddy's tier.
>>29034261yeah it was only for those kinds of seals that specified 32 000 miles. the tie rods were the same too
will nylon cam buttons for chevy small or big blocks also fit on mopar big blocks? all i can find is chevy stuff but not sure if the diameters are the same. am planning to shave it down to length though.
>Trans dipstick won’t stop leaking God dammit. Tried slathering rtv around the dipstick tube but it only holds for a few days and then starts wicking again. Gonna have to lower the trans a little (or pull the headers) and put in a lokar tube and dipstick.
>>29035303th350?
>>29035303Replace the o-ring.
>>29035305>>29035309Yes it’s a th350, I think I fucked up when I jacked the shiny chrome looking tube off the donor th350. I had a perfectly serviceable black one that never leaked. This is probably some Mr gasket bullshit. And I replaced the seal when I installed it.
>>29035318you don't need an expensive dipstick, just one that comes with this style seal
>>29035320That’s what’s on there now
>>29035337well fuck then its fucked
>>29035356Yea no biggie tho worst case scenario I’m out a day or 2 and maybe some header gaskets.
>>29034007I had a tank like that in my bumpside. Looked great inside and no signs of rust, but within like 4 months of having had gas in it for the first time in at least 10 years, i discovered a pinhole on the very bottom of the tank. Had to remove all 18 gallons and transfer to a new tank. Decided to upgrade to a '72 evap emmissions tank so I could run a return line from my RobbMC fuel pump.
>>29035318Let me guess-The factory no leak piece was tossed when yoy installed the shiny chrome (?)
>>29032883Fiat 126 started production in 1972 so it counts. Any tips for a city slicker fag who doesn't know the first thing about cars to get started with looking after it and a contemporary Toyota Corolla? I don't really want to sell it because it feels kind of like selling your childhood home. Today we were checking the brakes after 10 years of the damn thing sitting in a garage and found that one of the cylinders is rusted shut or something and just refuses to move. I kind of fear that the entire body is rusted underneath and only has 5 or 10 years left before the engine just falls out.
>>29035710>Fiat 126 started production in 1972 so it countsThat shit is just a rebodied 500, and is therefore from the 50's. You ain't got nothing' to worry about.
>>29035697Oh of course lol mandatory that’s my shop SOP
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anyone here done a hydraulic roller cam retrofit before? did you check the lifter plungers to see if they moved or did you just install it then prime the engine with oil?
>>29035761*cough*
>>29038386Ya I compressed them and watched them squirt.Why wouldnt you?Plus it frees them up from any "sticky situations" where there was buildup internally.
>>29038652well when you put it like that...keki should've asked, if they got stuck, did you take them apart to clean them, or did you just make them squirt?
>shitty day at work>get home in shitty mood>"fuck it gonna take a ride">no longer in shitty moodBig pharma ain't got shit on a cool ride
>>29038386I soaked mine in diesel/Marvel mix before installation to make sure no air was in them before startup. Still primed the engine with a drill before startup just to ensure all air was gone.
>>29039503did any of the plungers get stuck? if they did, did you just free them up, or did you take them apart and give them a clean?
>>29038777Mine articulated freely so I just primed them and installed.Then did the drill like other anon. Be aware- your cordless drill might not be able to turn it.
>>29039525nah, all operate smoothly. These are Morel lifters for BBF/FE. What brand did you buy and what problems are you experiencing? Sounds like you bought them brand new?
>>29039614bought it as part of a howards cam + lifter kit. apparently howards just buy from morel and slap their own label on it though. i dunno how stuck it is yet but i did try to push it by hand with a pushrod and it didn't move.
>>29039616oh and it's for a bbm, pic related
>>29039578>Be aware- your cordless drill might not be able to turn it.And to add to this anon's post, MAKE SURE IT"S IN THE CHUCK TIGHT. I didn't and a tiny amount of shavings from the drive bit rounded off and went in the pan. Wasted 6 qts of break in oil having to drain the debris that may have been there(had to make sure). It was the Moroso tool. Went back and got a Milwaukee extended hex bit after all and didn't ever have to worry about shavings being created from a not tight enough chuck.>>29039616>>29039620Send it back. Sometimes things happen, and I'm sure Howard's/your vendor will do the right thing. Good that you caught it now instead of bending a pushrod/valve.
>>29039622>Send it backfuuuck. i'm in aus and i bought it from summit...
at the moment the lifters are in the block, i can still take them out, but as a quick test i tried pushing on them with a pushrod and the palm of my hand and none of them moved...i'd understand one or two lifters being stuck, but a whole set?
>>29039642It's not like pushing on a pez dispenser. It takes some effort.
>>29039708you're right - i installed a pushrod and slowly turned the crank, at some point i heard the lifter plunger actually break loose.
>>29032883Ferrari vs LamboNever gets oldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBtwzVFPc4M
Guess I'm not reusing these guys
I knew the rear bumper was gonna be rusted, but this is like totally hollow
Starting my first experience cutting+welding a patch. Thankfully it’s not on the body and just on the floor. I’m quite excited.
>>29040890Did they just come out of I Do Cars last boat strip down.They're probably in better shape than the thing they were holding together.
>>29040953They were holding in the chrome part of >>29040892It's just the rear bumper so it's whatever.The bigger issue is this rocker
>>29039467nice. that's really what it's all about>>29040993oof
got the highboy running. needed a condenser and a fuel pump.it's got a pretty bad gallop, probably from the uneven compression. maybe that can fix itself if i get it on the road under load, but there's a bigger issue - horrendous oil leak.i think it's from the intake manifold. and i think this is the heaviest intake manifold of any american V8i've heard you typically want to use an engine hoist. god damn it. left pic is looking up from the driver's side
>>29039467That looks comfy, nice ride.
>>29039467Must be nice to live where the roads aren't clogged with muttoids at all hours
>>29039467Gorgeous
>>29041553>i think this is the heaviest intake manifold of any american V8Yeah, it's like 80 pounds. That's because it incorporates some of what would be the cylinder heads in an effort to get a greater weight reduction when using an aluminum intake yet still having to use an iron head. Quick tip: Stab the distributor before tightening the intake down. There's enough slop in the intake fitment that you can get the distributor bores out of line and never get the thing seated.
>>29041787>an effort to get a greater weight reduction when using an aluminum intakeinteresting piece of FE lore that i did not knowhave a pic of the ultimate FE in return
>>29041787and i thought my dodge's iron big block intake sucked to get out...
>>29041787thanks for the tip. I'll be buying picrel for this jobi imagine that if there's an oil leak this bad, there's probably a vacuum leak as well, so the engine should run better afterwards.
my dad has a 67 f100 with a 240 6 inline and 3 in tree thats been sitting for almost 20 years, hes getting carburetor rebuilt now. What engine/trans fluid should he be using?
>>29042608Rotella T4 15/40 for enginegear oil for the gearbox
>>29042613any specific gear oil for that type of transmission
>>29041553>>29041787>80lbs >heavy Geez you guys gotta get off your computers once in a while and hit the gym
>>29042996It's not just 80 pounds. It's 80 pounds *out there* at arms length while you're also bent over a fender or grille. Even the top deadweight lifters don't try to lift things that way but there's very little choice with a car unless you're using a hoist. If you climb up in there (it IS a truck after all) it's still awkward as hell.
>>29043093Yea nah shits easy 80lb is less than most women weigh that’s a pathetic excuse
Still waitin' on my niggas at GearVendors
>>29042996no u
bit by bit...still need to torque the rocker shafts up, press the new driven gear onto the dizzy/oil pump shaft and shave down the cam button to actually fit
>>29042996any comments on this guy's strength>>29039758>>29039758weak bitch
>>29043144Trolling is a bannable offense outside of /b/ btw.
>>29044235>>29044235>>29044235>>29044235
>>29044257lick a dick, fag
>Bunch of homos in here threatening to suck each other's dicks.Disgusting ignorant retards.
>>29044316Post pic of you on a scale, fatass.
>>29044346Don’t tempt me with a good time
>>29043270what vehicle is getting overdrive?
>>29044257Who’s trolling? 80lbs is comically light to be complaint about and needing a lift plate and hoist for
>>29044456not him but i took the time to find spots on/around the engine where i could plant my feet on to squat and pick my intake up lol. fuck trying to lift that while bent over, arms outstretched.
>>29044456You have a phone with a video camera on it.Post a video of you lifting 80 pounds with your arm outstretched. We are all waiting.
>>29044469I put my C9ZE (4 barrel) intake on the scale and it was 76 pounds.Funny enough- the 4 bbl is lighter than the 2 bbl because the 2 bbl has a smaller pad (more metal to fill the area).I paid $100 for that boat anchor in 1996 BTW. Still waiting for someone that needs a matching numbers intake for their mustang build....
>>29044537post it on a mustang forum frequented by boomers, i'm sure someone will lap it up when it shows up in the for sale/classifieds section
>>29044472>just dox yourself because I’m a weak ass bro Lmao
>>29044719EF had been posting himself, his wife and kids for ages. We're not THAT important.
>>29044439'69 F100
>>29044719Yeah, tough guy. Post phyz so all the fags can compliment youor go back to the fitness board
>>29044537Just to add-That 76 pounds is one of the lightest FE intakes. Some of the performance intakes on the cobra jet engines were as much as 90 pounds.Ive seen aluminum FE intakes weigh in as low as 14 pounds. If you replace everything imaginable with its aluminum counterpart on an FE you can go from about 660 pounds down to just over 400.
>>29045136Thats keeping the iron block btw
>>29044955Mfw this whole thing was an elaborate ruse for lm7bird to build his fap folder >>29044770Who’s that?
>>29045136>Some of the performance intakes on the cobra jet engines were as much as 90 poundsi think my old car's 5 speed weighed less than that dry...
>>29045353A Tremec T5 is 75 pounds.
>>29045476yeah just looked it up, my w58 was around 77
>>29045582Ya its hilarious.Pretty cool if you swap to an aluminum but its crazy that 12%-15% of an FE's weight is the intake manifold.
>>29045599man. maybe i should splurge and get an aluminium water pump housing for my chrysler 383. apparently alloy heads, intake and water pump will bring its weight down to that of a small block...
>>29045666Definitely.I havent had an iron water pump in 30 years.Theres all that little shit too. Like brackets and pulleys.
>>29046073oh i mean the actual part the water pump itself bolts on to. i think you'd have to pay more for an iron pump because nobody other than the numbers matching concours crowd wants them.
>>29046108Ya thats just a water pump to the rest of us.
>>29046134oof, seems like an awful lot of material going to waste if that entire thing is the pump that gets replaced...
>>29038386When i did my dad's bronco i applied applied vacuum to the lifters while they were soaked in oil to suck all the air out. Then after install i ran the oil pump with the drill till i got oil out the tops of the lifters. Only then didni do the lash which was finger tight till the pushrod had some light resistance then half turn and tighten. It's lasted 1000 miles so far
>>29046359damn, a bit late for me to soak them in oil, but i suppose i can just prime the oiling system with the drill
>>29046647I prime until I get oil at each rocker.Thts all you "need".All the other steps are nice but in the end if you get oil at the rocker then any steps before that dont matter.
>>29046655great to know, thanks.man i can't fucking wait to get my car running again. i think i'm going through a withdrawal from not driving old cars for so long
>agree with machineshop to order mid 9:1 cr with 64cc heads>put engine together>builder dies from old>years later>detonate a piston>begin pulling them>run pn on piston>10.5:1 cr with 64cc heads at stock deckhaha what the fuck
>>29047751Old boy laughing from the heavens
>>29047751Sounds like a small block and ya, you'd typically run 72cc chambers with flat tops for 9.5:1.Kind of pointless to run 64s with dished pistons just to get the compression down.This is why (unfortunately) blueprinting is a lost art.
>>29047797Not to be an >ehrrrrrrm akshually Douchebag, but you’d be surprised. I had to run 67cc chambers with 12cc dished pistons on my 60 over supercharged build to stay within budget of what I already had on hand and gay California emisiones bullshit. I’m by no means saying it’s optimal lol but you gotta go what you gotta do sometimes
>>29047817Ya sure theres always weirdnessMight go through an entire build and be down to the cam and looking at numbers for a .512 lift and decide to go with a .563 and now you need flycut pistons and compression gets thrown off a little so you need to compensate and shit snowballs from there and youre back to page 1.
>have 5 speed in my car>want a 6 speed>email a tremec distributor that sells conversion stuff>guy calls me 20 minutes later and tries to sell me a tkx 5 speed>says the t56 would cost me 10 horsepower from all the extra drag of that 6th gearsetWhat's the deal with all the TKX propaganda? Are the sales margins on those really good?
>>29048430Shoulda told him you'd drag 10hp worth of deez nuts across his face
>>290484306 is too many.5 is only acceptable because it gives you a non overdrive 4th but also overdrive.
>>29048727But I want 2500rpm at 100mph
>>29048430I've seen T-56s handle 1200+whp. Factory, it's rating is like 650 ft/lbs and the TKX is only 550 rated. If you want room to grow, T-56 is the way. Also, this>>29048433checked
>>29048914I believe it, but I don't have enough power to break either. I just want 6 gears. A nissan cd009 could work, but those are harder to adapt to my car
>>29048856thats fucking retarded.
>>29048967probably an autobahn croozer
Tonight my welds are going to look great. I can be good at things that I do. It’s not over for me. I don’t need to blow my head off.
>>29048967Tell it got GM, because lots of corvettes have tall gearing like that
>>29048856Have a chat with:>>29043270
>>29049301Overpriced boomer tech.Also they don't make one that fits my transmission.
I think the 360 in my Highboy might have been swapped for an earlier 390. it has 2 dipsticks and a road draft tube and a PCV.i know the highboys had a specific dipstick and oil pan
>>29047751Getting bullshitted by a shop that barely knows what it's doing is the default now. I don't like it, but buying a complete crate motor is the better choice in 2026.
>>29047751this is why you just gotta do everything yourself
>>29049733Yank a spark plug out and measure the stroke. 3.75" = 390
>>29049740>>29049735the only thing I payed them to do was bore it 30 over, put the rotating assembly in it and put it in a bag.the only thing they did wrong was order the wrong pistons and the only thing I did wrong was not run the pn when I had them out checking behind them.anyways im just gunna order the exact same pn pistons cause I can't bring myself to pay money for less power.
>>29049796somehow it didnt take out the bores or the valves but it did fucking rape a couple of the lids on other pistons, all the runners in the heads still seem to seat though.
>>29049803
>>29049796bore crosshatching looks too shallow of an angle
>>29049814>engine is annihilated>your crosshatching's fuxxed m8i mean you're right, but holy kek
>>29049821maybe that was why the thing detonated
>>29047751>10.5:1 cr with 64cc heads at stock deckprobably a dumb question but you did take your bore and stroke into account when calculating this, right?
>>29049814nigga that was how I received it who gives a fuck
>>29049826I don't see how that affects it but it was a 4" by 4"
>>29049733Highboys had standard truck engines.Dipstick location is "car" (front of block) or "truck" (pan).Someone dropped a car engine in it and had to swap the pan for frame clearance and kept the additional dipstick otherwise there'd be a hole.
>>29049834It affects it greatly. It's compression "ratio" and the block displacement is the majority factor in calculating that ratio. Imagine doubling your stroke with the same pistons, compressed chamber volume wouldn't change but uncompressed would be almost double. I would recalculate it using some online CR calculator. It's likely the builder was right and they were actually the agreed upon CR.
>>29049834Yeah, like that other Anon said, calculate the actual Static compression ratio from measurements taken from your specific engine. Yes, you'll need a dial indicator and a bore bridge for it to measure piston-to-deck height but those are things you should have anyway. As for actual procedure there should be more than a few 'tubes on doing it so no need to describe it in detail here.It's possible you can use an 10.5 Static compression ratio if you choose a cam that gets you a 9.5 or so Dynamic compression ratio or lower. Again, more studying for you to do.
>>29049904if you don't have one of these you can also use a straight edge and a set of feeler gauges.
>>29049912vernier calipers also work but will be much harder to ensure it's sitting dead flat on the deck. on a semi related note when i measured my engine, piston 1 and it was 0.08" down the bore, piston 3 was 0.1"...did it three times just to make sure it wasn't just me. CR was something like 8.5-8.6 lol. At least I can definitely run regular gas :D
minimal sludge buildup which was a nice surprise. what's the consensus on the valley pan on with these engines? unnecessary? >>29049839which is great because 360 is just de-stroked 390, which gives the truck engines shitty quench and efficiency. guy i bought it from said "it has the original 390" so he was obviously clueless but i didn't say anything.
>>29049847Its much more complicated than that.A 347 stroker kit for a 5.0 has a .40" longer stroke.If you used the stroker crank with stock rods and pistons you'd be .20" above the deck.The matching stroker rods and pistons are designed for clearance as well as final CR.It was different when our grandfathers were stuffing chevy 400 pistons into a 302 but off-the-shelf kits of today are available in basic 9:1/10:1/11:1 versions
>>29049962>what's the consensus on the valley pan on with these engines? unnecessary?helps keep oil mist off of the heat crossover. Toss it if you plan to run roller lifters, but might as well keep it if running flat tappet.>which is great because 360 is just de-stroked 390, which gives the truck engines shitty quench and efficiency. heh, the truck 390s have the same piston wrist pin height as the 360 version, so lo and behold, the same shitty quench! I upgraded to car pistons and went with a .027 MLS gasket to get good quench of IIRC .048, which was smack in the middle of the recommended quench range for iron headed FEs.
>>29049962>guy i bought it from said "it has the original 390"Every FE for sale is a 390....
>>29049969damn if that isn't the truth.
>>29049833seems like maybe your pistons gave a fuck, retard
>>29049972i reciprocated my 'piston' inside your mother's 'cylinder bore' last night, fag
>>29049963the pistons are specifically for the bore/stroke not just 351 pistons in a 408, I am not going through the trouble to do the exact math and as far as the cam goes it's a half inch of lift and a 112 lsa ie: who cares.im pretty sure what killed it was a few too many batches of 89 and a little too much total from vaccum advance.Im going to dingleball the same pn pistons back into it and let it rip cept it's going to have a more careful tune and drink premium only.I never actually heard it ping and it was running when I dissasembled it but it bent a spark plug tip which was my first clue it was fucked up.going to also add a knock sensor to monitor it.
>>29049977>ie: who cares.Ok. Guess we're done here.
>>29043270I can pop in and ask them, I drive by a couple times a week at the moment
>>29050094nah its alright. I found a guy on a faceberg group who just received his like two weeks ago and had waited 3 months for it, so I'm inclined to think I still have a month to go myself before I see it.
>forgot to measure the length of the coolant bypass hose before i sliced it apartthis is gonna be a whore when i put this back together
>>29049482>Overpriced maybe>boomer techdo you know where you are
>>29034012NTA but why not just replace a lot of these joints and bearings that need constant regreasing with modern stuff that doesn't? I feel like it can't be that hard to find compatible parts for wheel bearings or tie rods since everything is probably standardized to some degree.
>>29050711If you keep up with the maintenance, they can last significantly longer than the modern non-serviceable joints. It takes maybe 3 minutes to grease 'em up, and grease is cheaper and easier to replace than a worn joint or bush, so seems silly to replace that with an arguably inferior product that exists only for the sake of convenience.
>>29034012This is a joke, right?
>>29050711serviceable joints consistently last longer than non-serviceable ones when they're regularly serviced>why not just replace a lot of these joints and bearings that need constant regreasing with modern stuff that doesn't?depending on what car you've got, this isn't an option
cleaned up a lot of parts and decided the water pump had to come off to do the intake properly. now i should be check the timing chain and taking the rad to a shop but the "while i'm in here" has to stop somewhere. I believe this engine had regular service. the hoses, belts, and spark plugs were decent and motorcraft brand
>>29051003>should be check the timing chainOnly if you want to fuck with the pan seal.That thing looks mighty crusty in general though
>>29051003>timing chainI had thought of recommending that earlier since the nylon over the cam gear teeth doesn't last that long but reconsidered doing that since we don't yet know if the engine will need internal work. If you posted up that it was hitting on all 8 I must have missed it.One thing about FE timing covers. They need to be centered on the crank before being tightened down. There's an actual tool for it that few will have, and certainly not a parts store rental lol. Most just use the damper as the centering tool.
>>29051029>One thing about FE timing covers. They need to be centered on the crank before being tightened down. There's an actual tool for it that few will have, and certainly not a parts store rental lol. Most just use the damper as the centering tool.To add to your post, the seal on the timing cover often wears a groove into the damper spacer and leaks can start coming from there, so he might want to check the spacer as well. Blue Thunder has a billet steel re-pro spacer for like $70. I needed one since my original spacer was shot. Worth it to me because I used it to center my timing cover lol.
>>29051029>special tool needed to center timing cover instead of dowels on the blocksounds like a thing ford would do lol. wonder what other similar quirks each manufacturer has unique to their cars. guessing mopars would be the ballast resistor? since i never really hear about it from ford or gm guys.
>>29051055Ford has ballast resistors.They even have a "ballast wire" on later models that just looks like a piece of the harness and is a bitch to figure out if it just shorted internally and didnt vaporize itself. GM had some pretty mickey mouse shit going on.>hey boss, this new alternator bracket keeps snapping, what do?>just stack 2 of them together and ship it.>hey boss, got this next gen alternator bracket design but it keeps snapping and we cant stack them because of its shape, what do?>whats behind the alternator? Just the exhaust manifold? Pull a bolt, swap it for a stud and we'll make a new bracket to bolt to the back of the alternator to stabilize it.>hey boss, we got that new engine from R&D installed but we cant run the heater hose past this bracket because the serpentine belt rubs a hole in it, what do?>take the bracket off, send it over to engineering and have them make a hollow one that we can run coolant through. And tell them to make it out of plastic too for weight and cost savings..
Wasn’t careful enough with the heat when welding my floor pan, now there’s an upwards warp in it that pops when stepped on. Is there anything I can do about this? I don’t need it to look absolutely perfect like a body panel but to stop popping, and if I could get it to sot about where it was that would be great.
>>29051003Check if your exhaust has that stupid valve between the manifold and pipe (only on one side, passenger iirc).I dont remember when they stopped using it but they always leak and can get stuck closed. It was part of the thermactor system to pump hot air through the intake for cold weather. (More emissions related than drivability).Be forewarned on long tubes.To get the passenger header or starter in or out you have to unbolt the header and starter and have both in their general position and play a game of tetris, moving both as you wiggle out the header or starter.And the long tubes wrap around the starter so close that you need a heat shield or they get burned up in 6 months.
>>29051119Torch and ice water.Might make it better.Might make it worse.Your call.Other option is to slit it in the middle to relieve the pressure and weld it back up.
>>29051113oh yeah i totally forgot about the coolant through the alternator bracket thing. i kinda miss working on toyotas.
>>29051029God I forgot about that.Last time I did an FE timing cover was in the 90s. Before the internet was packed full of actual usable knowledge.Luckily I was smart enough to figure out the balancer trick on my own and luckily I figured it out quickly.>>29051040I also seem to remember a thin sleeve the thickness of sheetmetal you could slip on to the balancer if it had a groove (?) Or maybe i had an early balancer that was designed to have the sleeve from the factory (?)
>>29051178Oh I remember now that the balancer sleeve came with a gasket kit and I didnt need it.
>>29051012>crustyback in the day, all crew cabs were work trucks. i'm sure this thing saw a lot of dust while pouring oil past the shrunken cork gaskets - which is probably why it was parked. previous owner assumed it was a RMS. (which probably would've been less work. yeah they have oddities but still)>>29051029it runs, but not well. i need to get it up to temp and put it under load to see if anything smooths out. i'm not convinced it's a good engine yet. it sat for 20 years straight and we all know what that can do.
>>29051225well soak the low comp cylinders in Marvel for a few days before you go to do it, see if that helps the ring situation.
>>29049814>CrosshatchingI must be blind because i don't see cross hatching. I see the bore marks left behind from machining
>>29051119Torch the highest point till it's nice and hot and quickly hammer and dolly it to shrink it then rapidly cool with a wet rag. Works every time
>>29052025you know thats actually kindof interesting because the rotating assembly and pistobs were in it before this picture was taken, I think the rings seated anyways but what the fuck.
>>29050737Kys, Freak.
>>29050737I think ungreasable uv joints are stronger because they simply don't have galleys for grease drilled through them.
>>29052237This is a fact.But unless youre crawling its usually not the weakest link.Yes ive broken u-joints.Ive also snapped pinions and axles and twisted driveshafts.
What's your method to clean up the cylinder heads in prep for intake manifold install? how do you block the ports from getting debris in the them? or do you just blow them out afterwards and hope for the best
>>29053021Stuff rags in ports.Buff with scotch brite.Blow out with an air compressor.Pull rags.You can rotate it around so intake valves are closed in the area youre working on or if you want to get goofy you can pull rockers so all valves are closed
>>29053021I have a honing block for gunsmithing that I use to sand the mating surface, like 1000-2000-4000-8000. I don't overdo it to where it's a mirror polish or anything, but to get it nice and flat. I just blow the just out with a compressor afterwards.
>>29053021razor blade and roloc pads
>>29053252>roloc padsI got shamed by my machinist for using that, kek
>>29053021with brand spanking new or cleaned heads i just wipe the mating surfaces down with a rag and brake cleanercan use cling/saran wrap to cover the ports if needed
>>29053265you don't want to use them on aluminium but in most cases you are not ruining anything cast iron unless you're using too much rpm and pressing too much into it.obviously use the fuzzball pads and not the sanding discs
>tfw when you pulled the trigger without looking closely at the pictures on eBay and you end up overpayingNIGGER
>>29053265Im guessing the issue was roloc instead of Norton and not tje scotchbrite aspect (?)
hello fellow classics
>>29053490is that yours? jealous if soi would just on a unimog if i could find one locally
>>29053496yes it is1961 Unimog 404.114found it about 3 hours away from me in JanuaryGetting it ready for the local car show
>>29053505need more pics please. i would sell out my retirement for picrel
>>29053514what do you want to see?it's pretty original
just fixed the drain plugs on the axles not leaking anymore
>>29053490Noice we have a track here called unimog hill
>>29053527Set up an army cot in the back and sleep in the bush
>>29053524>>29053526>>29053527hnnng i'll take whatever pics you wanna show uscoolest vehicle on /ccg/ in a long while
>>29053532I posted it on /org/ when I first bought it but they're kinda braindead over there
>>29053534oh i remember that. there was a hater. fuck himlooks remarkably rust free
>>29053544ya just a bit of light surface rust, no real rotwas the nicest of several an earthmoving company in Nevada owned. This was the one he kept in storage for restoration. I bought it from a guy that already brought it here and got it running.
>>29053524Whats the fastest you've gotten it upto?
>>2905356854mph downhillslowing down got the brakes a bit hot though. Didn't give myself enough room to slow down more gracefully. It takes a couple miles to get up to top speed though
I finally got the a/c figured out on my Newport and it is blowing cold as FUCK now. tl;dr propane must be charged at half the amount of R12.I was being very stubborn and refused to convert the system to a modern sanden compressor and r134, mainly for cost, but also because I knew I could get away with running propane in my old R12 system and not have to go through the pain of converting if I could *just* get the front carbon seal on the compressor to work. After several attempts with aftermarket santech carbon front seals, I had to make one good seal from old compressor parts from people I knew and had to be extremely careful in cleaning and installing the carbon seal, but I finally got it. Charged it with grille gas propane and the a/c worked but but in the sun it was very lack luster but I just didn't have the time to fuck with it more. Car sat for 6 months and most of the propane leaked out because lol carbon seal. My fiance and I wanted to take it for the day last week, so I charged it up with some more propane, I just threw some in it haphazardly until the low side gauge read 35 (high side gauge wasn't working for whatever reason). I estimate it to be about half the amount I used before. I didn't want to overcharge it so I just rolled with it, and God damn was it blowing cold. So in my estimation, I had overcharged it before and I scrolled back through the frosty cool website and their refrigerant says that it uses less than half the original charge amount of R12. So it looks like I just had it overcharged the first time. Mostly original components in the car. I resealed an rv2 compressor that my buddy gave me that was in better shape, and replaced the expansion valve and receiver dryer. All hoses are original, condenser, evaporator, the entire box. Only other thing I replaced was the vacuum switch head that summit had in stock (thank God).1/2
>>290536192/2 I am currently still running the grille gas blend of propane which I know has impurities, but it's blowing cold, and the front carbon seal on the compressor intermittently leaks if it sits for long periods which is basically normal operating condition, according the boomers at classic auto air. At one point they had a whole pallet of rv2 compressors but they just junked them because the front seal design was shit and they always gave people problems. So my system is working, it just leaks out if it sits for a long time and the grille gas propane is cheap as fuck so I can just top it off occasionally for basically nothing, and a/c is working really well. Hopefully these 60 year old a/c hoses hold up, but thankfully they are looking in really good shape and with running the propane at lower pressures than R12, they won't see the same kind of pressures that they were originally designed to. Not sure what I'll do if something else in the system breaks. I'll probably convert to a modern compressor at some point if I'm forced to, but I'm going to roll with this setup for as long as possible.The quality of late 60s Chrysler does not cease to amaze me.
>>29041787>>29041984thats a very common but incorrect boomer wives taleyou would hardly save any weight anyway if thats why they designed it that way (which wasnt the reason)the FE head-intake was designed the way it was to simply make the engine less tall, to fit better in lower hooded cars ford was starting to build around the same time
>composite distributor gear bore too big for stock shaftFUUUUUUUUUUU
>>29053623is that an epoxy floor covering? what do you think about it?what happens if you were to slide a 200lb iron transfer case on it or drop a tool?
>>29053763That complete billet distributor assembly doesnt seem so overpriced now, does it...
>>29053623Car and shop looks great my dude
>>29053490>>29053524>>29053526>>29053527oh my god that is so cool
thinking about getting an old Trabant or soviet shitbox, any experiences on those?I'm in europe if that helps with the parts situation.I mostly hear that those things never really run smooth, can anyone confirm?Or is there like a year where they got their shit together and models got better? don't say 1991
>>29054441https://youtu.be/RdLVViKqIqs
>>29054142unfortunately that'd do nothing; it's a mopar so no gear on the end of the dizzy shaft itself, it's a separate part that also drives the oil pumpif i had known, i'd have just bought the shaft + gear as a complete unit. but the seller was gracious enough to adjust the price as if i had bought a complete unit.now its just more waiting...again.
>>29035710The OP is extremely old and is in need of an update. Newer classics have been accepted in these threads for a long time now.
>>29054822Trolling is bannable outside of /b/
>>29054822*grabs popcorn*
I like to shit my pants when I fart
i like to fart my pants when i shit
i like to move it move it
I've gained a new found hatred for a certain type of old people. Met some cool ones but a lot of dicks too. Car shows are weird.
>>29056368Oh, do please indulge us, good sir; I love experiencing what the various aged creatures that meander around car shows have to offer~
just a lot of old fogeys. Wouldn't park near me. Just ignore me if I talk to them. The actual car show patrons are cool and I've had a lot of great conversations. Lots of people taking pictures of it. Kids especially.
>>29056368Old people are still people, and a lot of people are faggots. But also maybe you were in full west german bundeswehr regalia or something
>>29056368I like the front lugnut/axle protectors, is the piece attached to the wheel permanently?
>>29056630NTA, but they're usually part of a plate that's held between the wheel and the lugnuts. Take the lug nuts off and it'll come with them.
>>29056630it's also the step to get in it
>>29056867God I forgot about that.Probably pushed it out of my.mind along with all of those bodies in the ditch.
Aftermarket sheetmetal bullshit. The door skin was 1/8" shorter than the driver's side door so had to weld a steel rod on the edge
>>29056964>he doesnt know the fender mounts are designed to slide it front or back....
>>29040890Me in the back
Any of you guys fuck with retrofitting newer OEM fans to your shitbox?Pic is a 2012 dodge charger fan. Looks like it works with a big resistor to have a low speed setting. My other good option is a 90s ford t-bird fan. It's also a 2 speed but has no resistor. Different style of motor? Anyone ever wire a resistor style fan before?
>>29053531would be kino
>>29057342>90s ford t-bird fanGotta watch those. On the Supercoupe, the cooling fan is basically two motors in the same housing and on a single shaft. One motor does Low and the Other High and are controlled by a relay module that the ECM commands. The issue for aftermarket is that when both motors are energized at once the fan actually slows down because the motors fight each other. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find something similar on the lesser 'Bird.Then there's the venerable Mark VIII fan that was the go-to lnog ago. That one was designed to be duty-cycled up to speed by the PCM and trying to use one with just a relay would cause an amperage spike in excess of 110 amps until the motor reached operating speed and then would drop back to a mere 30 amps. >2012 ChargerThis one I would expect to find that it was designed to be pulse-width modulated up to speed and would probably have similar start-up issues as the Mark VIII if run on just a relay. You'll have to research how that era Charger operates the cooling fan but I think their using a resistor is unlikely.
>>29056964maybe stop fucking crashing into boulders
>>29057342this is likely a brushless PWM fan, it's gonna take more than a resistor to get what you want, but I'd love for a good discussion on cooling fans, they're a very important part of cars
>>29057649shut up, geese
>>29057294>Don't solve the underlying problem >Just mask it by making the entire passenger side of the car shorter
>>29057654>this is likely a brushless PWM fanIf you find a pic of the radiator side of the fan you can see what looks like a big green resistor where the plug is. Though rockauto does sell a brushless version, and like you said, it would need some sort of controller. >>29057588>two motors in the same housingThat makes sense. Sort of like how the transformer in my welder has a "low" set of taps into the windings. I am looking at the Tbird fan, or the 3.8l Taurus fan, as both of those are a 2 speed design and wouldn't need a PWM controller.
>>290577803 wires going to the green thing; presumably 12v for "high", 12v for "low", and ground. 2 wires going from green thing to motor; presumably a ground and either straight or resisted 12v. Makes sense to me, but I'm not an electrician
>>29057786
If its from the 1970s its not a classic and has no place on the Concours
Finally got the 390 pieced back together after the better part of a year of fucking around.>Let it idle for 30 minutes to warm up and check for leaks>Notice the engine started shaking a little more near the end compared to when it started>Too focused on leaking oil gauge fitting and transmission cooler line>Totally overlooked that one of the plug wires had wandered over and gotten chewed up between the water pump and pulleyEverything went better than expected.
>>29057835>running a Holley air cleaner on a Holley carb....What kind of devil magic is this?!?!
>>29057885
I’ve nearly finished putting down the (knockoff) dynamat stuff on my floor pan. Is it worth it to also order some closed cell foam and mlv stuff? My carpets have some foam on the bottom already but it’s quite old. Were I to get this stuff, what thicknesses would work best?
Tell me why I should restore a 1966 cadillac fleetwood over a 1961 cadillac fleetwood?Found 2. Can't decide which to care take.
>>29058549'61 vs '66 might as well be '41 vs '96. Completely different vehicles from an engineering standpoint. There was a major shift in the mid 60's to what we consider "modern" design.Generator vs alternator is a good example of what im talking about.
>>29058676>Generatori like how 90s toyota service manuals still referred to the alternator as a generator. dunno if they still do that with late model cars though.
>>29058676Hey I'm all ears if you wanna autist out more about it
Anyone here tried this stuff in an R12 system? I just ordered two cans.
>>29058777had it in my car that was retrofitted with r134a. didn't even bother draining the oil, just got the oil that was compatible with r134a to top off whatever might've been sucked out when i vacuumed it down; duracool is compatible with both mineral and synthetic compressor oil
>>29058964also with the temp dial set to the coldest, it'd get uncomfortably cold in around 10-15 mins on a peak summer's day sitting in traffic.
>>29058966Alright I'm stoked. I ordered this last night. Should've bought this years ago.
>>29059424do it. i found the whole process of regassing surprisingly fun/satisfying. Get a set of digital scales too, and some kind of stand to hold the can (try using an old coat hanger and maybe slit a rubber vacuum tube to slip over it so it grips the can better), then zero the weight or make a note of its original weight versus its final weight so you know how much you put in.
>intake integral with headWhat's the point? I know the 144-200-250 Fords were this way too.
>>29060131>What's the point?Cost savings - A single casting instead of two, less mating surfaces to machine, no gaskets or bolts needed, less time needed to assemble, etc., etc.
>>29060131what is it?
I have a Volvo 760 turbo wich I did not use for a while now because it was manifesting a bit to much gremlins. Fine I have two more classics so I'll deal with that when I feel like. But yesterday,>Hey neighbor, you still got that Volvo, you want to sell it?Bro is always working or doing something but his house and yard is nearly done, so I assume he's looking for a project to keep himself busy.> Me: Sure, it can be for sale and it's not the most expensive because it is not the best example. Are you into old Volvo and can you wrench and such, what do you want it for?>Neighbor: Mang, that car is road tax free and only needs inspection every two years, put an lpg installation on it and I be cruising in style, for cheap. Bro wants an 1986 or before ( Dutch tax rules for classics) petrol, converted to lpg car as a daily because he thinks that is a cheap way to get around. I already told him gently that that is not how such things work, especially if you drive long distance, but If he really wants to do that I'll keep an eye out for something. I am not sure though what car to recommend he should get, maybe a non turbo 700 series Volvo that hasn't done 250k miles already, or a 70's caprice classic (wagon) or something, with a 350 because there's gazillions of those engines and even over here in euro land parts are also available. Any advice besides from, don't do it because you want to safe money?
>>29060149Idk some GM boat anchor
>>29060136But the casting being much more complex seems like it would negate most of the cost savings
>>29060190Mowing one large yard vs mowing 2 small yards.The lawn square footage is the same but loading up the mower and driving to another house and unloading again adds more effort and time.
>>29060190Not really. The bulk of the cost comes from designing the part in question and setting up for manufacture, but that's not unique to this part, that's the case for literally anything. Once it's in production, it's all the pennies on the dollar stuff that racks up costs - If you save maybe 50 bucks per engine by excluding the need for bolts, gaskets, and man hours, then you can save millions of dollars over the hundreds of thousands of engines you'll be building. It's a scale-based cost saving - the more you build, the more money you save.
>>29060131its a boat anchor it doesnt matter.
>>29039467This image is incredibly antisemtic.We need niggers and jeets there NOW
>>29060131Supposedly the design has the exhaust manifold forming the floor of the intake in order to heat the intake quickly and improve vaporization to increase fuel economy and emissions. The integral intake design on the 4.1 (nee 250 Six) was introduced in the late Seventies so that makes some sense.
>>29060155Nobody? I'll still sell him my Volvo of he wants it but I'd rather have his first introduction to driving a classic be a positive one. Have another pic of the nest were I found my car. Stolze classics, officially he quit and retired last year, with a big everything must go auction, but there are problems with rezoning the building and what he wants to do with it now, so ever so slowly it is filling up with cars again.
>>29061072Let's try that again. LaSalle or Buick? [spoiler] I got the Buick [/spoiler]
>>29061077Apernatly this last week of wrenching made me forgot how to computer.Anyhow, people complain about car manufacturers these days but already in 1938 they sold oil filters as dlc.
>>29061080And EVs date back to 1888(This one had a 1 hp electric motor)
>>29061179The first land speed record for cars was done by an electrick.
>>29061200Most of it is already there and it is surprisingly Car for such an old car, but there are foibles like the oil filter thing. That little black box with pipe on the side of the engine, mine has a newer engine, the box is oil filter shaped and the pipe was missing. I went trough the tech manual, could not find anything about oil filters and the box turned out to be the CVS, it just blasts it straight on the road.
>>29061222yes cars used to also have updraft carbs so any extra gas also leaked onto the roadenvironmentalism as we know it has only been around since the 60s or so
>>29061238Also a thing that makes me smile because I am always bitching about skinny tires, the rest of the line up from Buick for 1938 was on 16" but the sport coupe has 15" I should read into why they did that, to make it lower or maybe so phatter tires could be mounted to stick better to the track. Idk, but I like showing some sidewall so I'm ok with it.My oldest car before this was 1974 so it took some adjustment. Pic is when I just picked it up, I put moondiscs on it but for the rest it still looks like that. I did drive it around for about two years to get a feel of it before I start taking things apart. It's a silly and unsafe death trap and is the coolest thing I ever had.
>>29061361>silly and unsafe death trap and is the coolest thing I ever hadaverage /ccg/ experience
>>29060577
Do I thug out the rust or stop spinning my tires and find a non-rusted example. No structure damage, just a lot of surface rust on the under carriage. No chunks missing or crazy shit besides maybe a fuel filter clasp band. Looking to keep the car in question so realistically im just weighing my options before full commitWhat did it cost you guys to restore your rusty rides? Paint is like 8/10 aside from the hood and some clear coat issues on a quarter panel.
>>29061853for me i made peace with the rust and just decided to drive it as much as i possibly can before it is fully consumed
>>29061390Sick ride, I like your wheels.And yeah, I have had some sketchy cars trough the years. I broke down and fixed my car on the side of the road, got towed and a good example, pic is a body on frame, wich is fine, but it would also be nice of those two were actually connected together by more than gravity and hopes and dreams. Got that fixed by a guy I sometimes do some engine work for. That's how it goes and I am used to it. But that brings me back to guys like my neighbor, not really a car guy expecting to drive a 40+ year old car 300/400km a day, reliable and for cheap. Even if he gets some Volvo or Mercedes it will wear out in a few years running it like that, not to mention all the surprises an old car will come up with
>>29060149>500lbs>anemic>everyone had it back in the daySounds like your mother
>>29062143Don't forget "cheap"
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