Yes. Does that mean combustion engines are going to die off? No, if anything combustion cars will apreciate in value

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>>29037979
>No, if anything combustion cars will apreciate in value
and this is why ev brands/buyers should be shot.
I don't need the shit I buy to cost more money because of techbro slop and the retards who trust the science.

>>29037974
Nope
Chinks are flooding the market with cheap to make golf carts sure
But look at tesla,they are the only evs that managed to find long term succes
They are shit
Look at what vw,ferrari and detroit 3 are doing with electrics
(Shitty little city cars that dont sell,getting laughed at,being retarded and 10 years behind,note dodge charger ev,kwab)
Look what toyota and honda are doing
(Nothing and recording first loss in 70 years)
Chinks will run out of steam sooner or later or cars will begin to go to shit
Evs will remain big as city only cars,curiosities for the rich idiots and maybe occasional bus fleet (if they keep getting serviced regularly)
Tldr evs are being pushed by goverments and gay golems from telaviv,if goverments stop pushing them its ogre bigly
Get a hybrid and invest in materials used to make cars in general
Gold,copper,steel and maybe some companies that take care of auto plastics

>>29037974
>/biz/ here

the retard from the board that knows nothing about investing is asking the retards in the car forum that know nothing about cars

Yes, they are being forced upon us by our pedo governments because they allow far more control over our driving.
No, because they are fucking shit for anything other than short commutes and built to be disposable instead of repairable.
EV means power to the corpos.

>>29037984
>shit I buy to cost more money because of techbro slop
>disposable instead of repairable.
remind me again how EVs are different from german luxury brands that people shill?

>>29038047
>EV means power to the corpos.
EV means power to the driver. It's ICE cars giving power to OPEC pedos and the oil industry. Not that's giving power to corpos.

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>>29038233
>Not that's
*now

And to answer OP's question; Yes EVs are the future. Electricity will rule all. It's magic.

>>29038042
The Chinese strategy is to spin up as many companies with random 5 letter names making as many products at as many different price points as possible and hope one sticks. That's how VIOFO became the go to dashcam, for example. I know there are others in different product categories but I can't remember them right now.

>>29037974
EVs are a scam. ICE will always be nice.
However, hydrogen? Now that's something because you can convert ICE rides to it / similar fueling infrastructure.

Only limiting factor is hydrogen tank construction technology and greed.

EVs do not last remotely as long as literally any ICE vehicle. They're disposable washing machines, not cars.

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>>29038047
Bingo. Good luck leaving your 15 minute "smart city" during the upcoming climate lockdowns when all the EVs get geofenced from leaving or disabled through forced OTA updates.
Nevermind the fact that EVs have been available on the market for literally 140 years at this point. Surely it would've naturally caught on without being forced by governments at this point? Or will we have "full adoption" by 2140?

>>29038271
>EVs do not last remotely as long as literally any ICE vehicle
Why this FUD? Even crappy EVs like Tesla have no issues hitting 250k miles with mininum issues.

>>29038365
More third-world FUD.

>>29037974
Tesla won

>>29038365
Lithium batteries have only taken off fairly recently. My first mobile phone still had NiMH batteries....
The problem of permanently online cars is not EV specific, it's a general nucar problem.

Hello /biz/ there is zero money to be made in any automotive company you will horribly underperform the sp500 by allocating any money whatsoever to this industry

>>29038365
If anything ICEs are easier to ground centrally in an "event" - just shut down oil refining or distribution (to the public, not the military), close gas stations.
No, you won't distill ethanol Mad Max style at home (especially in the necessary volume), but you can always plug in your car and charge it as long as you have electricity. You can even generate electricity off-grid if you must.

>>29038068
i dont give a fuck about euroshart scrap

>>29038677
>*Bursts into flames*

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>EVs are a car as service
This isn't inherent to EVs. An EV can be just as simple as a normal ICE car, if not even more. Besides, modern ICE cars are also loaded with electronics and optional subscriptions. This is clearly an industry-wide trend and not inherent to a particular driveline.

>EVs cause pollution through electricity
Even in countries with dirty electricity generation, it's still preferrable over the pollutions caused by the extraction, refinement, shipment, transportation and then the burning of fuels. It takes about 20,000km of driving before the pollution costs of battery manufacturing are compensated for. Which by the way is becoming easier and cheaper with salt/LFP batteries so that threshold goes ever lower.

>Even if there's less pollution, there's ton more brake wear and tire particulate pollution
There is no brake wear since EVs use regenerative braking. You can use the same brake discs throughout an EV's life span. The tire wear is negligible compared to exhaust and brake dust pollutions and dependant on how you drive.

>EV owners want to take my ICE car away
Legislators have been fighting the ICE car for decades, well before the arrival of Tesla Model S and frankly killed the ICE through exhaust regulations anyways. Most EV owners don't think an outright ban on ICE cars will benefit EVs. In fact EVs need the competition of ICE cars to keep improving.

>I need to drive 400 miles every day without break, EVs can't do that
If you're one of those extreme outliers, then stick to your diesel. For most people, the benefit of having a fully charged car every day for their modest commute distance is preferrable.

>EVs are boring, my ICE car isn't
Most ICE cars on the road are FWD 110hp shitboxes that can barely beat a hill without shifting to first gear and seeing the tiny box barely crawl its way above the hill. I think most EVs are more fun than most ICE cars on the road. However EVs will never replace the thrill of a V8, and shouldn't either.

>>29037974
Hey faggot OP, /pol/ here, EVs are e-waste and if one key electric component fails the entire vehicle gets bricked.

>>29039198
Secondly, there are no universal diagnostic protocols for the EVs so you're forced to get raped by the dealer for a simple scan to know just how deep in shit you are. Thirdly, they have no plans on providing replacement parts once the EV reaches its EOL (around 8 years). You will never truly own the EV, it's software will be locked down and the operating system always online. it's like leasing the vehicle but far more cucked.

>>29039205
>no universal diagnostic protocols
huh?
OBDII ports still exist? this is no different than any other car
>they have no plans on providing replacement parts
huh?
there's plenty of replacement parts that exist right now
if you are trying to say manufacturers will not offer replacement batteries because you have some delusional idea that a battery stops working after a set time or something, remanufactured/refurbished/repaired batteries already exist fairly extensively. battery cells aren't some unique magic thing that only the manufacturer has access to
moreover manufacturers purchase battery cells and components almost exclusively(aside from tesla) from third party part suppliers
>You will never truly own the EV, it's software will be locked down and the operating system always online
how is this different from literally any other vehicle sold today?
also, this ranges wildly between manufacturers, forscan works great to modify ford software
saying this makes it seem like EV's are some unique thing

also
>it's software
lol

>>29038271
>similar fueling infrastructure
they're similar in the sense that they both use a pump that dispenses fuel and that's about it. You need a system that can withstand 5000-10000+ psi. It can also leach into the crystal structure of many metals and cause stress fractures.

If you were to attempt to retrofit existing fueling stations you would need to rip out the old storage tanks and pumps and install vastly more complex ones.

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>>29037974
look at this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8CnlL8I4HE

>>29037974
Nothing is going to remove over 100 years of oil and gas infrastructure, nor the energy density and grand scale availability of readily refinable crude and condensates petroleum produces

Electric is a grand copium hopium globohomo trifecta of being more than it leads on
Enjoy fast charging while everyone rational is filled up
Youll never be able to compete with a 2 min gas station and have full capacity for you and all your trailers, jerry cans, and other toys shit tanks
Electric is a gay forced meme by globohomo to remove your freedom, simple as
Its not the future either because those rare nwtals are more neccessary for the quality over quantity wunderwaffen smart bombs etc.
Which will worsen should the modern militaries secure mass production as a means to an end of winning future conflicts
We are going to go back to mass spam of simple technologies: rockrts, artillery, drones, and meatbags
Militaries run on diesel
/thread

>>29039222
Just admit that you have a dildo collection

>>29038233
Did you know, youre free to make your own wood gas, propane, or biodiesel- and a fuckload lot easier than trying to maintain some whack shitass watermill for recharging or a windmill in your farm

Seriiusly though: those motivated will see ICE survive an apocalypse of infrastructure break down at least for a little while whilst the knowledge and talent is there

>>29038271
>only limiting factor in hydrogen
>forgets the nost important unsolvable crux of its scope of use: it fucking leaks everywhere
You will never have a leakproof hydrogen system, and for that clause your energy density will rapidly decay and or endanget your ass when it leaks and possibly ignites a chain reaction

Bad enough as it is dealing with corn additives destroying everytjing in ICE'S

>>29039242
just admit you started a conversation and when presented with even a modicum of pushback you couldn't form a single thought

>>29037974
>Are Electric Vehicles the Future of the Automotive Industry and Business?

THE Future?
No.
Just a part of it.
Electric cars have been around in one form or another just about as long as the automobile has existed. They still have a long way to go as far as energy density, but they're slowly getting there.
ICE vehicles will still be around for a very long time to come.

>>29039257
I'll admit that you're a pretentious faggot, no less.

>>29039205
>Thirdly, they have no plans on providing replacement parts once the EV reaches its EOL (around 8 years).
Who pays you to be this full of shit? Or were you just born retarded?

>>29039240
>Nothing is going to remove over 100 years of oil and gas infrastructure
Kek it took king pedo two weeks of bombing Iranian kids for the whole oil market to be turned upside down in a huge crisis. Oil is the worst resource ever to be dependant on. Electricity is home made, oil mostly isn't it. EVs will endure so long as you have solar panels, any apocalypse. ICE cars will become useless the second Middle East inevatibly nukes itself.

>>29039380
Only copro/city goycattle and uninformed retards buy EVs. Everyone in the industry avoids them. Opinion of shills, gays and browns need not apply.

>>29039427
>Only copro/city goycattle and uninformed retards buy EVs.
That's the vast majority of people, anon

>>29039413
Both Russia and Ukraine also have significant problems with their fuel infrastructure at the moment.
Russia has their refining capacity crippled and Ukraine has vast areas without intact gas stations.

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>>29039427
Yes saar spoken so truthfully saar!!

>>29037974
>Are Electric Vehicles the Future of the Automotive Industry and Business?
Yes, great time to be electrician.

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Nothing ever goes wrong with petrol supply. It's a rule of universe that petrol is always readily available and absolutely not dependant on a million international shipping lanes working. Nothing can disrupt the supply of petrol, unlike electricity which we all know is modern gimmicky and unproved technology.

>>29038068
They aren't, they're both shit

>>29039817
Where do you think EVs get their power from most of the time, sport?

>>29039833
In any civilized country, renewables and nuclear.

>>29039837
Do you live in France, Slovakia, Ukraine, or Hungary?

>>29039841
Scandinavia.

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https://www.iseecars.com/used-car-prices-study

Used EV prices rose 7.4% year over year in June, while overall used car prices fell by 1.3%
Used EV prices have risen for three consecutive months, with prices up 2.7% year over year in April, 5.2% in May, and 7.4% in June
Five EVs rank among the 20 used models with the largest price increases, including all four Tesla models (X, 3, S, Y)
No EVs appear among the 20 used car models with the biggest price drops

depends on how long governmetns are willing to subsidize laptop batteries production and coups in 2-3rd world countries
so probably forever yeah

>>29039859
the price of fuel went up retard

>>29039893
But I thought fuel was this super reliable energy source that would never risk getting priced out of relevance? By the gas prices are never going down again. In this economy, whatever goes up, stays up.

>>29039897
im so sorry they chopped your penis off btw
but nobody has ever made that argument about gasoline or diesel

>>29039915
Holy cope buddo. Enjoy your fast depreciating, over-taxed, over-regulated ICE (but actually not since it's fucked with hybrid shit)

>>29039918
have fun having your car explode/bricked because the 6 year old child in china monitoring your battery fell asleep during her 14 hour shift
hopefully that is a better fate than your transition

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>>29039921
Chances of your car blowing up is highest if your car is made in America. China second, then Europe and lastly Japan.

>>29037974
Yes. For the average A to B commute it makes sense in the grand scheme of things and as auto enthusiasts we should encourage our A to B friends to purchase these vehicles. ICE will become more niche and possibly more expensive but it is the life we choose.