>Live in Spain, in the capital.>Have a 1999 Premacy 2.0 TDI.>Cant drive into the city due to bullshit eco laws.>Need a hybrid or electric to drive in.Anyone who has experience with hybrids can help a nigga out? I`ve been out of the loop for a while. I I am thinking about getting a Prius because Toyota always seemed like a decent manufacturer.
>>29039083just tell them your car identifies as muslim and/or african, they'll let it right in.
>>29039083>Live in Spain, in the capital.Just say you live in Madrid bro. /o/ is not just Americans. Also hybrids are gay, you go either full ICE or full EV.
>>29039085(I refuse to believe the average American doesn't know at least SOME of the European capitals... Those 'asking random strangers on the streets' bits on late night TV do not represent reality.)
>>29039085EV is trash with low mileage and godawful charging hours. I just want a hybrid with a minimal electrical motor to be qualified as such without all that gay shit.
>>29039083Prius or Insight for hybrids, but in all honesty, do you really need to drive in capitol? City driving sucks. If you want an Insight, do not bother with anything after 2nd gen.
>>29039093I just had a brainwave... Why not take advantage of quadricycle laws? Are older diesel or petrol quadricycles banned too?
>>29039083>live in SpainThoughts on Ceuta?
>>29039085>>29039089>>29039093hybrids aren’t a EV/ICE drivetrain combined.You have a engine that runs very lean to save fuel (absolutely horrible for acceleration) spinning a generator with a small buffer battery, then a electric motor spins the drivetrain/transmission to provide power, with the lean running ICE providing extra boost under acceleration when needed with a clutch.Inb4 half of /o/ doesn’t even know what a engine running lean means.
>>29039127This is exactly hybrids suck and are for gay people only.
>>29039089Sure and then next year they're going to cut hybrids off aswell. It's all a zero sum game. Either you choose to commit fully or you don't commit at all.
>>29039085Not OP but I keep being asked "but which country though" when I tell people I'm Spanish. I tried saying I am a Spaniard but they are even more puzzled by that.
>>29039083>Cant drive into the city due to bullshit eco laws.>Need a hybrid or electric to drive in.Damn I didn't know spanish people were so gay
>>29039127>There's only one kind of hybrid drivetrain for carsFascinating opinion anon>>29039089Not sure how it is in Spain, but in France my Swift with its mighty 111HP turbo three-pot and 3HP (allegedly) 12V beefed up starter, coupled with a ginormous 0.036 kWh (when new, 9 years ago) battery, is considered as much of an hybrid as a Prius.If the rules are as retarded on your side of the Pyreneans and you're mostly doing city driving, an Ignis or Swift is worth considering. Don't if you're gonna do regular highway driving, no soundproofing, meh seats (not bad but definitely not good either) and no 6th gear
>>29039127It means it's high on codeine
>>29039087Anon, we don't care I think Paris is the only euro capital I can name.& Even then I had to google it to make sure that was even the capital of France.
>>29039275those low emission zones have been popping up all over the EU
>>29039472You're just a retard anon
>>29039093madrid is a sprawling capital area man that like 150 km x 150 km
>>29039375I live in a town near Madrid so I'd be doing around 200km a day of which more than half would be on the highway.Regarding the laws, hybrids enter under the ECO category, which is the second best after the zero emissions one.
>>29039083I'll trade you my '19 Corolla for your diesel Premacy
>>29039127Afaik the Prius has a planetary gear where the electric motor just helps in the startup and acceleration, keeping the ICU at max revs the whole time.
I went to Barcelona on a skateboarding trip in 2020 and had a really nice timet. American/Ford owner
>>29039093I don't have to, but the low emissions area was made by an actual piece of shit that impedes most vehicles without the appropiate sticker to circle around the city. The M40 hoghway is restricted for me, if it wasnt for that I wouldnt have given two shits and stayed with my Mazda.
>>29039509Europe is just irrelevant enough to ignore.
>>29039127what is an engine running lean? do you mean lead or leak?
>>29039275car emissions kill people in urban areas you idiot
>>29039083Depending on how much of a hybrid it's gotta be to qualify, you might get away with most BMW diesels of the last 10 or so years, because they run a little 48V assistance (ever wondered why official statistics claim diesels are hardly sold anymore? They are listed as hybrids instead!) Probably more such cases, also among the more affordable brands.Toyota hybrids have a good reputation, just be aware they work better in the city than on the motorway.>>29039127That depends entirely on the layout chosen.It can be serial or have the electric motor(s) at any point in the drivetrain from just a fancier alternator to a separate engine on the other axle.Also running lean helps with fuelconsumption but doesn't allow 3-way catalysis so NOx aftertreatment is a huge issue so it's rarely used anymore (on gassers). Miller cycles are common in hybrids and probably what you meant but they run stoicimetric.
>>29039083Toyota Hybrid System is ok ish in my opinion I drive a vitz hybrid(yaris hybrid for you European one gen before current model), it has an e-cvt so it's droning when accelerating hard (it's durable tho from what I read unlike belt based cvt) but, the battery and brake master cylinder system is seems a bit fragile so expect them to fail at some point and they a bit pricey.other than that it's nice quiet at slow speed, smooth battery mode to engine mode transition. It gets like 22.5 kmpl fill to fill at very bad city traffic averaging 20kmph and like 25kmpl combined (city+highway+rural).
>>29039996LOL
>>29039996Having to commute for a total of 4 hours a day is way worse.
>>29040102How does it fare in a highway? I do long commutes and would have to cover 60km on the highway every day.
>>29039083No budget or anything? Just get a Corolla or a Yaris, they come with a 15 year warranty.
>>2904025217k max, cannot afford more at the moment.
>>29040276New or used? At those prices new you're looking at Dacias. They have hybrids and I think even LPG options at those prices but it's a Dacia.
>>29040157Kinda poor I suppose, it's struggle to do 100kmph plus and overtaking (I guess every 1.5l car would be but, I think I saw autocar uk review for final gen Auris and they mentioned if you want to pull and overtake better in highway they recommend the 1.2t mt over 1.8 hybrid). If you do a lot highway you better get hybrid with 1.8l or above I think, prius has better aerodynamic perhaps it'll help in higher speed and it's designed with US market in mind (which has a lot of freeway). Internet says that most trouble free prius is 4th gen(like the one you post in start of thread), but please do some research before deciding >>29040276Wow cars are expensive there in EU
>>29040313As long as its mileage doesn's surpass 100000 km and it is (realtively) serviceable I don't care, though I worked at a Renault workshop and they also serviced Dacia Dusters and Bigsters. I drove them and I didn't have a good experience, especially when hearing from the mechanics.>>29040474Actually Prius has 1.8 and 1.5 versions, so I guess I'd be sticking to the higher volume one.And yeah, prices are godawful in general. Like you can get a shitbox for 5k but the low emissions shit would make it unsuitable for any city driving. Even the M40 highway is out if I get an older diesel (which is my current situation with the Premacy).I could get a newer gasoline car but it's a matter of time before they forbid them from entering aswell.
