They're an inevitability, and they will make owning an ICEV worse and worse.>economy of scale breaks down for fuel, service, and parts>less competition means skyrocketing prices>have to drive farther and wait longer to get those things done>snowball effect where people who don't want to deal with the annoyance of owning an ICEV switch to BEV, resulting in further shrinking of demand of those servicesWe're already starting to see the cracks with just 10% BEV market share in some states. Imagine when it hits 25%, or 50%.
Not gonna buy one.
>>29046382The number of gas stations is already going down. The US has 145,000 down from 200,000 20 years ago. This trend started before EVs took off so this doesn't not necessarily mean the number of pumps have gone down. But what will happen when the closest gas station cloes down? What about when there is exactly one gas station nearby without competition that can charge any price it likes?
>>29046383Your experiment already failed, we're already seeing the cracks with manufacturers cancelling EVs left and right and investing literally billions of dollars into development of future ICE engines and V8s.
>>29046454No, every single year the number of BEV sales rise and ICEV sales shrink. BEVs are selling more than ever and ICEVs peaked in 2017 and are at 2010 sales levels and decreasing.
Don't care. Porsche will keep making gas 911s and I will keep buying them.
>>29046498EV sales dropped in 2025. Ford sold almost as many F-series as every EV combined in 2025. You're cuckhole nation is forcing you into chink EV's. We get it. Go deal with that somewhere else.
Just because people can no longer drive ICE doesn't mean they have to drive EV. There are other alternatives such as not owning a car.
>>29046371if they were better, why do you have to keep trying to convince people that they are?
>>29046371haha car go VROOM
>>29046892They aren't. ICEVs are worse but there is a huge disinformation campaign to convince everyone they're better.
>>29046383so you bought an expensive exploding vehicle (EV) with planned obsolescence and spyware built in and now you try to get everyone else to repeat your mistake? lmaoshit man, you can run an old diesel on transformer oil or vegetable oil. how do you think you're going to get those off the road?
I'd unironically rather get into horses than buy an EV.
>>29046915Goymobiles are selling less and less per year as EVs take over, but it's just purely from the current status quo. But the acceleration will increase as you can't fill your goymobile as cheaply and easily.
>>29046919what you're saying makes no sense though because EVs are the ultimate goymobile
>>29046932ICEVs are the ultimate goymobile. When BEVs take over, Israel falls.
>>29046936lol. lmao even. the absolute state of EV shills, everybody
>>29046941Your nose is showing.
>Calls EV goymobile when ICEv require you a yearly brand-approved service program, fuel your government must import from arab pedos and an engine cucked by decades of emission policiesNowadays the only pure cars are either older V6-V12s or EVs. The rest is just artificial Frankenstein's abominations.
>>29046953>ICEv require you a yearly brand-approved service programeverything expensive has a warranty INCLUDING ELECTRIC CARS you drop dead fucking retarded nigger>fuel your government must import from arab pedosforget the white pedos we elect every four years taking arab money for oil and giving it to israel so they can indiscriminately kill non-pedo arabs and their children>an engine cucked by decades of emission policiesONE (1) hacksaw vs inanimate steel tubeWho would win?
>>29046971>everything expensive has a warrantyYes but atleast electric service isn't $1000 mandatory fee per year just so your warranty isn't void.The rest of your post is ESL third-world inane trash so I won't reply to it.
>>29046978maybe instead of being a thirdie swarthoid who can't understand basic colloquial english you should move to a country like the united states where your warranty rights are legally protected by federal law and the (clearly european) nonsense you are describing does not occur.reminder: if you aren't american you don't matter
Yeah but I like driving my Turbo.
Who the fuck calls them ICEV and BEV? Fucking Europoors.
>>29047051BEV is used to distinguish from other types of EV like PHEV, FCEV, REEV even though they all also use a high voltage battery.
>>29047051>doesn't know basic car terminologyLurk moar, wrenchlet.
>>29046454They're only doubling down because they can't compete with the EV start ups. Tesla and China took a strong lead on EVs when the legacy brands were twiddling their thumbs. Now they can't catch up
>>29046371>economy of scale breaks down for fuel, service, and parts>Electric vehicles make up roughly 3.5% to 5% of all passenger vehicles on the world's roads.lmao you're retarded
>>29047747You're right bro, electricity is not that popular. Nobody used electricity before BEVs.
>>29046911So electric car's aren't better then
>>29047062That's like insisting that people call a car a VTEC instead of just saying "Corolla". Nobody gives a shit and it makes no difference
>>29047754EVs still use gasoline. BEVs don't. It's a huge difference. You can idle a BEV inside a garage without dying, and they don't catch fire.
>>29047768>You can idle a BEV
>>29047772>>You can idle a BEV
>>29047772>>29047776BEV's are "idling" any time they're plugged into the electric grid. Also that guy is a retard. There have been thousands of EV charging fires. I would never charge one anywhere in or near my house.
>>29047781Notice he said EV, not BEV.
>>29047768>Electric vehicle >Uses gasoline Now you're just using words that don't mean the things that they mean.That's a hybrid
>>29047810Imagine coming to an automotive board and not only not knowing how cars work, but proclaiming others are wrong.
>>29047849does a cordless drill use gas?is an pneumatic impact gun electric?
>>29047754and diesel, gasoline, CNG, LPG and hydrogen combustion cars are all identical since it's all ICE.
>>29047001>schizo babbleKys Juan
>>29046383The number could go down to 100,000 or even 50,000 and there'd still be like five gas stations clogging up every city
>>29047852where does the charge come from?where does the compressed air come from?
>>29046915>planned obsolescence and spyware built inTHATS EVERY FUCKING VEHICLE NOWTHEY WANT YOU TO THINK ITS JUST EVS BUT THEY COULD SHUT YOUR F(AGGOT)450 DOWN REMOTELY AT ANY MOMENT
>>29047852
>>29047913
>>29047903Ultimately all energy we use comes from the stars - either hydrogen from the sun or heavy elements created in supernova explosions long ago and maybe a bit of gravitational and rotational energy.
>>29047903>>29047919holy fuck you redditors are obnoxious
>>29047911they can't shut down my vehicle because I refuse to buy anything made after 2007
>>29047810Even hybrid is a broad field. You have mild hybrids (MHEV) that don't even use HV batteries, plug-in hybrids (PHEV) that can drive on battery alone. Some may even consider range-extended electric vehicles (REEV) as hybrids. It's all the car industry trying to sell combustion engines as electric vehicles and the BEV label exists to exclude them. Fuel cell vehicles also get left out as a result but they're irrelevant either way.
>>29047971GOODKEEP THAT OLD GIRL GOING
>>29047971Ten years from now gassoline will be noticeably more difficult to acquire.
>>29048377That's been claimed for 40+ years now
>>29048377I can still easily buy leaded gasoline and that was phased out decades ago.
>>29048407Got any examples?
>>29046383They just finished building another fuckhuge QT gas station, right next to four other gas stations, of similar dimensions.There may be fewer stations, but I bet there are a lot more pumps.
>>29048429You mean 100LL avgas? it's great shit for small engines and anything with no cat.
>>29046383Bullshit there's giant fucking gas stations the size of grocery stores being built everywhere you fucking homo
>>29050808I don't live in China nor do I plan on moving there. I don't care what the bugs do.
Tesla won
>>29046371>They're an inevitability,No, I think most manufacturers saw that if cars were banned in favor of EVs, the chinese would take over instantly and they're gonna lobby to shut it down, it already happened in the US, it will happen to Europe soon if they wanna maintain any semblance of relevance in the world, only chinese client states will go trough with it because they're fine with chinese cars
>>29050818you might be talking past each other. the number of gas stations is going down in absolute terms, but the stations that continue to operate or be built are large ones.
Just make better EV than China
>>29050808China is a managed economy and market. But also to give you a benefit, China operates a lot of nuclear plants making this feasible. You're asking everyone to jump to a platform requiring infrastructure upgrades.
>>29050843they could just lobby to block chinese cars. how much weight that holds when they already import chinese-made cars stamped with their badge, i don't know. obviously the import threat is real, but they also have lots of capital tied up in plants geared for ICE cars, there is the oil lobby, etc. that the trump administration did not just eliminate the federal EV rebate but also suspended penalties for not meeting CAFE standards tells me they want people consuming more fuel period. it's very feasible to make a reasonably priced automobile that gets ~100mpg.
>>29050853>China is a managed economy and market.All economies are planned economies. The difference is who is doing the planning and for what end.>You're asking everyone to jump to a platform requiring infrastructure upgrades.Wouldn't the simple solution be to upgrade the infrastructure? Is there an inability to do it? It can't be cost related because the federal government can't run out of dollars. Or is it a conflict issue -- where large private interests make a lot of money on the existing set up and would like that to continue.
>>29050854>they could just lobby to block chinese carsMost euro manufacturers shifted their entire structure to appease the chinese market, they can't block them, they need the chinese despite them buying less and less foreign manufacturers in favor of their own
>>29050912They're also producing and developing in China. Meanwhile the Chinese manufacturers have factories in Europe so it's hard to shut them out completely.
>>29050854I don't think the EU has the guts to block Chinese cars.
>>29050941Of course not, they need to keep China around because they wanna feel important, and negotiating with China instead of the US makes them feel like they're still relevant to geopolitics
>>29047982 Pride month is over, nobody cares about your pronouns.It's gas/diesel, hybrid, or EV.
>>29046371The transition to electric is a trojan horse to end private vehicle ownership completely. It's what the people in charge want and say in their own documents and everything you're saying about gradually driving up prices and introducing impracticality applies, but you just won't be able to have a car instead of being able to buy an electric one
>>29047749>You're right bro, electricity is not that popular.when only 5% of the worlds cars use batteries, economy of scale isnt in favor of EV adaptation, retard
>>29051064Yep. Electricity is barely used in people's lives. We need to build out a whole new electric distribution system!
>>29051123>We need to build out a whole new electric distribution system!lmao, this retard thinks you can just plug in a billion Evs into existing inferstructure
>>29051131Economy of scale. The more EVs, the more electricity that's purchased, the more money for the grid for upgrades. The reverse of what's happening with gasoline.
>>29046371Get hydrogen tankhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxkaKDMwN50
>>29051133>The reverse of what's happening with gasoline.lmao, they stopped building gas stations and cars?you're literally too stupid to realize how little you know about these macro energy factors
>>29051140>lmao, they stopped building gas stations and cars?That's not how economy of scale works. They still breed horses and make horse feed.
>>29051148>That's not how economy of scale works.you keep using this term your pea brain doesn't understand how to apply properly Also lol at showing me the graph that proves MY pointholy shit you're fuckin stupid
>>29051158Are you saying the economy of scale doesn't exist? I don't get your point.
>>29051162>Are you saying the economy of scale doesn't exist?dur you just gotta build a trillion dollar infrastructure and the phrase I learned yesterday will work
>>29051172So BEVs are cheaper than gas cars without economy of scale? Damn, imagine how cheap they will be once economy of scale takes over! Will be a double whammy against gas cars.
>>29051175>So BEVs are cheaper than gas cars without economy of scale?They're a niche and will continue to be one
>>29051148Number of gallons doesn't necessarily mean anything. Cars could have gotten more fuel efficient, California's could be driving less, etc.
>>29051179Define niche in terms of market share.
I'm considering getting a Tesla for two reasons:1. ICE cars keep getting worse2. When Dems get back in power they're going to go full retard with trying to kill gas cars, making them even worse.
>>29051224>2. When Dems get back in power they're going to go full retard with trying to kill gas cars, making them even worse.Yeah, like start a war in the mid east that cuts off 15% of the world's oil supply.
>>29051041How would this be any different than cutting off gasoline supply to the public and/or bricking gas nu-cars?
>>29051179Where? They're already the dominant propulsion in several markets and this year gave them another big push. Even the Indians are eventually going to adapt.
>>29051255Yes, that was stupid and bad. But you can be sure dems will go a step further and mandate new EPA regs that will completely neuter gas engines. You see, both sides can be bad. If you weren't a partisan fuckwit you'd understand this and not have made your post.
>>29051222>Define niche in terms of market share.U.S. EV market share fell to 5.7% in Q4 2025.lmao, you gonna do the thing where you cherry pick the bay area or one specific shithole country?
>>29051588So greater than 10% is not niche? Cause it's 14% worldwide.
>>29051320>Where?The entire, world, you fucking idiotnone of you dumbasses can read or comprehend basic statistics
>>29051133>the more money for the grid for upgradesthis isn't really how this works. the government doesn't need to acquire or earn or borrow money first before it has it to spend.
>>29051701Government doesn't maintain grids, they only regulate them. Also yes, borrowing exist in public and private sectors, but revenue and income guide the borrowing. If a ton of money is being shifted from the private oil industry to the private electric industry, then less money will be spent on upgrading and maintaining oil infrastructure and more will be spent on upgrading the electric grid.
>>29051711the government gets its real resources (the stuff that would be used to build or maintain the grid) from the same place the private sector does: the general population. as the issuer of the currency, the government can always outbid anyone on anything that is 1) for sale 2) priced in its own currency.the government does not need to earn, acquire, or borrow money (even if they tell you it does -- it doesn't). if they want something done and the real resources exist to make it possible, then the money can always be there.
>>29051717OK but we're talking about electric grids and oil industries, which are private.
>>29051722The state allows them to be private. For now.
>>29051773ok? The state allows everything. Not sure what you're trying to convey.
>>29051711It is fun growing up in the asterisks state. Nebraska has fully state run power and this always seemed normal to me but apparently the only state out of fifty with such an arrangement and I couldn't tell you why. Presumably a state a lot further left would have it too but I guess not.
