I started renovating my house and I got some family members that could put solar panels on it for cheap (I am from Europe), if I did so, honestly, why wouldn't I just get a used 2021-2023 Tesla or something and be done with retarded gas prices being driven up by geriatric mentally challenged leaders?
You should. That's self sufficient.
if you're getting solar panels anyway, might as well get a heavily depreciated EV next time you're replacing a car anyway. wouldn't go out of my way to replace a car early
>>29050604>might as well get a heavily depreciated EV next time you're replacing a car anywayThe problem is with the battery state, more miles shittier ranger, i'd say 85% battery is a minimum if Teslas are too expensive in Europe we can just get cheap chinese cars anyway
financial totalling of the vehicle by imminent battery repairs on any used ev. theres a reason why EV depreciation curves are so much worse than even shit tier gas cars. the ones hitting the market now are off lease and probably did a lot of miles in a short time as for hire or uber eats vehicles, as well as lots of idle. the people winning via EV adoption are the ones buying or leasing new EV's and taking advantage of tax credits, rebates, and the high vehicle weight to write it off when buying via business. whether any of these could apply to you depends on where you are. you buying a used one is holding someone elses bags theyre trying to dump.advantages also assume EV's remain immune to gas tax forever, or if the government find a new way to tax vehicles per mile like gas tax did. bongs were going to do this i think. if made to pay similar taxes it might close the gap even more.all of this said, getting solar and charging for the house isnt a bad idea. it is something buyers will be increasingly looking for so if you ever sell you can add a couple grand to your asking price. there may be non shithoused used EVs for sale. maybe.
>theres a reason why EV depreciation curves are so much worse than even shit tier gas carsIt's more the rapid advances in technology than battery degradation. You can get battery certificates when in doubt but most are going to be way above 90% SoH.
>>29050614A Long Range tesla with 50% Battery (which would be like 300k miles probably) is still about 250-300km, motherfucker you are doing that in a week, you can spend 1 hour charging your car in your house once a week
>>29050621Home chargers are usually going to be 11kW and can be limited by your solar power generation. Charging an 80 kWh battery will take more than one hour.
>>29050621not worried about range, worried about how much that battery costs to replace when it goes, likely totalling the car, and if youll actually get your moneys worth in that time frame. theres plenty of fuel efficient gas shitters that might be cheaper cost of ownership the shorter the lifespan of the hypothetical tesla in question
>>29050628Whatever just leave it overnight, or whenever you want, literally like a phone honestly for homes with decent solar EV is the only way forward unless you really do long trips every day
>>29050602Hard to become fully self sufficient in winter depending on your latitude but electricity in Europe is far cheaper than the equivalent in gasoline or diesel.
>>29050611>i'd say 85% battery is a minimumthat's not uncommon though? don't those go for like 25kish?
>>29050600Why wouldn't you just drive a hybrid?
>>29050600Don't get a crappy Tesla. There are better EVs out there.
>>29050630I doubt a gas shitter is going to be cheaper TCO than replacing a battery every 20-30 years. A gas bike might be a viable option though depending on your needs.
>>29050600>why wouldn't I just get a used 2021-2023 Tesla or somethingTo get the highest benefit possible out of solar you have to pair it wit ha battery pack, so you can store and use the electricity after peak generating hours. Because those hours don't line up with the timeframe that anyone tends to consume the majority of their kwh each day.If you electric bill is setup for Time-Of-Use rates the batteries also give you a way faster ROI timeframe than solar panels do.All of that said, it takes a fucking enormous battery bank to be able to charge an EV off-grid. Or you need a 20kw array or larger and exclusively charge your EV on the weekends.I don't have the funds (or land area) for very many solar panels, so I'm currently only planning to use batteries for peak-shaving to lower my energy bill. And it appears I can accomplish that without any permits or contractors.
>>29050686Stationary batteries cost more than a car with that capacity. Now that V2H is becoming available you might as well get an EV and permanently plug it in.
>>29050695If your inverter can do chemistry-agnostic dynamic charge balancing (admittedly I don't know which one/s can offer that, maybe high-end Victrons?) you can get an electric car with bidirectional charging (I think that's the correct search term on mobile.de and autoscout24.com), but have some mounting points for sodium batteries when they become widespread, since they're likely to be quite cheap, once they get all the initial bugs out of the manufacturing process.
>>29050600Do not buy an electric car with pop-out handles! Fuck pop-out handles!
>>29050633>he thinks electricity availability in a house is infinite.I get that you guys dont have AC or clothes dryers and shit that pulls amps but you cant surpass your main line supplyI know this is AI but can some of you europoors verify what your main service is on your home?For reference in the U.S. the standard is 200amp, 240v at the service panel for individual homes.There were 60amp and 100amp standards that have long since been phased out.
>>29050724Bidirectional charging comes in different ways aka V2X (vehicle to X).V2L/Vehicle to load is the thing you can get everywhere. You get an adapter to plug into your charging port that serves as a mains socket or you have internal 230V AC sockets to power appliances.V2H/Vehicle to home means your car is connected to your home as battery storage.V2G/Vehicle to grid means your car is connected to the grid and serves as a battery backup for the whole country.V2V/Vehicle to Vehicle would allow your car to charge other cars. This hasn't been pursued for most part.V2H and V2G availability depends on local providers. In France is is an option but not in Germany so far.
>>29050734A new-ish basic-bitch single-family house has access to 400V three-phase AC. As a general rule, the main breaker on 400V 3P is 32A, and the highest accepted single-point load is 16A. 400V x 16A x sqrt(3) ~= 11 kW, which happens to be the current 3-phase standard set by the European Commission for 3-phase AC electric car charging. Of course, if you want to charge via single phase AC (if you've split your connection into 3 separate phases), it's going to be way lower (230V x 16A ~= 3.68 kW).
>>29050695>Stationary batteries cost more than a car with that capacity.A 72kwh battery pack would cost $10,000 in just batteries. Nevermind the hybrid inverter required to go with it.But that's only the capacity you would need if your intent is to be able to charge an EV from 10% to 80% off just the battery pack. That's an unlikely use case.A pack half that size would be enough to off-grid your house almost every night regardless of what your typical daily electricity consumption is.There's no free lunch with any of this stuff. It all offers different timeframes in which you will get your money's worth. Batteries have a faster turnaround than panels, and you can install them in a much more piece-meal fashion than you can solar panels. Unless of course you have a lot of flat land on your property and don't need permits to just plop them down on it.
>>29050745V2H can be enabled even if your local power company does not officially support it. You just need to buy a charging station which recognizes the standard in your car, and you inverter needs to merely 'see' your car's battery as available storage.
>>29050683>20-30 yearsflawed axiom. op isnt even hand picking a new model and hoping to not get a lemon, in which case id let some mor eoptimistic axioms slide. he will be shopping the used, lease-end inventory getting shuffled out now, which as ive already outlined are their own can of worms. someone else paid all the depreciation, now you will drive it until it hits the money wall or the accident wall, like all cars. if you are betting on "20-30 years" until the money wall comes, you are in for a surprise.
>>29050792You can always sell the battery pack to the white niggers who chop them into black market solar storage, running vibe-coded firmware off Aliexpress BMS modules. As long as you don't keep that shitheap anywhere near your house, you can survive it catching fire. A 20-year-old "modern" (i.e. electronic everything) gas car is worthless (especially if it has one of those chihuahua sub-1.5-liter turbos).
>>29050801>You can always sell the battery pack to the white niggers who chop them into black market solar storage, running vibe-coded firmware off Aliexpress BMS modules. this is a retarded course of action to plan for>As long as you don't keep that shitheap anywhere near your house, you can survive it catching firewhy have solar on the house to charge the whip if it cant even be at the house?delusional poster
>>29050811 >this is a retarded course of action to plan for People already do that. There are several pages where you can download firmware for chinesium special BMS. >why have solar on the house to charge the whip if it cant even be at the house?By 'shitheap' I meant the dodgy-ass car-cell-to-storage conversion. See picrel.
>>29050730This, Teslas are a death trap
>>29050600Tesla won
You truly do not understand how dogshit Teslas are if you're actually considering one. Especially a used one, they degrade so fast. If you guys get the Chevy bolt over there snag that instead.
>>29050792I don't like teslas either, but all the data we have tells us battery degradation is their strong suit and they degrade roughly 1-2% per year, which means 25 year on the low end before the end of life dendrite based internal resistance spike and capacity spike makes the original battery untenably deteriorated. You could suggest every 3-5 year old used car is a lemon but that is a statistically strange claim to make, Most battery manufacturing defects show up the first year, and any issues 5 years still puts it squarely in the federally mandated 8 year battery warranty so its not like an owner would be incentivized to dump it after spotting an issue.
>>29050770You're voiding your warranty in that case.
>>29050611Basically, chinesium and glueYou die, they raffDuped by a low price
>>29050840>they degrade so fastNo they fucking dont lmao. In europe and china its one of the most popular taxi cars especially because they just work (and because you need an ev to enter city centers or airports)
There’s no reason not to do this. Just make sure the tesla’s SoH is good and you’re gtg. t. Ioniq 6 with rooftop solar
>>29050840>get the Chevy boltImagine shilling for Chebby. Top lel.
>>29050747400v 32a is 22kw120v 200a is 24kwSo even your highest standard is less than our normal standard (we can get 400amp service).120v 50/60 amp breakers are common here (for shit like AC and water heaters).So youre saying that car chargers are standardized to pull half your available service. Thats about equivelant to a U.S. house being gimped down to an 85amp service + car charger (charge at night when minimal devices are being used).
>>29051002The difference is that car chargers in the US are gimped by 240V while Europeans have 400V.Europeans can get 22kW chargers in some cases while Americans are stuck with 7.
>>29051002Lower-amperage wiring is thinner, cheaper, easier to install.
>>29050902>You're voiding your warranty in that case. On what? The car? You'd want to do that experiment with a 2nd hand car out of warranty anyway. The charging station/inverter? They're likely some mystery meat chinesium without actual warranties in the first place.
>>29051412Old cars typically don't have bidirectional charging capabilities. It may just be the warranty of the battery and not the whole car.
>>29051416There's a non-zero chance to get 2-way charging via firmware updates. Skoda Enyaq got it that way.
>>29050952They're a lot cheaper used than Teslas. Primarily because they had a mandatory battery recall. First gen Bolts go for $9k to $11k.
>>290509522nd gen bolt is way cheaper to buy. Way cheaper to repair. Has a fucking steering wheel.>>29050933This post brought to you by your local Tesla Authorized Repair Centre.
>>29051500They're still Teslas.
>>29050840Yurop got the Opel Ampera, which already had the 2nd gen Volt's charge-holding feature on the 1st gen.
>>29051504And I guess there's the "Ampera E" or something that's a rebadged Bolt but that was right before GM sold them off to PSA so they didn't sell many of those.
>>29050600I await your post about how your ev burnt down your renovated house and left you homeless in 5 years
