motorcycles are for poor people
in this case poor doesnt mean bad
Why yes, for $5,300 you can get a brand new vehicle that does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds.
Every motorcycle owner also owns a car or two, so people with motorcycles have more money than you do
Yeah so, it's nice that at least one thing that's fun and not excessively expensive isn't banned yet man
>>29053392based poors
>>29053392Especially if you finance it.
>>29053439I used to be an engineer for Harley, right out of college. I’ve eaten bbq right across the table from Willie G (who’s probably dead by now). They wouldn’t fucking listen to reason. All they had to do was watercool and outsource some of the parts production but nooo. They opted for “spot cooling” only on some models- yo, if you’re gonna have a fucking radiator and water pump, why not cool the cylinders? And the XR1200? Fuck, it was consuming over a quart of oil every 500 miles brand new even on our lightest duty cycles. That company is SO fucked.
>>29053392Depends on the bike. They ARE however 100% a compensation device just like a lifted truck or a sports car.
>be op>finally buy your dream Chally>in fact it's only V6 but you can't have everything, gas is so expensive nowadays>go for a ride>stop at red light>suddenly you hear vroom vroom>there's a guy on a clapped out Gixxer next to you>you think he must be poor because that bike is worth like 3x less than your Chally>you look at him>he looks at you>both of you rev your engines>you feel a bit mogged, his vroom vroom is so much louder>you think that if you smoke him, you will meet him at the next lights and ask him out>lights turn yellow and then green>you got smoked instantly and never see him again, maybe missing out on the love of your life>you decide to make this thread with a pic of a bike like his but that wouldn't be controversial enough so instead you make it with a bike worth 3x more than your Chally
people on auto think were going to read all of that
>>29053488Maybe your kind is more suited for TikTok.You have to be able to read and write here, it’s sad that that’s a high bar to you people.
>>29053494or you could just like you know say things without going on and on about it
>>29053392poors have the best taste in having fun
>>29053488i did
i feel really bad for carfags, they are doomed to pick between financial ruin and boring autotragics
>>29053392Everyone that owns picrel owns a car or three. A ducati is a toy reserved for wealthy people with disposable income. It’s most of the reason motorcycling is dyinf a slow death in the west. People can’t afford them. If you posted a CB125 or something that a thirdie would ride in lieu of a car you’d be correct
>>29053508Illiterate ape. Is that simple enough for you?
>>29053556im literate im just not about to read your long winded story you think everyone wants to hear
>>29053414I don’t own a car
Yes. They're a way for poor people to be cool and have fun. U mad that we're allowed nice things?
>>29053445fucking engineering autists think any of this shit matters to someone paying the price of a honda civic to ride a shitty american bike once every other sunday when the weather's goodHarley is fucked because nobody cares about them under 60
>>29053445They literally only cool the exhaust valves, it's so retarded.
>>29053445The internet says he's still alive.The Revolution was a great engine. Dad bought an 03 vrod new. I figured for sure that's the direction they were going to go. But the old guys insisted on air cooling. Which is why the median buyer is 65 now. The revmax bikes are great but they're less than 10% of sales.
true am poor and have a motorcycle
>>29053471>lights turn yellow and then greenHuh?
>>29053614Yes because youre going to die to some loose gravel
>>29053670youre going to die in a retirement home with shit in your diapers while haitian workers are busy having a break
>>29053652Aircooled bikes are honestly based. I’ve really grown to appreciate the sound, the aesthetics and the simplicity of an aircooled engine in the past few years. Yeah performance takes a hit but it isn’t everything. That’s not an excuse dor Harley not to have pushed the envelope more though. They made their bed pandering to the boomers and now they have to sleep in it. I suppose a brand with that much baggage was always gonna have a hard time pivoting.
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>>29053696Tell me exactly how an engine being liquid or air cooled affects the exhaust pulse spacing.
>>29053392i would say only when you cant afford a fast car you buy something like a cheap japanese supersport 600 on the market just to get a fast transport
>>29053747People are so quick to pick a fight on here lmao. I had an air and oil cooled Suzuki GSXR which sounded better than the liquid cooled update that came out a year after, maybe bc there was less sound insulation around the engine with the cooling fins idk. Maybe because it was just less refined and more ‘raw’. It just sounded better, simple as. Old two valve air cooled ducati v twins sound better than the later liquid cooled ones too imo. Not everything requires an ‘ackchuyually studies have shown’ thesis. The unga bunga part of my brain that responds to stimulus thinks they generally sound better.
>>29053542Not if you're rich. Which is the point of OP's post
I’m a trauma surgeon and it scared me away from motorcycles. It seems like hella fun though.
>>29053668it's a third world thing
>>29053762You have demonstrated good taste by mentioning Ducs so I have no more gas in the tank to argue. Could be a combination of simpler airboxes, less restrictive mufflers, and less crap around the engine, like you say.
Imagine seething about a superior high value product that costs less than inferior low value products that aren't nearly as funCouldn't be me
>>29053445water cooling an engine changes the ambient sound and exhaust note a lot, the entire harley trademark is selling cool sounding slow unreliable pieces of shit. You dont see the bigger picture engineercuck
>>29053747>>29054301
>>29053409I got a used 650cc bike for 950€ that does 0-100 in 3 seconds
>>29053392>Manual only (autoplebs are automatically filtered)>Lightweight (not pigfat like nucars)>High power/weight ratio>Easy to work on>More immersive>Faster, more nimble, no nonsense>Not cucked by government regulationsAs a car guy even I have to admit motorcycles are the final pill for enthusiasts. Especially with the state of modern cars.
>>29054618Want new car that looks like classic model>sorry due to crash regulations the proportions are all fucked>also it's jammed full of modern tech and nanniesWant new bike that looks like classic model>no problem >hell, it's parts compatible with the classic model
>>29054301This is the stupidest ting I've read today. Thanks.
>>29054927Yup. I predict a lot of car enthusiasts are going to get into motorcycles because it's more enthusiast friendly. Cars are becoming pozzed compromised nonsense. Motorcycles are flying under the radar in comparison.
>>29054301>So uhm coolant changes da exhaust noteWater cooling doesn't do that kek, what happens is the engine has to change to accomodate the cooling system. Change is kryptonite to the shield chuds. Therefore, they're inheritly against it.
>>29053793Trauma surgeons are always trying to make things less cool>im a trauma surgeon so im anti motorcycle>im a trauma surgeon so im anti gun>im a trauma surgeon so im pro reducing the speed limit>>290534452010 was fifteen years ago unc
>>29055291REALI'm thankful for him being in that field but God there's so many pussies trying to nanny over others because they don't got the stomach
>>29055200The engine only "changes" in that you can have better compression.>>29055291I used to watch a ton of LiveLeak/gore as safety training/reinforcement, still have 3 and ride basically every day, but I can absolutely understand someone physically touching all the fucked up crashes riders being averse to them. It's not the same as just looking at that shit on the computer screen.
>>29055332>its better to have higher compressionfundamentally this is the american vs european engine debate across all disciplines, in the 20th centuryAmerican engineering is what is sometimes called the airplane approach. You determine what you want in terms of torque and horsepower, and then you make an engine that does that with the least possible stress. The (continental) european approach to an engine was "okay lets see what the maximum performance we can squeeze from a given size of engine is." This disparity was present in cars, in motorcycles, in airplanes, and indeed even in certain commercial engine applications.
>>29055367I'm not asking for 91-93 super cracked out engines every time. I'm saying that a liquid cooled bike that can run on 87 with reasonable service intervals is going to be faster for a given displacement than an air cooled because it'll ping less from excess heat and be able to maintain a more controlled compression ratio. The Twin Cam in particular was a joke of an engine that desperately NEEDED an oil cooler, especially as they bored and stroked it, but Harley refused to see reality in favor of muh style. Fuck, the Triumph 1200 Bonneville engines are SOHC and make nearly 100hp from the same engine size as a fucking Sportster.
>>29053445>unironically arguing in favour of watercooling on bikesbikes went to shit the instant watercooling became the norm. yes, I am including Jap bikes.
>>29053392Wtf happened to ducati? They used to make beautiful bikes
>>29055367it's because in Europe (and Japan) there are tax classes based on engine size, usually with 2L being the intended "middle class" displacement and everything above that being prohibitively expensive to own unless you're pretty well off. so Euro engineers optimised around that restriction, with the only way to get acceptable performance out of a 1.3L-2L is to have multiple cams and multiple valves and high rev limits and high compression and forced induction and yadda yadda. it's more complex but that doesn't inherently mean it's superior.
>>29055332He has a high paying career and probably a wife and children. There 0 reason to risk your life on a donorcycle, though I do know surgeons who ride occasionally. They can afford more expensive toys that won't kill or maim them.
>>29055862>Abloo abloo abloo I'm scared of an impeller and a radiatorBest bike Guzzi has ever made, first ever liquid cooled>>29055958Like small aircraft?
>>29055862>Ural still aircooledJust solidifies my factually correct belief that it's the greatest bike ever.
I'm poor
>>29053392i also just want to die
>>29053445Pan America is a pretty good bike, competitive in a competitive segment, real power and handling.
>>29056756And that bike is the antithesis of every single other fucking Harley. They even botched the Nu-Sportster, hurr durr let's make the SPORTster unable to fucking corner.
>>29056770Sure but it shows they can make a good bike. Unfortunately only fuckwits buy Harley.
Yes, that is why I am interested in this.
what about motorcycle horse?
>>29055871yes this is why they said >okay lets see what the maximum performance we can squeeze from a given size of engine is>>29055369in 2016 cycle world dyno'd the 1200 bonneville at 72 horses. the same year the sporster roadster came out, making 69 horsepower at the wheel. for someone putting on such airs, you don't seem to know very much. >>29055958if you think like this you should just never leave your house. why risk it? work remotely, have everything brought to you by door dash immigrant. how do you want to die? how long do you want to live? because the only way to die well is to die with Christ and the only way to live forever is to be with Him in heaven.
>>29058340That's idiotic. My job can't be done remotely. I bought a 150k car so I just drive that.
>>29058347pretty risky to drive you car. i mean isnt it much safer to take the bus or train? you have a family and so much to live for anon
>>29053793Honestly, wouldn't be that bad if the average motorcycle driver was more respectful of traffic.
>>29053445rip street 750
>>29055869Like Ferrari, most of their designs weren’t in house. Once the brand took control via a design studio it went to shit.
modern 35 and below americans are all poor people in denial
>>29053392>motorcycles are for poor people>Ducati V4R (OP Pic) costs $50k
this retard has never been to a track dayit's all dentist, doctors, and business owners with toy haulers and 3 different expensive as fuck bikes
>>29060273That's just because track day larping is a rich people hobby, that's still poor compared to the Porsches and McLarens at the car track day
>>29053439These aren't motorcycles. These are mopeds with a lot more metal.
>>29053392the high end ones are really expensive actually. If you crash sport bikes (which happens when you're sporting them) it gets even more expensive. They're a whole different niche of vehicle. I don't own a sport bike anymore, but they have unique properties which cars don't. The braking, accelerating, handling, maneuverability is far different from a car. You can cut between cars much easier. You can literally take it to places that cars are not supposed to go. There's all types of cool stuff bikes can do that cars cannot. I'd love to have one of each, but no longer own a sport bike, just a sports car and a truck.The one thing that really sucks on a sport bike is getting caught in the rain. A positive thing is that women will ask to take a ride, so you better have a helmet hanging off the back for occasions like that.
if boomers and karens werent trying to ban them, i would totally buy an e-moto specifically because i am poor and they are cheap but can still go on the highway if you put indicators on em
>>29060824The sound is one of the main attractions to bikes for me. Can’t even imagine hearing nothing but wind and tire noise
>>29060874it really depends on the car. new cars really insulate outside noise, my 2018 camry i can barely hear the v6 even when i'm flooring it. but in my 89 cressida, while it was still very well insulated and surprisingly quiet on the highway, i could still easily hear the engine over everything. was a good thing too, it sounded really nice and almost like an old muscle car.
>>29060893Yeah my E34 with the straight 6 was similar. Isolating most of the time and almost silent at idle but makes a great induction sound when you step on it that’s subtle but nice
>>29060874ebikes honestly aren't fun but they are very good in practical terms for just commuting about. the range is completely sufficient for average urban riding to and from work or the grocery store or w/ethe main issues are road legality, karens complaining about road legality even after you install fancy projection turn signals and 9000lm highbeams, and looking cringe
>>29060805what are you talking about, retard
They're so much fun, but they 100% will kill or disable you if ride them on the street enough. There are just too many what ifs. I gave up riding about a year ago, and right when I started looking at bikes again, I got rear ended in my Bimmer at a red light. It was annoying, but if I had been on a bike I'd at least have gone to the hospital. Possible paralysis. What the fuck is even worth that? I don't care about dying, I do care about permanent disability though.
>>29062013This is easily avoidable on a motorcycle The stats for death are easier to come by than the stats for injuryBut the stats for death are, if you ride an average amount in America, and you have the average risk of dying (ie you ride like a total retard) then you have a 0.1% chance of death per year. I consider this very safe.
>>29053409you also get to dress like a power ranger and turn into pink mist when stacy decides her instagram notification is more important than looking at the road.
>>29053409These are so fucking ugly man. We need to retvrn
>38y/o, male, employed>5ft6 manlet>clean shave, long-ish hair in manbun>fit, no tattooswill a motorcycle make it easier for me to finally bag a girlfriend?
>>29062205almost 100% of >stacy turned into meaccidents are preceeded by>i was speeding 80 in a 30Anyway, the glorious cage cuck future where youre all driven around by Elon's robocock will solve this problem for motorcyclists. Radar actuated automated breaking is going to be standard in the next 15 years
>>29053409But you'll die>Won't happen to meYeah I know anon you're the main character
>>29062280you'll die too, just as a bit more of a gaping pussy
>>29062199>This is easily avoidableYes statistics genius, tell me how you're going to avoid an SUV rear ending you at a red light in one of the 44 states that doesn't legally allow you to lane filter. Tell me how you're going to survive getting T-boned when your body is the crumple zone. You're delusional if you think a helmet will save you in a serious crash. You're literally 28 times as likely to die traveling the same distance on a motorcycle as you are in a car.
>>29062357Bitch ass nigga.
>>29062239No but retards will mistake you for a woman
>>29060627it’s literally the same people who have both lol
>>29062239Nope, it will only be dudes who take an interest and chat bikes with you. It might help you be less miserable though, and misery is not attractive.
>>29062239It helps Ignore the chuds.Bee yourself, but bee a hasbike.Get into it for yourself, gf is a byproduct of a authentic lived life.
>>29062205this but entirely unironically
>>29062357I'm going to leave space in front of me and watch my mirrors, and if someone appears to be not slowing down I am going to filter up into the lanes, which is pefectly legal in all 50 states to avoid an accident. I have avoided being rear ended in accidents doing this exact thing on the road on my motorcycle and on the highway in my car - although I went off into the median grass in the case of my car. Are you perhaps too retarded to watch your mirrors?
>>29053392No, poor people can't even afford motorcycles.
only ride at 4am so nobody is out on the road to hit you
while you retards are debating how safe a motorcycle is i'm building a sportster to do wheelies. hope you faggots are taking baths so you cant slip and fall in the shower!
>>29062280>Yeah i know anon you're the main character Correct. And I'm trying to decide if you're a romanceable NPC or just a background character
>>29062239Hey cutie, you can be the girlfriend
>>29053409>brand new>0-60 in 4.1 secondsMy bike was faster than that in 1981
>>29053392Correct
>>29053445We should get together and write a book.Chenowth, Willie Rells, Meyers...
