>>29064640
>one in five

20% of the population is legit retarded. we're talking about science denying, vaccine panicking, conspiracy theory believing, fall for nigerian prince scams, and think american cheese is real cheese tier retards. you just have to accept that there will be retards and the best you can do is try to avoid them

>>29064640
a lot of it is intrusive and makes you think more about how to work around it than when you don't have it
for example, esc, if you are a shit driver in a cuckover watching tiktoks from a phone embedded between your legs it'll safely understeer you into a ditch if you fuck up, but if you are a good driver in a low car that won't tip over from a little turn it will understeer you into a ditch instead of letting you power through it in a controlled 4-wheel slide and remain on the road
the only valid driver aid is abs, and even that, only on asphalt, you get into snow or gravel and its predictably unpredictable nature will, again, not let you control the car in the way you need to remain on the road
and that's simple stuff from 20 years ago, all the self-driving shit like lane assist gets booted the moment you plop your ass into the driver's seat

>>29064640
Anon, you don't know what is best for you. I know what is best for you.

>>29064640
>car to my left is signaling and about to swing in front of me to get in the exit lane
>cool, let's let him by, no need to slow down
>have ACC on
>ACC thinks the guy swinging in front of me for a millisecond is an imminent accident
>hits the brakes to maintain the "gap"
I follow traffic better than my ACC can, and I get better mileage than it can. I also bought my ACC-equipped car for a fraction of it's new MSRP too and it's definitely not why I bought it lol. I had to disable the emergency braking shit too, since every time a car in front of me is signaling and about to turn, the fucking thing thinks I'm about to wreck since it doesn't realize the car ahead is signaling and in the process of getting out of my way.
>tl;dr I'm a better driver than the computer
also
>phone screenshot

>>29064664
Statistically, people who use these features get into far less accidents. If you've used them it's pretty obvious that they would reduce a ton of accidents. But then again, we got people who think vaccines cause illness, global warming isn't real and man-made, and we didn't go to the moon.

>>29064676
If you need these features to not cause accidents, you shouldn't have been given a license.

>>29064658
American cheese is real cheese, vaxxtard

>>29064658
wait, american cheese isn't real? then what have I been eating?

>>29064682
It's real in the sense that it's a homogenous mixture of at least 51% cheese

>>29064682
>>29064683
It's like cheese alloy

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>Look under hood
>No ABS unit
>No fat '90s cruise control servo
Guess I'm in the '80%, nothin' to disable here.

>>29064692
>>29064694
It's cheese with extra water mixed into it for more cheese

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>>29064705
>hit the accel button
>throttle physically moves

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>>29064683
American cheese has to be pasteurized by law. There are cheeses like brie where that removes most of the flavor that makes it brie. Even the stuff that's made in France and imported has to be made fully-pasteurized.

Does nobody find it strange that we are outsourcing safety in order to protect ourselves from.. ourselves?

I've not met a single normal person who advocates for all this nanny shit.

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>>29064706

my mom doesn't use adaptive cruise because she thinks the furthest setting is unsafely tailgating the car in front
my dad doesn't use it because he still ruins batteries because he doesn't understand accessory power and leaves the radio on overnight. both regularly drift out of their lanes, my mom because she's neurotic and scared of being near the center line, and my dad because he's an inattentive and therefore shit driver

>>29064692
>>29064694

Fucking retards.
The other ingredients are whey (component of milk) and salts.
It's no different than cream cheese in that regard.

>>29064640
>ACC
>HUD
>driving modes
Aren't those mostly harmless or even nice to have? Wait until you drive a car with Euro regulation ADAS. Lane assists, driver attention monitoring, automatic emergency braking, etc. activated on every start.
The better implementations barely work at all for at least half the year here since everything is covered in water, snow and/or mud, including the sensors. If you're lucky, they just distract you with beeps. Some really shitty minimum effort compliance cars are basically actively trying to kill you since they can't make any sense of what's going on, and might mistake a lump of snow for a lane marking that absolutely must not be crossed (e.g. by taking over the power steering to steer the car into the ditch).

>>29064658
Seriously. The science says there is infinite genders. Right wing nuts refuse to follow the science. It's not gay to have sex with a trans woman, sucking her cock and putting it in your ass is straight. Right wing retards who believe in God instead of science will say its gay. Sorry but science says it's not gay

>>29064658
>>29064724
you realize kraft produces products other than "kraft singles" right. every time some reddit tier retard says this, they get BTFO.

>>29064733
Kraft singles aren't even american cheese, it's labeled as pasteurized prepared cheese product

>>29064678
This shows a complete lack of understanding about how cars work and how they play a role in people's lives. Do you even live in a place where people drive?

>>29064658
>>29064724
>>29064733
>>29064735
>claims American cheese isn't real cheese
>best grilled cheese sandwiches and cheeseburgers are best made with American cheese
It's real cheese. Can't argue.

>>29064732
Just because some scientist out there embraced this new age woo-woo tranny philosophy doesn't mean that "science says gender is a spectrum."
You're getting too emotionally invested in this silly redpill stuff that you think "science" is a committee or something or that scientists can't hold non-scientific personal habits and beliefs. Science is just the process of learning new things, not a political action committee.

>>29064640
Have you ever driven with lane assist on? It's like having an ADHD toddler grab your steering wheel every 10 seconds. Fuck off.

>>29064713
Holt shit really? All the best cheese ever is unpasteurised. Do Americans really go through life without Brie, Stilton, etc?
Unfree golems...

>>29064790
>can buy an assault rifle and forced reset trigger which makes it full auto
>can't buy a kinder egg or some cheese

what a strange people

>>29064717
I'm a firm believer in all the nanny shit. You would not believe the ridiculous driving behavior that I see regularly and I trust half baked software to drive over 90% of the midwits everywhere.
Just nimby. Don't want it on my car

>>29064640
>The pattern repeats across the driver-assistance suite. Nearly 18 percent steer clear of lane-keeping assist, and 21.3 percent disable automatic emergency braking outright, with many complaining the systems are too aggressive and cause more trouble than they prevent.
OP didnt bother reading the article further?

To quote a comment from article.
>I was driving my new-to-me EV home from the dealer, on a 4-lane state/rural highway at 65mph. There was a little service road just off to the right with a 25mph speed limit sign. The car's camera "saw" this sign and hit the brakes pretty hard. That's when I shut all the nannies off.
Then a video of Ford with a malfunctioning automatic emergency brake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIq-NToo7k

I agree with them. ADAS systems like lane keep assist, automatic emergency brake are stupid features that should have never been added into cars. Safety is overrated. Freedom and driving fun is more important than safety. Only true beneficial ADAS systems in cars are TCS, ABS, EBD, ESC, CSC because these systems help the driver at the last moment keep the car in drivers control just enough to turn a dangerous situation to a close call, giving the driver a little" oh shit that was close" and not interfering the situation too early, also not annoying the driver with excessive amount of beeps.

>oh, and you paid thousands of dollars extra for it too.
Those are forced into cars by democrap government, also europoo uninion. Politicians that should have never been allowed to regulate cars features. These morons are why most of new cars are garbage, complicated mobile smart phones on wheels instead of mechanically simple, reliable cars with minimum amount of computer controlled parts that almost everybody can maintain/repair at home. Too much risk-averse and submissive people(who want government to like replacement of father/mother), too much safety, civilization are ruining the world and most of fun.

>>29064729
It's not harmless. It increases the cost of new vehicles and makes repairs more expensive. New windshield? Time to recalibrate your sensor. Oh and only dealerships can do that and it costs $800. Don't want to pay for a recalibration? Have fun with the incessant warnings that the sensor isn't calibrated every time you turn on the car.

>>29064816
>get rid of AC because it makes cars more expensive
>get rid of faster/bigger engine options because they make cars more expensive
>get rid of leather and better interior options because they make cars more expensive

:/

>>29064640
Euros enjoy being dominated the thread.

>>29064640
driving 4 answers' video about his 2026 Prius was more than enough to swear me off modern nanny-state vehicles forever
>every time you approach an intersection it chimes and puts a warning on the dash that youre approaching an intersection, distracting you on purpose
>very aggressive lane departure system that opposes your steering inputs
>if you wear sunglasses it freaks out because the cameras can't see your eyes
>you are not the master of the machine, it is the master of you
>basically a wheeled equivalent of windows 11
I'd rather become a /n/igger cyclist than own a car like that.

>>29064676
except unlike vaccines, we can safely and ethically experiment with driver aids
from my experience with ice lake track days, i know for sure that i'm much faster and more controlled on ice with assists off, and faster means that i can go normal speed with a larger margin for error
an average person will not be, so it is correct to have driver aids to be opt-out, rather than either opt-in or non-negotiable

>>29064852
>has to breathalyze in his chally every morning before going to collect welfare

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>>29064640
Instead of government mandating more ADAS systems into cars. They should just ban the infotainment/touchscreen systems from cars because infotainment is major drivers distraction device that takes drivers eyes off the road for too long times, also slows down drivers reaction times. In a worse cases even causes car to sway between the lanes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-NalNqNRKk
It makes no sense to me that you are not allowed to use phone while driving, but you are still allowed to use cars built in infotainment touchscreen despite it being just as distracting and dangerous as using a phone.

Also they should expand drivers distraction law so additionally it would so ban & ticket drivers from holding other items too in their hands than just a cellphone. The driver should not be even allowed to smoke a tobacco while driving a car.

>>29064640
They probably don't trust the tech.
They think anything that takes control from you can malfunction and get you killed.

>>29064816
My insurance covers that, though.

It's not even legal to block independent shops from carrying out such work here. The car's maintenance documentation and records must be accessible to non-dealer shops, too. Also, work done in independent shops is not a valid reason for denying warranty claims.
I think FCA/Stellantis tried to challenge EU 2018/858 in court at some point but failed, so at this point most car makers are reluctantly complying with it.

>>29064757
The anon who called it cheese alloy was dead on

>>29064827
Options aren't mandatory though. If all these ADAS things were optional, everyone would be happier.

>>29064658
like..so much this! upvoted!

>>29064658
ivermectin cattle seething at this

>>29064658
>american cheese is real cheese tier retards
BBBUT THAT ONE VARIETY OF WHITE CHEDDAR THEY MAKE IN MILWAUKEE!!! ITS REAL CHEESE!!!

>>29064640
The hud thing is a distraction, not a safety feature. Adaptive cruise control is just fucking dangerous. These aren’t safety features.

>>29064640
BEEP BEEP

WARNING

SEMEN LEVELS LOW

TURN AROUND AND REFUEL

>>29064640
The reason companies put this shit in is to charge significantly more and get better tax breaks/ incentives. Insurance companies and the government love this shit just like they love evs.

>>29064898
Because it can.

>>29064940
Cheese alloy is also what JIS screws are made out of. 51% cheese 49% aluminum.

>>29064881
We safely experiment with vaccines all the time. Why do you think they work so well?

>>29064796
>can buy an assault rifle and forced reset trigger which makes it full auto
Assault rifle is already full auto

>have lane keep assist turned on
>driving down the road one day
>it randomly tries to jerk the wheel into oncoming traffic
>turn it off
guess i'm retarded

>>29064640
>Be me
>Just bought new Cadillac
>Driving down highway when I see a stray semi tire rolling toward me
>Try to swerve and avoid it, but car assumes I'd rather just brake
>In the middle of the highway
Luckily I made it out with only a little permanent damage, but the car was destroyed, as was the person's who rammed into me. I'll never drive a car with that shit again, I know better then whatever cheap ass camera GM threw in there

>>29065034
>it randomly tries to jerk the wheel into oncoming traffic
How worn were the markings? I've seen some cars mistake roads for single lanes when they couldn't see the lines.
In my experience, Toyotas usually just give up and return to normal steering, but a rental Audi I drove once kept forcing itself into the center of the road with surprising force. Took some multitasking to keep driving so I wouldn't get rear ended on the curvy road, while forcing the steering wheel into the correct position, while tapping the touchscreen to find the settings to disable the fucking suicide assist.

>>29064640
I simply do not buy cars from this century.

>>29064640
Depends on the system.
My 2025 Civic flashes a giant orange BRAKE on the screen sometimes when I don't brake while coming up behind somebody who's stopped, but only once has it ever actually actuated the brakes and it was because somebody came out of a side street.
Meanwhile my friend has a 2023 Subaru and it fucking slams on the brakes at every opportunity. I've seen it happen multiple times, it's like anything gets in the camera's view and it feels the need to step on the brakes.
If I had his car I'd have shut that shit off day 1. I did shut off the speed limit recognition and driver awareness system day 1 in my car though.

>>29065034
I was driving a family members car and had to turn the lane departure thing off because I was merging onto the highway and it slammed on the brakes when I was going over the close-dashed lines getting on the highway. I guess it was because I didn't use the turn signal so it thought I was leaving a lane, but who the fuck uses a signal merging on the highway, there's only one place you can go.

>>29064640
If you're driving so shit you need lane keep assist or you're otherwise consistently activating the safety features the car should just pull over when safe and tell you to fucking walk.

>>29064726
>my mom doesn't use adaptive cruise because she thinks the furthest setting is unsafely tailgating the car in front
I feel the exact same way

>>29064658
You better believe in conspiracies cunt they're real.

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>speed warnings
OFF
>auto start stop
OFF
>lane assist
OFF

the only safety feature I actually use and think is great is the blind spot warning lights on the mirror

>>29065129
You should use it because when you turn it off you're signalling to other drivers that's as far across as you need to go and no other drivers need to adjust to let you in.

>>29064658
Ziggers missing a leg from temu drones are seething at this from their trenches in ukraine

>>29065129
Do people not indicate when merging? If absolutely nothing else, the flashing light can grab the attention of an otherwise inattentive driver that otherwise wouldn't let you in.

>>29064676
>Statistically, people who use these features get into far less accidents
probably because they're the ones causing them for others lol

>>29065078
the problem is when cars not from this century get harder to find if you
a) want out of safety nannies;
b) get your car written off by some other moron and have to look for another

i turn off all assists except for ABS, already had 2 instances where having TCS on would have probably made me full on crash into a retard slamming his brakes because he saw some random small critter walk into the road and decided that potentially causing a fatal accident is prefferable to just flattening the dumb fucking cat/rabbit/porcupine/whateverthefuck trying to kill itself via automobile

>>29065279
Exactly, same as the women are safer drivers thing.

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>>29064640
If it was optional equipment I wouldn't have paid for it, but I had to. At least they sold me the option to turn it off.

>>29064676
>people who don't change the default settings on their car are less likely to be in accidents
I think their mild personalities are the reason they don't get in as much trouble.

>>29064658
The most stupidest people on this planet are exactly like you who always trusts on science and never question it. I guess you are one of those stupid zoomers that was born after 2000 so you missed all the experiences of how unreliable computers, smart phones used to be because multiple different software errors and operation system crashes. Todays 2020+ cars computers are not much different, they still have software issues that can malfunction, many of these stupid modern ADAS do have it. We do disable these ADAS system and will never fully trust on computers in cars and other machines that can cause our injury or death. We never wanted any of these ADAS systems into our cars.

Computers dont belong into cars period. Only total retards want cars to be automated, full of computers and ADAS systems. These are the types of people that should be shot to death because they are too stupid to drive cars and some of them even think that they should have an ability to do non-driving related things in moving cars examples texting, reading books or magazines, watching videos, doing make ups, smoking tobaccos, brushing their teeth etc.. things that they should be doing at their homes,friends or close relatives houses, job places. Never ever in cars.

the most important thing for road safety is eyes on the street. you know what we really need? a car that beeps and distracts the driver with retarded warnings every 2 seconds. ideally with all kinds of different warnings. that will increase safety

>>29064729
Adaptive cruise control isn’t available on 15yo base model shitboxes, but trust me, it’s nice.

>speed limit 70
>cruise set to 75
>come up on two cars both going 65, taking up both lanes
>adaptive cruise control slows me down to match them
>stays at a proper distance
>retard in the left lane finally speeds up to 80 for some reason
>I get in the left lane
>acc speeds me back up 75
>back to the right lane to keep cruising
>guy pulls in front of me because his exit is coming up
>slows way down
>can’t pass because cars in the left
>acc matches his speed
So yeah, it’s nice.

It’s even more important for retard drivers who don’t understand proper following distance. That’s probably why people don’t use it; so they can follow too closely to the car in front of them.

>>29065838
>Computers dont belong into cars period.
60 IQ alert

>>29065905
Your IQ is below room temperature and you have falsely high feeling of you being "smart". No any any education ever will fix that.

>>29064785
Lane assist is FUCKED and flat out dangerous. I would never buy a car made after 2020. Although in my gfs fiat it has a nice little button to turn it off

>>29065900
ACC is for souless wagies who commute 2h a day. When I'm on the highway I'm trying to get where I'm going

>>29064664
>the abs is unpredictable in low grip
did you just wake up in the year 1985
how are you posting on 4chan from there

>>29064785
yeah and it never goes off because i dont drift all around the lane since i know how to drive

>>29064801
this, third world illiterates are worse than a computer from 1926 let alone 2026. Like this goy who doesn't indicate when merging >>29065129

>>29064816
poor

>>29065900
ACC i don't like, just not for me

>>29065924
what do you do for a living and how much do you make a year?

>>29064790
The Kroger brand supermarkets here (WA) sell unpasteurized cheese at a display with mostly imported cheeses. Only the generic cheese aisle sells pasteurized-only stuff. I can also buy raw milk at any of the yuppie marts scattered around (and farmers markets).
I think this pasteurization meme mostly applies to remote areas where your only option is a walmart or winco.

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>>29066166
It’s technically not blanket illegal, per se. but there are rules about it that effectively make certain cheeses banned in real form.
Raw cheese in the US has to be aged 60 days, which for whatever reason some like Camembert and Brie cannot manage and are effectively banned in the US.
Anyway, how bout them Camaros?

>/o/ cheese and milk
I turn off the "safety features" in my 2025 because they about me. Collision warning go off of there's a bush around a bend, Lane keep assist panics when lives disappear or again, going around a bend. It's all just a scam to sell more tech to losers who shouldn't be driving

>Lane keep assist yanks me back into the path of the obstacle I was trying to avoid
>Forward collision assist comes on seconds after I notice something
>adaptive cruise control means my car just blocks the fast lane
OP is a faggot, but that's how it always is.

>>29064640
You have to be a dogshit driver who should never have gotten his license if you need that trash.

>>29065838
>how unreliable computers, smart phones used to be because multiple different software errors and operation system crashes
it's not too different, except now you don't even get an error code or even a remotely helpful identifier. it's just
>sorry a system error occurred, olease contact your administrator.
>button to "copy to clipboard"
>it just copies that exact fucking message, not an error code or anything actuallu helpful
>

>>29064640
I don't need the shit that auto-steers my car back into the proper lane, because I use this thing called "my brain"

>>29066621
Anon, my comrades and I know what is best for you.

>>29064640
I think it's cute that the government thinks I want to live as long as possible.

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>>29064658

>>29066743
dead people don't pay taxes

>>29065018
vaccines need long term (decade plus) testing, not "well he didn't die immediately, ship it"

>>29064790
soft cheese is just halfassed cheese desu

>>29064796
>muh kinder egg
honestly why do people obsess over an incredibly medicore """toy""" in even more mediocre chocolate?

>>29066621
anon we all know that's infamously unreliable and ineffective in your case

It's all just about regulatory capture. Keep independent garages from building a car.

What's very striking in this thread is everyone telling on themselves. "The lane assist yanks" the lane assist yanks if you drift over the lines, you retards are drifting to and fro into the other lanes without even noticing.

>>29066984
this is why they passed the law volume manufacturer law, so small companies could continue to produce classic looking cars without the regulatory burdens. That's why morgan is able to import cars into the states, for instance.
Kit cars also have different rules, a kit car maker can put out kit cars and you can have an assembler assemble them for you.

>>29064658
You're so close, but your ideology prevents you from acknowledging the biggest group of retards.

>>29066779
>dead people don't pay taxes

They do vote Democrat though...

>>29066966
That's what they already go through.

>>29064640
The easy fix is to remove the driver's ability to turn off the feature. My Civic won't let me turn collision avoidance off entirely, just reduce the sensitivity.

>>29064827
I think I've used AC maybe a dozen times in the last 10 years, and that car had 120hp and handled highway speeds just fine. Also I prefer cloth seats.

>>29064640
REEEEEEEE COPORATIONS ARE EVIL AND DONT CARE ABOUT US AND LIE!!!!!


2 seconds later:
REEEEEE CORPORATIONS KNOW BETTER AND YOU SHOULD TRUST THE SAFETY MECHANISMS YOU DUMBASS!

29067404
this idiot can vote

>>29067406


voting doesn’t even matter lol it’s all theater

>>29067398


I use A/C even with the windows open, and cloth seats are a dealbreaker like gay eps and faggy tablet touchscreens in cars

>>29064640
Had my subies auto brake almost cause an accident in a traffic circle since it assumed that the car in front must stop. It's a handy tool, but most of the auto aids are catches for bad habits and that encourages more bad habits

>t. motorcycle rider that has watched countless new cars yeet into lanes with no shoulder check because my alarm system will beep and warn me

>>29067404
The safety stuff is government mandated. Make what you want out of that.

>>29066779
And neither do I

>>29067189
the wheel getting "yanked" out of their hands makes me think that people are incredibly weak pussies too. i've used several cars and the feature is no more powerful than a controller rumble

>>29067500
cagers always did this, ive been riding long enough
personally im grateful that the stupidest of the stupid might avoid hitting me if im not paying attention enough to avoid them because of radar activated breaking in a left turn or failing to slow down at a light. i trust the tesla robot to not hit me 1000x more than I trust any given driver

>>29068178
i've only ever used it in a borrowed Kia but this was my experience, passed into a construction zone where the white lanes were doubled up and it just vaguely gently tried to redirect me

>>29064658
Look close kids, THIS is how you bait.

I turn off my abs automatically without even realizing it every single time I start my car
That shit is so stupid and useless
>oh you hit the gas and your front tires almost barely slipped so we're going to slam the brakes hard but on and off and on and off abruptly instead of letting you go fast like you meant to do and ignore the tiny bit of slip because it literally doesnt matter at all

I swear to god this shit is made for retards who cannot drive at all

>>29068349
What happens in 5-10 years when all these electric cars batteries die and these retards realize they can't afford to piss money away like this anymore?

>>29064897
i'd like to see
>applying make up
>reprimanding a child
>lack of sleep
on this chart.

>>29068375
you really dont seem to know the state of the technology or the market
batteries lose, being very liberal, 10% of their capacity every 100k miles. How many cars make it to 250k, 300k miles where youve meaningfully eaten into the range of the car?

>>29068375
What happened with the cars people bought 5-10 years ago?

>>29068349
it's funny, when i was buying my car the saleman told me a story of an elderly man who came in for a test drive, and returned completely irate, yelling that "these cars are heaps of crap that rattle apart!" someone managed to get out of him that it was the lane keep assist function going off because he kept weaving in and out of his lane, and was so weak it did push him around.

>>29064640
Not only that, I don't use autocorrect when I type, either.