This is good news for EV owners and future owners, especially those in the used car market.Its time to make the switch, /o/
batteries are exceedingly fragile though. all it takes is a rock hitting the underside of the car and denting the battery casing and your car is now a time bomb which won't pass inspection. then you or your insurance has to pay tens of thousands for a new battery.
>>29073498That was/is common on a lot of Chinese EV cars but since then even the Chinese have made improvements on shielding the battery (well, for the most part).American, Korean, and our favorite European brands have always made EVs have a very strong protection mechanism on their batteries as these places have actually strictly enforced safety standards.
>>29073495I got a jaguar i-pace with 100k miles and its battery has only 83% left. The car still has 220 miles of range, which is okay for me.The problem with EVs are not batteries, but very new type of vehicle design that can be handled only by a tiny minority of existing car shops. A random shortcut in wiring or some electric module can take a lot of time and money to fix. Not cool if you have only one vehicle.
>>29073504Thit happens with fast charging nonces. Just as bad as skipping oil changes on ice cars.
>>29073502that's simply false. there have been korean EVs in my country which have had their battery damaged in the manner I described above. probably others as well.
>>29073512delusional
>>29073504why didn't jag ever upgrade the ipace? they made a really good car and just... well, forgot about it.
>>29073495My Renault Zoe failed with worn motor bearings so it's not just battery that can go bad.
>>29073526Cause it was made by contract in Austria and Magna Steyr moved on, rather than keep collaborating with Jag. Another EV they fumbled with was Fisker Ocean>>29073512What do you mean? Are you suggesting that EVs should only be slow charged? Makes no sense to use them at all
>>29073541>Makes no sense to use them at allIt does. You're supposed to charge it over night at home and this is how most people are using EVs. Tho I don't think slow vs fast charge does much difference in regard to battery longevity, it mostly comes down to average depth of discharge.
>>29073498this is more of a problem on older aircooled models, they needed to breathe so they didnt have the skidplate like newer EVs have
>>29073495Begone shill
>>29073519Its not. Chinese EVs have horrible track records for bursting into flames. China has only improved by stealing battery safety and packaging tech from Korea (LG Energy Solutions) to minimize the risk.
Now show us the results on all these chinese brands
>>29073549>You're supposed to charge it over night at homeHave you heard of road trips? There is no way I'll wait for 10+ hours somewhere on a highway.
>>29073593>Have you heard of road trips? There is no way I'll wait for 10+ hours somewhere on a highway.I don't do those. If you do EV is not for you.
I don't care. I'm just going to keep driving my 25 year old shitbox
>>29073549>average depth of discharge.i mean that makes sense for lead acid chemistries, but for lithium batteries too?
>>29073495>after 62,000 miles
>>29073667>but for lithium batteries too?absolutely, this graph is all you need to know about liion bat lifecycle.Things change with modern chink ev's that use lithium iron batteries like friend of mine has one of those but for all the western EV's - that's the graph.
>>29073593Visit some location in the meantime.
>>29073495It doesn't matter. 15 years ago someone posted a screen shot of a Nissan leaf battery that failed after a short period and cost 15k to replace, so /o/ has decided this is the one truth. No amount of technological advancements or research that proves otherwise can ever change this. The hivemind here is like a steel trap. Nothing ever escapes but also nothing new can ever enter it either.
>>29073674LFP isn't just used by Chinese. New Twingo for instance has them as well.
By the time an EV battery has degraded badly (<70%) which is a decade from now then batteries will be dirt cheap anyways. So will replacing electric motors. Time is on EV's side and against ICE.
>>29073495They decided to name an EV "Niro" which is an alternate spelling of "Nero", which the number of the beast is a reference to. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
>>29073919No, they named it e-Niro as a pun on Robert De Niro. Niro is the name of the regular ICE version.
>>29073914Anon, in 15 years you won't be able to replace a battery because they likely won't even sell you one.I can guarantee states will put fences up on buying bats.Same way they Cuck people with catalytic converters.Even if you somehow managed to find a battery, that 15yr old EV will be a pile of shit not worth repairing like every other appliance we have nowadays. If you want to buy an electric vehicle, fine go for it.Just don't try to gaslight yourself into thinking the batteries will be cheap in the future.
>>29073922You can buy replacement batteries for 15 year old teslas like the Nissan Leaf.
>>29073922> in 15 years you won't be able to replace a battery because they likely won't even sell you one.huh?you can buy nissan leaf refurb batteries RIGHT NOW that fit 2010-2015 for between 3-6kmeaning you can buy a relatively fucked up leaf for next to nothing. put ~5k into it in parts/labor and have a ~200 mile range carrefurb batteries aren't some black magic, car manufacturers aren't using some unknown/rare/bespoke type of batteryit's fucking retarded to think a car battery pack will become unobtainium in the future
>>29073928>Um actually you can buy used batteries for this old EV actually. Fuck off retard.
>>29073495>Look up model 3 battery degradation >It's reddit posts of m3s with 20% loss in sub 25k miles.It's over.
>>29073921Hmm. Suspicious.
>>29073928>you can buy nissan leaf refurb batteries RIGHT NOW that fit 2010-2015 for between 3-6k>meaning you can buy a relatively fucked up leaf for next to nothing. put ~5k into it in parts/labor and have a ~200 mile range carThat's not really anything to brag about...
>>29073512>>29073541>>29073549>>29073667Fast charging can be bad for lithium batteries because it generates excess heat. Not a huge problem in EVs because they have better thermal management than something like a smartphone.
>>29073964It's not just the heat, the fast charging works by pushing more volts, more volts increases the chances of getting internal arcs, which are the main culprit behind the loss of charge, each one of those arcs pierce the thin layer separating the anode from the cathode, lowering the capacity of the cell until it eventually stops holding enough chargeThe only way to mitigate this is to charge slowlyAnd you can only slow down the process, you can't stop it from happening
>>29073971>the fast charging works by pushing more voltsis it not higher amperage?
>>29073977No, because you'd need thick as fuck wires and it would lose more power
>>29073663I actually do a lot of road trips by an EV and love it. 20-40min rest stops every 2h or so make the whole journey less exhausting.
>>29073971Majority of car owners won't be able to charge at home. And nobody got time for public AC chargers. So it just something you have to adapt to with the current gen of EVs
>>29073996You have just described what it is like taking a bus
>>29074000And that's precisely why shitloads of people see EVs as a step back
>>29074000>Majority of car owners won't be able to charge at home.Skill issue.
>>29074003You sound like you never been on a long route bus.Comfort from driving an EV beats any minor inconveniences.
>>29074000>Majority of car owners won't be able to charge at home.Why not?
>>29074017Lol what? Yes I have, that's why I said it. You think a long range bus ride is uncomfortable? The busses have reclining seats, air conditioning and screens that play movies.
>>29074019He's probably an apartment dwelling r*ntoid.
>>29074019Usually this is said for 2 reasons. First apartment dwellers don't have garages with charging points, and second even if you did you could technically charge your car with a regular 110V/220V outlet but it would take about 4 days to get a full charge without installing a level 2 charger which is ridiculously expensive.
>>29074046Many home owners already have a three phase socket in their garage or garden to power garden equipment and installing one only costs a few thousand.
>>29074052>only costs a few thousandYou can buy a Miata for that
>>29074052>home ownersoh man, the future in which the EV enthusiasts envision does not allow for people to own their own anything, let alone homes.And the grid? Oh Christ alive, that needs to be cleaned up (read as: cut capacity by 30%) to get rid of all those stinky fossil fuel emissions.
>>29074019Many homes don't have the power requirements for a 50+ amp 220v outlet.My house for example is maxed out just running a laundry dryer.The city did a power study and found my neighborhood could handle 20% of the cars charging overnight.The overall city could handle around 30% EVs.Power grid is not there.And now places like Cali are charging for EV charging And solar usage.There's no way around it.Eventually they will raise power costs using EVs as an excuse.And you'll be paying even more than you would have on gas.
>>29074052>three phase socket in their garageNigga, maybe 0.001% of homes have 3 phase power.
>>29074135based on what my man? isn't 220v a pretty common standard for a stove, water heater or dryer?
>>29074046R*ntoids are not human.
>>29073495It's time for you to take a bullet to the head you deranged EV tranny.
>>29074140Based on he lives in North America and 3 phase is reserved for mostly commercial shit. 240v in NA is 2 phase not 3 phase. A 240v outlet in NA puts out more power than your 3 phase plug in Europe that's fed with 20awg speaker wire.
>>29074208Are you sure about that
>>29074230Yuro residential electrical installations are a joke. Can't even afford proper gauge wiring.
>>29074052>Many home owners already have a three phase socket in their garage or garden to power garden equipmentWhut.No. No they don't. The vast majority just have 220 single phase.
>>29074230You people run like 50 amp breaker panels that couldn't dream of supplying 100kw... The small sub-panel in my garage is bigger than the average Euro houses.
>>29074046protip, most electric utilities have an incentive to help you install a L2 charger. I only paid $600 for my charger.
>>29073538According to the guys at EV Clinic the battery is not the first thing to worry about in an EV. Its an expensive part - especially when it has to be replaced as a whole.There are already repair sets for the motors of common EVs.
>>29074318Not everybody has a 200A panel in their attached garage. If you need to run power from your panel in the basement up to your garage or out to your detached garage it's going to be a fuck of a lot more than $600 to install a L2 charger. Is the utility company going to pitch in for the $20k it's going to cost to rip up my patio and grass?
