i'll start with the e-type jaguar. ugly silhouette, ugly rear end, ugly wheel arches. looks good in race spec though
>>29081547This is the one time in automotive history where the convertible version looked better
>>29081547G wagon, all day.i do not get the appeal of these things.
>>29081547I remember Jeremy raving about 458 on Top Gear.But I think it's ugly.
>>29081608I wouldn't go as far as "ugly", but most mid-engined cars look too "cab forward" to me
>>29081608yeah there's something vaguely off putting on that, it's a little bit too polished and sleek. I wouldn't call it necessarily 'ugly', but it's not their best design either.
>>29081547The E-type is one of the few cars I find looks massively better as a convertible. For coupe, only the Low Drag GT looks right.t. Huge lover of the e-type
>>29081627I just said that shit fucked bitch
>>29081629No mention of convertible my good man.
>>29081547All shooting brake / penis cars look retarded and are functionally retarded.>>29081595>>29081627Retards>>29081600Same. Especially at the price point.For me, the BMW E36 is the worst generation ever and the only people who disagree are contractions or broke bitches who owned a used one because of circumstance, not preference.
>>29081642>the BMW E36 is the worst generation everAll the eurotrash is only good when they're brand new
Anything made by the Italians post-1945, barring, perhaps the original Fiat 500 (though I guess the term is cute and not beautiful in this case). I would add Skylines and post-1962 Bugattis. Or really everything from the 1980s on has a degree of ugliness regardless to what it is, with a few exceptions.French cars are just more appealing than Italian ones, to me.
>>29081608never liked its headlights
>>29081680>Anything made by the Italians post-1945this must be bait
slope nosed 911s and the lancia stratos
Pic related
>>29081547I don't like how Cadillac-ish the rear of the 1st gen Monte Carlo looks.
>>29081922Not at all. They are all pretty ugly, regardless of make. Ugly grilles, tacky styling, misshapen body proportions, slab sided creations that were built with only a straight edge ruler.Even Italian cars that I like, such as the 1st gen Fiat Panda are ugly (it is just a box with a couple of lawn chairs for seats), let alone a lot of the crap that I fail to see the appeal of (Lamborghini comes to mind, especially their older cars).>>29081928This I disagree with, I find it quite nice and streamlined, perhaps even some callbacks to streamline moderne design, which was when the most beautiful cars ever made first graced the roadways. That said, the Citroen DS not in the same category as, say, a Delage D8, or a Delahaye Type 165. It is not too far removed, though, but not every Citroen DS is equal, a DS Usine convertible by Chapron is well above a DSuper or DSpecial (which are the downmarket models).Suffice to say, I am not a fan of so-called "supercars" or "hypercars" to begin with, so please forgive me on my crass remarks towards a lot of Italian automakers and auto designers. I can list more exceptions thinking about it, but exceptions are not rules and some of those are one off specials, so they might as well not count (certain Fiat 8Vs and Maserati A6s, but collectively that is 200 cars built at the most, so survivors are perhaps few, rare and expensive).
'59 Cadillacs. Those wings are just gaudy, I prefer '58s.
>>29082133Why was a convertible by a coachbuilder called Usine when Usine means Factory?
>>29081595Speaking of - mid 'sixties T-Birds. The ragtops are absolutely beautiful. The hardtops? Jesus I cannot stand them. They have the same ugly-ass "rectangularized" roof as the 63-65 Riviera, which is considered one of the most beautiful body-styles, ever.
>>29082152All 60's T-birds look fucking horrendous. Front of the 61-63 model looks like a Temu Sting Ray.
>>29082146Because you bought it through Citroen and not Chapron, it was a factory commissioned and Citroen approved, hence Usine. This came from an agreement, where Citroen would send a nearly complete car to Chapron and they would finish it.Every other Chapron model of the DS was not a factory commission, but those too are lovely and are not one-offs. That side, they command among the highest values of Citroen DS models.
>>29081547I think I would like this if the tires weren't so narrow. It makes it look proportionally goofy. If you put some fat rubber on there it might balance out the look. I have the same problem with classic range rovers, the tires are so spindly and thin. I've posted a restomod of an E type and I think it looks a lot better with the fat tires.
>>29082157>sideI meant to have said "aside".I guess I should say further that of the Chapron specials Le Leman is the one I like the most. Citroen got a case of automotive dementia with replacing the DS, with the CX and BX. In case someone wonders, the SM, is a different category of car entirely, being a GT car, rather than an executive or large family car depending on the model. I do like the SM, but there are a couple of unflattering angles to it, truth be told. I believe this is thanks to the rearmost side window being angled, which looks good straight on, but if viewing from a front quarter panel, you notice the rather abrupt transition to the rear of the car, like it was a stylistic afterthought. A minor detraction from me, but again, a lovely car.
>>29082157>>29082183Thank you, that makes sense. Alpine are really the only French marque I'm familiar with, and there Usine was used for customer competition cars.
The nu Vantage is the only car that makes me feel genuinely ill. The front 1/3 is so simplistic it looks unfinished, and the rear is way too busy and has a sad melted alien insect face. The color and wheel choices that are typical on these probably don't help
>>29081600>G wagon>>29081642>Same. Especially at the price point.ExclusivityThey're expensive and limited because they're built by hand in AustriaThis makes them expensive to make, and lowers the production numbers.Raising the price even more.
>>29081547Now post an example of what you consider to be a beautiful car.
>>29082201The rear third is the most appalling bit, it just ends. It tries to end nicely with flaring it but the geometry of the flare looks wrong. I would argue that Aston should focus on calling back to their most attractive car the DB4 GT Zagato. They tried with the front 1/3, but did it poorly, the roofline curve too is rather unappealing. A roofline is best designed as an ellipse or a wide, unskewed parabola. This is skewed, which is indeed very ugly. The read should curve down too, rather than up, but not curve down in the way those awful crossovers do it, it should start with a slowly rounded slope, that then curves at an increasing rate, most drastically close to a point "normal to the horizon", if this makes sense. In other words, design the car like it was an Aston Martin, not this thing, which is ostensibly anything but. And really I blame the DB7 for the beginning of this loss of character, because it started becoming an car slowly and despite this being a Vantage and not a "modern DB", it has a lot of what made the DB7 the least of attractive of all AMs in it.This is an issue with all auto makers in that they do not know how to design cars. I get that aerodynamics and safety are two factors, but that is only part of it. Expression is part of design too, and that the job of a good engineer is to understand the aesthetics equates to form and that form follows function. Always, if it looks right, then chances are you are right the right starting point. As companies design by committee rather than by man, identity is stripped. Committee heads are the new normal. Which perhaps is for defense tech, but it is not fine if civilian consumers are involved and this is why people "pay for the name".Mind you, I prefer Bristol to Aston Martin, for a host of reasons (one of which being that I just like Bristols more... a nice pair of them would be smashing), but this looks like it could be a BMW or even a Xiaomi, which is a horrid thought, in earnest.
>>29082288>A roofline is best designed as an ellipse or a wide, unskewed parabolaThis is made up. Fix the Vantage's gaping maw of a grille, delete the rear diffuser, and change the terrible tail lights and it'll be fine. It already looks halfway presentable without the eyesore tennis ball yellow and terrible black/diamond cut wheels.
>>29082298I still think it looks misshapen beyond that, everything else is what I hate I hate about, but the shape of the front end is also awful. It is far too, dare I say, aggressive looking in that it bears an edge instead of a curve. The roofline is like a backwards egg.I spent way too much time in paint, but here you go. I did my best to showcase everything what I mean is wrong about it and how to put it right.
>>29082133>so-calledOnly Chinese use this. Are you Chinese?
>>29082368Man, I really fucked up the first bit, forgive me.I meant to say that the front end is awful too. It is too aggressive, too sharp, too pointed. The back end likewise, but this stretches beyond the diffuser. The tail looked like that of an Australian cattle dog, rather than an AM. Of course, no fins, but fins would not pass in the modern day anyway, unfortunately, which does detract from the appearance, but also, I am not going to shade and mark out fins in paint trying to show something to Anonymous on a Mongolian basket weaving website.>>29082372No, I am not Chinese. I dislike Chinese cars too (which try to go for modern supercar and hypercar appearance for their higher end models). I am Br*tish (from bloody Birmingham) and living in Muttland.
>>29082372>Only Chinese use this.It was said it all the time on Top so-called Gear, usually with the adenoids voice.
>>29082173that looks good but the roofline, rear window, trunk area and rear fenders are all completely different from stock
>>29082287
The front end is heinous and reminds me of a skull's nasal openingall they had to do was modernise the 159 and they fucked it up
>>29082727i agree they are ugly as shit. looks like an alfa 159 covered in bee stings, bloated and puffy
>>29081547I used to think this also, specifically about the E-type which dad loves and so many other people seem to regard as beautiful (famously Enzo). But then I learned more about Jaguar and racing - you see Jaguar was big in the racing scene and the E-type was basically just a road going adaptation of their D-type racing car.Once you realise the E-type is really supposed to be a racing car first and foremost, and then you start looking at variations of the car in racing trim, I think you'll understand the appeal.
>>29082727BMW>grumpy_face_wojak.jpgBMW, with triangle>pointing_amazed_wojak.jpg
>>29081547Have you actually seen one in the flesh? they look stunning, nothing like the pics
>>29082742Heckin' clown shoe.
>>29082842>implying this isn't looking like a fucken lead sled with those staggered meatybois tucked into the guards
>>29082849Gawrsh, Mickey! Thanks!
>>29081669E46 actually grew on me a little.The E60 on the other hand i have a hard time getting enough of. Absolutely hated it the first time i saw it but these days its like that bad guy you look forward to seeing in the movies.
>>29081642>penis carsI dont understand this visualisation. Are the balls on top or something?
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>>29081547i also never really understood the whole beautiful car thing with these. they just look funny
>>29082388>I am Br*tish (from bloody Birmingham)>and living in MuttlandI am so sorry for your loss.
>>29083283Basically long front and no trunk, like a penis. Ask the troon Jannies/mods, they can take a break from grooming children, literally all day, I hope the FBI arrests those pesos.
>>29081595Agree
>>29081642>BMW E36I liked the coupe model, but the sedan looked awkward and the compact was hideous. I've read it was designed as a coupe from the start which is why the sedan looked so awkward, but that would really strange way of starting the design so idk if that's true.
>>29083517quite a few classic burger cars were like this too, they were designed as a two-door first, so the four door sedans would look weird, iirc the chevy bel-air was such a car.
>>29082141Agree, but don't tell my friend. He has '59 Eldo's and is obsessed with them.This M2 gets glazed on this board. Fucking ugly
these are just so plain looking i never understood why people love these so much. '86 - '91... literally every car in that era looks better than this. a 1991 grandmas caprice to me looks better than the bimmer halo car
>>29081642strong disagree and i really want a wagon from this gen
>>29082717Wrong Miura
>>29083618ok but what if you give it racing wheels and put a cigarette brand logo on the side?
>>29082388>The tail looked like that of an Australian cattle dog, rather than an AMThe Kamm tail started with the DB6 and continued onto the VH Vantage to increase downforce without spoilers - because they only spoil things
>>29083608Does it? Because it's hainous. BMW hasn't made a good looking car for over 2 decades.
>>29083608This car has no redeeming features. Notice how the amount of bodywork over the front and rear wheels makes the rear wheels look smaller? That's a common problem that some stylists try to make - but not BMW. The front grille/nosecone looks planted on and doesn't seem to follow the downward curve of the hood, as though it's from a different model. Those stupid-looking square lower cooling intakes that jut forward. There's a weird combination of angular features and curves, as if it carries a Demon Tweeks bodykit. And the bulge in the hood line - I know it's for PedPro, but guys! Some manufacturers don't just bulge the bonnet to give crush space.The whole thing is incoherent. It was as if it was the stylists first job and it sneaked out into production without ever getting a design review.Thank you for reading my blog.
>>29083737>*make = maskfuckfuckfuck
>>29082849It's hard to call it beautiful when the Daytona Coupe exists as the pinnacle of this style of car.
>>29083742Without the Gurney flap would be better (but then it'd fall off the racetrack)
>>29083747I disagree. It breaks up the silhouette in a nice way and is part of what sets the design apart from something like the E-type
>>29083752>Gurney flapThe trouble is your AI model (I assume) in making the modification has also changed the rear screen and blackout line, making the rear body look heavier now. There's even more aluminium above the rear wheelarch crease line where it runs towards the tail
>>29083754Ignore the >Gurney flapI'd just cut and pasted it for something else I was doing and my browser inserted it into that post without me noticing. My bad
>>29083754You got me to shop it manually lolI still think it works better with it.
>>29083759Of course the AI does a better job lol
>>29083761Except it doesn't, if you look at the glass and blackout line.. Your manual job is better, but there's still a kink at the tail behind the glass - follow the roof line down to the tail using a sweep curve (and you'll have no idea what a "sweep" is - old-school body drafting tool before CAD)
>>29083770Quick and dirty is the best you're gonna get out of me.It's early
>>29083622A rare thing, I've only ever seen a handful of them on the road and never seen one for sale (though I think my country didn't get many to start with).
>>29083415Could be worse, I know a German who lived in South Africa before coming here. We usually meet up and work on each others cars/trucks.>>29083712I guess that makes sense. I just have always not been a fan of spoilers on standard road going cars. Yes, I am particular and weird.>>29083649I have always disliked that sort of wheels. I know I sound difficult to please, but I have always preferred wheels with larger hubs.
>>29082201Who did it better
>>29083608>This M2 gets glazed on this board. Fucking uglyThat's just one guy, the one spamming UDM posts
>>29081547It's a blob with lots of random lines and edges that don't flow with each other at all
>>29084305>Uganda>Domestic>Market
>>29084317Such a high quality interior to match
>>29084317>>29084323>top speed of 85/kph>0-100kph in 11 secondsbased
>>29084307i actually like these until you get to the fugly rear
>>29083608they didn't even bother to make the front bumper match the hood shape KEK
>>29084324>hank hill, the car
>>29084265>I just have always not been a fan of spoilers on standard road going cars. Yes, I am particular and weird.I agree, but I will relate a cautionary tale I'm sure you're aware of. Remember the original Audi TT? All Bauhaus design and almost symmetrical in side profile? Remember how they had to recall them to graft an obvious, aftermarket-looking spoiler on the trailing edge of the rear deck to stop them falling off autobahn bends at speed because of rear-end lift? Be careful what you wish for.Vorsprung durch Technik re-written as Gefahr durch Stil
>>29084338?
>>29084799NTA but just look at the front hood shut-line to the nose-cone
>>29081547Everything Lamborghini ever made
>>29082892top kek
>>29082740But when people talk about the E-Type they always refer to the classic look of the street car and not some racing version.
>>29084317>>29084323>>29084324It's so ass it wraps back around to being kinda awesome
>>29084338Not to defend modern BMWs design practices, but being too rigid about lining things up is not necessarily a good thing.
>>29084799>>29084902matte one illustrates it better, the curvature of the hood isn't matched by the front bumper which looks like it's for a completely different car, it's even more noticeable in person
>>29084902I can see you know nothing of automotive design. The examples you post are for 2D graphic design. You'll be talking about serif and kerning next
>>29084902>>29084931kek
>>29084899Whenever I see people talk about the E-type looks they're always posting the Enzo quote.Which version do you think Enzo, the guy who only sold street cars so he could fund his racing, was thinking about?
>>29085099There is no proof Enzo ever said that anyway
>>29085099If he did it was allegedly about when the car was launched, so it would be a 3.8 M1 "flat floor"
I never got the appeal of LFA, even the Zupra looks better.>>29082727The Giulia is the best looking mass produced car of the 21st century, it shows that modern cars can look good with a bit of effort.
>>29085181It's the coolest sounding car ever and that's like 90% of the appeal. Other than that it's just an overpriced meh looking supercar.
>>29085188It's sounds like an overvolted sewing machine.
>>29081642I owned a brand new one from '98. Wonderful car.The headlights didn't age well, though.
The proportions always seemed wonky to me
>>29086116Slightly bulbous but otherwise my favorite BMW
