Every "cheap" Honda Civic, Toyota, or otherwise reliable Japanese car is ridiculously expensive. It costs $15,000+ for a decade-old Honda Civic with 80,000 miles? I thought these cars were supposed to be cheap and reliable, but that's not cheat at all. This isn't cherrypicked, it's every listing
>>29084835I may as well buy a fucking Audi for these prices, for cheaper actually. Similar years, similar mileage, seems to me the "reliable Japanese car" market has been massively inflated.
>>29084835>>29084838Ew, nah I'll take the civic. Reliable but gay and slow is better than just gay and slow
>>29084840Not the point. Why does it cost more than the Audi? I get that the Civic is reliable but it's a fricken CIVIC.These Toyota Corollas cost more than similar Audis by year and mileage. Why? Why the fuck does a Corolla cost more than Audi and other upscale brands? The Japanese reliable car market is massively overpriced, this is ridiculous.
>>29084842If they were upscale they would cost more
>>29084842Because Audi and every other euro brand sucks dick. They're only "upscale" due to mass advertising tricking normies. There's no ads for used cars, so actual market value takes over.
if it's a dealership selling a used toyota/honda they know some indian will come along and buy it at any price
>>29084835>>29084838This is why I bought a used Mercedes E400 a few months ago.
>>29084852I get that. Honda and Toyota are the "reliable" brands etc... But still, aren't these prices ridiculous? I may as well pay an extra $5,000 and buy a brand new civic with 0 mileage at this point. Isn't it overinflated to some degree? My theory is that midwits search online>Most reliable carAnd ofc these are the brands the midwits now buy. 10-20 years ago once were reasonably priced reliable cars are now priced 2x used what they should be due to mass information on the internet.>>29084856Exactly, I'd rather buy a less mileage greater year Lincoln. Do I care about leather seats, fancy speakers, remote start, heated seats, etc...? Not really, but I may as well (and it's cheaper).
>>29084861>Exactly, I'd rather buy a less mileage greater year Lincoln.enjoy that paperweight in 5 years time lmao
>people want cheap reliable cars>people buy cars known for being cheap and reliable >as demand rises so does price>eventually the cheap reliable cars are no longer cheap and depending on how old and/or poorly maintained no longer reliable either>people keep buying them because of inertia, it takes a decade for normies to catch up to where the "good value" is
>>29084867You described the phenomenon perfectly. A shame, I blame the internet.
>>29084861I was trying to buy a 2017 Lincoln Continental, but the used car dealer was asking Mercedes money for it, so I went with an actual Mercedes.
>>29084842vagshit is garbage
This is the cheat code
>>29084852basically>>29084861zero resale value, because they suck, people who buy them dont maintain them (care only about image).people who buy Japanese are usually realer car guys. They care about maintenence more. german and similar cars are bought by posers. They will dump all on wheels and coilovers and never change oil on time.Its simply often a "substance vs looks" crowd. Japanese cars usually are either babied by fellow men of culture, or abused down to last bolt by entire family for myriad of uses.AND STILL they show up every day willing to go thru more of it.Japanese cars are golden retrivers, they are simply happy to be driven and have fun with you.other cars are like pits. Maybe look cool but also will turn on you and you wont ever know why.In last decade, Toyota fixed their designs, so you cant even moan about them looking ugly.
>>29084835I hear good things about Kias too if J tax is too much.Civic with 100k km is basically unused. Its a new car that was tested for baby faults. If it was maintained well.Change oil every 7k km on Civic and it will run until next Yuga. Do rust protection on it and it will run until next big bang.Normal car math doesnt work on Japanese cars.
>>29084861Get a 2016-2020. The earlier ones had some transmission bugs. You want Japanese reliability, there you go. The mkz and fusion hybrids use a Mazda engine and a Toyota transmission, or at least the designs are. A lot of people use these as taxis/ubers/gig cars and they regularly climb into the upper 100ks. The reception is so overwhelmingly positive that I actually bought one of the last remaining ones in the country with a 4dig odo. Had to get it shipped but it was still 10k less than a camry with the same miles.
>>29084842Luxury shit depreciates more, and at that age eurogarbage will cost you thousands more in repair
>>29084998This. My neighbor has apparently gotten 450,000 km (280k mi) out of his 18 year old Corolla with mostly just oil changes he's done himself. The thing's got some dents and surface rust and recently needed a new battery, but it works.Audi's made decent cars by accident every once in a while, but many VAG cars would have needed several major overhauls by that point.
>>29084861You're still alive, Lincoln schizo?
>>29084911I actually prefer the first generation's charmingly stupid Pontiac styling, so it doesn't even feel like a cope.
>>29084835Everyone has caught on except /o/
>>29084835Have you tried not being a broke ass?
>>29085929Not the point dumbass, plus I'm richer than you.
>>29084838If you can wrench or pay for maintenance yeah. Otherwise those Audis and Mercs are money sinks. Jap market is inflated yes but not by that much. Supply and demand etc.
>>29084842Because you could buy a Civic with 200k miles and have it last longer than a lot of brand new cars (assuming they really are as reliable as their predecessors)
>>29084835I did the reverse inflation thing a while back when I was shopping around and iirc the price a new civic is basically the same as it was 12 years ago.
>>29084835You're supposed to be looking at ones from before 2013
>>29086163Why buy an old 2013 120,000 mile Civic when you can buy a 60,000 mile 2018 Chevy or Ford? It's not equal, it's skewed far too heavily in favor of Japanese. The pendulum has swung too far.
>>29084838Awful idea. A 15k Honda/Toyota is equivalent to a 10k regular car like a Focus or a Cruze. You're making choices between reliability and sticker price.
>>29086177I tend to agree with current Toyota/Honda tax but then you also have the option of an used Mazda 3.
>>29084835youre supposed to buy it new and drive it for 15-20 yearsgetting a used one is retarded it ends up costing pretty much the same
>>29084861>>29084842>>29084835>>29084838Looks like you are picking stealerships. That's probably part of the issue.
>>29084835>Why are cars known for lasting a long time without issues so expensive?Wow OP, truly a mystery.
>>29084917>In last decade, Toyota fixed their designs, so you cant even moan about them looking ugly.Their recent design languages have been horrid. There was nothing wrong with pic rel.
>>29086177There are few viable years for chevy or ford compact cars. Focus was good until they put that dct and ruined it for the better part of a decade. Nothing wrong with the Duratec engines themselves since they are essentially jap designed mazda engines that last over 300k miles with maintenance.Chevy hasn't made a compact car for over a decade and what they have are Daewoos with less quality than Hyundai/Kia, engines blow up just the same.
>>29084835Get a Mazda.
>>29084835They flooded the country with 30-40 million brown third worlders the last 4 years and gave them all drivers licenses.
>>29084842That's cause you're going to have to pay 10k to get the timing belt replaced on your 100k mile audi because they have to pull the engine out because of the retarded design. Really BMW is the way to go if you get an older "luxury" car. You need to get additional hex sockets, but everything in the engine bay goes together like legos. Surprisingly my e46 was one of the easiest cars to work on. And I had to work on it A LOT lol. Then I sold it and bought a civic.
Don't buy the 1.5 turbo for Hondas and id even he hesitant with the hybirds at this point; they doubled the warranty for both going back to like 2016 recently, which isn't a good sign
>>29084911You pilfered my posts.Then you didn't even bother to explain WHY to choose this vehicle.
>>29088566that's a shit carreliability means nothing if it means driving a crappy uncomfortable and ugly car
>>29088569>that's a shit carIt's NOT a shit car, mechanically-speaking.>reliability means nothing if it means driving a crappy uncomfortable and ugly carIt clearly means nothing to you, so move along, as affordability and reliability clearly aren't a priority to you..
Agreed. They're a ripoff, I've seen cars that where $15,000 when I was 20 go for $50,000 only a few years later, except now they have twice the mileage.I also have it on good authority a lot of the shortage on some of the more common sports car models eg Supra Automatics are not as scarce as exporters would have you believe. Unless its say a super rare GTR-RS or something for every car they claim to have there at least 2 or 3 more in storage in the same or better condition and another 10 that are in good mechanical order.The entire JDM "shortage" is bs, most of those cars owned by normies are removed from the country and exported because it costs less to own never vehicles in most prefectures. The gouging has actually put me off owning a lot of vehicles I could easily afford.
>>29088581UglyMechanically susPractically zero resaleLook unless you buy that as a beater to and from work or school don't buy that you'll be stuck with it or risk selling it as a wreck in 2-3 years time.
Everything made in the last 15 years is a piece of shit. No exceptions.
>>29084835Greedflation, applies to the private market too. Everyone is broke and thinks their old used junk is finally going to pull them out of debt.
>>29084835they used to be cheap until about 2014 or so when the jeets' and spics' average collective intelligence increased due to the widespread availability of smartphones allowing them to target and purchase all the cheap $1,000 shitboxes from rich white neighborhoods. now theres no more, you might find a $3,000 hyundai fwd suv or something but you will never find a running and driving honda civic for $1000 ever again
>>29088514there's a nigga on youtube with 700k miles on it>inb4 he replaced engines 3 timesI already read that boomer cope, honda offered extended 7 years warranty even in 2017 btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5pin2fxglwThis video describes why, I get it now."Cash for Clunkers" destroyed the used car market, it was the government's fault for being "ecofriendly." Stupid fucks.
>>29096770Cash for clunkers removed 700,000 cars from the market, or in other words about .3% of cars in the past 20 years total for the US.In fact it didn't even affect several types of cars, like trucks, not because of regulation but simply because nobody gave up their truck to clash for clunkers.
"reliable japanese car" is a normie meme which increases demand aka prices figure it out nigger.
Lol freind of mine just had ther Toyota Rav4 catch fireDriver door window switch2008
>>29098743Exactly, it's paying the Toyota Tax for marginally more reliability. I'm about to buy a Gen 4 Mazda 3 instead after doing research.>Better interior>Funner to drive>Japanese-tier reliabilityHell there's a Miata general up 24/7, Mazda must be doing something right
>>29096825i wonder how much the perception of "so many" cars affected pricrs though, like how people panic bought toilet paper during the peak of the covid lockdowns which drove prices right up, despite the manufacturers telling everyone that there was absolutely no need for that because there was more than enough to go around.
>>29087432Dont forget they export used cars to there family back home too
>>29096825This while c4c was stupid it was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things further most of that money was used to buy Toyotas and Hondas which were good cars back then
>>29096858how common is it to replace a bcm on a japanese carbecause i keep having to replace them on american cars
You voted for this unironically. You can thank your orange clown for shitting on the economy, shitting on the trade relations with Japan, kneeling to techbros that want to force an EV only dystopia, and sucking off CCP politicians. Now shut up and buy your Teslappliance.
>>29084924A civic with 100k miles is about to shit itself to death if the timing isn't done immediately though.
I'm shocked nobody just buys an acura or a Lexus. They're often totally cheaper and way better in just about every way. Particularly because they're boomer cars and people service the shit out of them at a licensed dealer. My MDX SH-AWD is fun as shit. Waaaaaaay better than a Honda Pilot. I bought it for 11.5 with like 130k miles. 2014. Timing and water pump just done for a second time 10k miles ago. Rear screen. Bose sound system. Hands free link. DVD player. 50 more HP than a pilot. Torque vectoring in turns. Multiple drive settings and settable driver preferences. Seat warmers and back coolers. A steering wheel heater. Maintained like it came out of an antique store. Comparable Pilots with like 230k? Holy shit people ask like 16k or more. Highly recommended.
>>29084838You have to remember every little repair and maintance will cost 5-10x as much as on a Honda or Toyota.
>>29084835>*is reliable and cheap in your path*>intentionally keeping it simple>maintenance is easyIt is your fault that they left the US market. Yes YOU anon specifically, for being part of a nation addicted to trucks and SUVs.
>>29104564Who?
>>29105430The second-bestselling car brand in Japan.
>>29105437Literally who?
>>29084835Economy is not getting better dog, bite the bullet now so you don't have to eat the whole gun 10 years from now. Owning a personal car is going to be considered a luxury in the future and the government won't have an answer for how people make a living with no wheels or sharing one car between a family of 8-14.
>>29106576They make motorcycles but I always liked kawasaki and honda way better
>>29106595Mortgage rates are at 7.6%, interest rates are increasing which means subprime loans are coming to an end. Exactly like 2008 all over again.The problem was always loans being handed out to the cattle. Mortgages, cars, student loans, etc... If you can't afford it, you SHOULDN'T be able to buy it. We're in for some mass layoffs with AI making most jobs redundant. And when they're laid off, forced to foreclose/sell their $50,000 truck they NEVER should've owned, prices will come down.If you seriously believe this is sustainable: 5 years from now inflation will make every homeowner a millionaire and a new F150 will cost $100,000, you're insane. Interest rates are finally increasing, mass layoffs are coming. I'm tired of the bullshit HR/Management jobs, they need to be CULLED.
get a manual ford retard
Its amazing how much normies have gaslit themselves into thinking that a bestselling mid spec German car is cripplingly expensive
>>29106617KEK, I just watched 'The Big Short' last night. This time it's worse. My mortgage company filed for bankruptcy last year, and I've been following the markets for the last 20 years or so.
>>29106617I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under, but everyone in California with a house is a millionaire and trucks are close to 100k depending on the trim. You can take that as an example of what at least 5 years ahead of whatever shithole you live in looks like, yet most people there have a car even though the state makes it very expensive. There are other problems with the future, but they don’t have to do with cars.
