>need a car before fall/winter hit>decide to look for something that isn't on it's last leg >don't want anything big just good A->B and around town thing>FB/craigslist market place all cars below 7500 are shit>find something okayish ask about accidents, smoke, pets >"naw senpai we keep dat shit clean(pfp has vaping in the car) I got a pit but he was chill">find some boomer selling a civic will not budge on price ask for OD pic 228k miles will not take a pic under the car for rust>want to inspect one car before looking "y u gotta axe for so many pics? It's a car it runs">go to some used car dealers>everything is dogshit under 10k 11-13k is what's acceptable as a baseline, no chance of simple freebies like changing the oil or battery out before purchase even with the car having +100k mi>try to haggle the price if I pay in cash get shut down>muse some with doing a payment plan, I guess having a credit score that starts with an 8 is bad because some dealers just asked "why you shopping for that car with a score like that man? We can get you something nice">go to look for a new car to say fuck it>Nissan Versa or Kia K4 new>inb4 lel nissan lel kia>without much pushback all willing to go down to 22k+warranty+state inspections/emessions without a hassle throw in free oil changes for 3 years if I sign on the dotted line 0% interest for 12 months>nothing in the paperwork has pay off early penalties so I can negate interestAt this point I'm just about pull the trigger, what the absolute fuck happened? I thought the "used car market" meme was just that, a meme by lazy fucks not looking hard. Didn't realize it was that bad, am I missing someplace to look? First time back in the market in over a decade.
Sounds like you live in niggerville. Look for more than a week. Around here it goes in waves right now the used market it pretty good, lots of 5-10k options with under or around 100k miles. Ignore the obvious problem signs like brown faces, Spanish ads, black names, etc.
i bought a 2005 echo with 130k miles for 1.5k the other day off some japanese guy. what a weirdo. anyways good shitbox.
>>29089329Hope it lasts you another 570k, very boring, mundane, and predictable miles.
>>29089173Used car buyers are going to be utterly up shit creek in the not-too-distant future. Newer cars aren't going to be able to survive long enough to become cheap shitboxes.
Had to find a car quickly for my sister last month. Searched CarSales.com (Aussie site) and searched for cars over 10oookm (so no old stock, dealer demos, etc) sorted by low kms first. At 55,ooo km we found a 2017 Honda HRV at a local Subaru dealer for Au$15900. Checked it out and bought it that day. Not a car I'd buy, but she likes it.
>>29089530shopping for women and retards is easy because they will drive anything that has good AC and bluetooth
>>29089173everything used is that bad. there's an epidemic of retards thinking everything they own is an "investment" and they should get more for it now than they paid new
>>29089552Most of the listed cars I looked at under Au$20K were micro cars, Chinese or Korean. I thought I did okay finding a clean Honda. Of note, there was a cool RHD Chrysler Crossfire ragtop, but she wouldn't bite at that.
>>29089173Apparently these scam dealerships stopped posting these sales because they've gone viral for being scams lol
>>29089555>there's an epidemic of retards thinking everything they own is an "investment" and they should get more for it now than they paid newThe irony is my car has appreciated. Brought it for 25k a decade ago and it's now valued at 30. Local dealership has offered me 2.7 part-ex. Tempted but I know what I've got and it's never given me trouble.
>be me>need a daily>dad finds e91 an hour away with 236k kilos>its a small used car dealer ran by single dude.>drive the car, runs fine>shows me the ad he got the car from>shows me how much he paid for it(3k)>tells me whats wrong with the car and how much i can expect to pay for repairs>3k for a car that has been good for the last 2.5 yearsThanks small car dealer.
>Be me>Buy clapped out old ferd pickups off marketplace and craigslist. >Non running? No problem! I'll trailer that shit home. >Buy them cheap and fix them up at my kick ass farm shop and drive them from then on.Feelsgoodman.
>>2908969625k a decade ago is like 50k now though
Look for a manual fiesta, non ST.
>>29089669>Apparently these scam dealerships stopped posting these sales because they've gone viral for being scams lolThe problem was that they somehow managed to be even scammier and slimier than the Hollywood portrayal of a slimy 1980s used car salesman.When reality surpasses the hyperbole of fiction, there's something called business ethics, something they clearly skipped school when it happened.>>29092407>Thanks small car dealer.Man, I wish I had that opportunity. For me, it was this:>be me>need a daily after car wreck>find a cheap minivan>it's mechanically fine but treated like a bumper car>i know this dealer is going to do something illegal>get the invoice>tons of unspecified fees and forced services>i let them justify it>thanks for your offer, but you're going to remove those fees and I'll tell you why>tell them that they broke the following laws on this invoice and to remove it>tell them to sell this car with only mandatory fees or i will file a state attorney general and automotive dealer division complaint with the paperwork they gave me>i'm basically threatening a guaranteed $50k statutory fine over a $2k car>they hand me a sanitized invoice>still says $40 of "other fees">tell them to itemize everything on that fee schedule>$40 of "other fees" turns into $36.26 of "credit card vendor fees">mfw I somehow literally nickeled and dimed them of $3.74>they're fucking hating me at this point>sign for car with only mandatory fees and taxesI hate car dealers so much. I shouldn't have to turn a car buying experience into a literal sting operation.
>get relocated to the midwest>need a car beater is fine single guy>go shop the used market>SUV's SUV's and trucks everywhere all clogging the sub 10k market>rest of the sub 10k market is absolute trash Korea mobiles or rust buckets>prices are basically all firm they knock off the absurd "399" processing fee>legit thinking of getting a truck and rolling with it till the wheels fall off since that's the 4-6k market still ~150k milesDid covid magically Thanos snap the used car market or something? I have no more than a couple, like 10 round trip, to go daily. >inb4 biketry the midwest in winter then get back to me
>>29089327Anon, come to the midwest you will know pain.
>>29093208Those prices don't seem that bad??? Pull up some ads from 10 years ago and punch their prices into an inflation calculator. They're not going to very far from the current market. That Saturn would be a solid shitbox if you talked him down to a more reasonable $3500 or so. That things probably a creampuff.
>>29089173Supposedly, Cash for Clunkers drove used car prices up in the US by removing a lot of usable used cars from the supply chain. Even 5 years ago, late model used car prices were only slightly less than new car prices.I think car manufacturer strategies also had an effect. They started this thing about 10 years ago or more where they started increasing the base price on all models and got rid of cheaper base trims. It’s been the case now that new cars are only for rich people, even new Accords and Camrys. If you are poor or a student, you are expected to shop the used market.Cars have also experienced a sudden increase in advanced technology like connectivity and touch screens, although I’m not sure those features had a significant effect on pricing.
>>29093214>10 for a 107k sentra>not badreally?
Mega Motors thread?Mega Motors thread.
>>29093222>although I’m not sure those features had a significant effect on pricing.tech is cheap, but it's as good of an excuse as any to bump the price
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>used cars are fineyeah if I want to look black
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>>29093222C4C did fuck all. The vast majority of vehicles traded in were clapped out pieces of shit on death's doorstep. People were not trading in pristine cars for a $2k cheque. >>29093236The one with 107k is listed for 8 which means you could talk them down to the 7k they actually would take for it. $7k for a ~10 year old econobox that is somewhat trustworthy as a daily is not far off how things were 10 years ago. I really don't know why everybody seems to think that daily drivable (for a normie) vehicles were $500. You have always had to spend $5-10k for something "good".
>>29093257Maybe I'm falling in too deep with the memes but for me always heard shit about used Nissans being a hole in the wallet. been about 14 years since I car shopped not sure about anything anymore lol
>>29093222>it's definitely not the protestants running the show today that are making everything expensive today>it was OBAMA!!!!!!!!!ok man.
>>29093301ive only heard this about financing them. theres so many clapped out nissans on the road because they are "reliable" and will work forever with minimal or incompetent maintenance
>>29089530>55,ooocan ya fuckin not
>>29093188new cars are too expensive so the number of buyers of used cars has grown
>>29093305Fair, maybe that's what I am getting conflated on my lookings. Wouldn't care with a cheap nissan since my main use case would be food/gym/errands/etc; everything in a 10 mi radius.
buyers for cars under "7500" as you say or in my experience 5k (i sell cars for a living) are extremely picky and its not worth the time or effort to sell to them so I, and I assume everyone else just sells them to the big dealerships which offer almost the same as what niggers on facebook will offer
>>29093257You’re right about the vehicles being old, but a lack of older vehicles will still increase prices on younger vehicles because the people who would have bought those older vehicles are forced into the market of younger vehicles. Used prices going up also make new car prices go up since the dealers know that more people will be interested in new cars when used cars are almost as expensive.
>>29093222We've been exporting a good chunk of our used vehicles for years now. C4C definitely started the trend, the $500 market at the time was entirely eliminated and it never returned. All of my brothers got $500 beaters for high school which I got to watch evaporate right as I turned 16.>>29093324Used is becoming a shitty option in almost every respect. I bought new last time, and honestly I probably will yet for the foreseeable future unless I get a deal on a classic.
Ah the kind of specimens that call you poor online or tell you "just finance it G".Amazing this shits legal.
>>29093222I personally prioritize cars without screens, less to go wrong. I'm not some "boomer" either given I'm in my 30s.
>>29093249Holly heck they saw him coming.
>>29093087>I hate car dealers so much. I shouldn't have to turn a car buying experience into a literal sting operation.shit man I feel ya, we do have also our share of shady one man sized dealers here.i just got lucky with my bmwalso i guess in our case our dealers make do by just rolling back the odo and hiding defects.like my coworker wanted to buy another bmw and while the car was mechanically mint turns out the chassis was fucked and they just slapped bondo over the exteriorif my coworker didint had paint thickness gauge he wouldve been none the wiserive also had some bad experience trying to buy cars from private people>find base model e87>call the guy, tells me the car had small accident on rear end so bondo is peeling there.>we agree the time when to check the car(its an apartment complex basically)>see the car in person>it is clear someone rearended the car and pushed into the front since the front panels dont align.>call the owner about test drive.>hits me with "i cant come down cause i need to look after a kid"(to be fair i did hear a kid)>tell him fine then can we agree when i could take the car to a mechanics shop and have it inspected better.>hits me with"its already a cheap car and i have loads of people calling me about it"ended up finding another nicer E87 i contemplated buying but then dad found the e91 i ended up getting.
>>29089173shit nigga. thats over 24k for this piece of shitmy friend bought a crash damaged 2024 audi a3 and fixed it up for less.i know that these stealerships rely on repoing the cars but do these retards never pick up a calculator to check the total?
>>29093250you live in coastal virginia dumbassit doesn't matter what color you are, you are still a nigger
>>29093324giwtwm
>>29094091Moral of the story, miracles happen, one way or another, but you have to stick to your guns to get it.With that said, I did enjoy making that car salesman sweat bullets and shit bricks. I asked him for his business card, he said he ran out. I don't get his full name... Smart move. I also don't receive the spam emails that other people get shoved in their inbox to buy another car from their franchise stores again. They clearly don't want me back... Smart move.I think every consumer should be savvy to all of this, and turn themselves back into customers. The laws exist, but the onus is on the citizen to exercise these laws. The sledgehammers are incredibly powerful if you build a good case.
>>29093208>Gluck, TX
>>29093239>wreckers lined up in the back ready for some heavy repo'ing
>>29093222Finding ways to blame C4C for everything has become an /o/ meme. While C4C didn't help, what really kicked the shit out of used car availability, and therefore pricing, since then was new car production being down by 10 to 20 million units over multiple years as a result of the Great Financial Crisis. This had only just started to stabilize with new production numbers having surpassed scrappage sufficiently to mostly fill the hole in used car availability when COVID kicked the shit out of new car production again.
>>29094539based anon.fuck these kinds of people.
>>29093222>Supposedly, Cash for Clunkers drove used car prices up in the US by removing a lot of usable used cars from the supply chain.C4C destroyed several thousands of cars that were sold in the millions, it's effect was negligible
>anon is still waiting
>>29089347That would imply new car buyers are fucked too because the future models will never last. Anyway thebfuture is a subscription model to self driving car companies. The private sector is FINALLY gonna compete with public transportation at their own industry.
>>29094789>The private sector is FINALLY gonna compete with public transportation at their own industry.Didn't Uber/Lyft already do this?
>>29093303Dude.. IT FUCKING WAS OBAMA that started the bullshit.. I remember being a kid trying to afford a used car back then, and AFTER cash for clunkers, your 750-1k cars were now 2k cars.. And of course in TYPICAL idiot gov fashion, they didn't auction the cars, they didn't pull parts to resell to recoup profits, they killed the engines and destroyed the cars... There were TOOOOOONNNNS of good working automobiles... just about as stupid as the douches who inherit valuable and nice firearms from dad, uncle, grandpa, etc. and turn them into a 'buyback' for a 20 dollar chillis gift card and the knowledge that iM sToPpInG cRiMe with a gun that would otherwise never be shot.. or could have gone to someone who would appreciate it.
>>29094790Well its not being done in all markets. Once it does then why even own a car when the cost of Uber Self Driving cars will be cheaper than ownership, insurance, parking of a goymobile loaded with spyware.
>>29094912>he thinks the auto industry literally never created an aggregate surplus of ~500k cars to offset cash for clunker losses over the period 2009 through 2026
>>29094737Yes, I see your point.I suspect that the financial crisis in 2008 also made a lot of people that normal shop the new market instead look to the used market to save a few bucks and that might have increased demand for used cars as well. As for COVID, production numbers were down, and at the same time people also got checks from the government. I’m sure that an increase in the money supply also drove up prices to some degree.
>>29094918Likely not for the 50 million "immigrants" that also bought cars.
>>29093536>We've been exporting a good chunk of our used vehicles for years now.funny you mention this: list a nice used toyota/honda and see how many brown/black people try to buy it to send it to central america or west africa. 2x if its a manual. not enough people mention this, but im sure you've seen the car trains where you see a bunch of used cars going from auction to the us/mexico border if you live in a border state.>>29094912a lot of the stuff that got traded in was shit like 90s suvs. explorers, panther cars, durangos, etc. anything with a 4 cylinder was entirely exempt. i think people also forget its not 2010. a lot was lost from attrition due to mechanical issues or rust. normies or most people for that matter aren't going to do a headgasket on a 240k mile accord....its going to get traded in for a new car and that dealership is gonna send it to auction where it'll go for scrap value.
>>29093188Where in the midwest?
>>29093208>/o/ is meming so hard about the midwest they claim Texas in it now
>>29094759The issue was what vehicles were destroyed, though. Trucks, for instance, weren't often traded in. It was the cheap but reliable cars from the late 90s and early 2000s that got traded in, and it was done by people that weren't financially in a bad state in the first place.In other words it robbed the used market of about 700,000 cheap sedans and compacts that were sorely needed on the used market shortly after they were destroyed.
>>29096716no one was trading in compacts though. for a car to be eligible it had to get 18mpg combined or less. even something like a nissan maxima or toyota avalon got 21mpg combined. your average civic/corolla got 26-30mpg.majority of what was crushed was 90s suvs, vans, and full size v8 cars. very few v6s, maybe the gm 4.3 v6 trucks (astro van, base silverados)
>>29089327>Sounds like you live in niggervilleAgreed, he should move out of the US
>>29089173Immigrants that were imported by the millions were given around $12,000 each to help them get on their feet. That's how they all bought cars. That steady surge in demand unleashed hell on the used-car market, and simply bid up the prices for all used cars. You can't even buy a cheap beater work truck now without paying three times more than you would in the past.
>>29093208>>29094540>Gluckthats the sound my boyfriend makes in me >w<
