Change my mind.
>>29089623No, it was SUVs that ruined cars.Back in the day, "SUV" meant a genuine off-roader like a Wrangler or Land Cruiser ,but in 2026 the term is applied to raised FWD hatchbacks.
>>29089628Technically it still is a sport utility vehicle. That sport just isn't offroading anymore.
>>29089623>"Hot" Hatches ruined carsThe general public ruined cars. If the general public all went out and bought sports cars, that's what manufacturers would prioritise building.
>>29089628Only one of the cars on the left is an SUV
>>29089623>no elaboration or explanation at all
>>29089628>sneaking a Kia on the leftNice try
>>29089654Does there need to be?
>>29089680Of course
>>29089623Women ruined cars by "needing" a new crossover every other year
>>29089685This is the actual truth. The more say women get in car purchases, the uglier and safer they have to be
>>29089628>offroad terrain
>>29089628This actually isn't true at all. Back in "the day", the term SUV didn't exist. Wranglers were just called Jeeps. Jeep was used for every Jeep-like vehicle until it was trademarked. Then they were just called 4 wheelers or 4x4s. Toyota called the Land Cruiser a station wagon, Ford and Dodge used 4x4 and truck interchangeably. The first "SUV" was the Jeep Cherokee. The term was used to distinguish it from the Wagoneer, called the Wagoneer because cars like it were called wagons.
>>29089683Small ugly blob cars but it's ok because horsepower number
>>29089654Hot hatches were the beginning of marketing actual downgraded bullshit as "sporty and better." From v8 rwd sedans to hideous FWD 4 cylinder bulbous shaped cars. Millennial consumers ate up the marketing for these hot hatches. "It's not one of those boring RWD sport sedans, it's the patricians choice!"
>Behold, a pale horse
>29089(777)>>a biblical quote on prophercyIt begins.
>stop liking what I don't like A tale as old as 4chan
>>29089629What about the utility part?
>>29089623>>29089753>>29089756Ok but what if someone>can't afford a Mustang>needs something more practical than a Miata>wants a sports car
>>29089845You get an older used mustang/camaro
>oh my god is that a small lightweight car making 200-300 horsepower while still getting decent fuel efficiency on a reliable engine with massive aftermarket support so I can have fun but still go to the grocery store or commute to work with it?>cars will never recover, it's so over
hot hatches are based
>>29089853>Ford Maverick or Escape>200hp hybrid>40-50mpg>Utility of small SUV or small truck>Engine and trans are known to hit 300k miles in NYC taxi cabs>Aftermarket is limited to cosmetic stuff, atkinson engines don't do much with modsLet me guess, you don't want a hybrid Ford because it doesn't make fart noises and you can't "have fun" shifting gears during your commute or doing errands making it a not good vehicle?
>>29089865No I don't want a Ford because they generally suck at making vehicles regardless of the year, model, or objective purpose. I would literally rather rebuild a chevy every week.
>>29089865I don't want a hybrid Ford, especially an Escape with a useless bed, because I'm not a flaming faggot.
>>29089865>you don't want a hybrid Ford because it doesn't make fart noises and you can't "have fun" shifting gears during your commute or doing errands making it a not good vehicle?Yes
>>29089851rwd makes them unpractical if you have any snow. sure you can get snow tires but most people dont have time or money to be swapping tires
>>29089623Hot hatches arose from the ashes of what truly ruined cars
>>29089868>>29089870>Identifies a vehicle based on description>NO NOT THAT ONE>>29089874Fair, but lets not pretend manuals are the deciding factor, and a fart can could be applied to anything. So, see above.
>>29089816Is the storage space and V8 engine not enough utility to you?Also, they don't want you to go out of the city to go off roading so you stay out of the way of their real estate developer friends.
>>29090039>V8 enginelol. lmao, even.
>>29089865>maverickLmao Trugger.
>>29089865I think you missed the fun part of the post. A Maverick or Escape aren't even remotely fun
>>29089853front wheel drive isn't fun, and anything remotely near 300 HP will have massive torque steer. modern civics don't because they aren't lightweight anymore.
>>29090135That's not true, I've got my gfs titanium to rotate enough mid corner to trigger stability control. They're basically a fat Focus ST.
>>29090327Pushing anything to the limit can be fun, but the car itself is extremely dull.
>>29089628cross over utility vehicle innit .eg hatchback on stilts>>29089623na its insurance safety and emissions that killedit
>>29090031...? So are you going to show us what ruined cars?
>>29090495I'm guessing he means the malaise era?
>>29089628>a Wrangler or Land CruiserThey still have those..
>>29090325>front wheel drive isn't funt. Never driven a Renault.
>>29090135>A Maverick or Escape aren't even remotely funCan you explain what is fun about commuting in shitbox (japanese) then?
>>29090596No I cannot explain "fun" to you. And if a compact lightweight manual car and a two ton automatic crossover are equally fun to you then I wouldn't want to ruin that for you. Go have your version of fun.
>>29089623Bro, hot hatches and performance versions of econoboxes were the only thing that kept the car enthusiast culture relevent in the 2000's, otherwise it would have died even earlier.
>>29090598See, you can put new shocks/springs on the Maverick and autocross it even with the Hybrid version. Get 45mpg on the drive back from the track. Maybe pick up 1000lbs of mulch for the garden too. Is this another case of >rowing gears>its not fast, but its quick>a real driver's car>Japanese reliability only requires I regularly repair this 25 year old car>theres so much aftermarket for this car thats older than me, its like adult lego!Just so you're aware, a Maverick only weighs 700 more pounds than that civic hatch. An Escape only weighs 500lbs more. Thats approximately 1-1.2 Americans so I really don't want to hear about your light weight hot hatch that doesn't have a hybrid system, 37 airbags, or modern crash safety.
>>29089853Waste of a good motor putting in it a fwd crossover
>>29090607You're literally strawmanning. I never said anything about the hot hatch in question being Japanese or having aftermarket parts. Just because you "can" autocross something doesn't mean it's fun. I can autocross a Buick Enclave if I wanted to. But if you're trying to tell me you think it's equally as fun to drive a Escape hybrid as it is a Focus ST then you're either lying or retarded.
>>29090618>You're literally strawmanning.Nobody cares about some debate logic nonsense. I asked you to describe the difference and you said no. You're upset nobody cares about your myopic shitbox.
>>29089623*hybrid crossover blocks your path*
>>29090629>Nobody cares about logic. Sadly true. You asked me to describe something subjective and indescribable. I can't describe fun to you. If you think they're equally fun then what can I tell you?
>>29090607I'm not driving a civic hatch either, but 700 lbs is a fuckton of weight difference. You can enjoy your truck man, but please don't try to argue that a hybrid crossover with the back cut off is somehow a drivers car.
>>29090787Don't pretend your hyuandai elantra is a drivers car either. Or a v6 challenger. Or that clapped out miata. >a drivers carsomething /o/ simply cannot define.
>>29090824>hyuandai elantra. Or a v6 challenger. Or that clapped out miataIt's crazy how dependent you are on strawman.
>>29090841Crazy how you won't tell us what your driver's car is.
1970's oil crisis ruined cars. perfect hellstorm of OPEC nations having too much power and the pargest market at the time (US) having the worst government that basically instituted the domination of Trucks and SUVs through "emissions". Be lucky that the current fuel crisis doesn't have a government strong enough to make stupid laws to force car design in one way or another. Europeans are giga fucked to crossover EV hell
>>29090046Forgot about that lmao. I had a durango in my mind.
>>29090855My car doesn't matter. We're talking about the general concept of hot hatches vs non-hot cars.
>>29090327>fat overly tall cuckover is unstable around cornerswow what a flex
>>29090905ohhhhh, you ride a bicycle to campus. Hot hatches aren't real. They're not in the room with you right now, are they?
>>29090957Just in case you're unaware, what's happened is you've given up on your own argument completely. You realized you can't support it and never cared much about it to begin with. But your pride and ego won't let you just give up and walk away. So your last hope for "winning" the argument is to find out what car I drive so you can insult me personally. You've already admitted that you don't care about logic at all so it's known that you're not above using ad hominem. Now even if there had been any chance of me actually revealing which cars I own or have owned, I will now not do that under any circumstances knowing how angry you are. Also inb4 tldr because that's another common strategy your type uses in these situations
>>29090997My argument was always you being a retard. I've won. Moot emailed me and told me I did a good job. The president of cars and doug demuro also sent me texts messages crowning me a winner. I know you don't drive a hot hatch. You can't even define a hot hatch. You cannot even describe what makes a car fun or what specifically has ruined them. You're arguing on emotion like a woman. I'm not angry, I'm right.
>>29091003>You can't even define a hot hatchIt's a hatch got hot in it. Do you know what a hatchback is? Do know what differentiates a sportscars from a normal car? Put those two things together and that's a hot hatch
>>29090855It's a BMW Z4. Used to have a Lotus Elise too before some chick crushed it with her Jeep.
>>29091018Bread on roof is how I know you're a liar and a scoundrel.
>>29090588thank god, frog "cars" are junk.
>>29090477Pushing most CUVs would give you unrelenting understeer and wouldn't be fun. That guy said they are "not even remotely fun" which is untrue. I didn't even mention sliding it in the snow, which is also fun. >>29090929>overly tall>unstableIt's barely bigger than a Focus and is stable enough to purposefully trail brake oversteer. What are you blathering about?
>>29091162>It's barely biggerthat's one way to put it
>>29089623We missed out on some excellent wagons, the Ford Focus Wagon and the Mazda 6 Wagon because of big dummy tards hated wagons. And they killed the magnum those fucking bastards. It would have been amazing with the powertrains that came later.And who knows, maybe we could have seen an Altima wagon.
>>29091201>because of big dummy tards hated wagonsBecause you didn't buy one, did you?
Luv me egg. Shrimple ass that.
>>29092068Do you realize that you are a brown mestizo mexican, if not in genes, but in mind and soul?
>>29091201Ford sold a Focus wagon from '00-'07 in the U.S.>>29091197So you're done pretending it's unstable then? >Car-like crossovers are in, and this Escape may as well be a lifted Focus, because not only does it not look like an old Escape, but it doesn't drive like one, either. I make the comparison to the Focus by way of compliment, not disparagement. One of the Focus' strong suits is its handling, and this new Escape drives very much like a tall Focus. You don't normally expect soccer shuttle crossovers to handle very well, but this one does. Body motion is very well-controlled and the chassis is very difficult to upset, thanks in no small part to Ford's army of computers. On top of traction and stability control, the Escape also gets brake-based torque vectoring and "Curve Control," which brakes the inside wheel in a turn to send power to the outside wheel and pull you around the turn more quickly. If you pay very close attention when pushing the Escape hard into a corner, you can just barely feel it working. It's a slightly odd sensation, but when added to the buttoned-down chassis and grippy tires, a driver of any skill level can feel like a pro. The trade-off is a surprisingly firm ride, which Ford says is intentional. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2013-ford-escape-ecoboost-first-drive
>>29089629the sport is Candy Crush
>>29089623'Crossovers' ruined cars.
>>29089628SUV's are body on frame. They're a truck with another row of seats instead of a bed.
>>29090325>front wheel drive isn't funJust increase the spring rate on the rears and enjoy your lift-off oversteer on demand. Also tends to accidentally increase payload capacity.
>>29089865>1600+ kg
>>29092068genuinely what's wrong with this car that makes the simpletons seeth so much?it's not a massive fucken boat on wheels, it has a nice engine with enough horspower. it has actual all time 4 wheel drive, it looks decent, it turns in a corner, doesn't weigh 3 tons. somehow this makes the esteemed """"""carguy"""""" angryit looks better in black tho, with stock wheels
>>29090607Stop it anon you're pathetic.
>>29093655I think whats pathetic are posters with nonsense demands, undefinable terms, and unrealistic expectations. He wants something fun, no he cannot define what fun is. He wants something cheap, no, $10,000 isn't cheap enough. He wants something reliable, because 1 car every 20 years is all he can afford. Wanting "true drivers car" while driving a buick lesabre. Its why I'm going to recommend the wrong thing because people like him, and you, are retarded and don't even know what they want.
>>29093632For me it's the pretentiousness. Especially back in the day when it was sold alongside the STI,Evo, and Fors, it felt like such a sissy car, the "hot hatch" for people who were too afraid of their car looking or sounding like a real car. Visually they're barely any different from a normal golf, audibly they sound both awful but also very quiet like all new porsches, they're usually optioned as automatic, but then it still had the audacity to be more expensive. It was like the forerunner for "sporty" electric crossovers
>>29093748that's fine but you realize all of that is completely subjective and relative?the golf 8R is objectively fast enough for 99% of people, the DSG is objectively a rapid gearbox and is usable both on track and on daily life, and i do actually see the point of "the car for people too afraid of having a REAL sports car" but you have to remember in the real world not everyone can get a 911 and can afford to sustain it. in addition some people want something that's practical and can fit more than 2 people, while being able to function in summer and winter, while also having a "Decent" mpg and drivable in busy downtowns/cities and long highways. if you are fortunate enough to afford a daily car and a weekend car then for sure the golf R makes no sense, you can just get one of the bajillion SUVs on the market and maybe a dark horse or a 911 or an m2cs etc. but most people(specially in the current economy) gonna have to do with one car to do it all, and a golf R or an FL5 type R is just a better option than being in another ShitUtilityVehicle.
Im pro hatch and wagon but anti SUV and crossover
>>29091586sorry for not buying the few wagons that died before I finished middle school
>>29093968>buick Regal TourX 2020>CTS-V Wagon 2014>Caprice Wagon and Buick Roadmaster 1996>Dodge Magnum wagon 2008>Audi RS6 Avant Current>Audi A4 Allroad Current>Audi A6 Allroad Current>Volvo V60 Wagon CurrentArguably a Kia Stinger was nearly a wagon with the liftback and I'm porbably omitting a couple other wagons and there could be an argument for smaller hatchbacks like a V30, Veloster, and other shit being a 'mini wagon'. What did you end up buying instead?You're about to post saying Audis are too expensive and bad but you cannot explain why. Volvo's are lame and no manuals. Dodges have always been bad. CTS-V wagons are GM and thusly crap and also too expensive. C'mon, give us the cope.
>>29093996I have a manual 2nd gen Legacy GT wagon instead. The only one of those with a manual is the CTS-V, and I don't know how many high schoolers you think could have afforded a ~$65k car at that time or would have been trusted with a CTS-V or even been able to get insured on it in the first place and now they're even more expensive as 15 year old GM products, I am interested in manual swapping a V6 one though. I thought about the TourX but ultimately decided against it because they neutered them here by not selling them here with the LGX V6 that they did sell the wagon with in Australia, they're the LTG turbo 4 only. I'm allergic to German cars with their brittle plastics and dogshit electronics (I do all my own work) so even if they were in the realm of affordability I still wouldn't buy one. I would like a 91-96 B body wagon someday, haven't found the right one for sale yet, preferably for cheap with a blown transmission as an excuse to manual swap it. I'm only interested in older volvos with the engine facing the correct direction.
>>29094002>I don't know how many high schoolers you think could have afforded a ~$65k carThe fuck does a high schooler need a sport wagon for? Or any wagon? Or any brand new car?>I am interested in manual swapping a V6 one thoughSo you just want a manual and any wagon, regardless of age? The fuck is your problem then?>I'm allergic to German cars with their brittle plastics and dogshit electronics (I do all my own work)Shut the fuck up. Do more than read nonsense on japanese companion doll forums. >I would like a 91-96 B body wagon somedayBro you gotta get over 20 years old first. You have no money for dumb bullshit driving dumb cars just for their shape.
>>29089628/thread >>29089623FWD ruined the hot hatch sure there are loads of examples of good FWD hot hatches, but why did they stop offering them in RWD
>>29094009Yes, the entire point is the CTS-V wagon was new (and at its cheapest) when I was in high school and obviously couldn't afford one and had no business being in one to begin with. Now that I do have a real job and new car money, there are no station wagons for me to put my money where my mouth is and buy new, let alone a manual one. I cannot vote with my wallet for what I want because they do not sell what I want, and I was far too young to buy one when they did make them.>Shut the fuck up. Do more than read nonsense on japanese companion doll forums. That's my personal experience wrenching for a living, but go off queen. I'll never spend my own hard earned money, then time and effort fixing some kraut shitheap and you're just going to have to seethe about that. More for you.>So you just want a manual and any wagon, regardless of age? The fuck is your problem then?The problem there is that mostly doesn't exist, even used, except for a handful of cars, one of which I already own. Did you miss the literal first sentence of my prior post?
>>29089623Wrong. Pic related ruined cars.
>>29094076>when I was in high school and obviously couldn't afford one and had no business being in one to begin with.And here you are a decade or two later still pining for $20k wagons.
>>29092068Honestly I love mine as well. Guess fatties seethe about it because it's not a giant Ford F-550 or a RAM 12550 to support their 600lb mistakes in life
>>29094195More like admire from afar because I already have a car that checks the boxes I want and don't need a second wagon when I have one already and it would need to take space I have other not-wagon cars occupying already. If something were to happen to my current wagon I would certainly pursue another.
>>29094206Or if the right one came along and was too good of a deal to pass up, but that hasn't happened yet.
>>29094206>See, I already have the car I really wanted, so why aren't manufacturers making more cars I want more?This is why "car enthusiasts" are complete morons that should always be disregarded whenever they say>why don't they make...>they should really...>If they simply made X, they'd print money!Idiots who'd never buy something if it was sold to them right now because they already have what they actually want and don't really want to buy something else because they're not forced to. Thats how you ended up with "sensible" SUVs competing over the tenth of a cubic square of cargo space, 2MPG differences, and adaptive cruise control. You are in fact the problem.
>>29094211I already have the USED car I want. They do not currently make a NEW car that checks my boxes, that is the problem. >lay off the multibillion dollar company bro, why should they have to make a compelling product to earn my purchase?
>>29094236Nobody really cares about your boxes though. Stop having such specific and niche boxes.
>>29094353I care, obviously, and so I'm not buying a new car until one does. What, do you want me to spend new car money on some piece of shit I don't want just so one day maybe they might make something I do? >Stop having such specific and niche boxes.I'm not buying your shitty 1.5L turbo 3 cylinder CVT FWD cuckover, schlomo. Sorry that offends you.
>>29094236>They do not currently make a NEW car that checks my boxesAnd they never will. You'll always find some gay reason not to buy the new thing, then lament they're not making a car just for YOU.
>>29094402Then they will not get my money. Why does this bother you so much? You can go spend your own tens of thousands of dollars on whatever gay little FWD time bomb crossover all day long.
>>29094410>Then they will not get my moneyThey know. It's specifically why they'll never make the car you want.
>>29094410They never would. That's why they just make crossovers
>>29089623Indians ruined cars.>sources cited>Land Rover
>>29094402>lament they're not making a car just for YOU.$11B USD in tax dollars went to GMC in 2008. Americans in this thread have a right to demand whatever tf they want from GMC specifically. Also, it's perfectly rational for a consumer to complain that companies aren't providing an adequate product. The game is rigged by our leadership, who work hand-in-hand with these companies to provide a shittier "dynamic obsolescence" product as dictated by the ruthless and terrible Alfred P. Sloan, spawn of Satan, bringer of evil, plague, and ruin.
>>29094422>>29094433They would if they made something I want. Seems we're at a bit of an impasse.
>>29094463And you've proven that you'll never buy something because it'll have *something* that you don't like, and you're unable to reconcile that things aren't mass produced for you exclusively.And you've not built a kit car, that CAN be built exactly how you want
>>29094482>you've not built a kit car
>>29094410> Why does this bother you so much? It doesn't bother anyone lmao, isn't it people like you always complaining about modern car trends?
>>29094482Show me where I said that
>>29094504>it doesn't bother anyone>replies constantly all day long
>>29094509this is my first replie of the thread
>>29094538"Anyone" includes the other participants in this thread
Here's what I believe ruined them in no particular order.-Car dealers- no buddy its no scam just buy this $110,000 truck to go to your accounting job, you totally need a truck to lug luggage the one time a year you go away for more than 1 day.-Pandering to F/m drivers with certain interiors, basically guaranteeing 50% of the population will not be interested in the vehicle.-EU Standards (bs emissions etc)-Boomers "I know what my bucket is worth, no swaps type of people" (to be fair every age group does this).
>>29094456>Also, it's perfectly rational for a consumer to complain that companies aren't providing an adequate product.Not when they buy it anyway. Its like complaing China makes cheap garbage while making their 5th order on Temu and 3rd trip to Harbor Freight.
>>29094509>I'm not mad you're mad!dude, replying to idiots doesn't mean we're bothered.
>>29094950>no buddy its no scam just buy this $110,000 truck to go to your accounting jobWealthy people shouldn't buy vehicles they just like because they're not using them to their fullest potential. Or whatever. That truck is for WORK, as an accountant you should be buying a luxury car, or sports car, even if you're a southern drunk or will never go to the race track!
>>29095116they don’t even like them though it’s just a social pressure and masculinity cope it’s also related to tribalism and political ideology, even conservative women want a giant truck now just to signal to everyone they’re not liberal humanity was a mistake
>>29089623Hot hatches saved cars. CUVs killed them.
>>29095149>they don’t even like them thoughDo you think business professionals hate their $110,000 purchases? Its all a psychological game to people earning above median household income? Its all machismo tribalism to appear manlier? Marketing has fullying taken control of women and $90,000 Jeeps?Is that what you really think?
>>29095178yes and you're delusional if you think otherwiselike a woman saying "I wear makeup for myself" kek
>>29095195>men and women think just the same!You've lost the plot, m8.
>>29095200Still both humans, and yeah like 90% of the things we do is about getting sex and social approval.Sorry anon but I do not believe you or anyone on this board are Diogenes reincarnate.
>>29095205>Still both humansInternet memes aside, you really should look into the statistics of how men and women act completely different in the consumer market. Women buy disposable bullshit. Men typically do not. >like 90% of the things we do is about getting sex and social approval.No, that isn't how men AND women act with consumer habits. You gotta leave your parents house.
>>29095235Have you ever actually had a woman in your life that wasn't your mother? Because right now you're throwing this bailerplate redpill shit at me like it's some profound wisdom you acquired through experience.Yes anon, 90% of it is about sex. You didn't go to school because you liked it, you don't go to work because you like it, you don't chase status because it's fun, you don't dress up and go to a loud ass nightclub to overpay for alchohol because it's a good time, you are trying to fulfil your biological imperative - to reproduce. The very fact that you've never in your life heard the idea that it's pretty much all about sex tells me you are the one that should leave their parent's house.We are still animals that are driven by our biology, we are not these enlightened beings that only make rational logical decisions. That is just your left hemi coming up with justifications for your decisions, but that does not make it true.
>>29089628/thread.SUVs are NPC cars.
>>29095249>Have you ever actually had a woman in your life that wasn't your mother?Yes I'm married. Prior to that I had two long term relationships over 5 years. None of them bought shit for "sex and social approval". >Yes anon, 90% of it is about sex.uhhh, source? Women buying fake eyelash extensions or nails isn't to attract men. Women buying handbags isn't about sex. Women buying "experiences" like vacations, foods, concert tickets, and $5000 dogs isn't about sex. You've taken too many Andrew Tate courses if you think 90% of women's consumer habits are about sex. >You didn't go to school because you liked itCorrect, it was difficult and I wanted to separate myself from Jam'al who cannot get promoted past fry cook at burger king. >you don't go to work because you like itcorrect, I do it to earn fun coupons to buy cars, tools, beer, guns, speakers, and lawn care equipment. Turns out I have to trade my labor for currency. I went to college and can trade 1 hour of labor for more currency than what 1 hour of your labor is worth. >you don't chase status because it's funI don't chase status at all. I don't care what others think of me. I'll never own a bugatti. I'll never be envied. I just don't care. >you don't dress up and go to a loud ass nightclub to overpay for alchoholI'll stop you there. I've never gone to a night club. I do overpay for alcohol because thats how breweries and bars work. I like trying local beers for the flavor and hanging out with my best friend, the aforementioned wife. >The very fact that you've never in your life heard the idea that it's pretty much all about sexNo, I have heard that before. Then I got older than 19 and figured out life wasn't solely about banging whores. Grow up. >We are still animals that are driven by our biologyNo, we're not. If we're still operating on the core OS of animalism, we'd simply kill those who annoy us. You're stuck on the bro-science of "get laid" as operative #1 instead of being an adult.
>>29095257Okay, first off you don't need to greentext literally every point you are responding to anon. I can follow a regular conversation just fine.Second, you are retarded. Your woman buys things to show off to other women that she is more valuable than them on the sexual marketplace. You wanted to separate yourself from Jamal so you could get that woman. And obviously you are a modern DINK who thinks life is about hedonistic pleasure seeking, so you would naturally disagree. The fact that you think basic biology is childish and about "banging whores" is retarded. It is not bro-science, it is the foundation of our entire civilisation. If everybody thought like you did we'd have died out a long time ago.
>>29095267>Okay, first offYou're a retard. >Your woman buys things to show off to other womenShe doesn't. You gotta meet more women that aren't 20 year old whores.
>>29095288Lol do you think it's supposed to be "first of" or something? And I'm the retarded one, sure.>my woman wears makeup for herselfbrother... keep living the dream
>>29095291No, I just assume when someone numerically lists their objections they're some pedantic karen wanting to note how they're about to list off what is pissing them off today. You talk like you're a fag and your shit is all gay. What car do you drive in order to attract women for sex, considering everything you've ever bought is for sex?
>>29095303>I didn't like your toneLmao cope more woman
>>29095313Never said that, Judith. What car did you buy to attract women for sex?
>>29095327Quit oversimplifying everything I'm saying. The natural drive to reproduce is not about "banging whores". I did not say everything we do is about sex, only 90% of it (which is clearly hyperbole and not an actual statistic, before you disingenuously interpret it that way again). And anyone older than 15 knows women aren't going to have sex with you because of your car, what's important is what the car represents - wealth, status, and good genetics. This is like the purest midwit shit I've ever heard. Niggers know this, scientists know this, but some childless faggot wants to pretend it's all intellectual and about self-expression or some dumb liberal arts shit like that wants me to think his personal life choices should count for everyone. You live in a fantasy world and your talking mind makes up excuses for it. You are in the cave and you like it.Cope more.
>>29095344>Quit oversimplifying everything I'm saying.What car did you purchase for attracting women in order to put your penis in them did you purchase?
>>29095347What is this gotcha supposed to be?>Hah, see! You don't drive a Lambo because you're too poor so that means your entire argument about the biological imperative is totally wrong, heh! Get rektYeah you got me dude
>>29095350>Yeah you got me dudeNever said anything about a Lambo, you made the entire argument about men only buying things for the goal of having sex with women. I'm just asking what car you bought to accomplish that goal.
>>29095352No, you said that. I said you are oversimplifying what I'm saying which was that it's about signalling to potential mates that you are valuable.I don't have the money to buy an impressive car. I drive a 2006 Golf. Happy now?
>>29095356>I drive a 2006 Golf.Why did you deviate from your known prime directive of only buying things that are intended to attract the opposite sex? Why are you doing things that don't accomplish the goal and is something you do not enjoy?do you yet see how everything you've posted here is completely retarded?
>>29095361Because I'm too poor. I've said that multiple times. How you think that translates into me somehow not wanting a better income with which to buy an impressive car is what's retarded.
>>29095114>I'm not mad you're mad!May I invite you to reread your own post >>29094504
>>29094200based c platformt. c30 t5 enjoyer
>>29095371Oops.
>>29096193these are so easy to fake it's basically worthless
>>29089628>a genuine off-roader like a Wrangler or Land Cruiseryou mean cars that roll over if the road beneath them isn't perfectly level?
>>29094499A kit car fills every and any need for a car enthusiast. But you'll get no end to the excuses for why people don't make one
