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Why don't you run your car on hydrogen?

https://files.catbox.moe/63hfta.mp4
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in case you don't click on catbox links:
>>>/wsg/6239166
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>>29097921
cuz it doesn't look like this yet
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Hydrogen is far more expensive and the hydrogen infrastructure extremely limited. Even places like South Korea and Japan that heavily pushed for hydrogen are moving away from it.
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>>29098034
there is a reason for that
they don't want you to use hydrogen
because you can make it at home

a single commercial wind turbine could power electrolyzers and produce a ton of hydrogen every day
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>>29097921
Because it takes more power to create it than it creates when it burns, and because it’s very difficult to store large amounts of it, you have to have it in its liquid phase to get it dense enough to have useful range and cryogenics in a car is pretty bad, or you can store it at some ungodly amount of PSI and still get shitty range and be riding around on a giant bomb if you ever crash
That’s pretty much the main hurdle
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>>29098083
It literally says 1kg per day which is jack shit
“ The exact purchase price for full-sized AutoARK® hydrogen generators is not publicly listed by the manufacturer, Millennium Reign Energy, which typically displays placeholder pricing or requires direct contact for quotes. However, historical and community tracking reports that larger residential units like the AutoARK® 55 have an estimated cost around $130,000” amazing.
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>>29098098
>1kg which is jack shit
>travels 2,488.456 km (1,546.254 miles) on 0.950 kg (2.094 lb) of hydrogen
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>>29098098
>$130,000” amazing.
the market is being manipulated against hydrogen
there is no logical reason why this device would cost that much
you can build an alkaline electrolyzer capable of producing 1kg of hydrogen per day for a couple hundred dollars
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this 100 cell electrolyzer produces 22.9 kg per hour or 549.6 kg per day

two of those and you have over a ton per day, capable of supplying hundreds of cars

powered by a single wind turbine
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>>29098111
Do you have a wind turbine?
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>>29098112
i have solar panels
does the trick as well
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>>29098105
https://stillwaterassociates.com/2025-cost-showdown-for-drivers-is-hydrogen-fuel-cheaper-than-gasoline/
>According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) 2025 Fuel Economy Guide the average fuel economy of a FCV is 60 miles per kg (MPK) while gasoline cars get 30 miles per gallon (MPG) on average and gasoline hybrids come in at an average of 44 MPG.
>To be competitive with hybrid gasoline vehicles on a per-mile basis, hydrogen would need to be priced at $5.88/kg; hydrogen has retailed at $32.94/kg in 2025 year-to-date.
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>>29098124
60 miles with fuel made at home for free
and you can easily scale it and produce more
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>>29098111
>consumes literally 1.25 MEGAWATTS
>only makes 1kg of hydrogen per 50kw
Assuming you have 15c per kWh electricity which is on the lowest end of pricing available anywhere in the US, that’s 7.5 dollars per kg of hydrogen, which will get you 60 miles
50kw of power gets your car 60 miles of range, a Tesla gets 4.5 miles per kw of power, so that same 50kwh of power in a Tesla would get you 225 miles of range vs 60 miles of range if you used the power to generate hydrogen
It’s just retarded bro
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>>29098132
>consumes literally 1.25 MEGAWATTS
a commercial wind turbine generates 3-6 megawatts

a gas station with one wind turbine could supply hundreds of cars off the grid with hydrogen
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>>29098132
For reference there’s a geothermal power plant near me and it produces 50 megawatts of power and consumes an area of land that’s like a 10 mile diameter circle of geothermal wells, that’s how much power it takes to run your dumb ass hydrogen generator, you’d be dimming the lights on a whole city when you turn it on
A standard 100 amp service panel on a house can only output 0.02 megawatts, that hydrogen generator wants 1.25 megawatts, you’re fucking retarded bro
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>>29097921
If you think the gasoline rube goldberg economy is clown world, wait until you learn the absurdity of the hydrogen fuel rube goldberg machine
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>>29098135
Did you completely miss the efficiency problems?
225 miles of range on a Tesla for 50kwh of power
60 miles of range if it’s hydrogen for 50kwh, and you’re driving a literal bomb and have to deal with flammable hydrogen gas, and pressurizing it will take significant power as well, not just generating it
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>>29098139
hydrogen is much safer than batteries or gasoline tanks
did you watch the video in the OP? they didn't take any saftey measrues handling pure hydrogen
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>>29098083
Or you could get an EV and directly charge it with that electricity.
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>>29098144
why not let people use hydrogen?
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>>29098132
>Output Pressure: Up to 34 bar.
And regular hydrogen tanks are 350 or 700 bar so you have to account for the time and energy needed to compress it to that level.
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>>29098149
The best use case I see for hydrogen is plug-in FCEV. Drive around town with directly charged batteries and when you want to take long trips you can rely on the higher range and quicker refueling offered by hydrogen and even that application is dwindling due to the advances in fast charging and batteries.
Nobody is stopping you from using hydrogen. There are hydrogen fuel cell and hydrogen combustion vehicles you can buy right now but next to nobody wants them.
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powerpaste is a solid storage solution for hydrogen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnTp3PbXza8

(holy shit talking about hydrogen really rustles the jimmies)
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>>29098162
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>>29098159
there is a global oil crisis developing

you can run internal combustion engines on hydrogen, completely nullifying this crisis
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>>29098149
Because simple math says it’s not a viable method?
Did you pay attention at all?
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>>29098165
you can just suck on my fat erect cock you little pathetic shill

hydrogen will reign supreme and all your shilling against it will have been a waste of time
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>>29098141
Cool can you comment on the range per 50kwh?
>>29098167
Are you alright?
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>>29098135
A 6mw wind turbine costs 11 million dollars
A 6mw wind turbine could give you 27k miles of range if you drive teslas, with existing household infrastructure, no need to buy any equipment, vs 7200 miles of range if you use the power to generate hydrogen, and you have to spend 130,000 dollars on a hydrogen cell for your house, as well as all the equipment to pump and store the gas, so probably around 200k
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>>29098172
these turbines are everywhere already
just add electrolyzers and you will have hydrogen fuel
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>>29098164
You'll have more like running your engine on a liquid fuel like ethanol or ammonia since it doesn't require a pressurized gas tank. Power to liquid isn't magnitudes worse than hydrogen electrolysis.
Burning hydrogen is a terrible application due to the low efficiency compared to fuel cells. You won't get mileage anywhere close to >>29098105 with HICEV.
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don't talk about hydrogen or you'll start a shitstorm :^)
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>>29098175
I thought you were pushing the idea of self sufficiency? Does your house have a wind turbine? Do you have a 130k dollar hydrogen generator?
Even if you did you’d get more miles per kWh by a significant amount if you just drove a cheap ass Tesla kek
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>>29098178
with 2kw input power you can generate 1kg of hydrogen every day
2kw input power is nothing
look up solar panels and wind turbines in that range
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>>29098179
1kg of hydrogen gets you 60 miles
2 kw per day is 48kwh, that’s 216 miles if you drive a Tesla for the same amount of power
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>>29098181
why do you see it as competition?
let me make my hydrogen at home and drive my hydrogen car you lousy muskrat
fuck your lithium batteries that fries people alive
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>>29098181
>1kg of hydrogen gets you 60 miles
Maybe in a fuel cell vehicle like the Mirai. In an internal combustion engine you're looking closer to 20 miles.
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>>29098182
>why do you see it as a competition
Are you fucking retarded?
>let me make my hydrogen at home
I’d actually love to see your home hydrogen cell, can you post it?
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>>29098182
So buy yourself a Mirai, Nexo or whatever FCEV and that fancy hydrogen electrolyser. Maybe you can even get a used one for cheap because nobody else actually wants it.
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>>29098185
>Are you fucking retarded?
that's all you've been doing
>look EVs are much better! fuck your hydrogen
go fuck yourself nigger
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>>29098186
fueling combustion engines is what i'm interested in
diesel trucks can't afford fuel anymore and they could just run it on hydrogen
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>>29098187
I’ve been posting literally kid tier math and explaining to you why everything you say is stupid as fuck and makes no sense, sorry you didn’t like it
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did you all just ignore the video in the OP?
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>>29098187
Maybe list some actual benefits of hydrogen. A FCEV can get a higher range than a comparably sized BEV but a HICEV is going to be worse.
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>>29098192
the benefit is that you can run any internal combustion engine on hydrogen
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>>29098191
The video that merely shows that hydrogen burns? Show us a full ICEV to HICEV conversion. Gasoline or diesel cars have been converted to CNG or LPG so the process itself shouldn't be that different.
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>>29098182
If you don’t like musk then buy some other electric car, even the hummer EV gets more miles per kWh than a hydrogen car while weighing almost 10000lbs
Insane how bad hydrogen is
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>>29098198
here's an entire history of HICE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
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>>29098195
You can run an internal combustion engine on salad oil. There's nothing remarkable about burning hydrogen. If you want to be cool, make a hydrogen fusion reactor instead.
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>>29098199
composite tanks are light weight
batteries are heavy
kill yourself

an escooter running on hydrogen would have tens times the range of a battery driven scooter
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>>29098201
I’ve run diesels off basedbean oil and waste motor oil before, worked great, I even dump gasoline, transmission fluid, barbecue lighting fluid, etc into it and it runs amazing
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>>29098203
>an escooter running on hydrogen would have tens times the range of a battery driven scooter
Oh really, can you show me some examples and break this down for me? Why does the hydrogen scooter get better range than the electric scooter? I’d love to know more
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>>29098203
What do you intend to do with a scooter that requires such a range? People charge them at work and other public places using the existing electricity grid. Replacing batteries on the fly is easier than doing the same with gas bottles.
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>>29098200
Op seems to be the one unaware of HICEV. There's no real example of a regular car getting converted. The Corolla is a sports car and is using liquid hydrogen, generation of which is going to be way more complex than mere electrolysis. At that point you may as well consider rocket engines.
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>>29098199
>Insane how bad hydrogen is
I'd say it's more of a testament how good electric motors and batteries are. Hydrogen itself isn't worse than other fuels aside from shit like embrittlement.
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>>29098189
You'll have to rely on public infrastructure if you want to do that. And most hydrogen available is still grey hydrogen generated from natural gas because nobody wants to invest into electrolysis.
https://metiertechnologies.com/services/hydrogen-repowering-for-fleets/
>6.3 miles/kg hydrogen fuel economy
Consider that hydrogen costs upwards of $25/kg. So even if diesel is getting expensive, hydrogen costs even more and since it's generated from natural gas the price is going to be tied to that of oil. And that's not touching on the pathetic 250 mile range and the limited hydrogen network.
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>>29098215
True liquid hydrogen is pretty good, it’s just really hard to deal with, like trying to keep it from leaking past valves, o rings etc, it’s also cold as fuck
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>>29098221
It will be interesting to see if liquid hydrogen becomes the choice for de-carbonising maritime trade where it doesn't have to compete with the existing electric grid and charger networks.
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>>29098224
Probably not, SMRs would be more likely than hydrogen
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>>29098111
This is one of those things where they won't even tell you the price unless you're a business wanting to buy 20 of them, isn't it
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>>29098228
It consumes 1.25 megawatts of power so you could power roughly 1000 homes with the amount of power it takes to run it
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>>29098230
None of the specs matter if they won't even entertain the idea of selling it to you
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>>29098232
The specs matter because even if it cost 5 dollars and they had 1 million of them you could never power it
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>>29098246
It doesn't matter if you can power it or not because you can't get one
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>>29098301
Are you brown?
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>>29098304
we're all shades of brown anon :)
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>>29098307
Ah yes, as I thought
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>>29098228
you can build an 100 cell alkaline electroylzer yourself
but it takes a lot of material, look at the weight of that thing

building electrolyzers isn't hard

you would buy such an electrolyezer as a community for your town, not as a single individual
it could supply your entire town with fuel
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>>29098320
I think 99% of towns on earth are already set up for charging electric cars, looks like the problem is solved
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>>29098332
why is it an either-or issue to you?
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>>29098335
>Well we could use all this electricity to power our cars directly
>Or we could use it to run this extremely power hungry machine to inefficiently turn water into hydrogen and run our cars on that
There is a reason EVs are seeing widespread adoption and hydrogen vehicles are not
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>>29098367
Yes because big money is against and people like musk are pushing EVs
There is no reason why hydrogen shouldnt be used but that’s what they have decided
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>>29098375
>There is no reason why hydrogen shouldnt be used
There are many reasons and they have been outlined very clearly in this thread. Why would you use electricity to create hydrogen to power a car when you could just use electricity to power the car?
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>>29098384
You can’t power a combustion engine with a battery
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>>29098388
You can just skip the combustion engine altogether.
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>>29098392
Do you live in a fantasy world where combustion engines don’t exist? Trucker and farmers can’t afford to pay for diesel
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>>29098396
Is hydrogen cheaper than diesel? Is switching all the diesel vehicles and infrastructure over to hydrogen cheaper than switching to EVs?
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>>29098398
If people provide the electrolyzers and start making hydrogen locally then the price would drop to nothing
Farmers generally have wind turbines so they could be making their own fuel right now
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>>29098411
Or just use the power available locally more efficiently by turning electric motors directly, if you can’t afford to run diesel you certainly cannot afford to use hydrogen and retrofit every engine you use
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>>29098423
Im sure the local workshop would help them retrofit their vehicles since they too depend on the produce
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>>29098429
Sounds like communism to me, figures you’re a dumb brown person who doesn’t understand simple math
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>>29098429
It's more effective to build new cars than to convert old ones. Few cars survive for more than 25 years.
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>>29098375
Japan is heavily pushing for FCEV and downright against BEV and they still don't see significant adoption.
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>>29098443
If they did you would see filling stations everywhere. People don’t buy hydrogen vehicles because of the limited amount of filling stations. Hydrogen gets lauded superficially but is actively blocked by big money and politics. It’s all fake that’s why hydrogen companies are going bankrupt. They say one thing and do another
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just look at the history of hydrogen vehicles, then you will realize how long people could have been using it
clean fuel that anyone can make at home

if japan was pushing it it would've been a reality decades ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
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>>29098447
Most hydrogen companies were just natural gas companies in disguise. They tried to peddle it as a drop in replacement to justify why they should keep selling natural gas.
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>>29098492
Again if they really wanted to realize it they would have done so
Electrolysis of water has been around for centuries
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>>29098447
They don't build filling stations because people don't buy hydrogen vehicles because there are multiple other better, more widely available options
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>>29098504
People don’t buy cars because there are not enough filling stations
This is how you keep the technology from spreading, it‘s intentional
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>>29098507
Various countries are spending money on building hydrogen stations that nobody ends up using and after a couple of years they all get shut down.
South Korea is the only place they saw any kind of relevance.
There are attempts to promote it as a fuel for heavy goods vehicles but battery electric trucks simply can rely on the electric car infrastructure while dedicated truck chargers are gradually expanding. And all while electricity is significantly cheaper than fossil fuels and hydrogen.
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>>29098512
everytime you mention hydrogen as fuel, dedicated battery shills will show up and tell you what terrible idea it is

the internet is fiiled with disinformtion regard it
even the mythbusters episode in the OP was intended to show hydrogen is a bad idea

but you can run your current engine on hydrogen
there will be no embrittlement because it gets ignited almost instantly

you can make hydrogen at home
2kw input power for 1kg of hydrogen per day is efficient and can be scaled up easily

a gas station powered by a single commerical wind turbine running electrolyzers can supply hundreds of cars with hydrogen

you don't need platinum or titan or other expensive materials

alkaline electrolyzers with gas separation are relatively cheap and easy to build

you could have been using this technology for decades

they talk about reducing carbon emissions when the solution has been right there all the time
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>>29098105
>just drive this
Lmao
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>>29098972
How come (You) don't run your car on hydrogen either? You claim how easy and cheap everything is but it's all just schizo theory even though hydrogen cars are out on the streets.
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>>29099004
i don’t have a drivers license but i will help my bro to get on hydrogen next time i visit him
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>>29098987
it’s a concept car made by university students. imagine a scooter or bike with that range

pic rel has an air time of 30 minutes because they’re using heavy batteries
if it was running on hydrogen it would fly for hours
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>>29099039
Are you aware of the storage problem of hydrogen? Read into it, please.

Once you've understood you'll know why hydrogen combustion in vehicles hardly a feasible solution.
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>>29099042
there is no storage problem
you can store it compressed in lightweight composite tanks or, even better, in solid state such as powerpaste
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>>29098162
>>29098163
powerpaste
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>>29099044
Yeah, no. The quantity required and consequently the size of the tank is the problem.

Read up what Linde has to say about it. I wish reality was different.
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>>29099048
read up on powerpaste

when stored in solid state you won't need high pressure cylinders since it can be stored at ambient pressure and temperature

in solid state the energy density is higher than in gaseous or liquid state
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>>29099044
>>29099055
Does your local supermarket carry powerpaste or do you make it out of Dolemite yourself?
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>>29099055
If it were so easy, it would've been done already. I can't quite remember what the problem with powerpaste, but I assume it's not in the right state to be burnt efficiently enough.
Look, I admire your optimism, but there is no greater industry and/or political conspiracy here to prevent hydrogen power.

If it's too good to be true, it ain't.
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>>29099056
Of course we can’t buy it because powerful groups don’t want us to use it. It has been around since 2014.
You can buy magnesium hydride and make it into paste using an agitator bead mill. After releasing the hydrogen the leftover sludge can be made into new paste
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>>29099057
The paste is just the hydrogen carrier. You release the hydrogen by adding water then you have whatever amount of hydrogen you need
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>>29099058
Are they so powerful that even Chinese aren't willing to use it?
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There are also other solid state solutions where you release the hydrogen by applying heat
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>>29099063
Haven’t you learned anything from the Covid pandemic? They’re all one big club and they play us like fools
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>>29099064
They use metal hydride storage for submarines to provide air-independent propulsion while diving.
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>>29099068
huh.. wonder why they’re using hydrogen instead of batteries
the good stuff for the military the shitty stuff for the consoomers
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>>29099094
Because they were designed 40 years ago. They still use lead acid batteries as an intermediary. There's newer submarine classes that use lithium ion batteries instead of hydrogen fuel cells.
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>>29099101
>40 years they’ve been using hydrogen
>but we won’t make it available to you at reasonable prices and we will tax you for carbon emissions instead
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>>29099107
Who determines if a price is reasonable? FCEV used to get government subsidies and customers opted for BEV instead.
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>>29099109
If I bought an FCEV I would have no place to refill it in my close proximity
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>>29099039
Who do I need to fuck to get this bad boy running on H?
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>>29099036
How old are you?
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It’s quite criminal how long this technology has been kept down
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>>29099277
If they forced the ICE phaseout twenty years ago, FCEV would have been the only practical options and maybe even HICEV could have found their place. But renewable energy was too niche back then. Fuel cells and electrolysis were already mature and don't really have much room for improvements since the losses are unavoidable. Meanwhile battery tech has made huge improvements and EVs less reliant on established infrastructure. FCEV still have a range and refuelling speed advantage but it's nowhere as big as it was.
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>>29099303
do you believe just because the bilderbergers decided we should use battery driven EVs and now start phasing out ICE the people are just going to play along? people love the sound of their engines
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>>29099559
The official ban on ICE in Europe is still 8 years away and the market has made large shifts towards EVs and this year will mark another milestone due to the increased fuel prices. China is also well ahead of the government targets.
The majority of people will see reduced engine sounds as a positive, only a handful of enthusiasts think otherwise.
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the global conspiracy is real and this proves it
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>>29097921
Very low energy density.
Needs very high pressure bottles.
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>>29100938
wrong, see
>>29098162
>>29098163
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>>29097921
Don't like exploding.
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>>29100977
So you just gonna keep ignoring how much energy it requires to produce it or what
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>>29101305
how much energy does it require to extract the raw materials, refine them and assemble them into batteries, or to extract and refine crude oil into all the different flavors of gasoline compared to powerpaste?
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>>29101285
hydrogen tanks are actually safer than gasoline tanks or lithium batteries. a small dent and your battery will short and catch fire
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>>29098095
There is metal hydride storage, though it needs more research before it becomes viable iirc
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>>29098105
Never respond to it. Just filter it and move on.
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>>29101625
Batteries aren't used up during use. They have some slight degradation over time but they can be recycled afterwards.

>>29101627
Hydrogen cars still have lithium batteries to store excess power.
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>>29101647
>Batteries aren't used up during use.
they degrade after the first charge/recharge cycle and recyling is complicated and expensive

powerpaste does not get used up, the leftover sludge can be made into new paste indefintely

>Hydrogen cars still have lithium batteries to store excess power.
not a necessity
supercapacitors can also be used

and on the topic of batteries: robert murray smith invented a battery based on paper and carbonink, it's as powerful as commerical AA batteries and is 100% biodegradable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD2_NNx1k10
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>>29101655
Is there any commercial application using power paste? All hydrogen cars I know use 350 or 700 bar storage and there's some experiments with liquid hydrogen. Likewise, are there any that use supercapacitors?
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>>29101659
There are many potential commercial applications for powerpaste but is a technology that is being held down. The industry does not pick it up despite being the perfect solution for hydrogen storage.
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>>29101682
Fraunhofer had to build their own car to demonstrate its usefulness.
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>>29101682
How is it any better than all the proposed developments for BEVs? We're already seeing sodium ion getting used in commercial vehicles. The hydrogen infrastructure is barebones already and you're trying to ditch it for yet another pipedream.
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>>29101659
i think supercaps are utilized in some buses for regenerative breaking

>Supercapacitors are used in some hybrid and electric vehicles to provide quick bursts of power and improve energy efficiency. They can charge much faster than traditional batteries, making them suitable for applications like regenerative braking and enhancing overall vehicle performance.
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>>29101683
They're trying to sell their own proprietary power paste cartridges because fuelling with liquids and gasses or charging via plug isn't restrictive enough.
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>>29098105
The Eco-Runner XII won the Shell Eco-marathon 2022, which took place at TT Circuit Assen, with an efficiency of 468 km/m^3 which equals to 5407 km/kg.

>5,407km on 1 kg hydrogen
that's insane

why do we force battery vehicles again?
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>>29098105
>>29101739
Why not let cars run on solar? Literally infinite range.
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>>29101749
until night comes or the clouds cover the sun
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>>29101750
There is a Japanese proverb for that: 明けない夜はない.
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>>29098105
this thing on hydrogen with that range
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>>29103294
>hydrogen
powerpaste*
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>>29103311
What happens if you drop a wheel between the rail and the road?
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>>29103613
Multi track drifting.
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>>29103613
you're fucked
but if your used to ride bicycles on streets with rails you know how to handle it
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dissolving household aluminium foil in concentrated KOH (which you can get from hardwood ash) will produce pure hydrogen
not a very sustainable method but an easy way to make hydrogen without electricity
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I feel bad for hydrogen optimists. Fun fact if you take hydrogen and attach it to carbon then all it's issues go away
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>>29104321
the only issue it has are specific human interest groups
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thousands of tons of hydrogen get wasted every year to destroy our ozone layer and install a surveillance grid
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>>29104589
while taxing the plebs for carbon emissions
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>>29104600
Hydrogen itself doesn't emit carbon. Only generating it from hydrocarbons does and you should be able to do that in an environment that absorbs the carbon such as a greenhouse.
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>>29104624
>Hydrogen itself doesn't emit carbon
imagine my shock
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>>29104589
and they tell us hydrogen is too expensive lol
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BMW H2R
6.0 L V12 engine powered by hydrogen
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>>29097921
>WATER POWERED
>look inside
>it's just hydrolyzing the water and burning the hydrogen in an ICE
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>>29106810
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>>29101750
we have batteries
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytg23mDd1a4

why does Big Electricity want you to think Bob Lazar is a nutcase?
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>>29109336
if they are using solar panels to drive what is charging the batteries?
and batteries would make the vehicle significantly more heavy
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>>29109354
he was using solid state storage back then already
genius
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>>29109373
now we can just use magnesium hydride paste that can be recycled indefinitely
>>29098162
>>29098163
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>>29109354
well, after watching the entire thing it's very obvious that he's a disinfo spook and contributed to hydrogen not being accepted by the masses

he's mixing truths with half-truths and lies

first he's explaining how safe the tanks are but then
>you need platinum for electrylsis
>particle accelerator to make hydride
>it's weapon grade stuff used in nuclear bombs!
>you need a hydrogen gas detector
>don't light your cigarettes around it!
complete glownigger
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>>29109443
I doubt many people were discouraged by fearmongering. There's plenty of FUDD for BEVs and they're still winning the race.
The biggest issue has to be the price. Charging BEVs is cheaper than gasoline, especially for people that can charge at home and even more so if they have their own solar panels. Meanwhile hydrogen costs significantly more and refuelling at home unrealistic.
The second problem is the lack of infrastructure. My nearest H2 station is over 50km away and there's little promise of improvement. The tech is too dependent on achieving a critical mass and didn't offer enough advantages to achieve it. Finally the lineup of hydrogen cars was always very limited and didn't appeal to many buyers. New cars are fairly expensive though you can get used FCEV for a lot less nowadays.
Tanks lasting a limited time shouldn't be a bigger issue than batteries not lasting forever.
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>>29109772
>I doubt many people were discouraged by fearmongering.
>ever other post is "i don't want to explode"
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>>29110494
How come they aren't discouraged from buying BEVs? The people posting that weren't going to buy either.
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>>29110507
Because BEVs are the future they envision for us
Elon Musk is their biggest advocate
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>>29110522
BEV drivers hate Musk and Musk fanboys hate BEVs.
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batteries are outclassed
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>>29112353
Buy an ad.
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>>29112372
bitch i might
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>>29097921
The only downside to hydrogen is the cost of infrastructure. The moment that problem is resolved is the moment the world will run domestic high yield energy.

You can convert existing ICE vehicles to hydrogen and it mimicks the sovl of gas while only dispersing water instead of Co2.

EVs cannot do that. Hydrogen is superior and as a ICE enthusiast I'd happily go to hydro if we went there
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>>29115913
>the cost of infrastructure
imagine if every town built electrolyzers
suddenly infrastructure everywhere
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>>29118287
>imagine if every town built electrolyzers
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>>29118301
don’t your towns have wind turbines?
just one would supply hundreds of cars
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>>29118287
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>>29118528
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humans are a brainwashed species



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