How did Americans get convinced they need cars like these for their daily commute?
>>29110305Everything is bigger in USA
>>29110305That's a nigger thing.
>>29110305>Crank up emissions to the point where the runs forever and makes decent enough power to push a large car K24 accord is replaced by a 1.5 liter, where did my coolant go piece of shit and delete the V6 accord as well in anything other than their largest LTX category that can have it>anything other than a large NA 4 banger or V6 crossover, full size NA V8 SUV or truck is the only thing worth having because of the emissions category is falls underThe government totally sucks, ya motherfucker.
>>29110336You must have never been to Poland
>>29110386Indonesia?But it's not even a Christian country.
>>29110391Its not but my Oma was one of the few weirdos who was a catholic and shit
>>29110305They got bigger, the percentage of the American population that is considered morbidly obese has double from 22% to 44% since the 80s.
>>29110338>ESL foreigner babble
>>29110403Its literally just emissions anon, people will buy cars if good ones are available but if you want a V6 or V8 engine these days, you're buying a larger vehicle to skirt around emissions, the days kf buying that panther body or Trannyverse V6 camry or accord that goes faster than it has any business going are gone, crossover and full size V8 powered ferd or Chevy are the only things worth buying, so people will buy that even if it is unwieldy and so big they can't use it, and the fuel economy is worse becsuse it is larger and heavier (way to save fuel and emissions govt niggers)
>>29110410>full size V8 powered ferdYeah we all know how popular those V8 Ford SUVs are. Every year Ford sells sooo many V8 powered SUVs.
>>29110410>>29110375Holy Amerifatass cope. Amerifats are literally too fat and arthrithic to enter a sedan.
The only people I see driving these are stay at home moms going to Whole Foods at 11AM on a weekday.
>>29110305The idea that a bigger vehicle = safer.The "I need my vehicle to do everything from daily driving, moving furniture and going camping even if I never use its capacity 99% of the time" mentalityAnd popular rappers loving the Escalade.
>>29110438Okay Mr Totally-not-American (We totally believe you) explain why we see the same trend in every single other country too
>>29110305it started as the car companies making them and making them cheap because theyre exempt from emissions laws, and amerimutts cant drive for shit so marketing them a vehicle as "safe" that will "win collisions"(??) works because they are an aging population who bash their cars into shit constantly as their brains turn to mush from age and lead exposurethere was a bit of Doing It Wrong On Purpose to kill the normal sedan (they are more expensive just to manipulate buyers into wanting the cheaper "SUV" or light-duty truck) and occasionally they were so brazen as to literally make a car objectively terrible on purpose to "prove" that you need a TRUCC (the PT Cruiser was literally this)
>>29110504>they are more expensive just to manipulate buyers into wanting the cheaper "SUV" or light-duty truckSubaru is a great example of this.The Ascent is their flagship SUV, almost the size of a Tahoe, and it starts at $40k. The BRZ is a small 2+2 coupe with an anemic powertrain and a fairly barebones interior that starts at $37k.
>>29110396>Still living with MomRicer
>>29110305obama, unironically
>>29110553meanwhile you could get a better handling 4 cylinder camaro for 25k. /o/ rejected it and wonder why there's no smol RWD coupes anymore.
>>29110375>>29110410>>29110504This "emissions" argument is so bullshit. You're all just parroting the same shit you heard someone else say but you don't understand what you're saying. I can prove it. I challenge this argument every time I see it brought up and to date exactly zero people have been able to defend it. If it's purely because of government regulation, then why are there still sedans? If it's purely government regulation, then why don't existing sedans sell better?The real truth is people just prefer crossovers and I don't know why you're so resistant to just accepting that. People will always quote the CAFE light trucks loophole but CAFE was frozen for over 20 years. Why did the crossover trend start and explode overnight in the 90s when regulations weren't even an issue? And most importantly why do see crossovers rise in popularity in other countries not adhering to America's personal fuel economy rules? Why are they growing in popularity in Canada and Mexico and all of Europe and Asia too? If sedans were truly more desirable then why are those countries voluntarily choosing crossovers too? The only times we ever see new car buyers, anywhere in the world, choosing sedans are when the country is so poverty stricken that they can't afford the extra cost
>>29110504
>>29110338>No one drives those bullshits here Yeah they drive other SUVs and oversized trucks.
>>29110495>why we see the same trend in every single other country tooNta but it is because Euros are also becoming>too fat and arthrithic to enter a sedan.At current trends, they are just 20 years behind us.
>>29110574Jeez I thought slavs were skinny
>>29110563the camaro is not small and it's also ugly and hard to see out of
>>29110305>needThat's not the point you broke ass bitch.
>>29110595you being retarded is why everyone gravitates towards SUVs and trucks.
>>29110563Nobody wants a 4 cylinder Camaro for any price, especially when they're charging the same price they charged for a V8 less than 10 years prior.It's also the opposite of small. Fucking thing is the size of an Audi A7.
>>29110626you couldn't get a V8 camaro for 25k 10 years prior. it's also nowhere close to an A7.>>29110627it's also 6 inches shorter, which is smol.
>>29110566>If it's purely because of government regulation, then why are there still sedans?because some people still buy them>If it's purely government regulation, then why don't existing sedans sell better?because mutts feel the need to "win" collisions>And most importantly why do see crossovers rise in popularity in other countries not adhering to America's personal fuel economy rules?this only happens in Canada and AUS, and Canada has unofficial reciprocity with american standards and australia is full of insane people. yuroland is moving to smaller cars
>>29110659One would assume he's talking about 4th gens, which could be had for sub 25k.
>>29110305>How did Americans get convinced they need cars like these for their daily commute?
>>29110403It's been going down since COVID retard.
>>29110662>charging the same price they charged for a V8 less than 10 years prior.>4th gens were sold just 10 years prior to the 6th gen
>>29110305How did Euros convince themselves to be happy with 1.2 litre cuck pods that do 0 to 60 in 8 seconds and cost twice as much?
>>29110671the camaro has less interior volume than the nissan versa, meaning by that definition, it is actually a smaller car.
>>29110681>>29110683oh, it's the AI spic. nevermind. you ARE retarded as I originally thought.
>>29110689>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior height>>29110689>proceeds to contradict his own statementretarded spic
>>29110574I'm pretty sure the only reason french and italians aren't fat is because they still smoke a lot
>>29110665this. the desire for pigfat SUVs just stems from the desire for pigfat landyachts but since the government made big sedans illegal automakers just used big "light trucks" as a loophole
>>29110661>yuroland is moving to smaller carslol
>>29110700>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightwhy did you say this, then? are you retarded or what?
>>29110699>the government made big sedans illegalsee>>29110566>parroting the same shit you heard someone else saygrow a brain, NPC.
>>29110661>because some people still buy them>because mutts feel the need to "win" collisionsThis is checkmate though. Sedans still exist because people still buy them. This is the free market at work. If the popularity of cuvs could only be attributed to malicious government intervention, then there wouldn't exist sedans which people could choose to buy. >this only happens in Canada and AUS, and Canada has unofficial reciprocity with american standards and australia is full of insane people. yuroland is moving to smaller carsWrong. According to google, every single one of the top 20 countries by GDP (which somehow includes Canada) has shifted to a majority market share of SUVs with the only outlier being India which sits at an even 50/50.Prior to 2000, all countries had overwhelmingly higher numbers of sedans sold vs SUVs with most being over 90% sedans. By 2010 the SUV craze had started rising and most of Western Europe was between 15-20% SUVs, up from <5%. In 2025 19 of the 20 top countries had all shifted to majority SUVs, and yes this includes "yuropland" specifically Germany, UK, France, Italy, Russia, Spain, Nederland, and Poland.
>>29110709well its a multitude of factors. stupid females buy most of the vehicles so they get lame globular pigfat suvs/cucovers. dudes want to larp as ranchers so they get pickup trucks. all of this influenced by propaganda from modern media. the decline of the sedan is simply caused by judaism, full stop.
>>29110718>proceeds to parrot more of the same stupid shit reddit told himgrow a brain, NPC.
>>29110716>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightfacts like this one, or were you just retarded and that doesn't count?
>>29110726>facts like that oneso then according to that fact,>>29110677 this is what logically follows.
>>29110740>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightWhy did you say this if it's actually about footprint? are you admitting you are retarded?
>>29110667>It's been going down since COVID retard.That's a mortality issue.Amerifats are dying sooner than Amerithins. That means you have an older (thinner) population skewing the obesity rate away from the younger fatter generations that aren't survive to old age. This also leads in to the slowdown in population growth.If you look at the obesity rates by age bracket over the past 5 decades and you'll see the issue.
>>29110764>This is a footprint comparisonno it isn't. "footprint" isn't mentioned anywhere on the site.>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightcare to explain why you said this if this is about footprint? are you ready to admit you're retarded?
I daily a two door SUV. It's not bad for just myself, but it would blow if I had to put a carseat in the back. Now imagine three kids with hockey gear or whatever other sports shit that someone can afford if they can afford that.
>>29110784>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior height>those are the most relevant things when considering a Car’s sizeso this>>29110677 is what logically follows.
>>29110797>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightSo are you retarded for saying this?
>>29110816>>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightSo why did you say this? is it because you're retarded?
>>29110822You made a retarded premise because you knew you'd be called retarded?
The Camaro is classified as a subcompact, cry about it.
>>29110839>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightSo why did you give a criteria in which it could be considered small? are you admitting to being retarded?
>>29110846see>>29110830
>>29110858see>>29110844
For God's sake boys, filter and report BMW spic, and DO NOT respond to him. Look how much of this thread is just retarded schizo babble
>>29110861>Vehicle size classes depend on interior passenger and cargo volume rather than overall exterior heightSo why did you say this? are you admitting to being retarded?
>>29110677lol wut?
>>29110862It's a good thing you supported that very assertion with your retarded statement, huh.
>>29110792That tracks with what I've seen.
>>29110659Camaro dimensions:>L - 188.3 in>W - 74.7 in>H - 52.0 in to 53.1 in depending on trimA7 dimensions:>L - 195.6 in>W - 75.8 in>H - 56.0 inThe A7 is only 1 inch wider and 3 inches taller. 7 inches of length is a decent difference, but compare them both to the Miata which is almost 8 inches more narrow than the Camaro, 34 inches shorter in length, and 3 inches shorter in height than the Camaro while also weighing 1,500 pounds less.She's a big fat bitch, bro.
>>29111156the miata also handles much worse.
>>29111158It damn well better have more grip considering its longer, wider wheelbase that's connected to the ground by 245/275 tires compared to the Miata's 195/205s.
>>29111165>all season tiresnigger didn't read the image. the base model camaro doesn't have 245/275s. that is the tires of the SS.
>>29110305Americans are rich as fuck compared to the rest of the world (except for oil arabs), so we drive gigantic luxury barges all the time because even shitty jobs here are fucking zero effort money printers.
>>29111168The base model has 245s on all four corners. Base model Miata has 195s.Do you just look at numbers without understanding why those numbers are what they are or how they're affected by external circumstance?
>>29111403>The base model has 245sall season tires? so completely inferior to the miata's tires then. do you understand how compound works you retarded nigger?
>>29111721Miatas are sold with all seasons as well.Regardless, I see that the answer to my question is a resounding yes.
>>29112029the car in this comparison>>29111158 is using summer tiresif you think cuck seasons have more grip than summer tires, you're a bus riding nigger.
>>29110566There's definitely some fuckery afoot, it's not as simple as >everyone just naturally prefers SUVsand that I am entirely sure of
>>29112189True. Not everyone prefers SUVs. Everyone prefers CUVs.
>>29112219Women prefer SUV's. Men prefer SUV's. That's literally everyone. People will only get a CUV if they can't afford a SUV.
>>29112276men prefer pickups and women prefer men with pickups
>>29112278reddit will forever be buck broken by this fact.
>>29112276Sales figures say otherwise. Rav4 isn't the best selling vehicle in America for no reason
>>29112292>Rav4 isn't the best selling vehicle in Americathat's right, it isn't. have you looked at a sales chart at all?
>>29112189Anon, America buys iPhones, from a company that pretends to be a tech company but is really an electronic jewelry company to assuage your ego.It's really weird, 30 years ago people were still buying quality, expensive clothing to show off. Now they buy shirts that last a few years and a $100K car.
>>29112299I sure have.
>>29112317where's the rav4?
>>29110305because it's a big country, not your tiny shithole, yuropoor
>>29110403okay and I'm having a great time sitting my 400 pound ass in my crown victoria every day, but where's the crown victoria, anon?if automakers gave a fuck about us fatties they'd bring back bench seats.
>>29112471>if automakers gave a fuck about us fatties they'd bring back bench seats. You have to consider that they're not marketing to 'just' fatties, they're looking for the widest possible market - pun intended. You'll probably find that having acess to a centre console (/drinks holder/snack dispenser) appeals to a larger demographic.There's a good possibility that bench seats will make a return once the average American is too wide for a conventional single seat. It would be foolish not to cater to them.
>>29112292>Rav4 isn't the best selling vehicle in America for no reasonEveryone can't afford a Yukon Denali or similar so they "settle" for the crossover with the tiny engine that gets car-like MPG.
>>29110305Good goyim debt slaves
>>29110574How much of this is an age thing though? People put on weight as they get older. And generally european populations are older Also europeans naturally store more body weight
>>29110305salesmen and marketing making consumers want something more than they actually need so they can get more from commision
>>29110410>Its literally just emissions anon, people will buy cars if good ones are available but if you want a V6 or V8 engine these days, you're buying a larger vehicle to skirt around emissionsthere is so much wrong with this post i don't know where to begin
>>29110305Number bigger. Mo powa. Mo seats. Mo cupholders
>>29114644>People put on weight as they get olderthat's mostly from alcohol consumption. teetotalers don't really get fat.
>>29110305even during the Depression the I6 became the default base engine and nobody wanted I4s
>>29114725during the depression people had more purchasing power and more property than average people do now
THE GUBMINT FORCED ME TO BUY AN SUVIT WAS NOT MY FAULT I GOT FAT AND UGLYIT WAS NOT MY FAULT I'M 50 IQ POINTS DUMBER THAN MY PARENTS
qt starbucks barista complimented my 2016 corolla. she said smaller cars seem classy
>>29110305>needAmericans are 100% fuelled by want. We rarely do anything because we "need" to. We do what we want.
>>29110371>implying that the white soccer mom car isnt an suvwhy are whites so bad at accountability?
>>29110305Car registration costs money. Needing two cars to do two separate things is less economical than a car that can do both. But a car that can do three things in one, is the same reason why SUV's boomed in sales in the 90's.
>>29118438>Car registration costs money.I pay $8 a year for registration.
>>29118440Yet you can't pay $4 a the pump.
>>29114725I6s then also made under 100 hp
>>29118441What? Average in my city is slightly less than $4 right now.A 14 mpg SUV costs much more to run than a sport compact.
>>29110394Isn't Oma german tho? Did the nazis run to Indonesia too?
>>29118457you should have bought a nissan z it beats any shitty four cylinder chevy trash
>>29110305It's the women.
>>29110566>why are there still sedans?There basically arent any though. Ford discontinued the taurus in 2019, chevy the impala in 2020, that leaves the charger but I imagine it will either go electric only or be discontinued entirely within the next few yearsThe only reason we get foreign sedans is because theyre designed for other countries markets
