why aren't these more common in America?
>>29125721Because America is bigger than Europe
Europe is smaller so they work better, America is too big for them to be practical
>>29125725people can use them for their work commute.
>>29125737Not when the land is bigger
>>29125737Retarded post.You would need bigger wheels and they wouldn't fit.
>>29125721This would be based if it was bigger
Bigger lovers
As a thirdie I wouldn't wish these upon my biggest enemy/rival.
People saying they don't work in the US are idiots. Unless you live in a rural area I understand but even then 300+cc maxis exist. They are perfect for large cities. What it doesn't fit with is America's "keeping up with the Jonses" culture so they associate scooters with being poor (They're already poor but they don't want you to know that). So much so that they would rather sit in traffic for most of their day just to preserve their image.
You will die because every car is a crossover or a retarded lifted truck
>>29125721Too easy for crackheads to steal if you don't have a garage or back yard to keep it in.
>>29125788This is winter for a majority of the United States population (primarily east coast/Midwest). Two wheels does not work well there, it's why I moved away.
>>29125721everyone in america is rich as fuck so we buy a car because it’s more useful and a fuckoff big harley for when we want motorcycle fun.
>>29125721Because you would be killed riding one.Most American drivers are barely conscious behind the wheel.
>>29126013There's quite a lot of people in California, Texas and Florida
>>29125788Retard
>>29126013Then you use your car during that time. You can have both, you know. I use my car to go to work and groceries but every other time I go out is done on my scooter.
>>29126010the same is true of motorcycles and plenty of amerimutts ride those>>29126013people in fucking CANADA ride motorcycles in winter, it's not hard
>>29125723>>29125725>>29125721Because America is built as low density sprawl with poor zoning so your trip to grocery store happens on a 60-70mph urban highway where these can't go.It's not just how big it is, but the fact we paved over random cow pastures to build housing on and explicitly banned any type of store from opening in that area.
>>29126083Mad cuz poor lmao
>>29126093I'm sorry you're poor and mad anon
People aren't going to get a vehicle that can't do highway speed in an area in which they need to be able to do highway speed. So despite the bottom dollar price of these it's simply not an option for a lot of people. Never mind you're also fighting the american social stigma of motorcycles being so extremely dangerous that only a reckless retard would ride one.Also Europe has a lot of walkable cities that were built many hundreds of years ago, whereas a substantial amount of American infrastructure and residential areas were built after the proliferation of the automobile. Also riding in the rain and the cold fucking sucks and you can't carry like anything.So for those legitimate reasons, they're unfortunately not even considered for the people in which they would actually make sense. Which is a shame, because a scooter is just about the single most fuel efficient way to move a person, and the physically smaller size goes towards alleviating traffic and parking.Me, I'm not a loser so I ride bikes.
>>29125721Requires an extra license endorsement and I just can't be bothered.
>>29126102>I'm sorry you're poor and mad anon
>>29125721Probably because traffic in America moves at 80+mph (even in the city) and these things don't even do 80 km/h.
>>29126070Much of Texas looks like that in the winter, and the rest of Texas will kill you in the summer without A/C
>>29125721They're pretty gay
>>29125746the only reason the wheels are small is usa regulation
>>29126212they make 250-500cc versions THOUGH
>>29126294No it's because it's Asian and everything there is smaller especially Chinese penis, so small.
>>29126013Just plant your foot bro
>>29126387my foot is a mineral
>>29125788this kek, bikers are fucking coping faggots who didn't get love as children. Scooter chads win
I'm imagining some douche riding one of these things around town. A bearded hipster wearing a satchel
>>29125721E-Bike is a thing and offers what a scooter can do but also>allowed in bike lanes>petal when the motor doesn't work>doesn't cost as much as a moped
>>29126118>apples and orangesYou should probably compare cities directly instead of European cities to rural American areas. Is there a single major city in the US that wasn’t built hundreds of years ago? New York and Boston were there before the US was, to name just two of many examples. Most major IS population centers were built in the 19th and early 20th century before the advent of the car. Keep in mind, it wasn’t until after WWII that most Americans had a car.
>>29125723you do know that america is smaller then europe in both in terms of size and livable areas considering most of the us is desert
>>29126505im with fortnine on this. they are transparently mopeds/light motorcycles at this point. theres a lot of karen fear mongering about it but a ridiculous 2kw ebike with pedals is basically the same as owning a legit moped like picrel except it's easier to maintainofc though in america most places are starting to ban them because THINK OF THE CHILLUNS (real reason is because insurance companies and road pirates can't take their cut when you import an electric dirt bike off of amazon right to your front door)
>>29126505The only people in my community that I have ever seen riding bikes are>choppers = grey-haired obese = 3%>racebike = camo-military guys = 13%>E-BIKE = grade-school children = 84%
>>29126529I've been to Europe. It's a different ballgame. I don't have the patience to explain the world to you.
>>29126013ah yes I can tell due to the american license plates
>>29125721Because only folks with DUIs ride them and you need at least a 150cc to actually go anywhere that's not your immediate neighborhood. At which point folks just get a motorcycle.That being said, I miss my scooter.
>>29125721>people's commutes in America involve highway speeds>grocery stores are distant, meaning you often pick up a whole week of groceries at once>motorcycles are deeply culturally ingrained since WWII>usually not fast enough to dodge our typical 16 y/o asian female drivers in BMWs in cities where they are practical>half the country has severe weather conditions for much of the year>they are perceived as feminine or gayI would love to commute on a scooter for the four month's the roads aren't ice, but I would rather use that time on a motorcycle
>>29127058>>people's commutes in America involve highway speedsYou don't have to take the highway, though. At least for my commute to work a scooter only adds about an extra 20 minutes but you're having so much fun on your scooter you don't even realize it. Alternatively, you can use the scooter for anything other than work/groceries. I even got free parking every time I went to the hospital for follow visits. Shit was SO cash.
>>29127110If you are looking to have fun why not just get a motorcycle? They are only slightly more expensive.
>>29125721they’re too slow for how big the roads are and how fast people drive therefore it’s not safe to be in one until a president with balls comes along to ban cars of unusual size
>>29125721>why aren't these more common in America?Many would-be users won't buy due to safety reasons.Because a car is still needed to carry a large volume of things. And many women drivers will not ride on one due to fear of Fatigue crimes. China and generally the rest of Asia doesn't have Fatigue crimes (because they'd slay such criminals).Scooters are also dangerous to ride in the USA due to distracted drivers along with the careless drivers who barely passed the very easy driver license exam.
they made laws on wheel size to stop production of pic related only bc america is evil no other reason
>>29126505only the moped heads at ONYX make something attractive in the space
>>29125737>people can use them for their work commute.Too much rain for that. And then the snow and slush are also problems because OTHER cars will fling the slush onto you because you are low to the ground where all that stuff gets flung. People in a car have a car window opening pretty high off the ground so the flung water, slush, and grit never get to them But on a scooter you are subject to that.Picture: some scooters are so physically large and heavy that they rival motorcycles.
>>29126975in most of the US a 150 cc scooter is legally a motorcycle
>>29127198it looks like every other chink pit bike frame hub motor slop bike except it has ill-fitting plastics on it
>>29127122Completely different feeling of riding. Think of them more like little 2 wheeled go karts. And before anyone mentions groms, yes I am including them too. Small bikes are just fun. Can't explain it any more than that.
>>29126236>Much of Texas looks like that in the winterYou mean the state that has it's power grid shut down when it hits freezing?
>>29127195This, How many 4x8 sheets of plywood can your scooter carry, OP? Fuck off.
>>29127122scooters are more casual sorta fun and also a lot of them have little trunks and cupholders and better pannier mounting options and stuff so they're more suitable for a commute where you have a small amount of awkwardly shaped Office Objects or have places to be before/after. you can't hoon on one unless you're one of those madmen who gets a 2smoke version and got a literal degree in rocket science to squeeze an extra 0.7hp out of it>>29127058the only one of these that matters is >grocery stores are distant, meaning you often pick up a whole week of groceries at oncefor Me, Personally, a scooter can work because i live less than 1km from my local big grocery store. if not i would probably want something bigger (or to just have it delivered)but otherwise>people's commutes in America involve highway speedsget a maxi scooter, vespa makes a 500cc one>motorcycles are deeply culturally ingrained since WWIIso are scooter brothers>usually not fast enough to dodge our typical 16 y/o asian female drivers in BMWs in cities where they are practicalget a maxi scooter, vespa makes a 500cc one>half the country has severe weather conditions for much of the yearstop being a pussy>they are perceived as feminine or gaymost people who actually ride a scooter report that traffic is nicer to them, they have a calming effect because they look feminine and cute and a little nostalgic but are typically cheap so they trigger the Moe Reflex instead of the Ivory Tower Gay Hatred. you meet the nicest people on a honda
>>29127195the scooter rider was in the wrong here though
>>29127400No
>>29127110>You don't have to take the highway, though.This is how we know you don't live in the US.
>>29125721>why aren't these more common in America?People are too afraid of getting run over when riding these. There are a LOT of uninsured aliens and bad drivers out there. Those tiny scooter wheels do not potholes and wavy pavement. If you're turning or braking and the tiny front wheel hits one of these, you can be jolted to the side at risk of wiping out in traffic and having a car roll over you.>>29127385>in most of the US a 150 cc scooter is legally a motorcycleEven a 50cc scooter qualifies in my state. So there's no point in getting a 50cc scooter here because 150cc is the sweet spot in getting a scooter whose engine isn't stressed out.
>>29125721everyone's saying "because America is bigger" is retard. There are two hundred million plus Americans living in dense urban areas where these would be extremely practical. They're not popular because we're RICH and almost everyone can afford a car and almost everyone prefers a car.
>>29126013Skill issue, I've rode in blizzard conditions worse than that as a motorcycle courier
>>29126529US cities that developed after the car and/or in the west are a lot more sprawled out than anything in euroland. Phoenix is a good example of this, its population was like 100k in 1950. now it's ~4m.it's easier and cheaper to just keep building outward than it is to build up. (Pretty much anything west of the Mississippi or south of Mason Dixon was pretty small until the car and air conditioning -- with a few notable exceptions like SF)
>>29127894>primarily the east coast/midwestwe have road salt, retard, i ride all year
>>29127793In Florida you can get from Miami to Tampa all by city streets if you wanted to. Look up what a megalopolis is.
>>29125721Because you look like a faggot driving one.
>>29128146Plus niggers steal them.
Who gives a shit what europe thinks? those dipshit still havent figured out AC...thousands of pointless deaths a year because of sheer unbridled stupidity and arrogance.
>>29126070I wouldn't exactly call them people, except the Texans
>>29127894>"because America is bigger"this oml i cant possibly get from one side of my suburb to the other on a 250cc 2 cylinder 2stroke
>>29128145>driving from tampa to miami at 27mphnobody wants to though, and you aren't fooling anybody into believing they do
>>29128522That isn't the point and you know it. Don't do that.>implying all scooters only go 30 mphRetard. Modern liquid cooled 150cc scooters can hold 65 all day.
>>29125721The top speed of a 50cc will impede traffic on regular roads, and takes a good 15 20 seconds to get there.When you up the cc to 150-250, you are competing against the used car market where you have a trunk and 4 seats. Not to mention the faggotry image of being seen on one of these. They simply just doesn't work in America. 400cc Sport bike is entry level to get on the freeway. 650cc is where things start to make sense. But, at 650, you are making a lifestyle choice and money that could get you a reasonable used sports car.
>>29128145>In Florida you can get from Miami to Tampa all by city streetsThe huge number of winding streets and the chance of crossing slum areas at slower speeds adds a lot of distance and risk. One favourite place that Fatigue strikes bike riders is at local traffic lights. I know because a pair of Dindoo came at me while I was waiting for the light to change. They were intending to strongarm me off the bike, but I was able to luckily take off because there was enough space to do so.
>>29126087Nobody dailies a motorcycle in the winter in Canada. Maybe in BC where they don't get a lot of snow.
>>29125723Fatter, you mean.
>>29130986They do in Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal, I know people who do so in all three cities. Maybe not in Calgary, Edmonton, or Quebec City, fair enough.
>>29130881My point wasn't that you should do it or if it practical or not, the post I was replying to implied that you HAVE to take the highway to go to work. It is impractical, but you can go to Tampa off local streets if you had to for some reason.
>>29126537That’s a nice cope, I live in the desert, there’s farming and it’s plenty livable, it’s quite beautiful
>>29125721Ameribominations are literally too fat and stupid for scooters
>>29126537irrigating the desert is how we got civilization in the first place
>>29125721amerigolems are susceptible to propaganda and think every sit-down scooter is 49cc for some reason
>>29125721Because the majority of Americans are too fat to fit on them.
>>Jesus, that was a hard watch.
>>29127196This could NEVER work on American streets. America is simply too big.
>>29131027This.
>>29131149These are exactly the type of people I'd expect to get excited over the opening of a truck stop (that doesn't allow trucks).
>>29131027What happened in Australia and NZ?
>>29125721because we can have much more powerful motorcycles you faggot. You can actually ride these across the country
>>29125721Theyre all over NYC, but it doesnt make sense when you cant ride on the highway
>>29133530All the traffic you can osmosis your way through makes up for it.
>>29131149I will not tolerate Al-Buqqi (Peace be upon him) slander from infidels.
>>29127421how many do you got?
>>29133578>Ywn own a tuk tukIt hurts, bros.
>>29133640people started building electric ones in my city and they were banned within the yearanglos seethe when anything other than a lifted f150 is on the road
>>29125721I don't like them and I don't understand why Euros have an autistic bitch fit about it.
>>29133646I kind of want to say I understand with electric ones because any old jackass and their homemade, high voltage contraption sounds like a bad time.
>>29133776>homemadethey were being made in factories. basically just a mobility scooter with a canopy and a better gearboxanglos (such as yourself) are terrified of electricity though so it was banned basically immediately
>>29133800>Such as yourselfWho? I am an automotive idort. The only people terrified of those things are shareholders.
>>29133646They shouldnt be allowed to have canopies, i want me third world delivery slaves in worse conditions
>>29125788This is correct, outside of very harsh winters. I had a scooter just for recreation. It was an Aprillia Scarabeo 200. Just big enough to ride two people. They work well even in a small city. They sip gas, cost next to nothing to insure, and are easy to maintain. Parking is insanely easy too. And it’s a scooter; it’s just fun to drive.But people will absolutely assume it’s your only means of transportation and that you’re a poorfag. Presumably this is because we all intrinsically understand that it’s befitting the poor due to strict pragmatism. >but muh big country!Half of Americans live in cities. 165 million people but still very few scooters.No good in the winter though. You can bundle up for cold weather but can’t do shit about snow and ice. And the utility of a car can’t be over looked. You can’t pack a weeks worth of groceries into a backpack.
>>29133998you can pack a weeks worth of groceries in a big top box when adding underseat storage of large scooter, and in the cities, where you note all those people live, they cover the roads in salt, so snow and ice aren't really a concern in the effective usage envelope. It is purely a social phenomenon. It's the same reason old houses lose value in Japan, or that used vehicles don't hold their value in some parts of Europe. Most of the market is taste.
>>29133904>"cabin" doesnt even have pockets so the amazon wagie needs to wear hip holsters for all his shitidk how any amerimutt didnt see these things and immediately realize they are in a clownish dystopiawhats wilder is they will say these obvious EBIKES are okay and should be allowed on the sidewalk but something like picrel is chinese unrestricted warfare causing all traffic slowdowns forever
>>29128642Nobody wants to drive 200 miles on a scooter
>>29133998>but can’t do shit about snow and ice.neither can most car drivershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM8QMsVL58s
>>29134316We don't allow bombs on the road in civilized countries.
>>29134316These UPS quadricycles were deployed in Europe before America surrons and other ebikes are very popular with the moms group in my area (east central PA)
>>29134316only niggers buy these they are literally only on the market because the chinese keep evading DJT's legal tarriffs. They are destroying america. Hundreds of them explode in the street every year. Thousands are used in violent crimes. The literal only reason to own one is if you're a nigger who should never have been allowed out of jail or if you're a chink trying to ruin the USA. It's not even as fast as a USA made bike btw. Enjoy your tarriffs Can-Am! Leafs fully BTFO for cow dowing to the CCCP.DOW's over 60k BTW. Looks like your chinkcycles didn't put a dent in our AI Industry!
>>29133904Amazon also has these "e-assist" cargo vehicles where the drivers pedal furiously, but everyone knows the electric motor does almost all the work. It's good for "green" tax deductions for the company especially if the state or county has requirements for large corporations to do some sort of environmental impact mitigation.
>>29134354>only niggers buy theseAs with ebikes, the vast majority of Surron-type e-moto are stolen. As multiple rider vehicles have shown, the Fatigue Crowd will even come up to you while you are parked at the traffic light to try to take the e-moto from you.
>>29134940honestly i bet it's just so they can use bike lanes to squeeze out one extra delivery per day
>>29131149 i thought the joke was that fat people get maxi scooters
>>29125721America is bigger compared to most other countries, the average citizen is paid vastly more than most citizens, roads are very wide to accommodate cars and trucks rather than mopeds, lack of bike lanes, and general culture against it
>>29135210>America is bigger compared to most other countries,most american urban cities are comparable in size to cities elsewhere in the world
>>29126070Texas is actually far worse because instead of snow it is pure ice
>>29135212B-but urban!Americans travel way more to work compared to other "urban" countries. You are retarded to think that the US is just 5 citizens like in European countries
>>29135218UH OH STINKY
>>29135248>doesn't account for trafficPlease tell me you are not this retarded
>>29135218This, I have to drive over 1500 miles per day at my job. A faggy little scooter would never work.
>>29127397I suppose I agree, I have my own little 200cc motorcycle and often prefer it over my bigger bike, especially off road.I just have a big rack and milk crate or luggage boxes on my motorcycles, they can hold a lot. I admit cupholders and under seat storage would be pretty nice>stop being a pussyOur roads are very icy October-May and our trails are deep snow with rough/icy river crossings, if I rode a scooter maybe I wouldn't be a pussy but I would also be dead. I'm not saying I don't like scooters but most Americans would rather spend their limited riding time with something they perceive as more sporty and exciting
>>29136202>trails are the only place for a vehiclemaybe you should try getting a job
>>29131027>2022Not anymore lol
>>29135252Traffic would be a non issue with a scooter because you can go between cars. Also you know maxi scooters exist, right? They go highway speeds>Just get a modersickle then!They don't have an 11 gallon storage seats.
>>29136433Not sure how I implied that in any way and also not sure how my job is related to this. I ride off trails all the time and even put in my own trail to my place. We are talking about scooters, which are some of the worst vehicles to take off trail, and the average American, who almost certainly is not gallivanting off trail on a regular basis, least of all on a scooter.
>>29136614most americans are not gallivanting even on trails. they are on shitty surface streets getting out-nigged by the local constabulary
>>29134942I thought every american carries a gun? isnt that the point of the gun law that some thug cant walk up to you and shake you dpwn?
>>29126013You stash it into the garage for the season like you do with any bike.These are complete non-arguments.Americans are comfort craving people above all else and a big SUV is more comfortable than a dinky little scooter
>>29136668America is a cucked country larping as based and protected by the 2nd amendment, you can done a nigger for fucking with you, but be prepared to defend yourself legally becsuse fageys will make up shit on why yoy didn't need to shoot, thays why I think guns are kinda pointless, if you need a blick to feel any sort of safety, you are living in a shithole.
>>29136729>doneDome*
>>29136668Chances are that the attacker already has a gun up on you and this isn't hollywood where he has the reaction time of a snail. It is probably strategically safer to keep a fake wallet with you.
>>29136738Are you saying that in a real fight my opponent won't drag it out for 5 minutes for the added suspense while he gives an edgy monologue while giving me an opening?Are you saying that escalating a situation by whipping out another weapon increases the overall risk of someone getting shot?No way. I have self-inserted as the MC of every American action movie, I know intuitively that when I whip out a gun I am the good guy with a gun and God himself will ensure that I will murder all of the men within the 15-foot radius I can reliably shoot within with no punishment. xp
>>29136738>fake walletIm a beast of a dude but i keep $200 in my wallet in case they have the drop on me, sometimes you're just getting fucking robbed, I've never had it happen becsuse I stay out of shit areas but im not gonna risk killing someone with my immenseness and going to jail or get killed over some cash or my $2000 car.
>>29125721gay
>>29125721Plenty of doordash individuals drive those around my city.
>>29126092You made this up. I can open up google maps right now, go into any village out in bumfuck nowhere, and there will be a grocery store of some kind less than a mile away. If groceries were that difficult to access then nobody would be living there.
>>29137037I lived for 5-7 years where the nearest store or gas station was a 30 minute drive until just a few years ago. It's a real thing.I used to live 15 min from where this pic was taken, still pretty close, it's forest as far as the eye can see.
>>29125721These things are everywhere in any metropolitan city in the US. They're mostly just used to deliver food though.
>>29137050very very few people live this waythere's still 300 million plus of us in cities and near developments who could ride scooters everywherehundreds of millions of americans could happily get all their day to day living done on a bicycle or ebikewe just choose not to since we'd rather not there's nothing in it about practicalitywe like cars, we prefer cars, we have the money for cars, so we drive cars, even when we dont have to
>>29136759Have you considered movie prop money? That shit looks too real until you actually examine it. I doubt the attacker would sit there and check for it right in front of you.
>>29136666checked and I thought you were taking the opposite stance. Most Americans are confined to roads but they won't be riding a scooter on frozen roads, in monsoons, during floods, or in 120F with traffic and most of America gets something like that every year. It is hard for Americans to justify buying a scooter for the combination of factors I listed, the weather only being one detractor.
>>29125721all the danger of a motorcycle with none of the fun
>>29137117>Most Americans are confined to roads but they won't be riding a scooter on frozen roads, in monsoons, during floods, or in 120F with traffic and most of America gets something like that every year.i live in canada with a similarly swingy climate and while i can sympathize that people would prefer not to be on two wheels with just their clothing for it, to say that you CAN'T do it because of that is sheerly being a pussyt. literal faggot and very sensitive emotionally but as the finns say, there's no bad weather, there's only bad gear. or even as Big Daddy K put it>Man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example. But he can accept the risk of disease stoically. It is part of the nature of things, it is no one’s fault, unless it is the fault of some imaginary, impersonal demon.>But threats to the modern individual tend to be man-made. They are not the results of chance but are imposed on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.WE will play TOGETHER in a way that is FUN or WE will LOSE
>>29137228anon no one is saying you can't dress for the weather. i also live in the subarctic and enjoy the outdoors in all weather. what i am saying is two wheeled vehicles are terrible on ice, terrible in floods, and there is no gear you can wear that makes sitting in traffic in pheonix on a hot day comfortable. the answers to these conditions are cars. Have you ever ridden a two wheeled vehicle on ice? It is very difficult, very dangerous, and as you would call it "bad gear"This isn't even accounting for all the traffic sliding around the road that i'm sure you have encountered. Have you ever even seen a two wheeled vehicle on an ice covered public street? Motorcycles and scooters are afraid of wet grass clippings. They even avoid road paint when it rains. Are you telling me it is safe to ride on straight ice?
Cars are cheaper to own in America and motorcycles are less regulated.So poor people opt for a shit box and 2-wheel enthusiasts can just go buy a used Hayabusa if they want. The main use-case of scooters is DUI mobiles.
>>29125721125cc isn't enough for the average American 150kg
>>29137247>Have you ever ridden a two wheeled vehicle on ice?yeah i commute on a moped year-round>you would call it "bad gear">Motorcycles and scooters are afraid of wet grass clippings. They even avoid road paint when it rains. Are you telling me it is safe to ride on straight ice?actual unironic skill issue
>>29137328>commute year roundSo you know that conditions have to be perfect to stay upright? This isn't even counting the many fender benders you can't avoid which would be minor in a car but would cause major injury on a bike.>skill issueI ride in winter when conditions allow, which isn't often. It isn't a skill issue.Tires need enough lateral friction to stabilize the vehicle and many people live in areas where that simply isn't available year round. This isn't skill, this is the thing that allows two wheeled vehicles to work at all. Do you also think helicopters not being able to fly very high is a skill issue or is it the obvious result of not enough air density? Consider glare ice, slush/water on ice, hoarfrost, etc. While I am sure you are a tough guy and definitely not a pussy, I do know you are not arguing honestly so I'm done with this.
>>29125721Because it's illegal in most states to ride anything under 250cc on the highway. Highways also run directly through most cities in multiple spots.On top of that for the price you're gonna pay for one capable of 70 mph and at least 250cc new you can buy something infinitely less gay like a Honda Sabre 1100. Hell there's a 78 KZ1000 for 3500 bucks on marketplace right now and a new 400cc Burgman is like 9 grand.
>>29137355>many people live in areas where that isn't availableno many people do not live in areas where that isn't availablehere in the first world we use road salt to keep the roads free of icemaybe you live in yakutsk or edmonton or something, but very few people live in such placesthe whole of the lower 48 and most of alaska (by population) keeps ice off the road with saltmost of Canada keeps ice off the road with saltAll of japan keeps ice off the road with saltEngland rarely has snow and ice in the first placeI don't care about any other country There may be some days a year of freezing rain without road salt to keep the roads thawed, but those conditions are also genuinely hazardous to drive in, and if you drive in them you're dumb as nails. Any condition safe to drive in is safe to ride in except for simply far too cold for even the warmest gear - below 0F in my experience - and far too hot - above 100F with the humidity of my state, but I've ridden at hotter temperatures in dryer places.
>>29125721>costs as much as a motorcycle>does less>looks gayer>breaks more often
>>29137366This, if you need a faggot ass motorcycle license that, You may as well go full bikefag with an actual motorcycle or get a giant Honda accord (man's car) otherwise you can just get an bike to terrorize the streets with no license or insurance
>>29137732To ride that*An ebike*
>>29137360>Because it's illegal in most states to ride anything under 250cc on the highwayThis isn't true I googled it for every state, it's not true in any state. The closest I got was texas, which has some highways which are 250cc restricted, but its not a statewide blanket. In California there's a 150cc limit (not statewide), and there's going to be a 150cc limit in Illinois starting next year (statewide)Michigan is at 125ccOtherwise where limits exist its usually 50cc. Kansas' restriction is 5 horsepowerMany states have "motor driven cycle" prohibitions, which are in all cases not mentioned defined as mopeds.
>>29133494They make long distance scooters too
If scooters are so gay then how come I see more qt women sitting on the back of one than a regular motorcycle hmmmmmmm?
Motorcycles are coolerThat's literally it
I had one and it could only go up hills at like 25mph. It was literally ruining traffic and I had to make detours all the time to avoid traffic.
>>29125721How does ur girl give u head on this while you’re driving?
>>29138228not very carefully but also its really dry for some reason
>>29138222>I had one and it could only go up hills at like 25mph. It was literally ruining traffic and I had to make detours all the time to avoid traffic.So you had one of those tiny 50cc scooters whose engine was probably not able to put out what a normal 50cc should be capable of. In my youth, I rode a Honda 50cc 2-stroke scooter. So maybe you had a 4-stroke scooter which delivers a bit less power (forward speed) when on a steep incline.
>>29138228a second scooter
>>29138222>It was literally ruining trafficHow unfortunate. People have to slow down a little bit. Maybe even look around them. God forbid anyone smell the roses.
you actually have to know how to operate a motor vehicle to use one of these, so americans hate them.
>>29137751Well that's funny because in every state except for DC there's less than a handful of scoot scoots under 300cc capable of maintaining rates of speed congruent with flow of traffic on a highway which quite literally means your ass is gonna be had if a cop decides fuck you for causing a backup.Now you know why even 250cc motorcycles are colloquially known as "city bikes"
>>29128271jeets are not human
Because Americans are cowards
>>29138548Most 125's top out between 55-65 which is somewhere between "the speed limit" i.e. "the fastest you're legally allowed to go" i.e. "not getting you a ticket" and "15 below" i.e. "still not getting you a ticket in any state in the union." They're called city bikes because retards like you can't think straight, mostly.
>>29140416Kill yourself.
>>29138548moto gp uses 250 2-strokes
>>29140425NOOO I HAVE TO SPEED NOOOOOOOO I NEED TO ARRIVE 4 MINUTES FASTER AHIYYEEEEEEE
>He NEEDS a car to go to workWhy do you live so far away?
>>29127385Yeah, that's sort of what I was implying. Don't get me wrong. I loved mine when I had it. It was extremely useful as my daily commuter and also for leisure. I could actually carry stuff in it using the foot well and the milk crate I put on the back. It was small and nimble too so I could go places you couldn't take a bike. Plus it was cheap on gas. But my impression is that most folks will spring for a motorcycle if they actually need to get a motorcycle license.>>29127204Eh, it really depends on where in the states you are. I live in the south and I loved my 150cc. It was great in the summer. Though any issues you'll get riding a motorcycle you'll also get riding a scooter so you shouldn't be too surprised.
>>29127385>in most of the US a 150 cc scooter is legally a motorcycleIn my state, to ride a motorcycle on public roads, that requires a motorcycle driver license as well as the motorcycle having valid plates, tabs, and insurance. The state does have one kindness in that any scooter of 50cc or less does not require a motorcycle endorsement, thus a regular driver license may be used with a 50cc scooter provided that it is limited to a max of 30MPH on level ground.
>>29125721Because americans understand something very basic. The car is the optimal vehicle for personal transportation, bikes are at it's best when they're recreational vehicles. A commuter bike, no matter if it's a cruiser, a scooter, ADV or whatever, will always suck to commute with compared to a car
>>29142520I prefer commuting by motorcycle. I sold my car.
>>29142541Personal preferences have nothing to do it. You may prefer a motorcycle, my grandpa preferred to commute to the local village near the farm he lived on 70 years ago using a tractor, either way it's not the optimal way
>>29125721Most Americans are too heavy for those.
>>29142558I prefer it because its optimal
>>29142586No you don't
>>29142650It is optimalIt's cheaper. Purchase price, running cost of consumables, maintenance and insurance are all significantly less than a car. It's faster. In a car, my commute is 45 minutes in traffic in the morning. On my motorcycle, I can usually do it in under twenty by lane splitting. It's easier to park. My office building has motorcycle priority parking, and when I go to do meetings or field work there's always enough space on the street somewhere to wedge a motorcycle. It's spacious enough. I have plenty of space for groceries in my luggage, which is almost always the only errand I do right after work. In exchange I have to remember to bring rain gear in the summer (lives in a compression sack in my luggage) and in the winter I have to look like a highlighter. So it's cheaper, and it objectively accomplishes the job in less time. That's optimal. And, additionally, besides being optimal, it's more fun.
Some places are unsafe to travel on by motorcycle whereas you can get thru them if inside a car.
>>29142666You yourself showed why it isn't ideal, you had to make a bunch of concessions and rely on conditions specific to you to make it work
>>29142502>a 50cc scooter provided that it is limited to a max of 30MPH on level ground.dont worry about removing any limiters or governors, physics pretty much ensures you'll be fine satisfying that
>>29142738You might make it through with a fast enough bike and if the niggers happen to be unarmed that day.
>>29142749nta but the only downside of motorcycle (or scooter but lets get real a modern styled 250 "scooter" is basically a motorcycle these days) is that you don't have an enclosed cabinim an illegal ebike enjoyer and he's rightlane splitting/path usage makes it fasteryou can park it literally anywhere and on a vespa-styled one people dont even care if you leave it on any pavement that isnt directly on a sidewalkyou are not hauling individual 4x8 sheets of plywood every day so storage space is unnecessary if you dont have a poorfag jobif you are a poorfag crackhead you can easily fit a toolbag on the floor or get a top box/panniers for a motorcycle and should be using the company trugg for your individual 4x8 sheets of plywoodthe only problem really is that you need a half-decent jacket with the reflective piping (and most motorcyclists dont even bother with that and instead go for the standard squid black gimp suit)>>29142738stop being poor and move somewhere with fewer crackheads, simple as
Does longpost guy ever make posts on this board anymore? Thanks
>>29127834>Speedbump is designed to slow you down>Speed over the speed bump>Get flung on your faceWorking as intended.
>>29142917You also showed that the car is the better commuter because all the compromises you've shown for barely relevant advantages
>>29142938>faster>more fun>versatile>but i dont get AC or a cupholder so it's Le BAD!!! you're fat
>>29142989You keep just proving the point that cars are the optimal commuter vehicle
>>29142738Can't wait until tracked armoured personnel carriers are for sale at your local gm dealer.
>>29127204>too rainyScooters are like the main transportation method for people living in literal rainforests lolLook at the streets of hawaii, brazil, india, indonesia
>>29125721>why aren't these more common in America?AI scooters are coming. Yamaha and Honda have done research into that along with Chinese partners and Chinese OEMs. Yamaha calls it "Motoroid" type technology (remember Bubblegum Crisis anime). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rbM64dJB-UThe OMOX Scooter is one example.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPhQU8SDdhQAnother innovation comes from Japan for future escooters / emotorcycles with standardized battery packs by Gachacho which is a collaboration between Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki. This is to deal with the charging time problem for electric vehicles. Instead of plugging in and waiting for a battery to recharge, at various ENEOS gas stations, a rider simply swaps out their battery pack for a freshly charged one and they receive credit for the charge already on the battery being exchanged.
>>29136759It’s the principle
>>29137365Here in the First World we don’t Salt our roads because Salt is for FoodI’ve never even seen snowfall
>>29137763Kek one of my neighbors just sold his mustang gt and got a vespa or somethingHis girlfriend is v. BeautifulGood thing she isn’t his wife so I can covet her
>>29125737I live in the mountains 40 miles from work
>>29142749What do you think optimal means? Optimal means accomplishing the task most effectively with the least amount of resources. The motorcycle accomplishes the task of commuting most effectively with the least amount of resources. >you had to make a bunch of concessionsThe concessions are wearing something over my clothes on certain days. As if I wouldn't need a poncho anyway when it was raining or a coat in the winter. A rainsuit and a cold suit in combination with a motorcycle are fewer resources to commute than a car. They also do the job better than a car does since it's faster and easier to park.>rely on conditions specific to me Working in a major metro area with traffic is hardly "a condition specific to me." A car does something better than a motorcycle, but it does not do the job of personal transportation better than a motorcycle, being both slower and more expensive. It keeps you more comfortable. So by and large we don't choose cars because they're optimal, we choose them because, even though they're massively sub-optimal, we like to be comfortable.
>>29142738>See street packed with unhirable individuals>Still continue down streetThat's your own fault, desu.
>>29137752>>29133494is a "foot forward motorcycle" not just a really big scooter (with less cargo space somehow)?
>>29143274scooters are generally step-through with floorboards
>>29143230You yourself agree that the car is the optimal commuter vehicle in this very post
>>29142922>Does longpost guy ever make posts on this board anymore? ThanksNot for years now. He finally got his advanced university degree and went on to work in his chosen field. The last time he posted was around the Frosty time period when the new Frosty was the "malfoid" of that time on /o/
>>29144596The job of keeping me comfortable while travelling is not the job of travelling. The inability to draw fine distinctions is a sign of very low IQ.
>>29146600You're the one who keeps proving me rignt
>>29125721Trucks WILL kill you. I ride a full sized motorcycle and I'm terrified of riding during rush hour with MUH TRUGG hogging 2 lanes going 140+ kph swerving between traffic. A tiny little scooter that most truggs wouldn't see from looking outside either of their side windows would be suicide.
Also most people shouldn't be driving period. They should have a tiered system for drivers licenses where little scooters are at the bottom. 300cc and below motorcycles mid-range, and then Cars, and then Trucks and heavy vehicles. The current system where Pablo gets to drive a company F-250 after stepping off the boat and passing a 10 question multiple-choice test has made it too dangerous to be a full-time scoot/motorcycle rider.
>>29142738roads are wide enough to just pass swiftly
>>29146683histrionic
>>29143084>40 milesthats not even that far
I'd kill any of these if I saw them on my roads.
>>29148784This. They are nothing compared to my big strong truck.
>>29145187Thanks buddy, always enjoyed his stories.
>>29149055They are still archived on 4Plebs.https://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/27445097/#q27445731
>>29125721>>29125737Imagine riding the cuck cycle for a fucking hour on a highway
>>29125721There's no reason to get one of these instead of an ebike, motorcycle, or shitbox.
>>29125721We don't mainline onions over here. Can't say the same for Euros.
>>29125788I have two children, anon.
>>29149426Get them one too and ride around like the Brady Bunch.
>>29130881ohnonono do bikecucks really?
>>29149426I have four, do you bring them to work with you?
>>29149433>>29149531Funny, I guess they can fly to daycare and school.
>>29149468>ohnonono do bikecucks really?There have been dashcam videos of freeway traffic jams of this. The motorcyclist with a good bike is stopped in traffic with everyone else. A neighboring car full of black youths then has some dash out of the car and strongarm the motorcyclist off. One of them hops on the bike and takes off. The car takes off along the shoulder and is gone.
>>29125721I can smell the virginity from here anon>>29149544Couldn't happen to a better group of spergs kek>IM VERY MANLY BECAUSE I LIKE BEING COLD AND WET AND WASTING MONEY ON TOYS!>NOOO DONT TAKE M'HECKIN TOYS
>>29149538The bigger ones ride bicycles, the smaller one get driven about by my wife. Are you bringing your kids to school? How long is your house?
>>29149553>Couldn't happen to a better group of spergs kek>IM VERY MANLY BECAUSE I LIKE BEING COLD AND WET AND WASTING MONEY ON TOYS!>NOOO DONT TAKE M'HECKIN TOYSWell, they will also loiter into your neighborhood and take away your toys that way too.
>>29149538They can take the bus. Let them socialize for pete's sake.
Why would a company like kymco have assembly plants in China? Aren't Taiwan and China constantly on the verge of war?
>>29149881yeah but they print money for eachother and taiwan has the protection of the west
