30kmh is unhinged

>>29131610
>OP Image
>"Toronto: The Canadian City For Immature FAGGOTS!"
Charming.

That is below idle speed for lots of cars

Why 30kmph, why not 5kmph? Think of how many lives you could save.

30mph is fine for a neighborhood

>>29131610
Out of all the fucked up things to complain about in that god-awful nanny state, a reasonable speed limit in neighborhoods is what you pick to complain about? Good, Mohammed and Ranjeet shouldn't be able to fly through a quiet neighborhood in their subsidy-leased Model 3's without consequences.

>>29131633
>Mohammed and Ranjeet shouldn't be able to fly through a quiet neighborhood in their subsidy-leased Model 3
Why the hell would a lower speed limit be the thing that magically stops that?

>>29131633
>If they were speeding before, surely the change will mean they won't be speeding now

I guess Canada doesn't teach math.

>>29131630
It's kmph.

30 kmph is 18 mph.

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>>29131610
I don't live in Toronto but I have to go there for work sometimes. I hate Toronto and everyone in it. I drive like a fuckhead when I'm there to punish the denizens of that dump. If I saw a 30kmh sign I'd do fucking 10kmh and brake check every 10 seconds.

Toronto deserves a nuclear holocaust.

>>29131610
I a mountain bike being driven by a teenager on level ground can go faster than your speed limit. Your speed limit is too fucking slow.

Also, people are just going to stop paying attention to speed limits. Cops don't patrol residential neighborhoods like that, and people are just going to stop giving a fuck.

A law either needs to be actively enforced or it needs to at least meet all parties halfway. Otherwise, no one's going to give a fuck

>>29131651
>he doesn't know about speed cameras
Sukhdeep will just drive without a plate if you do that you'll get pulled over and fucked by the long dick of the law.

>>29131665
nta but in Ontario they banned photo radar last year. it was illegal for ages, then the libs brought it back for over a decade, then Dougie outlawed it after people complained that it was just robbery (which it is).

We have these cucked speed limits in school zones including when school isn't in session. I just speed through them, I especially like dodging all the traffic calming crap they throw up

>>29131637
>implying shitskins know maths

>>29131665
>Implying I.dont leave my license plate in the cabin by the rear window with my illegal ass tint

>>29131672
>implying implications

You don't know math.

>>29131610
>Ontarindia
>leafs
Yeah no. Canada doesn't consider them part of Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl7wHtj64Hs

>>29131622
no it's not

>>29131610
rare toronto L. for a place that hates public transit so much and does it wrong on purpose to own the libs, they sure do hate cars too all of a sudden

>>29131651
Police frequently patrol my neighborhood looking for poor and homeless people to bother since it’s a wealthy, non-gated community just outside of downtown. I’ve been pulled over twice in my LeSabre and then they just let me go when they realize I’m not a drug dealer like everyone else with this car and that my address is worth 300x what my car is. We have a 25mph limit and I’d fully support lowering it to 20, fwiw.

Isn't 30km/h normal for residential areas?

>>29131896
where im at it's usually 40-50

>>29131903
Do people ride bicycles there?

>>29131908
i guess
there's no dedicated bike lanes but the closer to the CBD you go, the lower the limits are. and there's a lot more bike infrastructure too.

>>29131910
>no dedicated bike lanes
in the suburbs, or at least, they're very rare.

>>29131896
everywhere ive ever lived residential zones are usually 50, but glhf ever hitting that if there is traffic

>>29131610
I pity the poor soul in this stroller, having to grow up in a 30km/h area :(

>>29131945
Yes, *that* is that kid's biggest problem in life.

>>29131925
50 is the limit for major city roads with clear lane markings.

>>29131947
lol

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>>29131625
Those also exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_street#Around_the_world

>US
>Avg home on my street is well into the 7 digits
>No sidewalk, no bike lane
>People jog in the road all the time, as do I
>30mph speed limit, everyone drives 40-45
>No one complains or cares at all
Common courtesy to your fellow man can replace rigid rules and regulation.
Reciprocity, you want rules for people not like you? Then those people will want rules for people like you. It's an arms race of creating more and more rules out of hatred for your fellow man.

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Honestly sometimes you guys are every bit as bad the left when it comes to flying off the handle over every little headline without actually looking into it at all. You'd think Toronto was putting 30km speed limits across the entire city. It's only certain highly dense areas that you frankly don't need to be driving fast down anyway. You shouldn't be going 30mph down a street like this ever, any where, for any reason. Plus, these places already had 40km speed limits anyway. Going 6mph slower down three blocks of a residential street takes you like an extra 15 seconds.

>>29131958
Those look like 30mph (35 actual) roads to me.

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Japs did it too last summer

>>29131958
>boilingfrogs.pdf

>>29131644
most cities and states are 20mph unless posted otherwise. 20 is reasonable for a neighborhood, especially when most people go 5+ over anyways. lowering speed limits at terminal points of a trip do save lives and make for quieter neighborhoods while negligably affecting travel times. you can still go 70 on the highway, its just now you have an incentive to route around the neighborhood because of the speed limit. cars and cagers are a blight.

>>29131958
>You shouldn't be going 30mph down a street like this ever
I agree, 60mph minimum is much more reasonable.

>>29131967
boiling frogs until ur kid gets blindsided by some bimbo soccer mom cuz she couldn't see ur kid running out from behind one of those parked cars and the massive hood of her curb rashed escalade.

>>29131964
Doesn't matter what they look like "to you". To Jamal they look like 60mph streets.

>>29131971
Have you considered teaching your kids to not play in traffic?

>>29131968
>most cities and states are 20mph unless posted otherwise
"default" speed limit in residential areas is 25-30 almost everywhere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction

>>29131976
It's not playing "in traffic". It's a residential suburb.

>>29131965
on le togue it makes sense to impose harsher speed limits because they have dick all for shoulders and if you speed and fuck up you go flying off a cliff

in a residential neighborhood 50 is a fine limit. you never hit it anyway because you should be driving carefully, but if it's 1pm, sunny, and there's no traffic, you still have plenty of braking distance and long sight lines and because muh parking minimums you dont see a ton of street parking that hides chilluns and ebi*ers

>>29131997
It's not for the "touge", it's for residential areas specifically, but it's okay when japan does it

>>29131999
>it's okay when japan does it
You're having delusions. No one said or implied that it was okay for that Japanese prefecture to do it. 99% of us will never drive or even go there so it's not a concern.

>speed limit
:|
>speed limit, japan
:O

>>29131685
the "toronto accent" sounds like the whitest person alive trying to pretend to be haitian but forgetting that haitians aren't that french

though fwiw tbqh m'duckys the "canadian" accent with Ehs in it and much more nasaly sounds and no hard consonants is really just the maritime accent

>>29131965
I'm surprised they didn't do it earlier. This shit has been standard in Europe since the 90s.

>>29131650
>i wouldnt be a pedophile if the indians didn't take all the damn technology jerbs!

>>29132026
The Toronto accent sounds like Jamaican Leprechaun. The maritime accent is very Irish. The "Canadian accent" is pretty close to Minnesotaese with more eh's and buds thrown in.

>>29131958
No? Those are just regular residential roads. 18 mph is extremely slow for those roads.

>>29131957
>hatred for your fellow man
browns are not my "fellow man".

>>29131851
>rare Toronto L

Toronto is nothing but L's, the entire city is a shithole. Not a single redeeming quality.

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War is inevitable.

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>>29132455
*preferable

>>29132398
24mph is slow too bro. It's not like they're trying to do something insane like cut the freeway limit in half. It's an already low speed in the first place, and now it's just a tiny bit slower. It makes a nearly imperceptible difference to the driver. "Imperceptible" means something you don't notice btw

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>>29131610
Wtf is wrong with them.

>>29132489
>boilingfrogs.avi

>>29131610
Someone thought that that image would trigger a sense of duty in slowing down to avoid inadvertently hitting people

>>29131610
Every day I wake up and I thank God I am not born in new new delhi

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>yeah but the number on the sign says-
hahahahah who gives a niggers last shit? cop didnt see it i didnt do it

>>29132489
No again? We're talking about actual money being ticketed to people. This isn't your sophist bullshit, 18mph vs 25mph is completely different. And if it wasn't, a city government wouldn't be trying to claim otherwise.

>>29131610
Who are these "canadians" always bitching about Canada here? Move away, faggot

>>29132709
Go back to your hovel, Jatinder

>>29131682
>NO U

>>29132531
no they didnt, they picked it to ragebait. they are doing shit wrong on purpose to "prove" that the ONLY way to have a "functional" city is to have it be 100% highways with a precisely 110kmh speed limit

>>29132086
>Jamaican Leprechaun.
so a haitian

>>29131908
no, toronto has been removing bike lanes actually, it is so le heckin based

Went on a trip to Canada this year and in both flights I had gay middle aged married men sitting next to me

>>29133656
>>29132455
civilizational suicide

>>29133621
You don't need bike lanes in a 30 zone.

I get the annoyance at the concept of arbitrarily lowering limits, but as someone who grew up on a small side street (where these bullshit 30 limits would apply), it's somewhat reasonable. you can't pass another car without ducking into the parking lane slightly, and there are speedbumps/blind intersections, and hidden stop signs everywhere. 30 vs 40 is almost irrelevant on this roads. these aren't wide ass suburban streets where 30 would be laughable

>>29131666
>then Dougie outlawed it after his staffers and daughter kept being ticketed
nice try satan. he only got rid of them because they directly impacted him, not because people complained (he left them up for years, remember). they were gay as shit, and good riddance to removing the cash grab, but get your facts straight

>>29134240
Speeding tickets are a fucking cash grab. There is no reason I shouldn't be allowed to go as fast as the road allows me. It's these nigger cyclists and busriders getting in the way of actual commerce and industry.

>>29132019
I think those low speed limits make sense when you consider how narrow their streets tend to be in residential areas, and same here in many cities in Europe: >>29131951

You just don't want to keep blasting through places where your visibility ain't shit due to closely parked cars and people strolling around cluelessly. But making the whole city like that is pure idiocy for sure, incompetent fucks and geriatrics just shouldn't be driving if they can't do it safely at speed.

>>29131644
Why are they doing such a specific speed?

>>29134582
>You just don't want to keep blasting through places where your visibility ain't shit
the thing is while people may generally suck at driving, they will always drive at whatever speed they're comfortable at. if a limit is set too low, everyone just disregards it and that creates even more of a risk of a collision.
whereas a limit that people feel is too high, most of them will actually drive slower and more cautiously as a result. the remaining people that speed regardless, well, you were never going to be able to stop them speeding in the first place.

>>29134953
Until the police sends them a ticket.

>>29134953
Yea good point about people driving at their comfort level. Traffic engineers sometimes do things like narrowing the road, swapping road surface to cobblestone or introducing speed bumps (yuck) to work around this. IMO it makes sense only in areas with lots of pedestrians and cyclists or whenever there's a dangerous intersection coming up.

>>29134960
in my cunt they just use the loicense of foreigners that are just here for a holiday lol

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If you have a functional police force and court system, speed limits are completely unnecessary.
>but what if someone crashes?
They or their insurance pays for the damages.
>but what if they permanently injure someone?
Then they or their insurance can pay the victim restitution for the rest of their life.
>But what if they can't afford it?
Fuck 'em. They can go to a work camp and create the necessary value.
>But what if they kill someone?
That's called vehicular manslaughter, and you go to jail for that.
>This will unfairly target certain people!
No, it won't. The rules of the road are the same for everyone and physics doesn't discriminate. Motor vehicles are capable of enormous amounts of damage and if you can't handle that responsibility, then you either shouldn't drive or should be duly punished when you fuck up. It's that simple.

A crime requires a victim. If I drive fast, who is the victim?

Fucking nobody, that's who.

Picrel, my girl's car got rear ended by a fat lolberterian dude a couple weeks ago. It's been a huge pain in the ass to make sure we're made whole.

>>29135113
>If I drive fast, who is the victim?
Everyone who doesn’t want to live under a permanent death threat idiot.

>>29135113
>A crime requires a victim.
it does not and no law of any land is prefaced with this

even if you do commit a crime with a victim, the case is not "(You) vs [VICTIM]" it's "The State vs (You)"

>>29135182
If the consequences are appropriate, this causes idiots to be filtered out and player characters to be careful.

>>29135206
Fundametally, it does. Anything more is authoritarian bullshit, which is unfortunately the norm in Western nations.

>>29135240
>If the consequences are appropriate
Being harmed or killed never seems appropriate no matter what.

>>29135240
>Fundametally, it does
proofs?

>>29132082
Who are you quoting?

>>29131610
nice. would be better if it was 40kph like europe, very reasonable residential speed.

the big issue is enforcing it. most north american roads outside of the east coast cities are too wide to reasonably expect people to drive that slow. once we narrow roads it'll be a lot more pleasant for both drivers and /n/iggers

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>>29135182
>I LIVE UNDER A PERMANENT DEATH THREAT
Not a big enough one apparently.

>>29131635
upper middle class whites are extremely sheltered and cannot comprehend that someone would ignore or flagrantly violate the law because they personally would never do it.
>b-but.. that would be morally wrong..? the sign says slow down so they simply MUST
it explains a lot about their voting habits as well.

>>29131958
nobody actually does the speed limit on those roads because the only people who drive on them are the people who live on them. suburban roads like that are designed specifically to "calm traffic" by disincentivising through traffic.
that's the purpose of zoning, by the way. to make living spaces slower and calmer and safer. we already solved this problem a century ago, and now libshits are having to reverse-engineer these solutions because they threw them out in their desire to create faggy little "euro-style" mixed-use urban areas. well, now we have 19th century-style urban decay, caused by the exact same problems that led to cities like London and New York being filthy hellholes back then outside of the ultrarich areas.

>>29135240
>walking on sidewalk, get liquified by someone losing control around a blind corner after going 75 in a 25
"consequences of your actions bro, shoulda been more cautious

>>29135604
>the whole world must suffer because of my crippling paranoia about a one-in-a-million hypothetical event
the /n/igger mindset

>>29135436
30 is the standard in Europe.

Speed limits should be integer multiples of 25. On a quick glance it's possible to mistake 30, 50 and 70 but 25/50 and 50/75 are clearly distinguishable and deciding between 25 and 75 is basic common sense.

>>29135246
so then just drive at the speed you're comfortable at...if you feel the speed limit is too high just drive slower and let faster traffic pass you

>>29135616
imagine being this level of retarded

you literally dont even know how to read a speedometer

>>29136091
I think he doesn't know how to read road signs.
If all limits were based on multiples of 25 you wouldn't need signs at all, you'd just say oh a 1x1 city street it must be 25 here's a big 3x3 with stoplights it's 50 now I'm on the highway it's 75.

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>>29135614
There are many things that are "standard" in europe that other places want zero part of.

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>>29131610
>meanwhile in the U.S.A. my state rep literally campaigned on RAISING the speed limit to reduce commute times
Feels good to be American bros...

>>29131610
Nobody in Canadian politics has the balls to address the real menace on the road: jeet truckers and jeet delivery drivers.

>>29135113
>That's called vehicular manslaughter, and you go to jail for that.
Yeah, that's cool, but that won't bring back to life the killed one

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>>29131610
So it's just on neighbourhood and residential roads? That's literally nothingburger, 30 kph speed limit on streets like pic related is already a thing in most euro countries.

>>29135798
>so then just drive at the speed you're comfortable at
I think we're talking about the pedestrians in these residential streets anon, them being harmed or killed is not an appropriate consequence.

>>29138062
which is why you design the road to be unpredictable/uncertain. if there's lots of places where you can't really see and someone could just dart out at any moment, people will slow down.

>>29138159
>which is why you design the road to be unpredictable/uncertain.
Based WRC enjoyer.

>>29137007
NUMBER HAS GONE UP THOUGH

AI BUILD AND TEMPORARY FOREIGNERS PROP UP TIM HORTONS

STOP BEING RACIST

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>>29138062
>pedestrians in these residential streets
Why are the pedestrians "in" the residential streets instead of on the sidewalk.

>>29131610
There are no leafs left in Toronto.

>>29138532
People crossing the street, kids playing, neighbour meetings, ...

>>29140742
and rama rama sleeping in the streets

>>29140789
No. Stray cats and pigeons don't count either.

>>29140895
abos sleeping in the streets may or may not have been a joke

>>29140954
If Australia wasn't already a white country they'd 100% be trying to import this shit here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClBRaretEk

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>>29134598
at typical city speeds of 50km/h, a pedestrian is 50% likely to live after getting hit.
at 30km/h, a pedestrian is 90% likely to live, and typical car stopping distance is halved which might prevent a hit in the first place.

Toronto in particular ran an experiment reducing some 40km/h streets to 30km/h, and noted a 28% decrease in incidents outright and a 67% decrease in major injuries or deaths in the remaining incidents.

>>29140976
>a pedestrian is 50% likely to live after getting hit.
First off that's not what your propaga/n/da says and second why did you intentionally round 60% down to 50%? Or can you just not do literal first grade subtraction?

>Global Alliance of NGOs
LOL

>>29140994
because I was reading three study summaries at once and they each had slightly different numbers although all in the same ballpark.
image was a handy all in one reference.

>>29140999
Does that also explain why you read "fatality or severe injury" and ignored every word after the first?

>>29141000
>hurting people with cars is good, actually

okay bro.

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>>29141001
>IF IT JUST SAVES ONE LIFE
And if you make the speed limit zero and ban cars forever no one will ever be unhappy again.

>>29131976
Kids, as we all know, always do exactly what they're told at all times. They are also acutely aware of the potential consequences of their actions and use this knowledge to avoid dangerous situations.

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>>29141008
Have you considered that the kid is too stupid to live and/or the parents are too stupid and neglectful to breed?

>>29141020
Every kid is too stupid to live, that's why they need 18+ years of parenting

>>29135113
>If you have a functional police force and court system,
lol never gonna happen again, arguable if it has EVER happened, anywhere, at any time

>>29132452
It is BUILT for CARS, even worse traffic and public transit than LA, that's beautifil and the world is MEANT for CARS which can live happy and free stalled out in mid-day traffic in T-Dot

>>29141035
What does "parenting" even mean if not keeping your kids out of the fucking street?

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>>29141104
Making sure the streets are a little safer because you can't keep little timmy on a leash 24/7

>>29141111
>it's everyone else's problem that you're too shitty of a father to keep little timmy from acking himself
no

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>>29141117
Yes, actually, because this is the exact reason countless residential neighborhoods adopt speed control measures. It's really, really common.

>>29141120
Just cut to the chase and admit the end goal is to ban cars entirely.

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>>29141124

>>29141125
So how low of a speed limit is safe enough and why should we stop there when 0mph would be even safer?

>>29141124
its so funny seeing paranoid schizophrenics like you act like there is some centralized cabal trying to ban something as profitable as cars. the elite don't give a shit about your personal freedom to own cars, they just want your money. car companies would never let your politicans ban cars because it would inhibit their ability to separate you from your money. we should stop at 30kph because the rich and powerful still want you to own two cars and drive to work, but they don't want people killing themselves en masse due to having to live in car only suburbia because that's less customers

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>>29141173
>your cabal of safety nazi commies fucking up the world is schizophrenia
>my cabal of elite canadian auto barons secretly pulling the strings of government is just pure fact
k

>>29141173
So you admit you'd totally lower it to zero if you could but those damn Toyota execs are the only thing standing in your way? Remind me to send them a thank you letter.

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>>29141126
I've never once advocated for any of this. I've simply explained why it happens. 20-25mph is probably fine. I've seen private or gated communities as low as 5.

>>29131965
18mph speed limit on a mountain road is diabolical. They're trying to get people to cook their brakes

>>29141001
>>hurting people with cars is good, actually
Yes.

>>29141184
i mean my cabal admits it publicly and is exposed in official government conflict of interest filings, at least in murica idk how it works in canada