>>29144817
And they’re going to produce a grand total of 2 units—one for a museum and another for testing?

Besides, where can you even go to fill up a hydrogen tank?

>>29144823
It's a proof of concept and demonstrates that powerful internal combustion engines run on hydrogen.

A network of hydrogen refueling stations can be established over night. Towns and cities just have to build electrolyzers, which is no big deal.

"hydrogen combustion is the future!"
>last seen online October 2024

>>29144817
Takes.more energy to split hydrogen than "burn" it. You cant beat physics.
Its dead tech until we can harvest the sun.

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>>29144832
Hydrogen fuel cells are even more efficient.

>2,500 km on 1kg of hydrogen at 45 km/h
Beats every battery powered e-bike/scooter.

ICE is just cooler.

>>29144833
Electroylzers produce hydrogen 24/7.

Losses are meaningless in abundance.

>>29144835
You're not looking at the big picture. Hydrogen combustion is significantly less efficient than a hydrogen fuel cell. Plus a HFCV requires significantly, overwhelmingly less maintenance. You win in every way possible except I guess "weight" which is hardly relevant. So if we're using hydrogen to power cars, then it's going to be via fuel cell and then you get into the BEV efficiency problem

>>29144817
Do you live somewhere with enough water and actually clean energy to make the hydrogen? Of course you don't. You probably live in the parasite state that needs it's power and water shipped in.

>Car I can't buy runs on gas that ain't at the pump
Might as well talk about F35 fighter jets or something

>>29144950
Hydrogen combustion is more efficient than gasoline combustion, and hydrogen fuel cells are better than battery powered vehicles since hydrogen has higher energy density and can be refueled faster. They also pose less of a risk of spotaneously combusting and don't overload the grid.

>>29144957
>Hydrogen combustion is more efficient than gasoline combustion
Irrelevant. It's less efficient than a fuel cell. Therefore it's immediately out of the question. If you're going to go through the effort of building/renovating thousands upon thousands of hydrogen fuel stations, and develop and build cars capable of storing hydrogen safely, then you're using that hydrogen in a fuel cell. Hydrogen combustion makes no sense in any meaningful way.
And to say HFCVs are less efficient than BEVs is another case of not looking at the bigger picture. When you talk about the efficiency of a fuel cell, you're conveniently leaving out all the parts necessary to get the hydrogen into the tank. All the energy spent processing the hydrogen, transporting it, storing it, running the stations to supply it. Tens of thousands of middle men cut out by simply putting the energy straight through a wire and into the car

But does it sound good?

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>>29144967
>Irrelevant
Wrong. Riding an V6 engine is a completely different feeling than riding a faggot electric motor.

>>29144974
Facts don't care about your feelings

>>29144979
Humans aren't robots, we have feelings. Driving is feeling.

>>29144971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXDt-TuA8o

>>29144980
Well when you manage to convince 8 billion other people that that's true then it will be relevant. But as long as the best selling cars in the world are all 4 doors with either cvts or hybrids, then it's not a good selling point.

>>29145005
When 8 billion people recharge their BEVs the grid will be fried.

>>29145047
See, that's a relevant issue. But "hydrogen injection is better than a HFCV because I like the rumbly feeling in my butt and the vroom vroom noises" is not.

why do the same threads keep popping up with the same arguments and the same comments and the same pictures? Hydromeme will never happen. Hydrogen energy density and storage is dogshit and always will be until metallic hydrogen is made cheap (never).
You know how to make hydrogen good? Attach a carbon atom to it

>>29145092
I’ve made one (1) thread about hydrogen powered cars and then my IP range got banned. Now I’m back and you still have no (0) arguments against hydrogen and I haven’t even brought up Fraunhofer’s POWERPASTE yet.

Hydrogen has
>highest energy density of any fuel (when stored in solid state)
>best storage (solid state)
>best recycle ability
>best availability (water into hydrogen through electrolysis)

>>29144835
>1kg of hydrogen
>The lightest of all elements

Tanks gonna be massive.

>>29145126
Yeah, that car is massive… *rolls eyes*

>>29144824
There have been extremely efficacious hydrogen power plants for decades now.
The problem with hydrogen is sourcing, transporting and containing it locally
>t. wanted to believe in hydrogen for my entire life and still do.

>>29145137
You don’t have to transport it anywhere when you produce it locally. When there is water and electricity then you have hydrogen.

One commercial wind turbine can produce over one ton of hydrogen per day.

>>29145141
So you're going to build a wind turbine at every gas station?

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>>29144817
One of the coolest builds at SEMA this year was this 61 Chevy with hydrogen power. V8 rumble and zero emissions. Based.

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>>29145658

>>29145654
>>29145658
>>29145660
that's very cool, nice

>>29145654
Awesome. Meanwhile batteryfags cope with fear of thermal runaway.

>>29144836
We don't have an abundance of energy. Electricity prices are exploding worldwide.

>>29145835
That’s by design so they can have you by the balls. There’s no logical reason to not have abundance with the technology we have available.

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While cars often successfully use electric motors, current battery tech isn't feasible for heavy industrial machinery. JCB is moving forward with hydrogen, as it can be refueled in minutes and is much lighter than battery powered.

>>29144817
rockauto carries corvette c8 parts

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>>29146437
using high capacity batteries in heavy duty vehicles is lunacy
not only do they take forever to charge, but when fully charged they are death traps
you will not get my ass into such a vehicle voluntarily

wanted to ride my buddies ebike but the batteries weren't charged
had to wait till next day to ride it but then it rained all day :/
batteries suck bigly

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>>29144817
>hydrogen fuel

>>29145137
>efficacious hydrogen power plants
they may be efficacious but they use thousands of tons of hydrogen that could be used as fuel for cars

>>29146664
Imagine if the post you were responding to had a second sentence lol like can you even imagine if there were more words than just the very first line lmao

>>29146668
sourcing, transporting and containing are not problems whatsoever

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>>29146582
Quality time stamp.

>>29146855
No one ever said they were "problems" dingus

>>29147112
>”The problem with hydrogen is sourcing, transporting and containing it locally”

>>29147330
Look I'll spell it out for you. The "problem" with sourcing transporting it and containing it is that it requires energy. Any benefits it might have had go right out the window after you factor all that in. It will never make sense to spend energy to collect the hydrogen and then spend energy to transport the hydrogen and then spend energy containing the hydrogen and then spend energy running 100,000 hydrogen refilling stations when you can use that same energy to go straight from the power plant through a wire straight into the car.

>>29147386
>this is your brain on lithium-ion batteries

>>29147392
Yeah bro, welcome to the 21st century. Hydrogen fuel cells are at least twice as efficient as hydrogen combustion. So if you're taking about using hydrogen as a fuel source, at least for passenger cars, fuel cell is a clear winner. And if you're ultimately just using hydrogen to make electricity to put into a battery, why not just put the electricity directly into the battery.

>>29147409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM

>>29147422
Don't act like no gas car ever caught on fire. This is a purely engineering issue, not a fundamental flaw in the battery. China can't build cheap ebikes that don't catch on fire, but you trust them to make 10,000psi hydrogen canisters?

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>>29147445
all it takes is magnesium to avoid high pressure vessels
you know that, too

>>29144824
>>29145137
hydrogen is an excess-energy storage medium
if we had a ton of nuclear power, or a fuckton of solar power, hydrogen would make sense
we're still burning coal and gas
hydrogen is a meme

>>29147447
That wasn't the question.

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>>29147468
you're boring to talk to so i don't put in any effort

>>29147476
Boring is better than trying to constantly change the subject with literally every new post.

>>29147445
Gas cars catch fire because Bubba fixed the fuel system himself of Tyrece rev bombed some clapped out "tuner" car in a mall parking lot. EVs catch fire at completely random because of manufacturing defects.

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>>29147582
it's not just manufacturing defects
a small dent and they will short and cause thermal runaway

they had to reinforce the bottom side of BEVS because gravel would damage the batteries

they have to invent systems to deal with this enormous problem

batteries are fragile and take a long time to charge
it's not feasible to recycle them and they will cause mountains of toxic landfill
they lose capacity after the first charging cycle
it's dumb shit for impressionable idiots

>>29147587
>prevent injuries
seems a bit contextual that does

>>29147582
So you're telling me no car ever made has ever had a fire related recall?

elon - the fraud - musk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPnT-DCBVs

>>29147686
If you mean some Porsches and such the reason for those was that rich retard idle and rev bomb them in hot weather ac at full blast when the cooling system for those were designed for high speed driving with high airflow.

>>29145102
>solid state
will never be practical. Show me you hydrogen ice storage
>best recycle ability
irrelevant
>best availability (water into hydrogen through electrolysis)
complete waste of power when you realize your care will have 60 miles of range because there is no good hydro containment

The future is synthetic hydrocarbons

Based alpine.
I love my A110 GTS

>>29144971
>v6
>sound good
pick 1

>>29148091
Sounds okay to me. Watch: >>29144982

>>29144982
God damn.

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>>29148088
>A110 GTS
slick ride

>>29147749
Wait you seriously believe no ICE car ever had a fire related recall before?

>>29148510
Well sure there has, I just don't autistically keep up mental records of everything though. Quick googling shows that most recent ones that aren't EV battery fires are related to electrical systems.

>>29148523
So do you think it would be a valid argument against any and all gas powered vehicles if I said "sometimes they catch on fire"