>2010 car forums>”Buy 90s japanese and german cars!”>which were 10-15 year old back then>dirt cheap with cheap parts>faster than any street car at the time>2026 car forums>”Dude buy 90s japanese and german cars!”>30 year old rustbuckets>overinflated prices 10-20k easily>they need another 10k in repairs, oem parts no longer manufactured>slow as shit nowadays, you get gapped by the kia suv made for soccermomsThe internet is just a cargocult, where people repeat the same exact sentences over and over not realizing the times have changedWatching the E30 or Supra still being recommended in the current year is like telling people to buy a Playstation 1 if they want to play GTA 6, but in a world where a used dirty PS1 costs more than a PS5
>>29147413>90s jap and german shitcans were faster than any street car in 2010lol
>>29147413>faster than any street car at the timelmao this retard is talking about the 2010s, it's the same era as today, child
>>29147413>faster than any street car at the timeAmerican V8s walked German and Japanese cars in 1995-2000.
>>29147417They couldn't compete on any other metric so they put truck engines into cheap cars
>>29147413>2010 car forums>”Buy 90s japanese and german cars!”>which were 10-15 year old back then>dirt cheap with cheap parts>faster than any street car at the time>2026 car forums>”Dude buy 90s japanese and german cars!”>30 year old rustbuckets>overinflated prices 10-20k easily>they need another 10k in repairs, oem parts no longer manufactured>slow as shit nowadays, you get gapped by the kia suv made for soccermoms>The internet is just a cargocult, where people repeat the same exact sentences over and over not realizing the times have changed>Watching the E30 or Supra still being recommended in the current year is like telling people to buy a Playstation 1 if they want to play GTA 6, but in a world where a used dirty PS1 costs more than a PS5
>>29147419they couldn't compete because they were banned from eurocuck motorsports.
>>29147419The Viper and Corvette mogged the M3 and M5 on the skidpad
>>29147426Yes, they were quick and they managed to build very capable cars on cheap production budgets, but thats all they were. They were spec sheets on wheels. When it came to things like ride, build quality, etc they took another 2 decades to catch up
>>29147426MCDONALDS
>>29147426Yeah but the viper and the corvette were unaffordable
>>29147419>they put truck engines into cheap carswhy is that even remotely a problem instead of really fucking cool?
>>29147481American truck cars barely get any hp/l and they can't fit on roads planned in the 1800's
>>29147481Its cool if all you care about is having the most amount of power for the least amount of complexity and cost, and at the expense of every other quality that could make a car enjoyable to live with
>>29147502>yes
>>29147428if european cars were built well, they'd actually last. europeans licensed magnetic ride from american automakers because they were behind in technology.
>>29147632Their build Quality isn’t necessarily the cause of them not being driven to HIGH mileage
>>29147635I don't speak hispanic.
>>29147510Based simpleton
>>29147632"Lasting" is the most important metric for a car when you are poor and need to wring every last possible cent of value out of something before you scrap it, and im tired of poors telling me what makes a car good. Adults understand that if you want a car thats more capable and has appealing qualities beyond a nice spec sheet, that often means making something more complex, with higher R&D, more exotic materials, and more often times more failure points. Your magnaride suspension is a fantastic example. Its more capable but also more complex and more expensive to build than a traditional gas strut.
>>29147413Are you dumb? E30 is expensive now. Recommended as what? A fun project car, yes. A daily driver? No. Learn to read idiot first of all and fix your skill issue by buying a titanium mig 140.
>>29147632What a retarded metric. No one drives them that long lol. Poor people buy poor people cars and drive them till the wheel fall off. It's not the hard to figure out if you spend even a moment critically thinking about it. I've had multiple 200k+ M50/52s.
>>29147417Lol no they didn't. Turbos dominated at my local drag strip in the early 2000's. A 90's mustang or camaro was making about 280-300hp unless it was some unobtainable special edition. To make more power meant swapping cams and finding someone who could tune an ECU, which was black magic in those days. Turbo cars just needed a boost controller and a way to fool the ECU into thinking it wasn't overboosting. At my local strip the fastest cars were 60's and early 70's American muscle and turbo imports. WRX's, MR2's RX-7's, 3000GT's, 300ZX's and Supra's were keeping up with that old muscle no problem. The only new muscle that was respectably fast at the time was the Viper. Hell the fastest newer mustang at my track was a fox body with the turbo 4.
>>29147825wait till you hear what the fastest turbo car in the world was.
>>29147831And gale banks made diesel engines relevant. It doesnt really relate to this discussion at all because gm didnt build it
>>29147842>his entire post is talking about tuned shit at the drag strip>well, modifying cars actually doesn't count because it didn't come straight from the manufacturer that waylmao
>>29147426Completely different class of cars
>>29147845your average "fast corvette" had a built cammed 383, turbo callaways barely existed on the street and were literal one-offs irrelevant to the conversation>>29147825the fast mustangs were running 11s, usually a built or supercharged 5.0 running close to 4-500whp or carbed 351w/351c
>>29147850All it took to order a callaway corvette was ticking a single box at the GM dealership. callaways were rare because the average corvette guy thought 300 HP in the base model vette was plenty fast enough. it's also why the C4 ZR1 failed. but when you go by """averages""", the average "fast" american V8 vastly out numbered the "fast" japanese cars. Corvettes outnumbered twin turbo supras 10 to 1, V8 mustangs and Camaros also vastly outnumbered twin turbo manual Rx7s, 3000GTs, and 300ZXs. the average "fast" japanese car was more like a FWD civic, a naturally aspirated poopra, and a FWD 3000GT.the point being, if you wanted an american V8 to go fast, you had easy pickings from Callaway, Saleen, Roush, and more. if you were to sit by a random street light in the middle of the night, you'd be more likely to encounter a 300 HP C4 vette or Cobra mustang than a twin turbo supra.
>>29147862>All it took to order a callaway corvette was ticking a single box at the GM dealershipthey barely sold any, lol. just look up how many for sale are currently out there. unironically more likely to run into a corvette zr1 in the 1990s than any callaway. even the saleens/roushes were far more common but most of the saleen/roush mustangs were appearance pacakges with minor bolt ons (engine tune, exhaust/intake) the big boy supercharged ones like the s281 sc were porsche 911 money.
>>29147865>doesn't read the rest of post and misses the pointThey barely sold any "fast" Japanese cars, too compared to the average V8 stang, camaro, and vette. no matter how you look at this, the American V8s were faster. If you wanted the faster american options, it was there.
>>29147870>ignores the part where i mentioned a corvette zr1 was far more commonagain if they were as common as you made it out to be, there would be a ton of them for sale on facebook marketplace or bring a trailer
>>29147883>this retarded nigger still can't readMy post wasn't about how common callaway was. it was about the fact that you could buy them, and you could.
>>29147831>$400,000 in 1988 for the Corvette that was actually fast>GM interiorslollmao even
>>29147885>this retarded nigger implies callaway corvettes were on every corner in 1994you were never going to see one unless you were living in like south beach and you were far more likely to run into a 3000gt vr4 or a 300zx twin turbo back in the 1990s
>>29147888god damn you are fucking stupid. the average JDM spic IQ on display.
>>29147887meanwhile you couldn't get anything from Japan that was "actually fast".well, I guess there was the R390 (lol).
>>29147890ad homiem, again. you're just bad at making arguments. citing one-off tuners who built at best <200 cars a year is irrelevant. saleen built 1500 mustangs from 1990-1998 and most of those were appearance packages with exhaust/headers
>>29147895you're literally too retarded to even understand the argument I was making.
>>29147897yeah your argument is retarded and irrelevant to the average how would you feel if you didnt have breakfast this morning?
>>29147898>retarded nigger babel average american car was faster than the average japanese car, in every wayamericans could buy even faster american options than you could for anything japanesestay retarded and BTFO.
>>29147901again irrelevant to the average, are you indian the way you declared yourself the winner? you're mad because im saying those cars didn't exist outside of magazine articles lmoa
>>29147887The only thing remotely as fast (but still much slower lmao) at the time would have been a McLaren F1 which would have been close to a mill. You get British build quality for that million bucks.
>>29147911>the average american car being faster is irrelevant to the average
>>29147413I know its cliche but you really did have to be there. Glad I got to experience the car scene before social media and influencers created all this newfound hype for no reason other than cloutI still retain my Miata I bought in 2012 and man do I miss those times. Everything was so cheap and it all felt so much more wholesome than what we have now.
>>29147915>the average american car is a callaway twin turbo corvettethen the average japanese car is a 700whp 0-400mm skyline gtr built by nismo/hks and the average euro car is a ruf ctr2
>>29147924weird retarded reading comprehension considering I already spelled it out for you here>>29147870but even if we go with your example, those 700 HP GTRs and rufs were still slower.GG no RE.
Well then buy a Kia SUV if you think it's so much better.
>>29147492Both non issues made up for the sake of sour grapes
>>29147642>If your car breaks down suddenly, that's a good thing
>>29147426Those two seaters sure owned those cars that can fit a family of five.
>>29147978>1997 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Base >MSRP: $38,000>1997 BMW E36 M3 Coupe Base >MSRP: $40,000>1998 Dodge Viper GTS Base >MSRP: $67,200>2000 BMW E39 M5 Base >MSRP: $69,500If we compare the Viper to the more expensive 996 Carrera, the Viper still wins. Pic related.
>>29147426Skidpad is tire-dependent.
>>29147417?????
wasn't the callaway sledgehammer corvette just a single one-off prototype that only did one or two runs?
>>29147413Ok but have you considered that they are fun to drive and cooler than new cars irrespective of what is faster on paper. Not everybody wants to drive bloated eggshits.
>>29147413honestly a E46 is still a goated recommendation even in 2026>even though they start going up in value
>>29147825>WRX's, MR2's RX-7's, 3000GT's, 300ZX's and Supra's were keeping up with that old muscle no problem. The only new muscle that was respectably fast at the time was the Viper. Hell the fastest newer mustang at my track was a fox body with the turbo 4.
>>29147413The meta is vibes and comfort. Speed doesn't matter, you'll spend a trillion dollars only to get gapped by a used model s. True value is found in peace of mind and good styling, the two things which no new car offers.
>>29148288I don't think you realize how close in performance imports and domestic were back then. You can Google it if you dont believe me, but a 1995 Toyota MR2 GT has the same quarter mile time as a 1995 Mustang Cobra R. Both turned a 13.8 second quarter.Back then getting more power out of the mustang was only in the realm of specialty shops, or engine swaps, where as the MR2 could gain about 50-70HP through a boost controller and sending false boost pressure readings to the ECU. You could find directions online for boost defeaters and it was only about $10 in parts from your local napa. Tuning an ECU back then was black magic, very few shops were capable of it, so doing something like a cam swap in the mustang didnt do anything if you couldn't find one of those shops. We've got it pretty good these days for tuning, it just sucks that the cars got so damned expensive.
>>29149009
>>29149021that's a 93 fox, but still, nowhere close to the mustang.
>>29149021I've got no stake in this.He's right.The 15 sec image you posted was from the non-turbo model. The low trim V6 '95 Mustang does mid-17s, demolished by a 2.0L 4 cylinder.
>>29149030https://youtu.be/WeP_NF3srTY?t=106Nope, the 15 second time is from the Turbo. there's no video evidence of your AI generated time.
>>29149034
>>29149039>""" 1995 Toyota MR2 GT has the same quarter mile time as a 1995 Mustang Cobra R.""">proceeds to compare the GT instead>more AI slopyour low IQ is showing.
>>29149040I'm not the guy who said that but he's right.If I posted some Best Motoring vid. You'd say the test wasn't fair.Why are MR2s getting 13s in magazines around the world while Mustang GTs were posting 15s? Hmm?
>>29149041>he's right even though he's dead wrong>AI slop is a magazineYou are the same pea brained nigger from>>29147898 and are samefagging.
>>29149042I've never seen that post before.Turbo MR2s (specifically the GT model that that anon specifically mentioned which was not sold in the west) ran 13s at the time that V8 Mustangs ran 15s. The US models ran upper 14s, still faster than the GT Mustang with over twice the displacement.
>>29149044>he's samefagging and STILL making shit up
>>29149045Okay kid. Pretend that 15 seconds is faster than 14.
>>29149046there is no US model 14 second MR2.>>29149021
>>29149047Most American publications ran 14s with them, I guess your cherry pick is full of shit. You can easily drive a car slower.
>>29149048feel free to post a video of it doing 14 then.
>>29147413>The internet is just a cargocult, where people repeat the same exact sentences over and over not realizing the times have changedThen change the times.
>>29149049The trim that guy was talking about wasn't sold in the US.Lots of US publications posted them at high 14s, you may not know this but recording video was pretty difficult in the 90s.
>>29149052>it's true in my head
>>29147413what should i buy then that's dirt cheap with cheap parts nowadays? an 80's GM shitbox?
>>29147970Farm engines belong ploughing fields not racetracks
>>29149071mercedes should pack it in then
>>29147632How many cars have you owned that had 500k+ miles on them? I had a e39 530d with 800k+ km on it with even the original clutch. My ls400 also had 570k km on it. The interior on the e39 was good as new
>>29149034https://youtu.be/dYDwkIu2Eyk?is=NeV4EowmG3eBGv_ICope.
>>29149095wow, that Japan-only model is nearly a second slower than turd gens.
>>29149098Now put that turd gen on a circuit. European and japanese cars were fast everywhere, american slop was fast on a straightaway.https://youtu.be/dEF3DeaPcfA?is=saNQwRkQ63qtLV9B go look at the c5 get slapped around a track.
>>29149099>Now put that turd gen on a circuit.sure, as a bonus, the one shitting on the MR2 is a V6 with only 250 HP. unlike your staged event, this test uses the same driver for every car.
>>29149098Directly comparing these cars is pointless anyways, japanese cars were built for way smaller roads where peak power was secondary to handling and responsiveness, and american cars were built for acceleration and lazy cruising on the highway at 80mph/1500rpm
Also, remind me which cars were winning all the races in the 90s? it wasn't the 911 or anything Japanese.
>>29149101>top 5 slalom, 4 are japanese>road course, under a second faster than a car with 70% of the power.This is not the own you think it is. What tires were the cars on?
>>29149102Turd gens easily shat on the japs and europeans.
>>29149103All the races? Group A was dominated by the e30 and the r32 gtr. GT1 was dominated first by the mclaren f1 gtr, then the CLK GTR. C6R was also a powerhouse in the ALMS and did well at lemans, but by then the competition had already moved on to other series. Vipers only came onto the scene in 1999.Also, remind me who built the viper racing cars? Was it the americans or was it Zakspeed/Oreca from EUROPE? ;)
That's not what a cargo cult is you fucking retsrd
>just get a miata or a crown vic! they're everywhere!hah... yeah...
>>29149104look at him grasping for anything he can to cope with losing to a pushrod V6 lmao. nobody show him the slalom times of the C5 Corvette and Viper.>>29149110>Group APic related, effectively bans anything american. >remind me who built the viper racing cars? Chrysler. do you think a nigger from africa invented the toyota corolla because the japs sent tooling for it to be assembled over there?
>>29149117Chrysler basically built the shells of the VLN and ALMS cars, which were shipped to france (oreca) and germany (zakspeed). Chrysler had no racing division of their own. They did not develop the racing vipers. Same way that the ferrari 550's were turned to racing cars by prodrive in the UK.
>>29149117The regulations just specified a displacement maximum so manufacturers cant just stick 8L v10's that make 400hp more than the competition to cars and call it a day.
>>29149021I love how you completely ignore the part about how much easier it was to get more power out of turbo imports compared to NA domestic. No one was racing stock cars back then, everything was modified. Deleting cats and cold air intakes were just a baseline. The turbo guys always ran with more boost, some of the NA guys would use nitrous, and the guys who were really into it would dump thousands into a built engine. And at least at my track, the import guys and the domestic guys got along pretty good, we were just all hanging out and having a blast with our cars. Very few cars ever got faster than mid 11's. Street tires weren't nearly as good as they are now, and traction control didnt exist. Hell traction control is the only reason modern cars can even start pushing over 350hp with out the average driving wrapping the car around a telephone pole.
>>29149102The West Coast was the first region of the US to widely embrace imports as there are more narrow, twisty roads out there that an Audi handled better than a Buick.
>>29149132>They did not develop the racing vipers.you're utterly retarded and need to read a book. the first completely running GTS-R vipers were made in the US. they then shipped the tooling over to europe after doing all the R&D. again, is a corolla built in africa an african designed and engineered car?>>29149133No, it's a ballast for cars every increasing displacement increment. meaning American cars would be carrying up to 1000 lbs of ballast effectively banning them.
>>29149350>muh modified shitYou can void your warranty and blow your engine to still lose to those callaways, roush, and saleens if you want. there's a reason why old turbo Japanese sports cars are virtually non-existent in unmolested working condition and there are so many half working ones listed as "just needs this one fix but I can't bother my lost your gain". Modern Japanese sports cars like the GR86 and Yaris GR blow their engines at stock horsepower. the limiters and restrictions are there to preserve engine longevity. tuners charge lots of money for their work because they actually warranty them. if you crank up the boost on your poobaru and it explodes 10k miles later, well, that's your brand new car down the shitter.
>>29149021That's a non-turbo MR2 you fucking dipshit. Pic related from car and driverhttps://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a62897206/1991-toyota-mr2-turbo-archive-drive/
>>29149416No it's not, I only link the video you dumb nigger>>29149034 motorweek tested the turbo version.>(((manufacturer's))) performance ratinglmfao, they just posted the time toyota listed on the brochure. that is not an actual quarter mile time.
>>29149427while we're posting car and driver, a fucking Buick T type (not even a grand national) is faster than the MR2 Turbo running 13s while weighing 3500 lbs and only having a 235 HP V6.Pushrods fucking pushgods.
first gen MR2 with its 1.6L engine would have gotten clipped by a Dodge Daytona
>>29147413I've been saying get a GR86 or ND or a 2014 Evo or last gen STI for years now
>>29149116Get an S550 mustang
>>29149438>GN: 235 HP>MR2 (S/C, turbo wasn't until the SW20 in 1989): 145 HP
>>29147417this was only true for GM v8s really, and only for the new models during that time. everything else fucking sucked
>>29149528nah this would have still easily licked a Celica
>>29149533The contemporary Celica back then had a 2.4L four. While it would be a match for Lima four Mustangs it couldn't run with the V8 ones.
>>29149393No one was running new cars at my track, we all bought cheap used shit. I paid $4000 in 2001 for an ND RX-7 with 70,000 miles. 2 grand for a Mustang GT with 40,000. Warranties were long gone at that point. We were all broke as shit, but the hobby wasn't all that expensive.
>>29149487so then compare it to the one that released in 95 which it is still faster than? diptshit.
>>29149438>55.1% Front weight distribution>top speed of 124 MPH>197 feet to stop from 70 MPHlmao even
>>29149721>a luxury grocery getter for grandma is not a sports car, but still cucks the MR2you can always get cucked around the track by the pushrod V6 trans am, instead. which recorded a much better stopping distance than the MR2.
>>29148131A Rolls Royce would get raped around a track by a Lotus Elise with 20% of the power
>>29149729>197 feet to stop from 70 MPH is okay >AW11 : ~126 ft>SW20 turbo: ~112 ft>Turd gen: ~135 ft
