why does it seem like all you people want to go out and be “in le nature” but don’t give a single fuck about preserving ecosystems or native biodiversity? You feel entitled to go out and be in nature and treat it like your personal fucking playground, damaging the ecosystem and demanding roads and trails be paved through the wilderness so you can “heckin enjoy it”? And then go home and continue to fuel the 6th mass extinction with your destructive consumerist habits? Anyway, I planted some Texas native wildflowers today to help the declining pollinator population in my area. What did you do?
>>2837495You dont know what conservation is. You're thinking of preservationism.
>>2837497Sounds like he does know what it is and is mocking people that think actual conservation means putting an oil pipeline through a nature refuge.
To play the devil's advocate (and mix what I actually feel): Why would I have to care? Someone takes care of it anyway and it doesn't bother me.I wouldn't be as bad as your picture, but I do leave cigarette buds, stuff that doesn't burn in fires, and don't bury my poops.
>>2837596Thank god we're getting rid of cig butts. When I started fishing in the '80s every popular fishing spot used to be littered with 100s, sometimes 1000s of them. What on earth were we thinking.
>>2837601Granted I roll my own and use bamboo filters. They are supposed to decompose but have not tested that.
>>2837495>Someone takes care of it anyway>but they dontare all zoomers this fucking selfish?
>>2837593Clearly you also do not know what conservation is. I literally told both you and OP what the correct term is. Use it, moron.
>>2837611Look man, glad you found out about Muir and Pinchot, but have you considered that you are a raging faggot that needs to take your head out of your ass?
>>2837620And I'm glad you googled what I was talking about
>>2837606Meanwhile boomers are paving over the last remaining wetlands and panther habitat in Florida to build more condos.
>>2837495Leave no traceSimple as
>>2837495When you realize that 90% of the population is retarded, suddenly everything makes sense.
>>2837495this looks like portugal
>>2837495I pick up Mexicans’ trash on my way back to the car and fill up a trash bag with buzz balls and fast-food containers
>>2837495>What did you do?I littered.I do it every single time I go /out/, as is my natural right if not duty.Man inherited the Earth to make it in its image, as Earth is no divine Eden in the image of the Lord.To not dominate and impose your mark is to deny your own God-given humanity. To submit to (((those))) who want to convince you of your existence as lesser. In no circumstances should you allow yourself to let (((them))) convince you that there is anything but the Lord above you.To not leave marks of your own existance, to not impose your own spark of divine genius upon the world that was given to you, white man of the right, is to deny yourself and to deny Him.I certainly hope you do not do so.
>>2837944>Man inherited the Earth to make it in its imageSo you're trash, got it
I don't litter big things, only small packets and cans etc. Often I'll hide it under shrubs and trees. I see no issue in it personal because no one will see it. Not carrying around trash for 5 days on my outdoor trips.
>>2837601>>2837605Not a cigarette smoker, bur all cigarette butts decompose within a few years. Tobacco, paper, and the cellulose filter are all plant-based products that are rated to biodegrade in a few years.
>>2837934You've never been to Portugal.
>>2837673>>2837938>>2837956>>2837691Based
>>2837963>Not carrying around trash for 5 days on my outdoor tripsfuck you lazy piece of shit. if i ever catch you im going force feed your small packets and cans straight up your arse
>>2837983i have
>>2837660>someone else is doing bad things therefore I don’t need to do good things
>>2837495Wildflowers bloom all along the county highways here. It's sad seeing how many dead bees are laying in the road, killed by passing traffic. All these thousands of nature tourists traveling up a newly paved mountain-pass road, hauling ton after ton of pricey outdoor gear that promises to bring the comforts of civilization into a natural setting. It's all just another exercise in recreational consoomerism.
Humans will always have impact. They can outsource the impact to faraway shitholes, but it still exists nonetheless. Nature had to be destroyed to grow the food you eat. Pitching a tent degrades the land, and so does walking through a wild area. Cars crush vegetation along the roadsides near popular trailheads. Recently the public land managers around my town began cracking down on free dispersed camping, as the trash and other impacts were getting out of hand. Now you have to pay $20 for your designated patch of dirt, or risk getting a federal citation.
>>2837987You'll do nothing, I will continue to litter small items.
>>2838185what a selfish cunt.
>>2837944You’re a jeet, stay the fuck out of nature
>>2837495I live in Las Vegas, been hiking out here since I was a kid. The trash out here wasn't nearly this bad until they started importing browns in mass. Same all over the states and in Canada and Europe. I guess browns just can't conceptualize the future, and that's why they trash literally everything and can't maintain a society.I used to blame the CIA for why brown countries were so bad but now I see it's entirely because of their own choices. The only solution to clean environments is for white people to live in their own ethnically homogenizes countries.
>>2838269>white people never litteryou really gonna go with that champ?
>>2838270It's true, go /out/ in a White state and then go /out/ in a brown state and realize the difference.
>>2838270I never said white people never litter, hence>>The trash out here wasn't nearly this badBut on average, browns pollute more then whites, maybe something to do with the prefrontal cortex or something, I don't know.If you want a good example of this I just recommend you look at literally any 3rd world country in Africa or South America, or hell, maybe just open your eyes to the wonders of India, and then compare their literal mountains of trash to some white kids simply throwing their candy wrappers on the ground.At least with white kids they do it just to be rebellious, whereas I think browns literally don't understand the problem with modern waste disposal.>Reduce, Reuse, RecycleBrowns were not taught this growing up, though I do feel bad for the few that are cognitively sound enough to have to suffer because of their peers.
>>2838532this has more to do with economic development than the color of someone's skin.....you mouth breathing retard.
>>2838773You can be poor and not pollute, but it just so happens that dumb people pollute more and most poor people are dumb. There is also a cultural aspect, in india picking up trash is considered an "unclean" act only done by untouchables so they just throw garbage everywhere. Rich white people have the problem where they want to make everything "accessible" so they pave massive roads and sidewalks everywhere.
>>2838773>Socio Economic factors explains why despite all the time and energy invested into rebuilding these shithole countries they remain shitholes no matter what we doYou're right anon, it has nothing to do with the color of their skin, and everything to do with underdeveloped brains incapable of conceptualizing the consequences of the future.I'm waiting, begging, pleading with you to give me one single example of browns without "Socio-economic" factors that are actually succsesful, and no, wealth is not an indicator, hence>Wealthy blacks commit more crimes then poor whites.
>>2838773The Germans built Haiti from the ground up after 100 years of living in squalor. They built roads, bridges, hospitals, administrative buildings, and created an entire administrative system for them to use. The second the Germans handed it over to the locals they tore the freshly built country down for scrap and charcoal. But it gets better the Americans fifty years later built the country from the ground up all over again. This time installing even more modern equipment and infrastructure, and training local government officials in their use. The second the Americans overseeing the country left, they tore it all down again to sell for scrap metal and charcoal.
>>2838822>autistic ragelol.
>>2838776>>2838786>>2838822triggered lol
>>2838828>>2838829
>>2837495I have noticed a direct correlation with the number of browns on the trail and the increase in trash all over the fucking trail. I like to offroad and have started bringing a couple bins that I usually fill with trash I pick up along the trail. Problem is no matter how much I pick up, there is always more trash the next time I'm out on a trail.
Not my problem
>>2838835I want you to look at a picture of India, and just imagine some towel head 100 years ago seeing people throw trash on the ground and saying:>"Not my problem"
>>2838843Poo Land isn't my problem either
>>2838848Nigger
>>2838831just look at public parks in england on the net. the more poos live nearby, the more filled with trash it becomes. gypsies are same trash. I refused to call them human long time ago.
I live on the edge of a national park and near the road when you wander in there's a lovely creek and what used to be a beautiful spot to hang out and enjoy the trickle is now always trashed. people even leave their shitty plastic camping chairs and tarps and shit littered around, nevermind all the food wrappers and bottles and shit. fucking pigs. I should setup a trailcam.
>>2837606zoomers? this is peak boomer behavior i live in a fishing town on a river. maybe its because not as many zoomers fish but i see boomers leaving their garbage everywhere and not caring. i see Millennials do it to but theirs usually at least one person in their groups who cleans up after them or carries some type of garbage bag I've never seen a boomer do that.
>>2837495i liter food stuff like peels and bacon grease which I think is fine for people to do but i don't get how they justify non biodegradable or edible litter
>>2838270The stereotype that mexicans and browns including brown asians litter and over fish 10x more than white people is very accurate in most people's experience. I've had to clean up forest and creek trails after a pack mexcrements washed through. The only exception I've seen to the brown rule is some native Americans, a very thin few trying to make up for the other 90% that trash the land. The vast majority of people you see taking care of their local outdoors and scientists captive breeding nearly extinct species are white European descent people, even trailer trash in Kentucky take better care of their rivers than mexcrements. Industrialists of any race are absolute destroyers rather than caretakers however.
>>2838773nigger is a state of mind
>>2838933Biodegradable stuff is a literal non issue. So is cutting a trail through overgrown woodland. Half that shit is invasive and it's only overgrown because we're too lazy/pussy to do prescribed burns.People like OP are admirable and right in spirit but they're also too autistic about "LEAVE NO HECKING TRACE!"I personally believe that humans are both above and part of nature. It's our right to change it as we see fit to benefit us. No I'm not talking about paving it over to make another amazon warehouse, but more so damming a small stream to create a lake.
I live on a tropical island and I’ve noticed the people who are the most rabid about island pride and make the culture their entire personality are also the ones who do things like dump their trash in the rivers, don’t pick up after themselves at the beach, don’t get their dogs and cats spade and will just abandon them outside contributing to our feral pet problem, dump their shit cars in the jungle, start wildfires to hunt deer, etc. It’s wild.
>>2839554>damming a small stream to create a lakeSo destroy an entire ecosystem so boomers have somewhere to drive their yachts?
>>2839582That is the only reason lakes exist after all
>>2839582based take
>>2839600There were plenty of natural lakes, ponds, sloughs, backwaters, and wetlands before boomers drained them all (60%+) and put neighborhoods and farms over them. And now all those neighborhoods and farms don't matter either since they've inflated 500% in price and will collapse when boomers die off and can't pay their mortgages.
>>2838933>>2839554Just because it biodegrades doesnt mean its not an issue. It might be humid enough for a banana peel to degrade, but in the meantime its still an eyesore and it hurts wilderness character to see someone elses trash
>>2839582No, turn a tiny rocky stream that dries up in the summer and barely even supports minnows into an actual warm water fishery that holds water during drought and supports wetland plants and waterfowl and other things.Stop thinking that everything humans do is bad.>>2839602Maybe if you're somewhere up north where glaciers created tons of lakes but here in the mid atlantic we barely have natural lakes or ponds. Hell my state only has two natural lakes and even one of those is theorized to be caused by injuns setting a peat swamp on fire.
>>2839495
>>2839554Right, because what is ultimately good for nature as a whole is good for us.When we curb stomped the Wolf population in North America, we almost severely fucked up the whole ecosystem, which thankfully the Coyoted stepped up to the plate to help keep some animal populations at bay.Problem is modern methods of "Preservation" are just retard college yuppies making problems worse, such as the numerous crimes of the EPA and other environmental/governmental groups. These fucking retards will poison an entire water supply to remove an invasive species, fill rivers and lakes with shitty plastic and industrial separators, you name it, they are assholes.We have to live closer to nature, closer to how our ancient ancestors lived. But ultimately the occult bastards who run this country hate life and want to destroy everything, so if we want change they eventually have to be sentenced to death, preferably by public execution to set an example to all the other secret societies who hate truth.>>2839582>>2839602This is true, the previous generation and their short sided pursuits of simple pleasures made them easy tools to be controlled by masonic propaganda. Most of them don't even realize how much damage their actions have caused because they live without principle, and then even when they do see it they just say >Welp, Jesus is coming anyway, so it's okay if we just trash this planet and indent our children to jews and masons to be raped. God will take away our sins.It's a doomsday cult, one in which accountability and objective morality are tossed aside for the sake of self worship, and the pursuit of whatever individual hedonistic pleasure you happen to imbibe.
>>2840167Nobody really wants to live close to nature. They want to ride a fancy car to a parking lot and hike a groomed trail while wearing fancy gear to avoid feeling any discomfort from the weather or terrain. It's all artificial.
>>2840167>These fucking retards will poison an entire water supply to remove an invasive speciesDon't even get me started, this is my specific autism trigger. These species go through a boom bust cycle because they're a new factor to the ecosystem. You saw how lanternflies exploded and now you barely even see them anymore. They overpopulated, exhausted their food source (another invasive plant), and then got integrated into the greater ecosystem. When these fuckers poison creeks to kill something like lampreys they're keeping them in the boom part of the cycle perpetually. You don't think big bass and walleye and salmon will really pass up the opportunity to eat a long skinny boneless eel? And there's also how they stock invasive shit like rainbow trout into brook trout waters while complaining about other invasive species. Or purposely stocking bass into low oxygen ponds that have fish kills every summer, they obviously end up dying, but its actually the fault of the carp and snakehead that are specifically adapted to that environment.
>>2837495I can't do anything about it. The only ones who have a stake in the environment are the grifters selling the land and developing it.It doesn't matter how much trash you sort and hoard, that's meaningless if some fat fuck will fell a forest to build a datacenter/farm/wind farm/housing shit.
>>2840235I could accept that if it was sincere, not everyone can afford to live in nature, or knows how to get involved in it. It's the ignorance of their position that bothers me, and the fact that they make no attempt to think critically in any way.>>2840257The bass fishing pisses me off, I travelled all over the country and everywhere you go the locals will always tell you how they "Stock" the local bodies of water with fish. I understand the sport, and that a lot of people want to fish, but clearly we are overpopulated if we have to fill up every fucking where with fish.It was never about nature, it is about control. Look into who owns and funds these "Environmental" organizations, you'll see yourself what their agenda is and how it is aligned with the global agenda.
>>2837495>all you people want to go out and be “in le nature” but don’t give a single fuck about preserving ecosystems or native biodiversity?Education or lack there of.
>>2840135This is a terrible sundial.
>>2840359It's funny because largemouth bass are actually one of the worst invasive species themselves. The advantage they (and other sunfish) have is that they take care of their young and they have spiny fins, meaning that their fry are larger and harder to eat than other fish fry. They have a direct advantage as soon as they're born.What pissed me off is that recently New York state found a pond "infested" with goldfish so they released bass into it, but before they did they made a report saying that introducing bass causes no harm to ecosystems. No shit because the ecosystem was ruined when they were first introduced 200 years ago. There's no baseline to compare it to anymore. And how the fuck are goldfish so invasive if all it takes is some predator fish to destroy their population. People on forums like pondboss say they suck as forage fish because they cant reproduce fast enough to keep up with bass predation. Goldfish were the first foreign fish introduced to America by settlers and they still can't establish a large population anywhere. Neither did rudd and tench. Common carp are only still around because they get three feet long but their babies get absolutely decimated. I never caught a baby carp in America and then when I went to Europe they're literally everywhere. And then fucking Princton university made an article how goldfish might be "sleeper agents" waiting to destroy the environment. Nigger it's been 300 years if anything was going to happen it would have already happened. Shit pisses me off because it's like they're being fucking retarded on purpose
>>2840399Of course it's intentional, we've watched these fuckers decimate the environment for over a hundred years now.Just take a look at what the Department of Agriculture gets upto, those fuckers murder 50 million animals a year, ranging from: Coyotes, bears, foxes, birds, insects, rodent, you name it. They don't even care, because the money in big AG sprayed with glyphosate is more profitable, and it gives them control over the earth and its people. They want us all terrified of nature while they trample over it, and trap us all in cities.Hence why they are starting all these fucking forest fires to make people afraid of going outside or starting camp fires.They will lock us all inside and destroy every reason for us to go outside, that's the world the Freemasons want.
>>2840408I believe it's all corrupt in the higher ups and all their employees are dumb goons thinking they're doing the right thingI mean how long do we have to test the knotweed psyllid to make sure it doesn't hurt some "omg le rare federally endangered plant!" just fucking release the thing already. But oh wait it's because that would immediately solve the problem. Instead we have to cut down japanese knotweed, let it grow back, and then cut it down again a month later. Just stupid endless bullshit to justify their own existence.Or the asian carp thing. Instead of investing in alligator gar aquaculture and reintroducing them to their former habitat they rather build some gigantic bubble barrier retardation that cost millions to operate that the carp will still probably find a way to get past I also believe shit like the lanternflies is social conditioning to make normies more violent
>>2837495Everytime i go out i pick up at least 3 pieces of trash. If every white person did this then america might be able to balance out all of the littering and dumping that browns do.
>>2840412I don't know what it takes for some people to break their conditioning. You're absolutely right that most of the people operating under this way of thinking are misguided, still culpable, but ignorant. I don't know what it would take for these people to understand how retard what they're doing is.For a lot of people, it's circumstance, the truth is forced upon them and they are made to confront it. But normies remain norms because they are never put into exceptional circumstances, they stay in their social/college educated bubbles and never confront the consequences.People don't want to see how bad globalization is, they don't see the correlation between invasive species and globalization, because they enjoy their comforts and pleasantries.Hell of a reckoning coming, one way or the other.
>>2840425I think this way because I go fishing a lot in all sorts of different places and I like to pay attention to fish compositions depending on their environment. I think the narrative we're being fed about certain species is bullshit. Tell me why bass, bluegill, and green sunfish are all from the Mississippi watershed and introduced to other states, but only the green sunfish is considered invasive?There was a girl on facebook crying about how drumpf budget cuts caused her to lose her job at the USFWS after years of college and internships. Bitch all you were fucking doing was putting carp into a wooden jig and sawing their heads off. First, you're not special you don't need a fucking degree to do that, and second that's fucking psychopathic. Or another woman who was studying invasive lizards and crying how because of anti cruelty laws she had to release them instead of killing them. I think people want the excuse to kill and be cruel under a blanket of being morally just and doing the right thing. It's the greatest drug in the world.
Saar, you ask that I poo in loo, but if no loo to poo in how can I do the needful when outside?
>>2837495>go home and continue to fuel the 6th mass extinctionWhy waste energy worrying about something that cannot be stopped? Somebody royally fucked up and allowed us to breed 9bn of ourselves on this rock. It doesn't matter who you vote for or how many times you reuse underwear before washing or if you recycle. 9bn humans = eco-fucked.I'll continue to enjoy 1st world nature preserves and public protected wilderness for as long as 1st world exists - hopefully through the duration of my life. If they all disappear and become crowded suburban human colony hives, I'll simply adapt and exist in a different flavor of dystopia.
>>2840456Well just to play devils advocate here, I worked with some farmers who couldn't put their horses down because of animal cruelty laws. Horses were once melted down to glue and put out of they misery once they lost their strength, but now the farmers are forced to take care of them, and the animals suffer more and their bodies don't go to any sustainable purpose after they die, and instead we rely on more industrial plastic products to replace the glue that we could get form more natural sources.While generally I agree with you, I think the issue can become so absurd that we stop doing what humans have done for generations in favor of an even worse modern industrial option.Some degree of suffering and pain is necessary to achieve a healthy balance, but we have to be mindful of what exactly we are doing, and try to do it ethically, even if it causes pain.
>>2837938I saw a woman with a blue lives matter sticker litter out her car window the other day. Guess all litterers are chuds
>>2838389be specific, racist fuck. Touch grass, make an experiment. What state that has a higher population of European ancestry are you comparing to another, do your own surveying (and clean up afterwards as well), take photos comparing areas of similar statistical density. Stop generalizing and enabling fascists that will come for you one day.
>>2840719>i make assumptions, generalize and stereotype
>>2837495Newfags, mostly. But also>trails badTrails good, actually. Keeps gormless normalfags from stomping around everywhere with reckless abandon. The same people that leave all that trash.
Did you know that in Europe, the municipal councils give logging and construction companies free reign to completely destroy natural areas? Even areas that have been specifically designated by biologists as incredibly vulnerable and important to preserve at all costs gets completely annihilated on a daily basis. And representatives from the companies always act like smug cunts who pretend like they do everything correctly and that they love muh nature (so much so that they replace an entire broadleaf forest with a burger king). I think these ""people"" are demonic and need to be violently massacred, but that's just me.
>>2840721>Fascists>RacistsNice bait, but unfortunately, you didn't put much thought into it.>>2840770It's to destroy European spirituality, and nature. The forests were once wild and overgrown, and contained all kinds of mysteries. Without them, we lose our ties to the earth.Blame genocidal Jews and the batshit crazy Freemasons, they are always behind destruction without exception. They hate nature and reality.
>>2837495Dumbshit weekenders come out from the big city and can't comprehend there arent street sweepers/trash cleanup on nature trails in the middle of nowhere. In Wisconsin we call these people FIBs Bonus points for the idiots who bag up their dog's poop then kindly throw the plastic poop baggie into the woods a quarter mile down the trail.
>>2838773but they're not economically developed because they're subhuman browns you dumb cunt retard
>>2840833>for the idiots who bag up their dog's poop then kindly throw the plastic poop baggie into the woods a quarter mile down the trailthese people are the worst
>>2837982pretty sure most regular filters are made out of some kind of plastic
