The snowy world you grew up in no longer exists. There are those out there who made billions depriving you of snowy winters.
>>2857989Tell me, what was the weather like in the Midwest in 1776? How about in Mexico in 1452? What was the high in Columbus, OH on June 8 1870? How about the low for the same place and day in 75 BC?You have no clue. Without this data, you and other people claim that the globe is warming, and then, because of the difficulty in defending that position, that the climate is changing. It's all a hoax.
in the room the ice ages come and gotalking of michelangelo
>>2857989I miss the snow so much.
>>2857991We are accelerating considerably. Ice ages take 10,000 years.1.5°C hotter in 150 years is 10-20x faster than any natural cycle. Your house being hit by lightning is a natural cycle too, but if you kept gasoline on the roof hoping to never get struck, you'd be a retard.
>>2857989The coldest winter of our lives is behind us, and the coolest summer too.
There used to be a ski resort two hours drive from my house with awesome upper runs. Nothing beyond the bunny hill and tubing slide has been consistently open for the past decade.
>>2857993OK retard. What's your plan to stop the solar and geological processes?
>>2857993>150 yearsInsignificant in terms of climate.
>>2857989>The snowy world you grew up in no longer exists.Last I checked it still snows here, every year. Must suck being some southern cunt with no mountains.
>>2857989if the oceans are rising, why are billionaires who pay to have this constantly shouted in every venue, buying more and more ocean front property?
>>2858039Because they're billionaires retard. They're buying beach houses they'll own for 10-20 years tops. That doesn't disprove sea level rise any more than a CEO buying cigarettes disproves lung cancer. The ocean's risen 9 inches since 1880, we measure it with tide gauges. Meanwhile, insurance companies who actually price risk are fleeing coastal Florida. Try insuring a house there. Billionaires don't even need insurance.
>>2857989Global warming is real but not anthropogenic. Billions must suffer.
>>2857990Its like when Europe had "the worst drought on record!!" and the shoreline along the river bank receded to show carvings in the bedrock that dated back to the 1400s.
>>2857989>depriving you of snowy wintersDepriving me of the snow that I just went snowshoeing in yesterday? 20 more inches are expected to fall without melting so it looks like I'll be doing the same next weekend. But thanks for your concern ig.
>>2857989It hurts.We good 3 days of good snow this year, and I was fucking ill during them.>>2858054Yeah, they didn't record exact precipitation or river levels in the 1400s so those droughts are not on a real record. We can infer from the descriptions that they were pretty damn bad though, some worse than anything we had this century.>If you see me, then weep
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>>2857990What a pseudoscientific misdirection. The point isn't to recall micro-weather patterns on specific dates, it's to use the evidence of a trend that's recorded in the earth itself and compare it against modern averages.The evidence shows that the current trend of average temperature increase is unprecedented in the history of the planet. The only thing that comes close is an extinction event millions of years ago (forget which one), and even that experienced warming over a period of thousands of years, not a few decades.This only looks at temperature by the way. The research tracks many different environmental factors that are also changing in worrying ways.>>2857996Simple really- stop releasing emissions that trap heat in the atmosphere, and dedicate a large part of available human labor to environmental reclamation efforts.Well the idea is simple anyway. The act of emissions degrowth will be (and have been) fought tooth and nail by powerful moneyed interests, and there is no way to direct the necessary funds toward environmental reclamation away from more profitable endeavors.>>2858039This argument is why we shouldn't trivialize the impact of billionaires to what they consume. They primarily direct human labor based on how they divine meaning from the trends of an anarchistic and wild "free" market. The net effect of this is far worse than whatever yachts they choose to buy and not use.
>>2857990tree rings tell the relative temps and level of precipIce cores are even more precise and go back 100,000s of yrsis it wilful ignorance or cognitive dissonance?
>>2858065If I can't understand how it worksAnd I don't like the resultsIt's clearly politically motivated fake science
>>2857989Whether it's a natural process being fear mongered or actually "our" fault, there is nothing you as an individual can do to stop it. Personally I'm going to enjoy growing oranges in alaska.
>>2858069I can vote for politicians that enact legislation to lower carbon dioxide emissions.
>>2858070>lower carbon dioxide emissionsooOOOYA!,,,like, HOWLOW?,,,any lower and the plants DIE!,,so? HOW LOW YOU FAGGGGGOT?!,,,,,,,theres no real reduction in heating untill 0.01 PPM you DUMBY!,,,,justso youknow, im stupid,,,but notan IDIOT!,,,,,STOP SPRAYING TO SAVE ME!,,and,,,stop touching kids you whore.
>>2858072What is this I don't even
>>2858067No, no. The climate change/global warming farce has been shown to be based on manipulated data, for political and financial purposes.
>>2858075Is that what Fox News tells you?
>>2858070Why don't you stop using computers, taxing the grid, and producing tons of electronic waste?
>>2858075>manipulated dataThey also manipulated my memory and made me believe we had more snow ten years ago. Insidious, truly.
>>2858077Prisoner's dilemma anon.If I or a few people consoom less, the rest of the world will consoom more because it has become cheaper. Very little effect. What is necessary is for everyone to consoom less, enforced by law (as in, carbon dioxide taxes and such). Then I will automatically consoom less because I cannot afford it.(Also I drive a small car, don't travel much and don't eat meat every day. Think that puts me ahead of most people in the first world.)
>>2858079I think you've merely given yourself an intellectual get-out-of-jail-free card, instead of taking real and practical action towards your purported goal. Blue bin/black bin thinking. Outsource the problem to someone else.
>>2858080Yeah, I'm lazy and can't be bothered to do more. Sue me. Also I'm not living like a treehugger when you anons out there drive pickups and eat beef every day.
>>2858075>based on manipulated dataso....cognitive dissonance. got it. thanks
>>2858063Emissions have nothing to do with volcanic eruptions or solar output fluctuations, both of which have magnitudes more impact on global temperatures.>>2858079>>2858082The environmental movement is a social engineering program, one of the goals of which is to attempt to preserve the status quo of Western hegemony. Any restrictions you might imagine in your global authoritarian government scenario would have the effect of freezing the economies of the 2nd and 3rd Worlds.
>>2858083Correct. Zoom out.
>>2858084>global authoritarian government scenarioImplying implications I never impliedWhat would happen is that the reasonable governments of the world come together to set emission targets and keep by them. Any government that would not follow would be punished, for example in the form of tariffs and embargoes. No authoritarian world government needed.>freezing the economies of the 2nd and 3rd WorldsI'm already in favour, you don't need to sell it to me.
>>2858084>one of the goals of which is to attempt to preserve the status quo of Western hegemonyis that why they destroy western economies and redistribute wealth to the third world ad infinitum?
>>2858070That's won't do anything but hurt people.
>>2858141This is a lie.
>>2858105>redistribute wealth to the third world ad infinitum?>thinks global wealth is going to Africa
>>2858154Power plants, natural gas utilities, and other large industrial facilities must pay when they put greenhouse gas emissions into the air. Some of that money is used by California to fight climate change,,,,,,,N.
>>2857989Oh trust me I know. We've been getting less and less snow here for years.
>>2858141It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his recklessly consoomerist lifestyle depends on his not understanding it.
>>2858069You won't be around to see that though. >>2858073Incoherent nigbabble. Just ignore it.
>>2857990There's plenty of data available in ice cores, tree rings, oxygen isotope ratios in sedimentary plankton and corals, radiocarbon dating, direct human measurements in the historic record, and the geologic features of the landscape itself.Just because you're too stupid to understand the evidence doesn't mean it can be wholly dismissed.
>>2858025Bro i live at 9.8k feet in Colorado and I'm looking at a grassy lawn rn
>>2858280They won't respond to this.
>da trees can tell me the temperature from centuries agolefties really are a retarded bunch lmfao
>>2858339>wilful ignorance is a religionrightoids make being retarded a way of life.
>>2857990fpbp
>>2858176>Just because you're too stupid to understand the evidence doesn't mean it can be wholly dismissed.This, it's honestly almost impressive how some people can have the confidence to just assume that they've figured it all out and all people researching this shit full time are just too dumb to get it
>>2857989We are on the way out of an ice-age currently. This makes sense
>>2857989fuck just snow, everyone's been noticing the massive drop off in bug populations right? I can drive for hours at night down the interstate and hardly get anything but rocks on my windshield.
>>2858405That’s fucking bad retard bugs are a necessary part of the ecosystem but muh shitty Honda’s windshield doesn’t get dirty
>>2857989This actually makes me really sad. I remember how snowy it used to be when I was growing up.I have two hopes. One is that ice melt knocks out the gulf stream and causes western Europe to get colder.The other is that the next period of glaciation that we're due according to Milankovitch cycles will come to pass, regardless of slightly increased levels of carbon dioxide.It's been both a lot colder (little ice age) and warmer (Medieval warm period) than it is right now, and that's in the last 1000 years, and all of that is fully within the current warming period of the current ice age, which we're at the peak of right now. Based on previous cycles, we're due a period of cooling.Without global warming, we could be facing glaciation over all of northern Europe and America and the kind of extreme cold weather that makes crops fail and anything north of Spain inhospitable, but that's going to happen gradually over 50k years.
>>2858403Wrong. We are in an ice age currently. We are approaching the peak of a warm period when glaciers retreat, and expected to get colder again if the cycle repeats. See my post above.
>>2858415yeah that's what my point was, why would you interpret it as me thinking this is a good thing?
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>>2858078>They also manipulated my memory and made me believe we had more snow ten years ago. Insidious, truly.There actually is a false social consensus and I live in it. I'm from Madison, WI and pretty much everybody agrees that it used to be way snowier. So I checked into that and made this chart. It shows the mean snow depth in each year. Blue highlights the years with more than the 1.0 mean, and red highlights the years with less.We see a recent trend with 76% of the mean since 2015, but we see MORE snow than normal since 2008. I've passed this around and nobody replies. They legitimately don't care that we've had more snow on the ground than usual over the last 20 years. They only care about what they perceive is the common social consensus.I have videos from November with my nephew standing on a snow bank that is almost 2x taller than him, during a winter that has been snowier than usual, and my sister in law spoke at Christmas about how there is less snow than there used to be.
