I want to live like this.
>>2864587You sit on your ass browsing 4chan all day, you're too lazy to run a hobby farm.
>>2864587Youd still need a small barn for diy stuff and animals to winter in
>>2864587Only city boys dream about this life, us pigriders dream about killing ourselves
>>2864587you can do that in the ozarks for less than $100k.
>food forestwhere's the timber forest and guardian full of death traps forest?
>>2864589fpbp
>>2864587you can't afford the lifestyle.
>>2864587I want to live like (this).I just have to amend the soil first.
>>2864587Passively fantasizing isn't going to fix the actual source of your suffering, Yourself.Start making small, real changes in the life you are actually living.
>>2864606Those are on the other side of the surrounding thousand yard wide cleared kill zone that isn't shown due to the scale of the diagram.
>>2864622here is a great deal. $40k for a little house on acres. it has a well and electric. seems like a great deal
>>2864649>Mammoth SpringDidn’t some locals burn down out of staters cabins down there? That’s probably why.
>>2864606>timber forestthe knowers grow grapes both for the fruit and the kindling after the harvest
>>2864587>food forestorchard
I have a large property but I the effort and money I have to put into turning it into some kind of homestead is probably not worth the pay off. Frankly, I don't see myself as having the motivation or interest to do any kind of homesteading. Only thing I've done is plant a bunch of fruits trees here and there and built a chicken house but I got no chickens yet.I have a field but I rent out to my neighbor who uses it to make hay for his cattle
>>2864589OP won't respond to this.
>>2864649Internet is shit.
>>2864709>copearkansas has fiber optic on every power pole, next excuse?
>>2864711Fiber optic cables used for high-speed internet requires running cables underground, and that's extremely expensive to do in rural areas.
>>2864716it is nice to have though>t. live on 7 acres of forest in the woods with gigabit fiber.The 450' or so up our driveway was only $500 to trench.But barring that, Saaaaaarlink is actually pretty serviceable, we were getting 20ms ping times and decent throughput -- but that was a couple years ago, not sure if it's become more saturated and slower in the intervening period.
>>2864587sorry, but you're going to be crammed into a dirty smelly city and have your soul extracted.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYsQE4Pxb4
>>2864716they are hung fiber optic on the powerlines, the power company now also offer internet, it was part of the covid stimulus bill. plus there is always starlink. next excuse? at least find a new one, you wont have time for the internet when you are living off the land.
>>2864716Cost was zero dollars when my "neighbor" got internet hooked up.They literally trenched my dirt road and threw the cable in the ground. They even bored under the pipe that drains the beaver pond. They ran about 2 miles of new line for him.
>>2864587I was once travelling in oregon and entered into a freeway entrance that led me to this street with nothing but huge gates for what id assume were ranches. I didnt get to see them properly, since the driveway went uphill, but i could only imagine how nice the houses were. This looks like a very cozy set up.
>>2864587I live this way. I love it. it feeds my body, mind and sovl. it is also grueling, stressful and it prevents us (married) from making full retirement contributions. we owe $74,500 on our mortgage and $75k on our land. total homestead is worth $350k. its a good investment; gotta have somewhere to live and it does feed us... but the market returns 12%-20% recently (pre-iraq). our mortgage is 5.12% 27yrs left and our land is at 1.5% 12yrs left. so you can see we chose the lower return by the numbers.our electricity is $30-$50/mo because we have a DIY solar system with battery storage. no water hill, no sewage, no trash, and we only pay ~$225/yr in propane. its not for everyone, but it works for us. there are better investments, but its about lifestyle and self-reliance for us.
>>2864587>No winter-proof housing for lifestockHomesteading in tropical climates if for brownoids and LARPers.
>>2864717But you're not in Arkansas.
>>2864719>they are hung fiber optic on the powerlines, the power company now also offer internet, it was part of the covid stimulus bill. Internet from a power company will always be shit.>plus there is always starlink. Extremely expensive for subpar service. Live in a cloudy or rainy area? Good luck staying connected.> you wont have time for the internet when you are living off the land.I agree. Many people "wishing" to live off the land are internet addicts who'll fold the moment they can't use their phone.>>2864728>Cost was zero dollars when my "neighbor" got internet hooked up.>They literally trenched my dirt road and threw the cable in the ground. They even bored under the pipe that drains the beaver pond. They ran about 2 miles of new line for him.Where are you located? The conversation has been about Arkansas specifically.
>>2864587Its called a servants quarters, you can't call them livestock areas anymore
>>2864746it'll work out regardless when you are old, then you'll be set with a place, roof over your head, a hobby that isn't work and lotsa greens. what's not to love?
>>2864789
>>2864624this is bait right.
>>2864587i dont. different climate than you probably but thats barely the land needed for parking your snow plowing equipment, farming and logging tractor, cars, boats and snowmobiles.
>>2865438OP pic is typical LARP bullshit.>no place to park a car.>goats and chickens in a 50x50 pen.>orchard is a bunch of shrubs.>everything crammed together to min/max the empty 1/2 acre lot they paid Schlomo Goldsteinberg $180k for.That house smells like a combination of chicken and goat shit and theres 5,000 flies in the kitchen during the summer.The crops will rot on the vines because after their 8 hour shift and 2 hour commute they pick a few things by flashlight and then go play Xbox because farming is too grueling.
>>2864719>you wont have time for the internet when you are living off the land.Stop being ridiculous.>Y-YOU WILL BE WORKING 18 HOURS A DAY IF YOU WANT TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT!Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>2865562>[autisic lifefail screeching]sorry son, yeah, your sandbox survival game lied to you, subsistence farm life is very labor intensive
>>2864746You don't own anything. You are LARPING as a land owner while being a slave to a jew. I'm gonna be laughing my ass off when the bank takes it all back from your whiny faggot ass.
>>2865628describe your /out/ life. describe your property. describe the single family house that you live in. describe the land that you cultivate, raise livestock and build infrastructure on.oh, and do it without bullshitting... because I do. see... i'm not and never have been an impulsive, financial retard. when my shit is paid off in a few years, my cost of existence, while not free due to government theft, will be infinitesimally small compared to your ever increasing rent on your 550sqft apartment. don't get robbed while you shuffle to the subway.
I'm saving all my money to buy land for a turtle and tortoise farm. I'll practice syntropic agriculture to improve the land and keep food costs down.
>>2865628These long nose goblins of yours that cause all your problems, are they in your parent's basement with you right now?
Built a mobile duck coop.we keep 3 varieties: Muscovy, Harlequin & Silver Appleyards. we have 2 stationary/permanent duck coops. we built this one for the muscovys since they will wander off if allowed too much freedom & time. let's them forage and touch grass without destroying the ground. we just move it every other day. the Apples & Harleys just get let out to free range, they stay reliably close to home roost.
>>2864587Sure, that'll be $2 Million + tip!
>>2864602Piggers
>>2864746>>2865638(i'm not the autistic screecher you replied to)seems legit, anon. i'm in an interesting spot where my permaculture zone 5 is a suburban intersection so i must get creative. i'm trying to turn that corner into one huge garden bed with 5' paths that could fit an avant if needed, and the border with the public is highbush blueberries and thornless raspberries (previously it was all privets and burning bush)there's also a few natural "zones" in the interior that i'm developing in place, namely an oak grove next to my garage (as far as possible from the house, not attached), and a black walnut grove in the single largest dedicated garden space. the oak grove borders society but is screened by mulberry and other trees, with no houses immediately in the area, so i can prolly fit a couple beehivesthere's an organized brush pile in one corner strategically hidden from the sidewalk away from all houses cuz bunnies fucking suck, and a compost area to contain any smell radius. the existing beds, i'm just doubling down on them by "anchoring" them with native cranberry virbirnum, hazelnut, elder, lining them with hardneck garlic, etc.my main entrance is to the side so i have native sunflowers right there. strawberries throughout, utility area in back with poly dump cart, buckets, stakes, etc. (i also piss there) there's also a small garden shed to store tools, and a secret mini area off the kitchen for grilling, that gets decent sun despite its poor aspect.i'm basically just working with what i have, planting native and ideally edible plants, and trying to develop 3-4 main "zones" of a 1/3 acre property (this is almost 2.5 suburb lots). i can also bike 5-10 minutes to a city center. i work remote so all spring and summer, i work outside with a portable power station and get to watch plants grow and the ambient noise is 95% birds and 5% cars. it's comfy and i want a wife to share it with
>>2864587me too
No place to park.
>>2868414>oak "grove">walnut "grove">other trees>....>1/3 acreDude.A 1/3 acre square is about 120 feet by 120 feet.The canopy from a single burr oak can reach 80 feet wide.There are live oaks in the mall parking lot down in Savannah with 120 feet of canopy from a single tree.Granted those trees are a couple hundred years old.But trying to plant large trees like that together will just choke eachother out- no single plant will grow to its potential.Also-Walnuts secrete an enzyme that inhibit the growth of other trees near it.A plot that small is better used for things like cherry, plum, apple....I planted about 30 trees on my property this year.PecanChestnutHickoryBlack walnutBurr oakLive oakSaw tooth oakMapleCedarBradford pearI plant about 2 dozen from that list every year (more than that and I dont have time to ensure theyre cared for as they acclimate to the property).My first year I planted about 500 loblolly pine (they grow 3-4 feet a year)I have dense areas where naturally seeded trees are competing and their quality is crap because they're all struggling for sunlight. I spend more time thinning undesirables from my forest than planting new trees.1/3rd acre is about 14,700 square feet.My place is about 1,500,000 square feet.Ive seen what works and what you can squeeze into an area.You need to dial it back a little if you want anything to thrive.
>>2864587And I want my asshole gaped by a strong white man. But you need to go outside and stop fantasizing. Just go for a hike. Touch grass.
>>2869056to be clear, i didn't actually plant these trees, and they're all adolescent (about 15-20' tall). they came with the property, and i'm only in my second season of ownership. last season, i destroyed a fuckton of invasives and planted an american linden, sugar maple, and mountain ash to help define the space's basic structure. the point of my post was to put the OP's idealized image into realistic context.i'll certainly need to thin out the trees, and have 2 "keeper" candidates of each species. i'm keeping my options open right now. i do have an area reserved for a fruit tree forest that i'm going to prepare this season. waiting was prudent because i avoided having to deal with hundreds of dollars of bare-root trees during the worst blizzard in 50 years.at this point, i'm still observing the property's current state and how i live on it. a good example would be the placement of garden beds. i wanted them in the back yard, downstream of the food forest's southern aspect, but that area will be too shady (there's already a massive norway maple across the property line). so i should locate them in the side yard, closer to the main entrance and with more sunlight.
>>2864587In Europe the land + house will be anywhere from 500k to 1 million euros. Depending on the location the price can rise exponentially
>>2869139It's easy to start off and want to fill in gaps when trees are small.I have a 20 yearold walnut thats just started to take off in the last 5 years and has gone from a 15 foot canopy to a 30.Someday it will look like this.
>>2869139>>2869162based. i think we're solving different problems. i'm essentially capturing a vignette of a hike in the woods, and making sure every plant has some purpose. there will only be one mature oak next to the garage, but having a large stump or two increases the area's value as a cultivated forest nook. it's such a beautiful area, after i removed the multiflora rose and privet, that i dunno whether to put a 3rd picnic table or 2 beehives there. it also depends somewhat on the neighbors, so i'm kind of socially coerced to structure it so the most visible part is mowed, it doesn't spill over too much, the utilities don't create a nuisance, etc. getting dump trucks full of wood chips is not straightforward.
>>2869193the idea is to have 3-5 large trees help loosely define 5-8 zones of suburban backyard, with a focus on native and cultivated edibles.
>>2869193Its enriching to see a "real poster" so ill help you as I can.Family doesnt want to eat vegetables but green beans are acceptable (im trying man, its tough).We canned (jarred) about 400 quarts in 2023 and are getting low so are doing another run.Its A LOT of fucking work dude.>pick (daily)>cut>clean>boil>jar>pressure cook>cool>repeatOne day specifically everyone else was gone and I spent 14 hours by myself canning at peak season.Pic is about a 10x50Smaller plants are either from too much water (terrain) or too much nitrogen (tilling chicken poop).We also do salsa but tomato worms (sphinx moths) destroy the crops unless you use poison and im Buddhist so we just go to local "pick your own, fill your buckets" farms.
>>2869198>cont...We had raised beds.We did it yearly.It SUCKED.>go big every few yearsDo you have a pressure cooker?Do you have a faucet over your stove?Do you have 1,000 Ball jars (with rings) from 1958 in your basement?Point being....Once you harvest, can you store (?)Ever shucked a walnut?Is there someone local that will shell your pecans?Are you going to puree the peaches for the grandbaby? (We did)Will she like the peaches?>yesWill she like the pears?>nope. Well fuck, delete that 200 hours from this timeline.
>>2869199>forgot picJars are actually a major thing. Its about a buck for a quart jar.That seems like no big deal except im going to can 400-500 quarts.
>>2869134SoCal has that beat.Ive seen cinderblock houses with zero yard in Compton (the ghetto of L.A.) go for $1.2 million.
>>2864697>I have a field but I rent out to my neighbor who uses it to make hay for his cattleThis is the perfect set up to take a corner out and fence it. Hay is there, just take a few large bails out of the "share" and use it for a few cows or goats.
>>2869428Whoever butchered that tree should be shot.
>>2869199i waterbath can on my rocket stove, haven't got the courage to pressure can since its hard to control heat in my rocket
>>2869198>>2869199>>2869200>>2869446that's pretty cool, anon. i'm not really trying to replace going to the grocery store, i'm trying to make wild delicacies on my property that's impossible to buy at the store.i have a mature black walnut and crabapple in back, so i'd make wild yeast crabapple cider, and green black walnut infused wine. i have hardneck garlic and garlic mustard for wild pesto, and want ramps. i'll soon have a variety of native berry bushes to make jams, and maybe linden honey in a year.it's more about making the best food with what i have. i know a goat cheese lady who mde pesto with mushy 3 year old goat cheese, walnuts, and ramps, and i bought it 10 years ago and literally just discussed that pesto with a mushroom farmer friend i hadn't seen in 5+ years.the goat cheese lady told me that color dreams come from god, and black and white dreams come from the devil, and i believe her.
>>2869447>i'm trying to make wild delicacies on my property that's impossible to buy at the store.i kinda did the same thing. i cut down all the trees on about a 1/2 acre and just let new trees grow. lots of persimmon, mullberry, wild blueberries, and blackberries have came up along with lots of other wild berries that i cant remember, like boysenberry and soldierberry and black cherry. the trees are young but growing good.>black walnutall my neighbors have lots of black walnut but i do not have any. you shouls make black walnut tincture, it is supposed to help improve you mood and i think it does. it was easy to make bit if you make it spend a couple more bucks and get good vodka for better taste
>>2864587
>>2869671Lol.This isnt the 13th century where peasants are tilling their fields with an ox.Buddy of mine has a GPS controlled combine. He sits in the cab and studies for his PhD while the tractor does everything automatically. Hes only in the cab for emergency shutdowns if something goes wrong (never has).You till the fields once. Plant the crops once.Wait for 3 months.Harvest the crops once.Its like 4 weeks of actual work in an entire year.>b-but you have to wake up before sunrise and milk the cows and feed the horses and water the chickens!!!Then you have breakfast and go work on your dirt oval racecar all afternoon because theres nothing else to do on the farm.
>>2869680Oh ok cool I'll just go buy a $600k piece of equipment. Stfu retard
>>2869690If society crumbles that tractor will be free.Just go out into a field and drive one home.>dur hur but fuel...Go find a 7500 gallon tanker truck at the Flying J truck stop and drive it home.I think you missed the "when society collapses" part.Im not talking about "anon wants to quit his day job and be a farmer on what he has in savings".Although you can do that too.I borrowed an ancient disc harrow from my neighbor. It looked like pic related and was originally pulled by horses. He found it in the forest when he bought his property. I chained it to the tow hitch on my Bronco (kind of ironic) and narrowed 30 acres.Whats even funnier is that I was exploring the adjoining lot I bought about 2 years ago and was down in the forest where ive never been before and found a smaller harrow. Damn thing is still in working order, I pulled it out by hand.
>>2869680>>2869736ah yes, the classic "i'ma jus' gonna take ova da wallymurt!!11" 'survivalist'
>>2869736You think GPS will work if society collapses?
>>2869753he also thinks that fuel in the tanker isn't going to start degrading in months, and that those tractors are magically self-maintaining.he's rotted his brain out and thinks his vidia and television "experiences" are real life.
>>2869753>Global Positioning SATELLITESDo you think they require weekly maintenance?>>286975492FH7 here.Look that up and then come back and talk fuel.
>>2869736Yeah nobody else will think of that! Neck yourself
>>2869758>Do you think they require weekly maintenance?they depend on the USNO Master Clock in DC to stay synchronized, if it gets cut off, they will start to desync and their precision will decay quite fast.try to be less of an illiterate faggot.
>>2864587>recreation areaNah fuck that, make a deep pond.
>>2864587actual homesteading is miserableunless you just want to larp with a few tomatoes in summer and a coop of chickengrowing any staple is completely wasted timeespecially if you want to feed your animals as well
>>2869762Where the fuck did you get that bullshit from?The satellites have their own atomic clocks.The entire point of the system is redundancy that functions independently of anything ground based.Theyre purposely designed NOT to be able to be reprogrammed from a surface signal. If your shit was true then theyd be receiving updates constantly, which China or Russia could intercept and just brute force hack.God damn youre a fucking moron that has no clue how something thats been in service for 50 years even works. Just stop posting and go back to playing Call of Duty, adults are talking here.
>>2869823Go look up the documentation you fucking retard.
>>2864705Why should they? Some faggot little shill has to crawl out of the woodwork to call me a lazy loser any time I talk about doing or wanting to do literally anything. It’s just so untrue and obtuse that eventually it just becomes white noise to you.
>>2870174yessss chimp out harder, dance for our amusement!
I want to live like this, fishing and getting water from solar panels and reverse osmosis. I could shit post with satellite internet. And watch porn.
>>2870223The fact that you shitters do this on slow boards too is genuinely fucking pathetic.
>>2870256Buy the boat first.
>>2869736I'm sure that tractor doesn't have to connect to the server and authenticate your account to start
I have atleast one rotten egg in my incubator and it stinks like a mother fucker.Im going to "sniff test" each egg and hopefully find it.I have to get rid of it before it explodes in the incubator.If it explodes in my face im going to have a very bad night.So this isn't normally an issue. If an egg isnt fertilized and it sits in the incubator for 21 days @ 99° it just....sits there. (Theres some exceptions like a cracked shell causing bacterial inclusion).This issue is because I had a bunch of broody hens that I got tired of (because other hens lay their eggs in the same nest box- they'll dog pile ontop of eachother even though there's 10 other identical nest boxes so now I have fresh eggs mixed with eggs that have "kicked off").So its a tiny little rotting corpse thats cooking and off-gassing and building pressure in a grenade made out of calcium.Im at this point because I cant just throw eggs in the garbage if they're "gestating". But its difficult to tell from candling if an egg started to grow then stopped and died because it rolled out from under the hen because there was more eggs added.I had 2 of these "bonus" chics hatch today that other people probably would have tossed in the garbage so I feel at peace with the universe.I think I need one more beer before I dive in.This isnt my first time. Ive had eggs explode in my hand before. It happens when theyre at max pressure and get jossled or have temperature shift (like taking it out of the 99° incubator into my 71° hallway).Fuck.I dont wanna do this....
>>2871937One of these things is not like the other...One of these things is not our friend....
>>2871939Alright im going in.If you dont hear back from me, please donate to my children's gofundme page.
>>2865211NTA why would this be bait I'm new here
>>2871952Mmmmmmm.That looks like a tasty worm.I'll bite.....I bought 40 raw acres in the middle of a forest.It didnt even have a street address.>that was weird- they told me to call 911 and set up an appointment to have a surveyor come out to define where the "structure" would be located in correlation with the road- long story if anybody is interested.I've spent a decade turning it into the OP.So what exactly do you want?Instead of spending $1,200 a month for rent on that one bedroom apartment and playing Xbox after your McJob shift you want to hurry home and collect chicken eggs and blueberries before the sun sets and cut up those limbs that fell from the pecan tree and shovel all that shit from the goat pen and....(?)>20 minutes to pick the green beans that were ripe today.>15 minutes to clean & snap>1 hour to process at the stove (you can watch TV in the background but cant play vidya)Yay! 7 quarts of pesticide free beans and realistically 2 hours of your life gone forever... I made salsa today. (Pic)>tomatoes (~30 pounds)>bell peppers>jalapeños >onions>garlic30-something pints (forgot to count).Pretty much the entire day for 20 bucks at the grocery store
>>2871962So you think thats what you want?Compared to this?
>>2871962>Plant a fruit tree>None of this is a problem and you instantly grow thousands worth of fruitHow much would several hundred pounds of fruit cost at the grocery store again? You can say vegetables are hard but fruit is literally set and forget after you've bought the initial tree, extremely minor maintenance.Literally every one of my aunts has a raspberry patch that they do nothing with, it just makes berries forever.
>>2870256>Doing this on the oceanCould not be me, for some lake / river network it would be fun, I'd never ever do this on the open ocean.Plenty of places even where there's sheltered coves everywhere so even some cheap boat converted to a little solar powered cruiser would work, no need for an expensive hard to maintain ocean yacht.
>>2872013>I'm confusing the agriculture in my sandbox survival vidia with real life again.someone has never thinned a fruit tree, and it shows.
>>2872018>Go out and clip with some clippers for 3 minutes per yearMan that was hard or something.
>>2872013Fruit doesnt ripen at even intervals over the course of a year as you pick it.It all hits at once and you can it or lose it.And my 2 hour time frame for 7 quarts was being generous. Realistically it would be 3+ hours.But let's say you have a nice apple tree and you process all the fruit and now have unlimited canned apples.What are you going to do with them?Peanut butter & apple jelly sandwiches for lunch every day?Apple cobbler & Apple pie for desert?Apple sauce as a side with every meal?
>>2872041>Apples Store in a cooler for months no processing fast to pick.Wow that was hard.>Doesn't ripen at even intervalsPlant so that they ripen at different times.>Oh no I've lost some of my harvest!Who cares?
>>2865625your options, goy:>work menial labour forever while never owning anything and renting a pod>work menial labour forever while owning your own home and land and producing your own food
>>2872049seriously i work at a fucking warehouse doing basic labour anywayare you people office cucks afraid of using your hands or something?don't assume i am of the same ilk as you spineless soft hand cowards
>>2864587this is beyond retarded.... was it made by AI?
>>28645871- This isn't enough food to sustain even a single person.2- you would get much more food by converting the livestock zone by more vegetable gardens (livestock take, was it something like 7 times more land to produce the same amount of food?)3- on that subject, how are you feeding your livestock? That area isn't even large enough to sustain a single cow.But yeah, I feel you. I do too. Just double the land and cover all of it in vegetables, and I think you might have something...
>>2872048>Plant so that they ripen at different times.Theres sone workarounds for vegetables, not fruit.Apples, peaches and pears will ripen at the same time. Some cultivars of apple have longer shelf life than others but all are limited.We had a late freeze after they blossomed so no pears or peaches this year. Only about 2 dozen apples (that tree was in the middle of blossoming so some survived). Theres bothing you can do about the weather. We only get pears and peaches 50% of years because of those late frosts.Im doing green beans right now.The first couple weeks is picking & canning daily. You can pick and store in the fridge for a few days but then youre just spending an entire saturday canning.Just made the salsa. Got the tomatoes and jalapenos from a friend because we didnt have time to dick with other crops.Growing zone plays a major factor.There was measurable snowfall in Reno just 1 month ago- the middle of May.
>>2872061>Some workarounds for vegetables, not fruitA whole lot of berries are like this though, some raspberries can bear on primocanes now and the patch will give you a ton early in the year, then when you pull out the old canes a new crop comes in later in the year, this is just an example but a lot of berries are somewhat similar.For actual fruits yeah, the different varieties do ripen at different times a few weeks apart though, but there are a lot of different kinds of fruits to grow in the first place especially if you include meme fruits.>Late freeze causes all the pears and peaches to not growSad, must be your climate.>Green beansI generally only do vegetables for fun and larping because they just are not as good as fruits and I only really eat a handful of them regularly. I avoid anything really labor intensive like beans even if they have great yields.
>>2872053>He doesn't designate a random area of his yard as a "recreation area" that in no way integrates with anything else and is way in the backlmao>He doesn't label his house "main house"lmao
>>2872040>>2872048>>2872049>>2872063>If I whine hard enough, reality will change its rules to match my fantasies!go spend a season trying this at a small scale and get back to us.
>>2872065I'm a professional fruit picker and my cousin owns a fruit farm, it literally is that easy.>try this at a small scaleAlready did and it was my first job. Not hard. It's not "changing the rules of reality" or whatever, fruit varieties are made to ripen at different times because you have to bring fruit to market throughout the year to make the most money.
>>2872063>A whole lot of berries are like thisI have 2 properties.Theyre about 15 miles apart with an elevation difference of about 50 feet.The blackberries will be ripe and ready to pick on one property and just starting to blossom on the other. Its like that every year. Same type of blackberries.Oddly enough I transplanted some blueberries from one property to the other and their blossoming schedule is the opposite.
>>2872069This is impressive if they have similar yields, I've found that you can get a lot of stuff like this to happen but usually one will have shit yields because of it, I was mostly talking about different varieties.
>>2872066>cousin owns a fruit farmDoes he have a desk job and picks the fruit after work or does he pay people to pick the fruit for him or is it a full time job and all he does?Is it a monoculture farm or does he have various cultivars so he can rotate from one ripe crop to the next as the growing season progresses?Nobody here is saying that growing food is "difficult".But pretty much everybody is saying that time management is the killer.Im the green bean/salsa anon BTW.I also raise chickens.Not on an industrial scale with barns housing 50,000 chickens, just a hobby for fresh eggs and to experiment with egg color (also working on a "super fluffy" Cochin).I have automatic waterers and feeders that hold a 50 poind bag of feed. But I still have to collect eggs everyday, watch birds for any health issues and shovel chicken shit once a week. I have to go to the feed store and fill up those feeders.I lost power last night when a storm came through (doesnt happen too often) and had to get the generator fired up and plugged into the incubators in the house and the grow-out pen that has week old chicks for the heat lamps. In the middle of the night.In the rain.The OP is a massive time sink.
>>2872070>I was mostly talking about different varieties.I actually had issues once because I had 2 types of blueberries that needed different cultivars for pollination and the 2 types that I had chosen (randomly) bloomed at different times. One was totally done blooming then the other startedIt was frustrating as hell.I've learned a lot since then
>>2872071It's a 100 acre farm that JUST he manages all himself - with his dad who is too old to do anything but drive a tractor. They harvest all the fruit trees themselves and only bring people in for the berries, have someone else do the market.It's just outright wrong that someone couldn't do 5 acres or so of farming fruit themselves just in their spare time for fun, but that would be overproduction for one person.The OP didn't mention how many trees, just a vague "food forest" which is largely hands off, nor did it say how big the garden was or what its purpose was, or the livestock, but none of that intrinsically is a lot of work.>Is it a monoculture farm?Trees and bushes that provide throughout the whole growing season.>We are saying it's a big time sinkAnd I'm saying it's not just one guy does all the trimming of trees for like 100 acres, along with pulling of old canes. The actual management of the plants is not a lot of work, the work comes in harvest and market - and if you're not trying to make money this just outright doesn't matter.You don't actually have to min-max your garden's yield if you're not trying to bring things to market.
>>2872077You are delusional.>your uncle and his father run a farm>they harvest product.>they sell that product.>then they use that money to buy food.The OP is a fantasy.Your uncle isnt standing on a ladder and picking apples like a wetback. He has a Shaker (pic).How does he make the mortgage?>sells productHow does the OP pay their light bill?
>>2872087>Your uncle isnt standing on a ladder and picking apples like a wetback. He has a Shaker (pic).OK I can immediately ignore everything you say forever, that would bruise the apples and make them unsaleable instantly, and also make them spoil.>Bro just shake the applesLMAO what the fuck why would you ever post on a forum telling someone who has picked commercially to do this you don't know shit.
>>2872087Alright I did get ragebaited hard by this but it's the most retarded post I've seen probably in months. You'd expect it on /pol/ or something where the people there have never picked a fruit.
>>2872041>but let's say you have a lot of food>what are you going to do with it, eat it?>come on, let's be realistic...
>>2871962So it's bait because it could be larger?That's weird.
>>2872094You dont have "a lot of food"You have "a lot of A food".Case in point is a late freeze decimating the pear and peach blossoms. So now all.you have is apples.How long until you get sick of eating apples with every meal?I planted about 500 sq/ft of green beans this year.So far its 87 quarts canned.The family can go through 2 quarts in a meal (just as a side dish).I dont think you understand how much area is needed to produce a crop.>>2872092>OK I can immediately ignore everything you say forever, that would bruise the apples and make them unsaleable instantly, and also make them spoilDude.Thats the actual device used to harvest apples.How fucking stupid are you?
>>2872125>That is the device used to harvest applesNot on any commercial farm I've worked on.You don't know what you're talking about if you think that they're using apple shakers for those apples you see at a store / farmer's market and I can ignore everything you post now.
>>2872127>the news said we NEED the illegals on farms and even showed video of them picking apples by hand to prove it!!!What a dumbass.
>>2872129You've never picked apples commercially>Just shake them broI can ignore everything you've said forever.
>>2872131>indistrial apples shakers arent used in industrial apple harvesting!!! Theyll bruise the apples!!!What a dumbass.Its a tarp, not a slab of granite. Its like dropping an apple onto a trampoline.I get it. Machines are expensive in your third world shithole so its cheaper for a farmer to pay some high school dropout like yourself to lug a ladder through the orchard. Developed nations use apple shakers.
>>2872134>Developed nations use apple shakers.For apples that they process where it doesn't matter.Not for any small farms, or those big commercial farms where they bus in workers.You didn't know this because you're commenting on a topic you know nothing about. This is the same for all fruit shakers.
>>2864587>I want to live like this.Said the man who hasn't cook a meal in 5+ years.
>>2864587Off grid ?
Or out of pace
>>2872135>small farmsThe ones whi cant afford it and wouldnt benefit anyways because of low harvest volune?>those big commercial farms where they bus in workers.You mean the ones that use the equivelant of slave labor to maximize profits dont want to purchase equipment? Crazy! Who would have thought?
>>2872173>It's because they don't want to purchase equipment!It's because all of these mechanical harvesters bruise the fruit. No matter how many times you post it won't change reality.
>>2872173>>2872174It's impossible to state how retarded you are>Those farms that are thousands of acres?>They just hire hundreds of pickers every year>Because they don't want to buy one piece of machinery>No I never actually looked into this but that's what I made up in my head
>>2872175>>No I never actually looked into this but that's what I made up in my headthat's what you've been doing repeatedly in this thread son.
>>2872180Dude.Hes a day laborer.Imagine being in a position where "picking fruit" is a viable career choice.Guarantee hes sub-80 IQ.
>>2864716Nah, they got some weird little roto-rooter thing that does it in like five minutes now.
>>2865625How long do you think it takes to water plants and put out feed for animals?
>>2872213>tasks that have trivial time overhead in my games have trivial time overhead in real life at any scale if I believe hard enough!is this the thing where a retard keeps asking the same retard question over and over hoping the answer will change and this one different response he seeks will make his retard fantasies viable?
>>2872213>water plants and put out feed for animals?and check for bugsand weedand harvestand preserveand fix fenceand fertilizeand clean pensand move animals around for breedingand help with birthsand predator protectionand put hay away for winterand market what you produceand butcher animals
>>2864624Once you see it
>>2872175i'm not any of the posters in this thread, but i've been a day laborer in agriculture for 7 years now, have a farming education, and was raised on an orchard with apples and worked at a commercial apple and pear orchard (in western europe, so we don't have mexican cheap labor and we still do it by hand)an apple hitting another apple from basically anything more than an inch or two bruises it and makes it completely unfit for selling to stores, you can use it for industrial food making (so processing the apples directly into juice, canned goods, whatever), but stores don't buy bruised apples, and they will bruise without fail if not handled with care apple-by-applethe problem isn't the apple hitting the tarp, it's two apples hitting eachother, they're treated with care picked hand-by-hand they're not thrown or dropped, and there's indeed a crapton of labor involved>Those farms that are thousands of acres?>They just hire hundreds of pickers every yearyes that is actually how it works for any apple that is sold as fresh produce, hiring a couple dozen pickers is nothing out of the ordinary for even medium sized operations, though we don't have extremely large orchards in my country like in the USA, it wouldn't surprise me if a big operation could hire 100's of pickers for a couple weeks
>>2864587The question is if producing your food like that would be cheaper than buying it at the supermarket or not.
>>2872359If youre retired or have someone in the family that can spend 8 hours a day harvesting, canning, weeding, shovelling shit etc...then ya.If you have a day job and and want to do MGTOW, fuck no.>it only takes 30 minutes to pick the vegetables.>it only takes 45 minutes to can the day's harvest.>it only takes 15 minutes to clean out the chicken pen.>it only takes 10 minutes to feed the chickens and collect eggs.>it only takes 20 minutes to pick the fruit>it's only a 30 minute trip to the feed store and backSo you got off work at 5.Got home by 5:30.Its now 8:30 and you just finished chores.Now you can cook dinner.9:15 and off to the shower.Some days you can wrap up everything in 20 minutes.Other days its 2am and youre still at the stove canning.You can supplement some of your favorite foods so you dont have to deal with low quality supermarket products but trying ro "live off the land" is highly unrealistic.Yes our ancestors did it for thousands of years. But thats all they did. And they constantly died of famine.Modern tech makes it "easier" but until we hit iRobot levels it atill takes time out of the day
>>2872364And add to that that you come from work tired and you don't want to keep working when you arrive at home.
>>2872357>meanwhile, in reality......
>>2872365And that part sucks because after you did the "bare minimum day" and checked the automatic waterers, shoveled all the goat shit (DO NOT get goats) and disposed of the dead chicken that was only 5 fucking months old you have a day that you're not busting your ass to prodice food and you just want to sit on the couch with the grandbaby and a coloring book so once again that quadrajet rebuild kit you ordered from rockauto 2 months is just staring at you from the, shelf unopened and tou think "maybe ill have time for the Cutlass tomorrow".And then tomorrow shows up and it was a double batch of green beans and youre still at the stove after sunset and you think "ill just get eggs before I go to work" and etc etc etcThe Cutlass will never see asphalt again as long as you own it btw.
>>2872394Oh ya...Another night staying up late because a storm is coming through and I have 3 incubators running (Marans, Cochin, Faverolles and some F4 & F5 shit thats going to be crazy as hell) so im on standby with the generator and extension cords.
>>2872071Honestly it just sounds like you have a really shitty fuckin attitude that's making you miserable.Not very Buddhist imo.A man who has his head straight finds immense meaning and fulfillment in growing and preserving food for his family with his own hands.The type of meaning and fulfillment you can't get from an office job, which drives office workers to a life of coping with antidepressants.
>>2872509Without the office job you cant pay for the property to grow the vegetables on.Buddhist monks survive by alms BTW.They do not grow food and only eat what is given to them by the locals.
I have 10 acres. I have 12 citrus trees, 3 peach trees and three pear trees. Productive wild black berries are all along the sunny edges of my grass areas. I have worked up a nice garden spot. I have not put in a garden for the last few years because the deer and rabbits eat everything before I get to harvest it. I have rolls of fencing and posts to install to protect the garden from deer and rabbits but I have not put it up yet because it is an eyesore. My property is an an area surrounded by national forest and my western property line is bordered by a 200 acre state wildlife sanctuary. My income exceeds my expenses so I am not pressured to produce. I simply plant a new tree every now and then and enjoy my property. What I am saying is you can plant trees and berry bushes and enjoy your property. The trucks have not stopped running yet.
>>2872836I have a fenced area for gardening but every few years I do large crops for canning and I just hammer in a few stakes and string out some chicken wire with zipties. Its not pretty but it works and is just up for a few months.
>>2864587It's feasible if you have some source of passive income, but if you're thinking you can live like that - an off-grid, completely self-sustaining lifestyle, it's going to be a big nope.
>>2871952In still left wondering why that's bait and only >>2871962 gave me a spergy response.>Someone only wanting fruits and vegetables is bait because salsa and I bet you like Xbox and McDonald's
>>2864718Based and reality-pilled
Urbanites fuck off.
>>2873154>why that's baitThis entire thread is bait.Unless youre processing the fruits and vegetables, youre going to get 2 months of produce then the rest is rotten.You wont have a choice of what to eat. Youll eat whatever is ripe.If you process- youll spend 4 hours a night picking, prepping and canning.If you want to save money then youre starting from seed. Which is an extra month of babying seedlings indoors.If you get mature plants then you might as well just have bought a bag of tomatoes at $1.50 a pound instead of spending 2 months on an $8 plant that had as many caterpillars on it as tomatoes by the time youre done.Sustenance farming is a full time job.The pic you cropped is enough food for 1 person for a year, IF you can everything.And we havent even gotten into the time youre going to spend weeding by hand, maintaining the fence line to keep rabbits from digging under, spraying for black spot when it infects the orchard....
>>2870256gonna need a lot more panels than that. Looks like you'd get 3-4 kwh a day tops from that in ideal conditions
>>2870256Brilliant.What could possibly go wrong?
I mean with the new battery tech isnt this easier than ever? Electricity was super hard to store before. Now its easier so self reliance isnt really that big of a deal anymore.
>>2873220It's expensive.And dont make me post "chinese scooter explosion while charging #34,698 .MP4"The real problem is collecting that energy, solar panels only work when its sunny.You cant afford property to homestead in SoCal.You can afford property in Nevada but the water table is 5,000 feet down and you cant afford the well.You can afford the property in Montana and can easily hit the water table but 35% of the year you cant collect enough sunlight to charge a cellphone.You can afford the property and hit the water table and have enough clear days to keep the solar going in Tenneessee but theres so much sulfur in the water that everything smells like rotten eggs unless you change the filter every morning.Those are all examples from my personal experiences BTW. I have a cabin innawoods. Im not off grid. I was lucky enough to have a trunk line running down the road.>first 300 feet is free- after that its $4 a foot overhead, $7 a foot underground.>*free 300 feet not included if you choose underground Septic is the real killer.My county doesnt give a shit if you build a house out of palets and freeze to death because you dont have electricity or a pot belly stove.But if you dont have a permitted septic system they'll take you to court and evict you from your own property.I mean, I get it. I dont want raw sewage from my neighbors shit shack flowing across my yard.I post all the time about my experiemce so some of this is familiar.But its also why these threads piss me off- because the OP pic is some ideal min/max paper fantasy thats unobtainable on so many different levels.Thanks for reading my blog.Ill be here all week.Dont forget to tip your waitress.
>>2873248I'll add this.Septic-I have 30 feet of elevation change across my property.I had multiple options for septic.The guy who bought the 20 acre lot next to mine is much flatter. He actually bought his first and probably thought it was the better choice.Since it's lower and flat (surprise) its part of the flood plain. So you might be able to walk across it afyer a hard rain but its water logged 5" below the surface. He could only get a septic permit in one area (the highest part) where he totally did not want to build.The alternatives were to hire a soil scientist (yes, thats a job title) and truck in semi trucks full of backfill or have a pump system that pumps his poop water uphill to another piece of the property.Oh ya, he was behind me so his distance from the trunk line was about $7k for electric (iirc). He asked me for permission to run the powerline across my property for a shorter run and that was just a "eh, I dont think so".I also own that plot now.
>>2873218>Unnamed 1883>Unnamed 1893>Unnamed 1886How did they map hurricane paths when radar didn't exist?
>>2873296they didn't.. some guy left his photos on the table when taking his toddler to Denny's.
>>2873296Jesus christ.The future of humanity is doomed.>I cant figure anything out unless a computer tells me what happened.
