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thanks to a very cold winter, many fruiting trees started vegetation very late (now) and escaped -8 degree cold 2 weeks ago
so, this year we will have walnuts, mulberries and others
it applies to many decorative plants that escaped late frost by starting vegetation later than in previous years
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>>2868543
Besides physical barriers and spike strips, also look up what other plants to pair them with that deter pests and even those that improve the health of fruit trees. Rats are less likely to try to chew through metal wire if there something nearby irritating their eyes and noses.

I put peppermint, lavender, rosemary, and basil around my deck patio and the feral cats aren't hanging out under there anymore. And I recently found a lot of rat shit in a outdoor storage chest, so hopefully they won't come back either. All these herbs can be easily propagated, so I'll be putting them around all my bushes and trees too.
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So is this the thread to ask about lawn care?
I was thinking of overseeding my front yard because it looks like shit.
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>Prickly pear cactus (Opuntia spp.) species range from hardy to USDA Zone 3b, with many, like O. humifusa, surviving freezing temperatures down to Zone 4 (-30°F). They thrive in full sun and well-drained, sandy, or rocky soil. Essential care requires minimal water, and while they shrivel in winter, they recover in spring.
>Cold Tolerance: Many species, particularly Opuntia humifusa (Eastern Prickly Pear) and Opuntia polyacantha (Plains Prickly Pear), are extremely cold-hardy, withstanding significant snowfall and sub-zero temperatures.
>>2868578
I'm so mad at the Chipmunks and Squirrels right now
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>>2868586
>So is this the thread to ask about lawn care?
Maybe.

>I was thinking of overseeding my front yard because it looks like shit.
I overseeded without doing proper research. Now I'm cursed with bermuda randomly popping up.

Your front yard probably looks like shit because of shit soil. If the bad spots used to have anthills on them you have to dig those spots up and refill with good soil. Ants literally know how to make mini concrete bricks by mixing clay and sand, which makes it hard for grass roots to penetrate.

And buy the lawn pogo stick, which is superior to aerator spikes and core aerator. Makes it easier to put in sod plugs of grasses that have no seeds like St. Augustine. And makes it easy to work in good soil; pull out 3"x3" plugs of mediocre soil, sprinkle good soil in, and grass should cover it up quickly.

Sprinkle in clover seeds because their roots are strong and grow 18-24 inches deep, which break up compacted soil allowing weaker grass roots to grow deeper in future seasons. While you wait they'll at least cover bare spots and can survive mowing and foot traffic. You'll just have to use clover safe weed killer or start weeding by hand.

Worst case you or someone else used too much weed killer and/or fertilizer and you'll have to wait.

>>2868617
>I'm so mad at the Chipmunks and Squirrels right now
I just remembered realistic rubber snakes, owls, and birds of prey can scare rodents, but you have to move them around once in awhile.
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>>2868621
My house is old and we have had it for 5 years and the front has always looked bad.
I was thinking of just hiring some Mexicans to do core aeration as that's about the same cost as renting a unit to do it myself in my area.
After that likely overseeding with a tall fescue mix because I need cool weather grass that also has some moderate wear resistance and drought tolerance.
I figure I will overseed at the end of summer and then try to keep on top of fertilizing it next year and hope for the best.
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Fuck snails.
That is all
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>>2868625
You should sprinkle in compost or manure into those core aeration holes.

Make sure to locate utilities before work starts. My comcast coax cable wasn't even buried 6" likes it supposed to be. It's literally sitting ontop of the soil.
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>>2868578
Last year rabbits ate some of my marigolds to the ground and then built a nest underneath a lavender plant. They just don't care.
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The plants have been out in the green house for about a week. But there's a cooler spell starting tomorrow, so I'll have to bring them in at night for at least 5 days. Sunday won't be warm enough to even bother putting them outside.
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bruhs the weather has been absolutely dogshit in ny
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>>2868675
god damn i fucking love being a southerner
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>Cabbage is a highly hardy, cool-season biennial that easily withstands light frosts (28-32) and, once established, can endure temperatures as low as (15-20)
>>2868621
Imma go with the fake owl and snakes then.
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>>2868648
Oh that's a pretty good idea, I'll try to remember that.
All my utilities save water are from a pole.
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I forgot about my ginger and it started growing so I put it into a potting mix about 2 weeks ago, anyone has any experience growing it?
Can I plant it outside or will it just rot during wet, cool nights we get here?
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>>2868716
You have to tell us where you live anon. Wet and cool relative to what?
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>>2868718
Central Europe
Nights below 10 C are pretty common even in summer, it can even dip to about 5 C at times and it's decently rainy here with clay soil that holds moisture well
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>2 of the new honeyberries out of 8 seem to be dead
That was the worst storm season we've ever had probably, just storms literally every other day. At least one was a repeat so I still have 5 different varieties, maybe they'll bounce back but no new growth in a couple weeks.
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>>2868667
best you can do for rabbits is plant decoy plants.
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>>2868675
>>2868678
spring was so early this year i have been eating and pickling cucumbers for 3 weeks already
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I will build a wall
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Before
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>>2868737
After
Now that I terminated winter rye I just need to till in compost and I can start planting summer crops
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>>2868727
So fucking jelly of hot weather chads
My cukes are still 2 inches tall
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>>2868736
>>2868737
>>2868738
you garden pics are my favorite.
that said, that isn't how you terminate rye. You wait for it's "flowers" to pop, then your crimp them at the base. at least in theory.
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>>2868740
Or tarp kill for an early termination
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>>2868739
good luck anon we will make it
all of my friends garlic fields are already reaching 20cm when mine just sprouted this week
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>>2868740
Thanks

>You wait for it's "flowers" to pop
Flowers did start to pop up, it's just hard to see on the photos since they are still pretty small because this spring is cold and I seeded late last season

>crimp them at the base
I don't have anything to crimp with so I just use lawnmower and rake after which seems to work well enough

>>2868741
I don't like tarping, takes a long time in cool weather like mine and you lose out on fresh greens for the compost pile
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>>2868744
those are some healthy looking leeks do you always do it like that and does it require lots of watering
i havent frequented this thread in many many years so sorry if dont regocnize youre yard but i like it
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>>2868746
>healthy looking leeks do you always do it like that
It's winter garlic actually and I only do this if I'm testing new cultivars against each other to ensure apples to apples comparison or if I don't have a good garlic spot to plant in that won't be disturbed or shaded by something else from November to July next year which can happen if I want to change a big chunk of my growing space like building this tomato netting last year, anything in there would have been trampled
This year I'm testing two new cultivars "Ornak" and "Cyryl" against my best performing "Lubasza" I started using exclusively last year after it outperformed "Harnaś" I've been using before under all conditions I have tested them in

>does it require lots of watering
Yeah, it does, pretty much every day if it's hot and sunny
I started automating container watering last year and it does help a lot

Don't apologize anon, you don't have to know everyone that frequents this general
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Hi /hgm/. I recently acquired a 1 acre property and started a garden with a couple raised beds. I have almost zero experience with growing things but was hoping to grow vegetables to be more self sufficient in the kitchen. I hadn't done much research into it and just kinda threw a whole tray of Spinach starters into half of one of the beds... What I didn't realize is that they had overseeded the trays and when I transplanted them all I was actually transplanting 3-4 plants into each spot. I started to research more and realized my mistake, but at this point I don't know if it's too late to fix it. All of the spinach is growing, albeit slowly, but it's also yellowing and I suspect it's from the overcrowding. Is it too late to thin them out at this point? Since summer heat will be coming soon to my zone, I'm not sure if it will make any difference.
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>>2868752
It's so unreal for me to see other gardens that aren't infested by 5+ invasive species.
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>>2868752
my nigga broad bean
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Several below freezing nights coming up including -4C Monday night. My grow lights are still setup so I'll just bring everything inside until Tuesday or Wednesday.
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what weed killer do you niggas use? im the only one on my street that has dandelions covering the front lawn
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>>2868779
None because I'm not a faggot
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>>2868779
The city I live in is extremely communist and started a movement to not mow at all during May and coupled with how much they hate lawn care in general there has been an enormous boom of weeds city wide.
Next year I'm going to load my lawn up with pre emergent because this lawn of dandelions shit is awful.
I also grow a butterfly/bee garden in between the sidewalk and road because I hate one of my neighbors.
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>>2868782
based city
you should grow more "weeds" and let them outcompete your stupid grass
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>>2868783
No it's fine, dandelion front yards look like shit and make it hard to do things like play with children in them.
I'll mow my lawn, use fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides, and water it.
It will look amazing while everyone else has shit and is proud of their race to the bottom.
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Remember to do your part and only grow pre-colonial plants.
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>>2868793
I really need to start taking screenshots of the people crying about how we need to plant native or the ecosystem will collapse in two more weeks
You can't even imagine some of these creatures
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>>2868758
>Is it too late to thin them out at this point?
Experiment and learn. Thin some and see if it helps. Yellowing could also be from soggy soil or lack of nutrients in soil, if you just filled the beds with regular dirt lying around.

>>2868787
>No it's fine, dandelion front yards look like shit and make it hard to do things like play with children in them.
I prefer nice thick privacy hedges when playing with children in my yard.
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>>2868793
I only grow invasive natives like black locust.
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>>2868793
I'm planting pawpaws in Europe. Cry about it.
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>>2868787
>and make it hard to do things like play with children in them
Are your dandelions 7 feet tall or something?
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>>2868802
They have out competed the shade tolerant grass and now there is mostly dandelions in half of the front.
They don't feel good underfoot with so many combined with a fir tree it makes for a unpleasant time.
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brehbrehs i cant wait until i can finally plant my annonas and bananas in my new house. bless you zone 9a. im going to abuse the no frost loophole to grow so many tropicals
>>2868617
tastes like watermeloné. the seeds are bigger and the fruits are smaller but the flavor is stronger
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>>2868793
>kentucky bluegrass
>not from kentucky
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>>2868793
I encourage native planting but there is nothing wrong with planting non-invasive non-natives. KBG can suck my dick though, rhizomatic bastard
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>>2868827
>non-invasive non-natives
I'm pretty sure invasive just means non-native
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>>2868851
NTA but as far as I understood, not all non-natives are invasive
at the very least, if there's no risk of them spreading without human intervention keeping them in check (or if human intervention is required just to keep them alive) then it's not really a cause for concern in the same way as kudzu etc
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>>2868852
From what I understand the designation just means it's not part of the local ecosystem and therefore a risk to the food chain, but sometimes that's catastrophically harmful and sometimes it does nothing at all. Kudzu is actually not that serious compared to a lot of invasive fish and insects that completely wipe out similar/equivalent natives. This terminology gets confusing because it means native has to be really specific to your local regional ecosystem and even "native" plants (from your country) can be invasive in the wrong region, especially in a large place like America.

People like using invasive to mean aggressive spreader, which falls apart because some natives are extremely aggressive too and some invasive pioneer plants appear aggressive at first but are fairly harmless in the long term. The issue is often less that something like wineberry is an aggressive spreader, but that it likes to grow in the same conditions as local blackberries and could displace them, and displacing something from its native range often means extinction. It's still perfectly edible and provides nectar and pollen and protects the soil, so not that different from nature's perspective. There's also a bias towards familiarity because some invasions are inevitable natural selection, like fireweed and lambsquarter spread basically everywhere long ago. Dandelions are now present everywhere when they weren't a few hundred years ago, but could that have really been prevented?

This is a more complex topic than some people make it out to be, but the term invasive itself is not. All non-natives are invasive if they're growing in the wild in a place they don't belong. They're invading! The fact that most of them are unfixable/unpreventable/not-even-that-harmful is why a lot of eradication projects were dropped in modern times. Autumn olive and kudzu are here to stay.
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>>2868865
tldr
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>>2868866
It don't matter. None of this matters.
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>>2868865
the other guy was already right you didn't need to type this all out
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Winds have really been whipping the hell out of all my plants. Lost a lot of blooms to gusts.
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>>2868617
don't plant that shit anywhere near agricultural land it's a massive pain in the arse
>>2868631
r34
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>>2868719
ginger foliage dies back overwinter when it's that cold but it'll regrow just fine
dig some sand into your soil though, the rhizomes rot easily in clay
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Shitcago, zone 5b. Not even growing anything yet aside from already established stuff (strawberry, blueberry, golden raspberry, black chokeberry, chuck berry).
Question is about hot pepper.
What conditions yields the hottest?
I understand genetics is a huge influence, and I'm too lazy to min max soil ph and nutrients.
However, what I have read is that stressed plants will be hotter. Less water and so on. I haven't even germinated any seeds, so I might get a plug of something bushy that can grow in a 5 gal like thai Birdseye or whatever I can find at me-nards.
So, stress them out to get hotter, or water them like I'm going to have to build an arc?
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>>2868787
>No it's fine, dandelion front yards look like shit and make it hard to do things like play with children in them.
Either, my ESL-ass doesn't know about a dandelion, that isn't like the dandelion everyone knows, or your kids are weak ass faggots who are afraid of stupid flowers. In spring, my "lawn" is like 70% dandelions and the kids don't have any issues. In fact, they love 'em, since they can pick flowers to their hearts content and when they're fruiting and you can blow the seeds around it's fun.
>>2868800
>pawpaws
I've read about them a few times, they've even been in my local gardening paper, kinda curious.
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>>2868932
My kids don't care, I do and I think having half of the yard patchy grass with overgrown dandelions looks like fucking shit.
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My app says this is red mulberry? So it'll eventually bear fruit? Should I transplant to give it more room?
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>>2868956
Looks more like a white or white/red hybrid to me. No way of knowing whether it's a male or female. I suggest getting a known female cultivar suitable for your area. And definitely get it away from your house
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>>2868956
>>2868963
This. We have one that grew in our backyard that must just be a male, it's never fruited once.
I've heard mulberries can be trained small, but a naturally dwarfing variety will give better fruit when smaller. And if that's a red mulberry they get big, get it away from the house.
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>>2868956
>>2868963
Kill it with fire. Mulberries all around the property, not by choice. One of these fucks decided to set up shop near the front porch. Had to dig down to the point the roots were traveling underneath the concrete walkway. Tread carefully. Pun intended.
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>>2868963
>>2868965
Huh...should I just get rid of it? (Though I feel kinda bad when I do that)
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>>2868971
Yeah. If you actually want mulberries just get a naturally dwarfing variety and plant it. Those things grow like weeds and are everywhere, put a dwarf one that will actually fruit in its place.
They are actually everywhere if you're in mulberry country, more numerous than wild apples and cherries and pretty much every fruit you can think of, chop it down so it doesn't destroy your house.
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I want to plant a persimmon, probably fuyu, in my garden. The soil is really shit, it's sandy and hydrophobic. It's autumn right now, should I try to improve it before I plant it in spring?
What should I use to improve it?
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>>2868987
>The soil is really shit
>should I try to improve it
Yes. A THOUSAND TIMES, YES!!!!!!!!!
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>>2868793
I am growing mangoes
I will very soon try pollinating my anonas again
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>>2868999
LOOK at how moist that is. Wow.
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>>2868999
Behold my anona flowers (flower)
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>>2869004
Wow.
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We finally have nights that don't dip much below 10c here. My tomatoes are staying out overnight and it's always spooky
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The farmers almenac said today was a good planting day so i tilled my garden and planted ~72 started plants, a mix of tomatoes and peppers. I am very very lazy about my planting, i just pick random spots in the ground, squat with a trowel, dig a tiny hole, place the plant in and throw decomposted chicken shit on top. The same method worked well last year except this year i need to run wires across my garden for the plants to cling to

I also just finished contructing my grape trellis. It consists of 3x 8 foot treated pine landscaping posts put 24-26in into the ground, 18 feet apart with ~70lbs of concrete per post. I'll run 10 gauge wire between them. I have 2 good sized concord grape roots (each take up 2 gallons) arriving in the mail next week.

I also have an almond tree and 2 currant shrubs ordered, idk when they will get here

Last year I planted 10 trees; 2 apple, 3 pawpaw, a long john euro plum, a lapins cherry, baby crawford peach, chinese sweet pit apricot, and a quince from uzbekistan. They all appear to be doing well, it will be a while before i expect to see fruit, especially the pawpaws since you have to plant them at a super young age due to their quickly growing taproot.

I have wild blackberries on the property, last year i got about half a gallon. I also have a big walnut tree thats probably over 150 years old. I harvested walnuts from it last fall, just what i could pick on my side of the property at standing height and they turned out well and i snack on them occasionally
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>>2868987
Till in compost or aged manure

>>2869022
For me today it didn't even go above 10 C during the day, it's the coldest May since I started gardening, tomatoes and peppers are still stuck indoors
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>>2869024
Had a similar problem here until tonight, where the temps begin to shoot up over the next few days. Hopefully you'll get some luck soon
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Ladybugs apparently love cilantro when it's blooming. Had like 7 of em on here and some of them were banging.
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My cucumber became a tall fucker, can you bury the stem a bit like tomatoes?

>>2869030
>some of them were banging
Nice
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>>2869022
> We finally have nights that don't dip much below 10c here. My tomatoes are staying out overnight and it's always spooky
Same here, only that the night from Sunday to Monday was barely above freezing, so I skipped my outdoor-in-the-ground tomatoes and only did the ones in planters where I have to properly use the heat of my huge ass paved driveway and dragged them into my shop for the night.
Now one looks like that. Never seen this before. Second one of the same cultivar (Vilma F1) looks fine, but that was sowed about a month later.
Guess I’ll do the rest of my tomatoes piece by piece during the coming evenings or next weekend.
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>>2869072
Looks like sunscald. Were they not hardened off properly?
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>>2869094
> Were they not hardened off properly?
I raise some proper plants, not some gay sissy pussy plants that need to be hardened off! My plants are hard from germination!
…but joking aside: No. never really bothered with that, seems to work fine for me, so that is kinda surprising, especially since it is the only one.
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>>2869030
This is a blue board you sick fuck
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Found some phallic mushrooms coming out of the roots of my trees
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I just ordered 2 more borealis haskaps
I sure do hope they're the right ones I need to have everything mix right, 7 other early season haskaps otherwise.
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>>2869191
I've seen something similar which we call dead man's fingers
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>>2869015
That's what I said.
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>>2869204
These charts are all meme charts, for home growers they don't matter if you just buy more than a couple bushes.
They're for professional farmers where they have 10,000 bushes all of two types. A home gardener is realistically gonna have a few different kinds and this is never gonna be a problem.
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Hello /out/! is my first time posting in these threads. I recently started gardening and I have a few plans for the summer and then fall. This week I'll break down my clay on the side of the house, add some soil and grow buckwheat, and a few okra too, burgundy okra

For the fall I wanna grow tons of cilantro, with also some chives, basil and bunching onions. This will be done in growing bags. I would appreciate any tips :D
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>>2869259
Zone 8b on north texas desu
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>>2869231
I have 9 viable plants now
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I have discovered amaranths, and now all I want to grow is every kind of amaranth except I've never ordered seeds online before. Is it worth it you think?
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>>2869304
>Average winds of 15MPH, pretty common to go a week straight with 25mph winds
>These motherfuckers grow tall and fast and somehow manage to survive being whipped around by the wind all day
>Produce huge leaves which I like
>All the different strains have different color foliage
There's nothing wrong with growing twenty versions of the same plant right? Everything else I plant dies to heat or wind damage.
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>>2869307
with the possible exception of drowning your local ecosystem in kudzu or whatever, there's nothing wrong with growing plants you like
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>>2869311
I have already begun to slowly transform my barren sandlot into a cornflower field. Started with a 2foot by 2foot patch and now a good chunk of my yard is growing cornflowers. Amaranth should spread easily, it'll be nice to see instead of all the alfalfa I have to keep pulling.
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>>2869307
I agree, grow whatever you want.
Have you considered a windbreak? The other day I was reading about growing plants as a living windbreak, there are other options too with natural and synthetic materials
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>>2869316
>Have you considered a windbreak?
The way my house and my neighbors house are angled funnels all of the wind directly through my yard, I've tried putting up some palettes to partially block the wind and they just get blown over no matter how much I stake them.

25Mph is just the average, gusts usually hit much higher.
>>2868874
From last week, they're bent from the wind but they're growing strong. The sunflowers on the other hand keep losing leaves to wind damage, but they're kind of my wind break at this point. Lost 80% of my zucchini plant to wind too, but ah well I'm used to it.
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>>2869317
Bummer. Fleece tunnel secured real well maybe?
Good luck with the amaranth anyway
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>>2869259
Why buckwheat instead of something delicious you can't get in store like fresh tomatoes?
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>Grown lots of fennel seedlings from, you guessed it seed.
>They're doing well in their little seedling plugs.
>Transplanted them into a bed, surrounded with mineralised mulch.
>A week later and they've been devoured.
Fucking hell bros I'm actually losing it with these slugs and snails. I don't want to use pesticides.
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Some pigeons are really missing self-preservation instinct, it just landed on the rim of the bucker, drank some water and left, all while I was just standing here
Just a few weeks ago I found what remained of one that was probably eaten by a cat
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Ive been working on this 50sqm, its all coming together this year. My tomato are out safe n sound. Next I have like 60 dwarf bean plants
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>>2869304
I'm growing some "Dracula" Celosia and they're pretty dope. It takes a while for the cockscomb to develop but it's easy to save the seeds if you keep them alive.
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>>2869339
Great, now I have to grow some of those. The 50f minimum temp is crazy though, lucky for me it's perfect timing to plant them. Thanks for making me waste money, anon.
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>>2869304
I used to order about 50 types of seed a year (not that particular plant) and I never had issues.
I wouldnt order shit from ebay but from a nursery thats been around for years? Shouldn't be a problem.
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After re-digging, re-leveling, and removing rocks less than 1", I'm still getting standing water in my drain channels. At least overall flow rate has improved.

>look up plants that are great for stabilizing soil and soaking up tons of water to grow along channels
>most of them are sold together in a wildflower seed mix to attract bees
>bees need muddy water and rocks to land on to drink from
>now I need to buy a bee hive and bees to sip
>bees also help pollination for more bountiful harvests
>now I need to buy more fruiting plants and trees
>humans eat fruits and veggies
>now I need to impregnate a woman to have multiple humans to feed

I feel like this gardening stuff is all a scam to keep me buying stuff. Although I've seen my first butterflies and caterpillars in over a decade since I've started gardening. I'm even thinking about making my backyard Firefly friendly too since I haven't seen one of those for over 2 decades.
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The first ever seeds I've ever put into the ground have sprouted.
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>>2869324
To fix the soil. Is very clay-ish on that side and I need something to break through it and add nutrients back. I'll eventually add some covercrops or something half shade
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>>2869344
If you want something that drinks tons of water just get a couple of willows
cuttings are cheap and they're very aggressive growers
you can make your own cutting set em in water and the solution will make other cuttings from other species grow like rooting hormone
you can also make baskets and structures out of willow
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>>2869356
I want small stuff that will grow in that 6" space between the fence and rocks. If I was going full on rain garden, I'd rather get a red maple.

>>2869355
>>2869259
Why not clover, the roots grow even deeper through clay soil? The seeds I threw around are growing fine despite the herbicides, and they easily survive mowing and light traffic.
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>>2869357
Clover doesn't do as well in summer as in spring/fall, I might use it after terminating my buckwheat. Plus I wanted some wheat to compost and seems to help polinators too
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>>2869357
do the same thing I said, just kill it every year
it won't give a fuck
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>>2869358
>Clover doesn't do as well in summer as in spring/fall
Ah I see. I seeded 3 different cultivars around my foundation, so the shade should help some. Crimson clover would be best then. It will give you seeds before summer hits, so you can reseed every year.

I found a cultivar Neches clover that can survive through a dry summer, but it looks like it's sold out everywhere and it's really expensive.

>>2869360
Yep, even if clover dies, it's just more organic matter that automatically works itself deeper into the soil than compost would. Just keep reseeding.
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>>2869344
I just saw my first firefly of the season today.
My backyard is always full of them and I sit out there stoned off my shit watching them every summer.
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>>2869354
Sweet
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>>2869363
I saw one yesterday.

One year I had thousands.
Next year I had none.
Because I mowed my meadow at the wrong time.
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Having now tasted the mysterious slipper gourd, it's pretty good. Initial smell when you cut it is exactly like cucumber, but it's about 50-50 cucumber and bean pod when you eat it. It's not crisp like a cucumber, it's more soft and airy. The texture is smooth despite the appearance of a rind and seeds. Not a very good cucumber replacement, but it is a good snack.

There's about 100 of these things between the two vines I planted, and they're all starting to size up now so you get a lot and it doesn't take long. Germinated indoors, transplanted near the end of March. It doesn't seem to care about the cold nights then or the 90-degree days now.
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>Horseradish is an extremely cold-hardy perennial, thriving in USDA Hardiness Zones 2 through 9. It survives extreme sub-zero winter temperatures without damage and actually requires a dormant winter period to produce the best harvests. The cold triggers the root to store energy, intensifying its signature fiery flavor
>Care & Containment: Horseradish is virtually indestructible and highly invasive. The smallest pieces of root left behind will sprout, so many gardeners opt to grow it in large, deep containers to prevent it from taking over the garden.
>>2869406
looks like a jalapeno and an okra had babies
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>>2869441
I tried to grow perennial peppergrass as a horseradish substitute but the seed seller gave me Virginia pepperweed instead...
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Son I'm crine
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>>2869324
NTA but i always plant buckwheat first in a new plot
>outgrows and murders weeds
>any soil, any season except australian midsummer, doesn't give a shit about frost wind snow hail
>snails avoid it
>bees and random other pollinators love it
>fixes N
>early harvest
>free mulch
tomatoes can wait their goddamn turn
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habanero frog moving in for winter
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>>2869344
I personally don't like hostas, but hosts.
You can make a bunch of clones from just one.
Or look into sedum for your grow zone. Autumn joy is one of the more popular ones
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>>2869452
I should call her
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>>2868621
aerators are scams and all your doing is killing your grass faster

>weed killer

pure goyim. get perrenial peanuts, and a 5 gal jug of white vinegar.
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>>2869502
>a 5 gal jug of white vinegar.
I poured vinegar directly onto the roots of some weeds I pulled by hand and hacked away with a shovel. Those plants are growing back greener than ever in less than a week. This vinegar shit is a meme.
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>>2869471
All of those hate soggy soil. Already spread the wildflower mix.

>>2869502
>aerators are scams and all your doing is killing your grass faster
Depends on the type and user. The gas-powered and tractors ones will rip up your lawn. The core aerator I have has definitely helped where I used to have big ass anthills.

>>2869504
I have learned that most herbicides work better when the weeds are uncut and when they're mixed with a surfactant.

More leaves = more surface area for herbicides to be absorbed and move into the weeds system. Cutting lowers surface area and changes how most plants move around nutrients and chemicals. The vinegar you poured on the roots probably broke down the minerals around them making nutrients more readily available.

Try using a propane weed burner instead. No need to pull or hack unless the weeds are near plants you don't want to hurt. Also great for shou sugi ban to make your wood planters last even longer.
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>>2869507
>Try using a propane weed burner instead. No need to pull or hack unless the weeds are near plants you don't want to hurt.
They're primarily on a fenceline with plastic inserts so can't do heat. These weeds have been here longer than I have, they've been treated with every plant killer you can name and they keep coming back stronger. It's fucked up, because people in the area actively try to grow it and it won't grow. It won't even grow in my neighbors' yards for some reason, yet here I am on year 6 of trying to kill the same fucking plants.
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>>2869344
>>2869357
> standing water
>small stuff that will grow in that 6" space
Here you go lol
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Planted a ton of things today
Watermelons in my raised bed
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21 peppers
24 tomatoes
12 cucumbers
One Cucamelon, Horned melon and Peruvian groundcherry here
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14 Zucchinis
10 Peanuts
One sweet potato and pepper (mostly to compare soil quality here)
I previously also seeded here corn and bush beans
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First haskap berries of the season
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Fava beans in full bloom
Overall very productive day, I'm a bit late on planting some things but it should be fine
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>>2868725
when a rabbit was eating in my garden i shot him in the head. that worked pretty well
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>>2869357
>small stuff that will grow in that 6" space between the fence and rocks
sunshine mimosa
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>>2869519
What variety? Mine got raped by frost as they were flowering, one out of ten bushes died. Enjoy them for me anon
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>>2869520
I was thinking of doing a Winter planting of these as a cover crop, then chop 'em in April once I get the beans.
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Almost forgot, I planted leeks inbetween butterhead lettuce
I also have carrots planted here weeks ago but my seeds must be too old at this point because not many germinated and they are pretty weak
Tomorrow I'm going to plant celery and indeterminate tomatoes in the back here

>>2869525
>What variety?
This one is boreal blizzard, supposedly really late but my early cultivars in partial shade are yet to turn blue

>Mine got raped by frost as they were flowering
Must have been super cold, I have never lost flowers, leafs or fruits to late frost here

>>2869526
They survive down to -10 C iirc, too cold for me but would be nice to plant them in Autumn and harvest Spring
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What's the consensus on ribes before I spend 200 bucks on a bunch of bushes?
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>>2869527
It gets way too hot here for a lot of European crop so it's the only time I can harvest them. Gonna do fava beans in the Winter, long beans in the Summer. Neither are beans technically, but here we are...
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>>2869528
I like them, low maintenance, still produces decently when partially shaded, tasty raw and good for making jams, wines and so on
Could grow a bit faster though
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>>2869534
How about the thing with them and white pine rust? I have a couple pines I wouldn't want to damange.
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>>2869535
I'm in Europe, pines coevolved with rust and ribes for millions of years here so it's not a problem
I have no idea what would happen if you planted them somewhere outside their native range
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>>2869530
>Gonna do fava beans in the Winter
Ive heard they go well with a nice Chianti.
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>>2869527
>Must have been super cold
It got down to 14F(-10C) for two nights in a row with daytime temps just below freezing

>>2869528
I planted eight currants this year, two of each color. I'm gonna go nab some eastern prickly gooseberries from a park here soon too. I'll have to let you know next year
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Atleast the DVR is full of shit i havent seen yet.
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>>2869547
One day down and another dozen quarts.
This is my evenings for the next month.
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>>2869356
>you can also make baskets and structures out of willow
I looked up willow and fence and now I'm getting a shit ton of vids on Facebook about making living fences and tunnels out of willows.

>>2869515
That just reminded me of the 3 summers I tried growing sugar cane from seeds and they only reach 2 feet and died every time because of negligence. My parents grew them when I was little, but didn't when we moved.

>>2869510
>people in the area actively try to grow it and it won't grow
What is it?

I didn't know that some weeds can survive and multiply from being chopped up and dropped onto moist soil. Major disadvantage of a mulching mower. Even the ones I pull by hand I'd just toss them wherever and let the sun kill them. Do some more research and in general secure and destroy hand pulled weeds.
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>>2869556
>What is it?
Alfalfa. I live in a desert and my yard is hard packed sand/clay that even grass will barely grow in. It doesn't make any sense.
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Glowies are trying to ruin the fucking growing season, aren’t they?
It’s been aggressive cloud cover for weeks, predicted to continue pretty much indefinitely at this point. It has been COLD at night. Way fucking colder. And it keeps alternating
Nothing is getting the fuck done. Everything is a goddamn month behind usual at the very least. I’m actually a tryhard at this and it’s been constant effort to just keep everything alive this year. Nothing has been growing pretty much at all. Are any normies going to have a garden this year?
If I weren’t autistic and semi-experienced then I probably would have got my shit rocked at multiple points already this season.
What FUCKING GIVES???
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>>2869586
>I’m actually a tryhard at this and it’s been constant effort to just keep everything alive this year
Nice to see fellow tryhard autist.
>Nothing is getting the fuck done
Yeah I feel like I've completely missed any planting windows.
I just gave up this year and invested my effort elsewhere.
I haven't been gardening for that long, but somehow every year is different.
No idea if it was always this fucked, but honestly unless you have greenhouse or space inside with growing lights you are fucked.
Good fucking luck getting consistent results without it.
Even trees(that should be much more resilient than any veg) have been random.
Sometimes the tree is fine for few years then just randomly dies.
Sometimes you plant two same trees next to each other, one is fine the other just won't grow no matter what...
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>>2869587
Had to delete a couple replies because I can’t read this morning lmao but I guess the point is that I’ll probably be harvesting more cope this year than anything else
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>>2869584
According to the internet Alfalfa is in the legume family and most of those do better than grass in clay soil because of their strong roots.

Internet says to use herbicides + surfactant in the spring, mow it almost every day until it starves to death, or smother it.

I'd let the alfalfa keep growing to improve the soil. Supposedly grass will overtake it when you mow normally.
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>>2869330
Has it been dry in your area lately? Maybe that's the only water it could find. So it's either that, or its kaput.
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>>2869593
>Internet says to use herbicides + surfactant in the spring, mow it almost every day until it starves to death, or smother it.
>Supposedly grass will overtake it when you mow normally.
These are bold face lies the internet has lied to you. If chemical sprays could kill these plants they would be dead by now, they just come back stronger but slightly fucked up looking like some kind of Chernobyl shit. I'm pretty sure these specific plants have evolved a defense against all poisons.
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>>2869510
>>2869596
Can you pour boiling water on it or is there too much plastic for that?
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>>2869586
>>2869587
Yep, I gave up on growing beans or tomatoes or anything this year. It's been a long ass winter and now it's pouring rain for days on end. I almost feel as if we won't have summer this year.
And maybe I'm going schizo but how come the last few years every single memorial day weekend has been absolutely horrible weather?
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>>2869599
Tried it, that's funny I typed out the things I'd tried then deleted them because I was like this is boring.

Boiling water, vinegar, every herbicide you can buy outside of industrial shit which I COULD get my hands on but don't really want to deal with. I've hand pulled as many roots as possible, I've hacked away with a shovel, cut, mow, fucking whatever man.

These fucking alfalfa have probably been rooted in the same spot since the dinosaurs were around swear to god 200 foot deep taproot.
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>>2869601
>Yep, I gave up on growing beans or tomatoes or anything this year. It's been a long ass winter and now it's pouring rain for days on end. I almost feel as if we won't have summer this year.
Oh damn has it really been that bad for you? I’m in 6a and I do have noticeable growth and nothing is permanently stunted or damaged. It’s just been harder than ever to achieve this. I feel like the level of effort that usually puts me leagues ahead of normies is just getting me to below-average (for what I personally consider satisfactory). It’s discouraging but dramatic chan-posting helps me vent it. I don’t think I’ve had any casualties among my starts besides that one basil that decided to shit itself out of nowhere; it’s just that everything has been excruciatingly sloooooow
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>>2869584
I foresee tons of organic matter and a broadfork in your future. See if you can get your hands on a load of wood chips from Chipdrop
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Snow last week and next week will be above 30C every day. Since it was so cold for a while I hadn't started hardening off the tomatoes. Also started cucumbers and squash a bit late. Though it rarely pays to plant early as random frost can happen quite late.
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I got some herbs from years past growing in the yard like weeds and chives that have survived multiple winters. After planting a couple sprouting onions in the dirt just for the hell of it I dropped a few bucks on some small capsica yesterday and put them around the yard wherever the soil seemed decent and there weren’t any gophers. I’m hoping to fuck up the local ecosystem and end up with edible plants everywhere. I dunno about the peppers, but I feel pretty good about the onions making it through winter. What I really want to do is get some flexuosum and get that shit going. Should have no problem getting through the cold season here, and if it does well I want to graft some other varieties onto it so I can have all kinda of peppers without having to worry about them dying off. Does it even work that way? If my crazy capsicum survives the winter is the habanero branch just gonna die off on its own? I have no idea what I’m doing, but playing in the dirt is kinda fun. I spent so much time digging holes yesterday I didn’t even get to do what I had planned to, but I ain’t even mad.
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>>2869601
We had like 2 months of no rain and the weather just warmed up to a level where everything's fruiting, so mine are loving this. My ground cherries fell over though.
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Trees are absolutely packed with apricots, I think I'll need to do some thinning before branches break under the weight

>>2869594
No, large thunderstorm front went through just a week ago, I think it's retarded
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Lupine
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>>2869625
this shit is so cool i tried to plant some but they got eaten by critters right away
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>instructions on seed packet say to sow april to may
>sow in late april
>nothing happens entire month later
>upon inspection, the seeds had all rotted
this is the third year in a row I've had to panic-sow the rest that I'd been saving for the following year
at least in the past I got one or two out of the first sowing; this year it was literally nothing
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>>2869627
Don't follow instructions on seed packets. Look up the germination requirements yourself. You can usually find a specific temperature range and more specific warnings.
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>>2869627
Over watering maybe. I planted some zucchini a little early and when I finally went to replant new seeds I found them all just beginning to sprout weeks after they should have, the ground just hadn't warmed up as much as the air was.
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>>2869634
>the ground just hadn't warmed up as much as the air was.
Will burning my fields to raise the ground temps sooner for a better harvest work, bros?
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>>2869515
for a moment I thought that was bamboo. Absolute bestiality
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Got my custom irrigation system set up yesterday evening. Pretty simple system: spigot -> pressure regulator/splitter -> half inch tube -> 2 and 4 way splitters -> quarter inch tube -> emitters
But I feel like a fucking champion because it worked exactly as intended on the first try when I turned it on. Might not sound like much to anybody but this is my second year gardening, having found surprising success and joy when I tried it last season on a whim. I don’t think I’ve ever “built” a useful system like this that worked so well ever in my life. Now the entire expanded garden gets watered to my liking just by twisting the thing.
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>>2869677
Embrace modernity
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>>2869681
Im still fairly new to this so maybe there’s something I’m missing but I did look at these. I just stand out in the garden with my coffee and smoke each morning, unless it’s raining but then obviously there’s no need to be watering.
Seemed like, at least for me, it would be a technically unnecessary point of potential failure (an electronic one at that) in this system. I’m not sure how much I would really get out of it.
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>>2868999
>anonas
Any tips? Just bought a very young Annona squamosa and half of the leaves turned necrotic. It's probably just sunburn but now I'm stressing about what else I could be doing wrong
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>>2869677
Based, that's how it starts and then next year you are burying permanent pipes all over your property to have direct access to water everywhere you need to run a drip line
I can't believe I used to spend hours on manual watering

>pressure regulator/splitter
If you ever run into pressure/flow problems move your regulators after all the splitters, as close to emitters as possible, this will increase your maximal flow capacity substantially
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>>2869677
You can also easily create zones with manual valves like those if some parts of your garden have different watering needs or you are pulling too much pressure out of the system to run everything at once
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Finished turning one of my compost piles today, it's already in pretty good state, I'll probably turn it one more time in summer/autumn and it'll be done next year
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>>2869709
>>2869710
That is all excellent advice and I really appreciate it. I also need to keep my cat inside, apparently. I have no idea what the fuck pic rel was about but that pepper might not survive now kek
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Any anons know about the possibility of gravity feeding a drip line? I'm getting jealous but I can't get a direct mains connection. I can fill a raised water butt, though, if the pressure would be enough to cover say 10 meters/30ft distance.
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>>2869713
Most drip lines (at least the ones they sell here) need at least 0.8 bar which would need a bit over 8 meters of elevation, not very practical unless you live on a hill

>pressure would be enough to cover say 10 meters/30ft distance
That's not how it works, any pressure will be enough if you just lay down a hose with minimal height difference to slowly drain the water, the problem with drip lines is you need certain minimal pressure for given numbers of emitters you want to feed and line length
Every drip line should have something like pic related, where you can look up length you can lay down at your pressure

Can't you install a pump to your water storage?
It's quite popular solution if you don't have mains and mandatory if your storage is underground
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>>2869715
>need at least 0.8 bar
Bummer
>That's not how it works
But that's good news

>Can't you install a pump to your water storage?
I don't have an electrical hookup on site, I guess my only option would be to install a small solar panel and batteries and have that drive a pump. Not sure how realistic that is, I see some options online but they seem mainly focused on covering just the inside of a greenhouse or something.
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>>2869719
Do you have access to a stream or any other flowing water?
You could use purely mechanical hydraulic ram pump or something similar if so
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>>2869720
Unfortunately not.
Probably it is my destiny to manually water and seethe
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>>2869719
Solar + battery with a pump is very doable, pumps need little power as long as you don't pump a ton of water
You need only about 0.1 kWh for 1000 liters at 2 bar, hell you could even charge a battery with mains output offsite and bring it in and it should last you for a few days of pump use
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>>2869724
>0.1 kWh for 1000 liters at 2 bar
That does sound pretty achievable, with only watering a few times a week which is all I need.
I found some 12v pumps designed for caravans, I don't really know what I'm doing but they are rated up to 50 psi (3.5bar), 12 litre/min
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>>2869730
That's really good, you could wire that straight into a car battery with a switch and a fuse
3.5 bar is pretty high, most drip lines and emitters are rated up to 2~3 bar so you would need a pressure regulator to drop it, they are cheap though
Drip lines and emitters are usually 2 to 4 liters per hour, assuming 4 liters per hour you could have 180 emitters at absolute maximum (probably less due to friction losses)
With a standard car battery you could probably get 2000 litters out of one charge at 3.5 bar, if you had lower pressure you would get more
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Today's haul.
3 days into the season and im at 25.5 quarts.
At peak season ill be doing 2 dozen quarts a day. My pressure cooker holds 7 quarts so shit gets old pretty fast.
Should hit 300 quarts easy- plants are kicking ass so maybe 400.
We do a large crop so we only have to do green beans every 3-4 years.
Late frost nailed the pear, peach and apple blossoms so we dont have any this year (we still have peach and pear from 2023).
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>>2869731
I see, I have a car battery sitting around too. I will just have to consider weather proofing it in my shitty shed. But I think even I can get something like this together, thanks anon.
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>>2869733
Make to add a fuse close to a positive battery terminal, 2~2.5 current of your pump rated current should be fine, you don't want to start a fire if it shorts somewhere
The 2000 liters figure would be for running pump close to capacity (12 liters/minute) consciously, for low flow you'll have significantly higher loses but you still should get decent amount of water out of it
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>>2869677
Do you not have a mesh filter?
Your emitters might clog up quickly depending on how dirty your water is
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>>2869737
I do, I think. I have the little mesh filters that came with the hose fittings. Is that okay or am I going to need something more fine? Since they’ve come with most hoses I’ve bought I didn’t think to mention that as part of the system.
Also, I got drip emitters so I’m hoping those don’t clog as easily as the spray ones to begin with.
>What’s with spray emitter garden irrigation anyway? Who the fuck wants wet leaves like that?
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Got high 20s-mid 30s C and a lot of the seedlings are struggling. Oh well. Moved my bluberry bush into a shady spot, and I hope my figs, lemon and ume drink up this sun.
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I ripped up a bunch of black cherry seedlings and planted them in pots in full sun. Only the strong deserve life.
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>>2869789
Depending on system you want filtration of 120~200 mesh, those tiny discs are only for large particulates, dedicated filters for irrigation usually look like this, I have 1 inch threaded type to minimize pressure drop
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>>2869846
This is the filter itself before cleaning, as you can see from color it mostly catches rust from pipes
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>>2868736
The rocks came from the soil, but how did you separate them?
>>2869259
You could invest massive labor to sieving the soil. If you have an abundant water supply you could plant comfrey to help producing soil/compost. I've heard daikon radish are the best soil drills.
>>2869330
They're not known for their intelligence... I get the idea they're all descendant from tamed message birds.
>>2869344
Comfrey drinks tons of water.
>>2869625
Pretty kawaii, can you eat it?

No tomatoes or peppers started indoors this year due to my broken ass syndrome. Like many reported winter has been dragging its ass here in southwestern onterrible.
pictured I've got beens, potatoes coming up, mini cantaloupe(take #3), 3 kohlrabi, dope probably to be transplanted or killed. Finally misc tomato seeds from 2021 some are coming up but I have my doubts of anything meaningful.
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The comfrey already thristy even with 1-2 inches of mulch
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Where do yall get your drip irrigation supply from?
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>beens
beans

pictured:
fuck male mulberry trees. LET THERE BE LIGHT
I've got too much "done" to do and little energy to do it.
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If mulch is good, and I'm tryin to make compost , can I just chop all that stuff up and use it as a mulch and compost "in place"? Instead of a bin
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>>2869857
Yes, this technique is called chop and drop
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>>2869857
Yes but it takes more time.
Pile+water=heat.
Heat accelerates micro organism activity.
The Red Forest around Chernobyl has 40 yearold dead fall that haven't decomposed because all micro organisms are dead.
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>>2869715
Either I am stupid or Gardena is, because I can’t find any numbers on how many droppers one of their basic pressure reducers can support. So far I figured it’s at least 15.
>>2869846
That looks suspicious.
>>2869789
> >What’s with spray emitter garden irrigation anyway? Who the fuck wants wet leaves like that?
They’re cheap and easy. Figuring out what sprayer I need and putting it in the middle of the garden was like 20€ and 10 minutes of work.
My drip system is now at about triple the price and its 3rd weekend of installation.
Didn’t have issues with wet leaves but it was emptying my cistern too fast, so I’ll see if drip is better. But I’ve already ordered some tiny sprayers because I need full coverage for some plots where I seeded and such.
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>>2869936
>I need full coverage for some plots where I seeded and such.
that makes perfect sense and pretty much answers my question
>cheap and easy
I took the class where we built the sets for all the plays back in high school and my teacher always made at us look at this triangle diagram: cheap, easy, good. Pick only two. Seems like it was good advice because I’ve been using it ever since. Every time I start with the cheap solution, it ends up being somehow insufficient so I upgrade and end the process having bought both anyway.
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Tl;dr: growing McIntosh apple tree, want advice
>few years ago neighbor cuts down large tree in front yard
>doesn't replace it
>the trees in my neighborhood in the front yards are 30+ years old
>my big tree is on opposite side of years
>I now have room for another tree
>buy McIntosh apple tree and plant it March 6th
>it was about 4 feet tall and no leaves yet (obviously)
>6b
>did not amend local soil because I read that might limit fruit tree
>apple tree has exceeded all expectations
>fully leafed out by now, has put on 8+ inches of branch in several spots
>very proud of tree
>how do I use the rest of the season to take great care of my tree?
>fertilize it? If so, when and with what?
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>>2869946
Don't fertilize any fruit tree its first year. That will only encourage leafy growth that the roots can't support. Just keep it well watered and you're fine. The old adage is "first year they sleep, second year they creep, third year they leap"
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>>2869946
I have a dwarf McIntosh. Just leave it the fuck alone, maybe cage it off from deer.
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>>2869955
How are the fruit? I am autistically obsessed with McIntosh. I don’t eat any other type of apple.
But over the course of the last ten years or so, it’s seemed like the store-bought McIntoshes have been hybridized with something hardier. The flesh is significantly more firm, they loose a lot of the tartness, the skin doesn’t have that “snap” to it, they are quite the right color anymore either.
What’s up with that? Can I avoid that specifically? I just want the fruit I remember
>that’s a fuckin’ nice looking tree anon. Seems like a really good size for a dwarf too
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Labrador demanded access to the garden, which made me nervous at first, but he is very polite and satisfied
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>>2869956
>seems like a really good size for a dwarf
Yeah I am not convinced it was actual dwarf. You can see where I trim to get under it with the mower and I had to use an extra pole on the apple picker to reach the top last year. It’s going on 14 years old now though so it’s well established.
>quality
I cannot and will not eat store apples and even cider from an orchard tastes bland by comparison. Crisp and tart for cooking but sweet enough to sauce and eat whole. I’ve got a Jonathan too and it’s very similar I do recommend.
We bake them into pies, tarts, and gilets, make apple sauce and apple butter. I freeze some, I can some, I dehydrate them.
This year I’m going to buy or build a cider press because of the aforementioned crappy cider experience last year, but the ones I peel for sauce I boil the peels in distilled water and make cherry red apple juice.
I fuckin love em and I hope yours produces well for decades to come.
I did this much five more times last year.
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>>2869964
This is about a month later. They will get huge and redder and juicier. Be patient but it’s a never ending battle with the bees for the best ones.
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>>2869964
>>2869965
Anyway, diy cider press if anyone is interested. Should be easy enough to reverse engineer.
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>>2869962
Wholesome.
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I have lost 14 tomatoes and 6 squash this year so I said fuck it and bought some squash to cheer me up.

>Spaghetti squash
>Butternut
>Some kind of bushy zucchini I guess

Camera angle is awful to keep from showing my neighbor's trash heap.
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>>2869971
We gave up on tomatoes because the tomato worms (sphinx moths) are too voracious and its either use pesticides or lose 2/3 of the crop.
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>>2869972
Had horned tomato worms in my last town but have never had them here. The biggest problem I've had is cabbage moths. The rest of my issues are ear wigs completely stripping new plants and sunflower borers but those are easy to spot.
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>>2869973
It kind of sucks because I like sphinx moths and the horned worms are actually kind of cool.
I even found a pink one one year (not my pic).
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>>2869955
That looks much too large to be a dwarf. Looks closer to a semi-standard
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Today's challenge, finding a full sun spot for tomato hardening where the plants won't get trashed by the 60 km/h wind gusts. After today the plants should be ready to go in the ground.
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>>2869974
They look cool when a wasp has injected them with eggs.
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>>2869975
It was sold as a dwarf but I agree it’s definitely not a dwarf.
It is, however, a decent McIntosh or far closer than anything I can find commercially.
I would very much like to learn how to graft and clone.
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I haphazardly transplanted a flower bush. I cut off most of the stems so the remaining ones could live. It seems to be doing okay, but should I cut off the flowers completely so it spends more energy repairing the root damage I caused?
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>>2869983
>I would very much like to learn how to graft and clone.
Surprisingly easy. Dont use your favorite knife "thats totally sharp enough"- get a razor knife for like doing drywall and replace the blade for every graft. One thing a lot of tutorials dont mention is that you want to do it quickly. Don't cut off your branch to be grafted then start screwing aroind with the root stock and stop for lunch kind of shit.
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>>2869986
Yes.
Always cut off flowers.
Depending on damage to roots it's also sometimes good to reduce leaves.
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>>2869989
Can I leave one stalk of flowers so I get a few seeds for next year?
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>>2869990
You can leave all.of them if you want, sometimes theyll transplant with no issues.
Check multiple.times daily and at the first sign of wilting cut them for the health of the plant.
Its just safer to lose the flowers from the beginning
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>>2869993
When I first moved it last weekend, I realized I severed some of the biggest, farthest-out roots, but I got most of the root mass that had grown downwards. I trimmed off maybe 60% of the stalks at that time.

It has done okay so far, it finished blooming and the seed pods are starting to grow. I still see new leaf growth happening too. The leaves wilt a bit during the daytime heat but perk back up after watering. I just cut off about the top half of every stalk that had flowers on it and some branches that looked a bit spindly.

I really should have waited to move it until the fall after the pods had finished developing, but it was in a dumb spot at the back corner of the house next to the utility boxes and I did zero research before digging it up. If it dies, it dies, but I'll do my best to keep it alive because it's kind of neat.
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>>2869995
False indigo is a champ, it should be fine
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>>2869995
Its really pretty, would be a shame to lose it but if thats its current state then you look good to go.
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>>2870001
That picture is just from Google. It looked like that before I dug it up and pruned it though.

>>2869997
Thanks for the encouragement, I feel like a total chode digging it up before researching how to.
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>>2869995
I had a potted silver maple that I thought dieda long time ago. But one day I saw it had a leaf, so I put it in the ground where I thought it'd be healthier and it was. Then I learned how bad the roots could get, so I cut up it's roots to fit into the biggest planter I could find while it was dormant.

It was doing fine until the recent hot weather. Droopy and crispy leaves. I didn't do proper research on how to stimulate new root growth, so it wasn't get enough water to support itself. I took off 2 feet and pruned off shit branches and moved it to only get morning sun.

It's making a recovery. Some dormant leaf buds are finally opening up this late in the season. If the summer doesn't kill it, I think I'm going to make it into a big ass bonsai.
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>>2870010
Ive tried to do bonsai with full-size trees.
It's difficult because of growth rate and trees just want to be trees.
If you cut the main trunk out of the top of a healthy tree it will focus its energy on making a replacement trunk out of the nearest branch/node.
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>>2869976
I just piled up a few bags of my mulch on the wind side of the plants, such that it didn’t block the sun on them. I think I used my wheelbarrow and big watering can for the same purpose once too. You don’t need to build a specific windbreak to break up the wind.
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>>2869972
>>2869974
I’ve had great luck with beneficial nematodes to combat worms and moth larvae of all kinds. I only applied twice, first spring significantly reduced moth population. Very manageable. Second spring application, almost zero that entire season.
You can apply them much more often than that, though. Over the course of this season, you could potentially obliterate them enough to try growing next year. I mean, obviously wouldn’t suggest just going all in, but maybe it’d be worth a shot if you miss the tomatoes enough!
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Largest one so far
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>>2870125
400grams of juiciness
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>>2870125
>>2870126
That looks incredibly tasty
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>>2870126
Wow.
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I'm gonna build my own composting heaps. I was thinking of making several smaller ones rather than one huge one, so that I'm not adding new compost onto a mature heap, so I'll get faster yields.

However, is there a minimum size for a compost heap? The larger the heap, the better it would insulate heat, I assume. I was hoping three 2'x2'x2' foot cubes would be large enough but I'm doubtful
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I want to build this type of overwintering plant shelter but I cannot for the life of me remember what they are called. What are these?
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>>2870192
Cold frame
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Acquiring a pawpaw seedling later today. I’m in central Indiana. Any tips on planting and caring for this sucker? I don’t expect to have the best tree ever but I’d like it to live. Where do they like to be planted in general or where have you had success?
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>>2870193
Yes, thank you.
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>>2870199
They like the soil to stay a bit more moist, and they tend to stay small for a couple of years before they try to put on any real vertical growth. In other words, they like to hide in a low-stress shady spot behind a bush or something and only emerge to get real sunlight later.
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>>2870189
Yeah smaller heap = less heat = slower. Unless you insulate the heap, I've seen this done with building insulation between boards or by doing it in a broken fridge.
Usually people say you want 1m/3.5ft on an edge to get a properly heated heap when not insulated, although thinking about it it probably depends on your ambient temps
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My dog broke a branch off the lilac the other day. I cut it with a box knife and spit on it then stuck it in the ground. Now I have new lilac.
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>>2870199
You need two to make fruit. They prefer a little shade when they're young but love full sun for fruit production, so plant it in full sun but give it a shade cloth. gl neighbor
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>>2870204
Thanks anon, that gives me some really good ideas for location
>>2870207
They were pretty cheap so I contacted the seller and ended up getting 3. They’re sprouts from wild seeds so this’ll be a long process but that’s the fun part about trees.
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>>2870208
>this’ll be a long process
I started about a dozen Burr Oaks from acorns.
Theyre doing well (last year I laminated a leaf from one that was about 12" long) but ill be long dead before they reach their majestic potential.
I hioe that 300 years from now one of them is still standing with a 10 foot diameter trunk.
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I turned two of my compost piles and started third with grass clippings and old brows I had laying around
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>>2870210
Oldest pile is pretty close to being done, most woodchips and large fragments crumble when squeezed, I'll probably use it this autumn on my main field
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>>2870211
Found a lot of sizable grubs
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Sweet potato I planted early March to make slips is already growing decent tubers despite being in small 2 liter pot, I replanted most of my sweet potatoes today

>>2869936
>I can’t find any numbers on how many droppers one of their basic pressure reducers can support
That's weird, the stuff I buy always comes has a .pdf with a tables for numbers of drippers for given pressure

>That looks suspicious
It is, I was to lazy to redo the entire thing so I just lazily cut into existing pipe and put filer in, it works so far
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Blueberries are setting a lot of fruit this year, maybe I'll have enough to make jam

>>2869966
Very nice, I would buy one myself for making cider if I had more apple trees
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>>2870189
I wouldn't recommend this, you need at least 3 foot for decent heat unless you plan on cold composting then it doesn't really matter that much

Mine are 129 cm x 125 cm x 120 cm because I used old flooring panels to build them, I would make them a bit smaller if I was building clean sheet, maybe 115 cm deep for easier access
I usually fill close to two full bins in a year after they settle

>>2870199
I have two in partial shade and they are still alive for 2nd season but they are still tiny, I read you are supposed to shade them when they are small but I'm not sure if shading them is actually causing them to grow so slowly
They do get drip irrigation so water is not the problem
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>>2870209
>I hioe that 300 years from now one of them is still standing with a 10 foot diameter trunk
I know that feel. Also, the reverse. I live in a suburb with a pretty big lawn and established trees in the neighborhood. Was built in the 70s or so and some of the houses still have the original trees in the front yard, mine included. Bigass Freeman’s Maple. Looks real cool in the fall
But anyway the trees are absolutely massive and I think about the guys who planted them and families who moved in and people who saw it early and thought “wow that’s gonna be awesome when it grows out”. Whenever I look at that sucker I think “shit, guy who planted it might be dead now. Probably, even.”
Nobody can really own trees but we can steward them and that’s chill enough for me.
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>>2870212
Gotta protect those baby beetles.
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>>2870210
>>2870211
>>2870219
I would love to start a compost pile, but every time I start thinking about it, I remember I can get one pickup bed full of compost from my city per day for free

Is there still a good reason to have a real big compost bin at my house?
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>>2870221
There used to be large, old trees all over my town. Most were 40 to 50 years old, planted when housing developments went up. Trees in my parents' yard planted when I was a child that were 50 feet tall.

But I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and when the 2020 derecho hit, 60% of all trees across the entire city were destroyed. In localized areas, especially uptown Marion, it was more like 90% of all trees. Every single homeowner I knew that had trees lost most of them, often falling on/through their house. My parents had a tree crush their bathroom, my in-laws lost their entire roof to a tree. I saw one house that had the second story ripped off.

Lots of arboreal memories lost, but also lots of people got brand new roofs and decks for free.
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Have you guys ever grown carosellos instead of cucumber? Good or bad idea? There's like one person on the entire internet who talks about them and I'm very close to convinced.
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Ordered 20 bare root strawberries and got them yesterday. After one day, 19 of them are showing signs of life and already sprouting leaves. I didn't plan to have this many, I expected half of them to be dead. I'm also trying to germinate some herbs under another light.

So I don't have enough lights or shelf space to move the strawberries to bigger pots, unless I empty out a wire shelf in the garage and use regular Daylight LED bulbs. But if I use this shelf I'll probably want to fill it out with more plants and grow lights. This shit is a slippery slope.
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>>2870260
You could always just sell the extra strawberries on Facebook marketplace or some dumb shit. I see people making ads for (and selling out of) mundane ass garden plants for $3-$10 a piece even in this economy somehow. Towards that ten dollar end they’re usually a more interesting cultivar than the standard you’d find but still.
>but my strawberries are totally plain starts. Will somebody actually drive to my house to pay four dollars for each one when they could get them for $2 at Walmart with the rest of their items?
Yes they will. People are retarded. Try not to think too much about that part and recoup a little of your order cost lol
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These bastards keep appearing every morning. They're not harmful but they creep me out
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>>2870280
They look like ink caps? Maybe used a bit too much chicken shit in your dirt?
I get them all the time on the shit pile they’re harmless.
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>>2870246
Do it!
You can control what goes into you soil and it’s fun.
Pic related after cleaning out all the bins. My issue is too much nitrogen because of chickens and I have to let that shit sit for a while before use or I’ll burn my plants.
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>>2870283
Oh I don't make my own soil yet, this one is from some old pots dirt mixed with potting soil. Yeah Grok says they're ink caps
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>>2870285
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>>2870284
Not that anon but I’m a little confused here. If you let the compost sit because it’s too rich to get a little thinner, why not instead amend the soil with a lower concentration of the compost as it is now? Wouldn’t it go farther as fertilizer that way?
I’m sure there’s a reason- just trying to understand.
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>>2870287
I have more than I can handle. My chickens produce a lot of shit and it already gets amended.
I finally have them in a proper area so it should be easier moving forward but it’s a Herculean task keeping up with everything honestly. I’ve been depressed. Trying to literally dig myself out of it.
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>>2870285
You’ll get there anon.
I started with a 10x 10 garden in the yard and a 3x3 compost bin.
I have 36 3ftx10ft beds now, 45 containers five gallon bucket size or larger. A small hoop house, a chicken coop and run. And a 20x10ft herb garden.
I’m still depressed >>2870290
but that’s just because my mom died and I got fired. I’m hoping this year I can start selling excess at the farmers market but I’m crippled by fear of failure. Watched a lot of shit I put years and years of effort into fall to crap over the last few years and it’s pretty demoralizing.
>Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfnm9gV52w
I’m here.
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>>2870246
My compost pile isn't particularly huge but it's definitely made a noticeable dent in how often I have to take the kitchen trash out
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Cooking nicely after turning, let's see if I can hit 70 C again

>>2870246
Do you have a space you aren't using for anything?
I put mine behind North wall under large trees where nothing useful would grow anyways so I'm not trading growing space for composting space

>>2870287
You can do that, I tilled in unfinished compost in Autumn after plants were done several times already and it works out great because it has half a year until next growing season to finish in soil
Doing that over live plants is risky though, you might burn them even if it seems you didn't add that much
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>>2870285
Fuck Grok
These are Parasola plicatilis
They pop up in the morning and disintegrate by noon
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>>2870285
>Grok says
Claude says they're Leucocoprinus
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>>2870304
There's a reason the gauge is red there. Beneficial microbes will be killed off if it's too hot
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>>2870279
I live in a neighboorhood/sub5k city with no HOA. My neighbor and his wife down the street are retired and they're doing that. Every inch of their lawn is covered in potted plants and driveway is full of bags of compost, soil, and fertlizer.

Internet says 5-10 strawberry plants per person is a good amount. If it turns out to be to much for me and my wife I'll just give some away to family. I'd probably make more money making custom wood planters. I probably should make some for my neighbor to make his lawn look better and in turn he can advertise my planters to his customers. BUT I'm still in college and don't got time for that.
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>>2870307
>Beneficial microbes will be killed
So will pathogens and weed seeds.
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>>2870310
>I live in a neighboorhood/sub5k city with no HOA.
Lmao as a suburbfag I stereotypically forget that not everyone else is. Oops
I will say that I see people making a fucking killing on those custom planters. That’s a great idea if you ever get around to it.
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>>2870285
When I first looked at the thumbnail I thought that was Pikachu.
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>>2870313
It doesn't need to be 70C for that
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I'm this anon>>2869259
My buckwheat is not taking off and it's been 6 days now, only three sprouted and a single one is healthy and growing. If it doesnt sprout by wed I'll sow some more and water it more
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>>2870352
I'm >>2869357. Some of my clover didn't sprout either. So I sprinkled seeds on the bare spots and covered them in a light layer of compost, and that got them sprouting a lot quicker.

Internet says you can do the same with buckwheat. 1/4" - 1/2" layer of compost ontop. Also it hold water better.
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>>2870287
>with a lower concentration
If you dig up your soil and mix in your chicken poop with a specific ratio and mix it COMPLETELY by mechanical means then reapply to your field/bed- ya sure.
But what really happens is you take a wheel barrow full of "the hot stuff" and sprinkle it around the garden then rototiller it in and then you plant your shit and 50% goes off-the-fucking-chain berserk, 25% is normal-ish and the other 25% is yellow and production sucks ass.

>t. Hobby farmer that averages 400 chickens at any point in the year, has a pile of chicken shit on the yard bigger than your car and spent 7 hours today canning green beans (pic related).
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>>2870365
>Some of my clover didn't sprout either.
I love my clover but it grows so crazy here that I have to pull it so it doesnt choke out my other shit.

Here's some snapdragons I grew from seed this year from some awesome plants that ran for TWO+ FRIGGIN YEARS and were even encased in snow WHILE BLOOMING- and still continued to bloom amd seeded out.

I was afraid the seeds would do like morning glory and resort to tje dominant gene (big blue) but I habe all the colors again this years so thats fucking awesome.
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>>2870366
ayo dis nigga eatin grean beans LMAO
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>>2870392
>mfw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4lXh8bvrc&ra=m
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soon
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>FaceTime with grandma
>show her garden because it’s that time of year and what I do
>”oh my goodness anon, what a gift you have! I know you’re knowledgeable but your plants grow so special”
>I mean, my plants are good
>not that good heh
>love my grandma, though
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Haskap is finally ripe, alongside strawberry and asparagus those are the earliest perennials I have

>>2870307
Yeah but I'm not going to redo the entire pile just because it's getting a bit too hot
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Blackberries in full bloom
Navaho is amazing but Black satin died for some reason, I'll plant new one in late Summer
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My partial to full shade experiment is going quite well, while haskaps are meh in full shade, very few berries; gooseberries are amazing, a lot of fruits despite full shading which makes sense, gooseberries and currants naturally grow in understory
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More lupine
Unfortunately yellow lupine appears to be dead
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Nanners on sandy loam.
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Misc of fruit trees and american pine trees, can't plan now, rains stopped.
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More fruit trees.
Guavas, cashews, ice cream beans, so forth.
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I've just read in a book today, about posts like >>2870448
except with a tension wire drawn between them, at the top and bottom 1 ft above the ground, then netting between the wires. Around here everybody makes supports by lashing together bamboo poles but I'm thinking this is a nice way of doing things, for easier harvest of beans for instance, and as a more permanent installation you don't have to rebuild every year, and also to increase plant density because you don't need a pole for every single plant.
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>>2870450
Are those annuals? I have a perennial white one which comes back every year and deadheading them doesnt seems to trigger reblooming
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>>2870460
Do you have any pineapples too?
I'm really curious how they are grown

>>2870462
It's netting for veggies I bought really cheap but It's not as durable as I would like, I have a few snapped wires after a year
I would recommend some kind wire fence for permanent installation instead, those are far more durable
It works very well, I can wave stems in and out or simply attached them to netting with a clip

>>2870464
Lupine is a perennial, it grows quite large tubers underground
I have never had mine flower twice
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>>2870467
Bit hard to tell from the photo, is it the kind that's made from a woven plastic cord? Or the flat single stranded plastic?
There's chicken wire too but it does seem to rust after a while. Though this hasn't caused me any problems yet on smaller frames.
I've seen people use just horizontal lines of string, in that style I think the kind of plastic cord used for washing lines should last a good while.
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>>2870467
Nta but I have pineapples.
Started them from cuttings a couple years ago (tops of pineapples i used for a ham).
I have to put them in the greenhouse every year because it freezes here.
Im going to repot them this year. They might produce fruit this year or next.
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>>2870446
>redo the entire pile
I wasn't suggesting that, was just making a simple comment

>>2870448
I ripped out my Black Satin plants. No matter how ripe the berries got, they would be incredibly sour and acidic like stomach acid. I grow Prime Ark Freedom and Columbia Giant now. The Giants are the best tasting blackberry I've ever had, only problem is the canes aren't super hardy
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>>2870467
>Do you have any pineapples too?
Yes.
>I'm really curious how they are grown
All the ones I have I bought from the supermarket, then you take the "crown" off with a small piece of the apple, 1 finger, dip it in a container with water up to the beginning of the crown and wait for it to create several small white roots, should take a couple of days, then you plant it, when after 2 years you harvest it again, and sometimes, I took a picture now how to exemplify it better, one pineapple you plant can sprout several others, all you have to do is repeat the process but without having to dip it in water, just pick up the "new crowns" that sprout and plant it, it will get you a new pineapple in two years, just keep repeating the process.
Right where I am pointing you can see it exemplified, but I am being lazy and not picking up the new crowns and planting it separately, I just let them fall on the ground and create roots by themselves in place instead of choosing a better spot.
I have been really addicted into making honey bee traps and digging and setting up houses for them, because many flowers from fruit trees I have are not frutifying so I inculcated the idea I am missing pollinators so I started going after bees, I already captured 8 bee swarms.
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Some that are almost 2 years old, almost producing.
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One of my tiny paw paws, planted them last year and while they didn't grow much at least they survived winter

>>2870469
It's some sort of cheap heat fused single strand plastic, I initially bought it for annual cucumber netting but I had a lot left over so I used it in other places too, It'll probably last a year or two before I need to replace it

>chicken wire
Chicken wire has sharp edges, it would be easy to cut yourself on it when walking nearby unless you secure them with a frame or something but other than that it would probably last a long time

>>2870481
Black Satin wasn't that good from my memory, maybe I should get something else
After checking no one sells Columbia Giant here but I can see Prime Ark Freedom, I could try that instead

>>2870536
>>2870537
>>2870472
Cool, thank you, I'll try growing one in a pot when I find a pineapple with intact crown in a store

>I already captured 8 bee swarms.
Nice, I would like to keep bees myself but I'm afraid my neighbours would chimp out if they found out, last time I burned excess wood they threatened to call police on me as it is technically illegal even if everyone does it anyways
It's mostly out of curiosity, there is enough wild bees around here to keep everything pollinated so I don't really need them
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I walked around tasting my various haskap bushes
My ratings:
Boreal beast, Boreal blizzard, Blue banana, Blue treasure, Borealis, Aurora, Giant's Heart and Strawberry sensation all very good, definitely worth planting
Tundra, Wojtek, Indigo, Boreal Beauty, Czelabinka, Leningradskij Velikan as good, much more tart and less sweet but still tasty
Duet, Jugana, Zielona - meh, very tart and slightly bitter, wouldn't recommend those

For my favorite I can't quite decide between Blue treasure, Boreal blizzard and Blue banana, they are all excellent

Keep in mind some of those were only planted last year and are fruiting for the first time and some I have only one bush of so subjective taste might vary from local conditions
I have a few more cultivars but they didn't yield enough to test them yet
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>>2870560
They look like java plums.
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For me it’s Broc
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>have avocado tree indoors for weeks
>it's perked right up and growing new leaves
>add extra time to grow light to mimic summer day time hours
>indoor avocado tree starts drooping
>water is good
>soil is good
>roots not rotting

>do some research into DLI and PPFD
>some trees need a longer darkness period
>even ambient light can stress them out
>especially young trees meant to grow in partial shade of mature trees

I'm just glad I can just slap on a regular piece of paper onto my phone camera to measure PPFD.
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>>2870461
God, I wish I'd live in the subtropics. This is so cool.



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