We can argue about which country has the best mountains but deep down in our hearts we all know it's Switzerland and people only say otherwise cause it's expensive as fuck
>>2870669Switzerland is beautiful and the Alps are one of the best mountain ranges on earth, you'll hear no argument from me there. The problem is, those mountains are for the most part bare, or solely coniferous.There's really no beating the White Mountains of New Hampshire in the autumn.
finland has a mountainof sorts
>>2870669What makes a mountain "the best"? Scenery is nice but I play in the mountains for wilderness not scenery.
>>2870669Norway or Switzerland for a 1 week hut hiking holiday with my gf?
>>2870682Ngl, autumns look beautiful in temperate forests
>>2870682>>2870692Fall in temperate forests is wildly over rated. Temperate Springs are paradise on earth and don't get the recognition they deserve.t. former east coaster
>>2870693>don't get the recognition they deserve.I don't think so. I would say spring is the only season with cult following. And it's pretty reasonable because imo spring has the best weather but autumn is the most aesthetic.
>>2870692>>2870709I've seen too many horror movies taking place in fall to be at ease during the fall in the woods.
>>2870682>There's really no beating the White Mountains of New Hampshire in the autumn.Sure there is. Rockies anytime of the year beat the White Hills of New Hampshire
>>2870727Well, one of my scariest descends happened here so I guess there's a grain of truth in this
>>2870728He spoke the truth but there's gonna be a lot of east cope from this post.
>>2870669the same mountains also overlap france, germany, and austriaand you chose to deal with the swiss???fuck that
>>2870669The Alps look nice but they are way too developed. Practically a theme park. Many places are better.My favorite ranges are the Coast Ranges up through BC and AK. Pure wilderness.
>>2870728There's like two tree species over there and shit tons of posted hunting preserves everywhere that you can't see on Google maps. East coast is real nature and you can go anywhere and do anything you want. West coasters have no Bushcraft skills because there are almost no natural resources and any place you can possibly drive to is heavily monitored land or private property. The greatest state in the country is Vermont.
>>2870842>West coasters have no Bushcraft skills because there are almost no natural resources and any place you can possibly drive to is heavily monitored land or private property.lmao what? The west coast and way, way more public land than the east coast. Have you ever actually been to the west coast?
>>2870849Yes, and that's how I know that what you're saying is a myth. Northern New England is nothing but public land. You can walk into any woods you see, make fires, do target practice, even cut trees down and make a fort. In my experience, I couldn't maintain that kind of lifestyle when I lived out West. All the land within a reasonable driving distance of where I worked either ended up being private when I showed up, was inaccessible, had weird laws, etc. It really sucked and I had a bad time, moved back to New England within 4 months. I'm sure there's good country out West, but not within day trip distance of any place you can actually live or work. Out is a lifestyle for me and not something I just do on vacations so I need good public land in my backyard.
>>2870842>screeching reeeeliterally none of this is true. Are you retarded? my local national forest is half the size of vermont. My state has public land equaling 5x the size of the entire state of vermont. lol>You can walk into any woods you see, make fires, do target practice, even cut trees down and make a fort.Which you can do in any NF of which there is vastly more of in the West>East coast is real naturelol. Without an apex predator llike griz, wolves or lions...it aint real nature. I have all those on my prperty>I'm sure there's good country out West, but not within day trip distance of any place you can actually live or workAre the retard who lived in grand junction and complained about forest service roads being to rough for your car? lol. This such an ignorant opinion thats not true in the slighest.
>>2870825>not mentioning Italy
>>2870693Eh. I don't like the light green of the leaves, I prefer when they darken. Plus spring stinks, whereas fall smells delicious, and there are many more bugs in spring than there are in the fall. As an added bonus, the undergrowth clears out massively in fall, whereas springs up massively in... spring. Makes off-trail wandering very annoying and the ticks, bleh.
>>2870669I moved to Switzerland from Canada a few years ago. The views are stunning, but the downside is I've found it's much more difficult to get that feeling of remoteness here and it's something I miss.Like along that Augstmatthorn to Harderklum ridge in your photo, you can see Interlaken most of the way there, along with little huts and farms and cows all along the other side of the ridge. Even doing multi-day alpine pass hikes, after a full day of slogging up the mountain you're usually met with a staffed, full-service hut at the top. The hot meal is nice but it kind of feels like you've spent the whole day trying to get away from civilization just to be met with civilization at the top.Plus you have to deal with the fucking Swiss every day you are here.
>>2870825>>2871246What's wrong with the Swiss?Sorry but I'm not familiar with this country.
>>2871251You know how when old people retire and run out of real problems to worry about in their daily lives, they start to invent things to obsess over and be upset about instead? Like staring out their windows all day and calling bylaw on anyone who parks on their street for 1 minute longer than they're allowed to? That is the essence of Swiss culture. The entire country feels like you are living in a spiteful retirement community or an HOA.I have genuinely never met such a miserable group of people anywhere else I have travelled in the world. They are completely intolerant of the most basic physical and social existence of other people around them. We have had our neighbors bang on our door and threaten to call the police on us for taking a shower past 10:00 PM. This is not an uncommon occurrence here.Obviously there are good people individually but as a generalization the Swiss are just incredibly unfriendly, arrogant, self-interested, and rude. We live in the French-speaking side of the country and my wife has had multiple French coworkers move back to France explicitly because they couldn't handle how rude and obnoxious the Swiss are. Do you know how bad it has to be for the FRENCH to find you too rude and arrogant to deal with?We are planning to move back soon too for the same reason. The nature and salaries are genuinely not worth the misery of dealing with Swiss culture.
>>2870693>Temperate Springs are paradise on earthThis. April to June with all that fresh green and emerging plant life is just the best time ever. Cool but not cold, warm but not hot.
>>2871261Lol what the fuck
>>2870669if you like Switzerland so much why haven't you installed extraflags yet?t. went to the Alvier range last year and will return soon
>>2870682The average ski lodge altitude in the alps is around 5,000 feet.Thats the altitude of Denver Colorado.Las Vegas is at about 2,000 feet elevation.Lee Canyon ski resort (lodge) is at about 8,500 feet and the peak of the mountain (Mt. Charleston) is at 12,000 feet.Its a 45 minute drive from downtown Las Vegas to Lee Canyon ski lodge.Unrelated pic of Donner Pass (yes, THAT Donner) outside of Lake Tahoe in the Sierra Nevada mountains, California.
>>2871482Mountains in Colorado aren't that high from base to peak because the base is way higher than in Switzerland
>>2871489So if I jump over to Mt. McKinley whats going to be your next cope?
>>2871501Then I'm gonna call it Denali
>>2871502Then why are you speaking english and using computers and the internet Surely someone who hates white people as much as you wouldnt be this much pf a hypocrite
>>2871503Where did I say I hate white people? I'm not calling European peaks their Native American names. I'm calling a mountain in a part of America that doesn't even have white inhabitants its Native American name.
>>2871505What's the Nepalese or Chinese name for Mt. Everest?
>>2871506Tibetan name is Chomolungma but I can never remember the Nepalese name
>>2871261They truly are miserable annoying cocksuckers. It's a very scenic place as you said but it isn't worth living there, and you're right that compared to Canada there is little sense of remoteness. Geneva and Zurich might also be the worst cities I've ever been to.
>>2871505Then you should be speaking a Native American dialect wrong name by the way, the tribes have names none of which are "native american", you racistif you care so very much about local language, you should be speaking onebut you don't, because you're just a champagne liberal hypocrite and we can all see it as plain as day
It is India, Nepal or America, If you pick Switzerland its obvious you dont belong on this board because you dont hike or go outside, you just read instagram like a slave retard faggot. you should delete this thread if you have any self respect at all.
>>2871514>champagne liberalThe point of being a champagne socialist is that you masquerade as someone wanting change but doing nothing because it would affect your own status, what the fuck does "pretending to not want serious change but doing nothing" entail? Being a liberal already involves champagne, I've never heard anyone splice that phrasing so awkwardly
>>2871526If it's blowing your mind this hard, you can just pretend I called you a retarded faggot and address the rest of the post.
>>2871536He was being a contrarian douche.He has no desire to have a legitimate conversation.
>>2871519>you dont hike or go outsideDude, I summited a 2500 m mountain in trainers with just 0.5 l of water in my backpack
>>2871540>with just 0.5 l of waterYa but....how much meth?
>>2871503Denali is simply a better name. It sounds cool."McKinley" is shit. Who gives a fuck about some random president.
>>2871575I much prefer McKinley. He is a great example of American exceptionalism, which is what made this country great. If it weren't for McKinley, we wouldn't have Alaska. If it weren't for men like McKinley, we wouldn't have America.
>>2871575Ill bet Gulf of America made you cry
>>2871593It made me laugh desu
>>2871577>If it weren't for McKinley, we wouldn't have AlaskaImagine being this fucking retarded. McKinley had nothing to do with the aquisition of Alaska and never stepped foot in the state. Why are you so fucking stupid?
>>2871577wrong>>2871593Gulf of America vs Gulf of Mexico makes no difference to me, both names suck
Since we went on a tangent of "what natives called it"....Orcas are also called "killer whales".Thats actually a mistranslation from a guide when the natives were asked what they called it.The proper translation is "whale killer".Weird how it makes so much more sense now....
>>2871510So far I've lived in Zurich, Bern, and Lausanne, and worked in Geneva for a year. Bern is easily the best city of all of them, things seem a little more laid back there and you are close to the good mountains. Lausanne is hands-down the worst. The most recent reason we have been reported to building management was because we own a dog and another tenant recently found three (3) dog hairs on the floor of our shared laundry room. They showed me the picture they took of the "mess" we made and I genuinely could not understand what the fuck they were upset about until they zoomed in. I didn't expect anything to come of it, but we got an email from our landlord yesterday saying we now need to vacuum the laundry room after every time we use it because of the complaints. Counting down the days until we can leave.
>>2871888Different neighbour than the one who threatened to call the police over us taking a shower btw. It's a beautiful place to visit for a week or so to get some hiking or skiing in, but you could get pretty much the same experience in France, Italy, or Austria for significantly cheaper and without the miserable people.
>>2871261>>2871343>>2871888can confirm on the swiss, everything anon said is true if not worsealso they have this weird zeal about things, the dumbest and more insignificant the thing the grater the zealand the french arn't that rude, it's an american misconception because most of them can't observe basic politeness
