>americans have to pay to hunt and fish for sustenance >have to wait for permission to hunt on public land>have arbitrary limits and restrictions placed on hunting >has a literal hunting/fishing police force to tell you what you can and can't do>can't hunt wild animals in their own backyard or neighborhood (even with bows)Holy fuck. Are you guys OK over there? Even 3rd worlders live better than this.
>>2871799Cope
Are people actually following those rules though? I don't hunt but the rules seem absurdly convoluted and I assume most just hunt whatever they can find and try not to get caught.
>>2871798In every single third world shithole I've been to (Greece, Brazil, Turkey, China, Morocco, Egypt South Africa and India) the nature is filled to the brim with plastic and "people" can't even comprehend why it's bad to destroy nature. The chain of thought is basically : nature is something I can scam (litter and steal from) without repercussions so why not ? It's sad cause a lot of countries in the list have potential for being beautiful but they are just landfills
>>2871819>greeceLol
>>2871819Neither Greece nor Turkey are third world. You don't understand the definition, not in the colloquial (but incorrect sense) nor in the true sense. You're just straight up retarded.
>>2871798if you actually traveled out more then you'll truly appreciate the wildlife of USA and Canadaonly places that are comparable is the Nordic nations because it's desolate and they care about nature just like we do
>>2871798Hold on, brownoids think you should just be able to kill any wild animals you want to at anytime? Ending colonization was a mistake.
>>2871853Yes, and they're poaching in the US now. Game populations are being decimated. The new environmentalist meta is not limiting CO2 emissions, it's a US population of 50 million, 95% White by 2100.
>>2871809there is very little poaching in the US except for injuns and deep in the woods homesteaders. this is mainly because sportsman understand that the seasons are designed to keep the game populations healthy. the laws followed what people were already doing, its not arbitary.
>>2871856>sportsman understandSpics don't.
>>2871840>>2871841lmao cope you fuckers as I said I've been there, it's poor af, dirty, roads are fucked, buildings unfinished everywhere. I literally had 10yo kids beg for me to give the coin form the cart in front of supermarkets in Greece multiple times. I spent 6 months there in a camping car, I've literally been everywhere in this country's mainland. Literal 3rd world country.
>>2871858Uh but they, like, philosophized 2000 years ago so...
>>2871798>3rd worlders live better than thiswrong board>>>/b/
>>2871798>>can't hunt wild animals in their own backyard or neighborhood (even with bows)this is not true in rural areas. Half of the elk harvested in Montana each year (~14,000) is done so on private land...and my fishing licence costs $5...and the ALL the money from hunting licenses goes to conservation/habitat restoration...
>>2871798yeah it totally sucks
>>2871798>Americans have to pay to huntA license in my state is $25. A fishing license is $5. Fishing is better for bulk harvesting if it really is a sustenance issue.>Have to wait for permission to hunt on public landNot where I live. The map is public. Some places are open year round for everything. Some places are leased private for turkey season specifically for example.>Arbitrary limits and restrictionsThose aren’t arbitrary (except in a few blue states). It’s usually decided by biologists who take population surveys.>Has a literal hunting/fishing police forceYes. This is good. The downside is having a bunch of cops with absolutely nothing to do so they become de facto safety patrollers issuing tickets for life jackets and shit. The upside is faggots that poach going to jail. I’ll make that trade every fucking time.>Cant hunt in your backyardReally depends on what your house is zoned for. I’ve shot deer off my back porch before.>3rd worlders live better than thisMy wife is from the 3rd world. They fish with dynamite and blow up the whole reef. I’ll take a hard pass.>>2871809>Are people following the rulesMostly. Most “poaching” I’ve seen would be shit like>Stepping on a fish tail if it’s just below the length requirement>Punching extra tagsMom buys a tag and dad shoots the deer for her type of shit>Rifle during muzzleloader season>Shooting animals on the wrong side of the fence line>All kinds of baiting shenanigansMost people don’t care so much about those. It’s taking more than your limit, spotlighting, hunting out of season, sitting someone else’s stand, etc. that are going to get the warden after you.
>>2871798It's to cut down on overhunting or fishing and to preserve the ecosystems but also since stop homeless or poor people from getting food where they shouldnt.
>>2871798>>americans have to pay to hunt and fish for sustenance Even shitholes like Brazil have hunting and fishing licenses and many states offer deeply discounted or free licenses for people who are either poor or in the middle of nowhere. Resident tags tend to also be incredibly cheap.>>have to wait for permission to hunt on public landDepends on what you're hunting and where.>>have arbitrary limits and restrictions placed on hunting And when those restrictions didn't exist several species were driven extinct, extirpated locally, or driven to the verge of extinction. I don't get to hunt buffalo or passenger pigeons or go see colonies of Carolina Parakeets in the wild because my forebears assumed that god wouldn't let animals go extinct and weren't overly concerned about it in any case.>>has a literal hunting/fishing police force to tell you what you can and can't doEven sub-saharan Africa has forest jannies.>>can't hunt wild animals in their own backyard or neighborhood (even with bows)Depends entirely on context. I know several people whose preferred method of hunting was to just sit on their porch with a rifle and wait for an elk to cross their front yard.>>2871809>Are people actually following those rules though?For the most part, yeah.>I don't hunt but the rules seem absurdly convolutedThey're really not, though it varies from place to place. For game animals the rules are basic restrictions on time and place and method of take plus a handful of blanket rules and definitions. For fish it's mostly just how many you can keep, restrictions on length and whether you can use bait or you have to use artificial lures. These rules vary wildly from state to state.>and I assume most just hunt whatever they can find and try not to get caught.Lolno. Poaching like you're thinking of is almost the entirely the province of indians and shitheel rednecks and most hunters take pride in following fair-chase rules for taking big game.
>>2871853Yup, the concept of conservation is completely alien to their 70 IQ minds.
>>2871798>You have to pay $26 for a fishing license to help conservation efforts so future generations can enjoy it too>The West has fallen
America /out/ has creatures. You go to Europe and you don't see anything larger than a squirrel
>>2871798There are limitations on hunting and fishing because if there weren't, then subhumans like you would kill fucking everything and leave nothing for anyone else (probably while dumping trash into the water).
>>2871853>>2872706The earth has far far more materials than you have been led to believe. Do not believe the (((lies))) about conservation. Under and Overpopulation are myths.
>>2872743The relevant research is public, you can read and evaluate it yourself.
>>2871798The problem with having natural resources is that they must be managed, or no one will be able to enjoy them. Sorry/ Not Sorry about our lack of Utopian ideals; you may now leave to go build your own. As you've noticed, we're not averse to occasional sharing but will not be dictated to or taken advantage of, and we have the means to enforce that.
>>2871853Yes, they are absolutely fucking up the salmon population here in Alaska.
I live in the south east with several hunters and fishermen, they all make the same complaints as OP and want to treat the wilds like the way third worlders treat their homes. Its awful, seeing them willingly dumping toxic shit into the rivers, leaving kills everywhere if they arent with regulation, making buddy buddy with cops to let them get away with shit. They deny any enviromental science you bring up to them to explain why this shit is bad as liberal propaganda to kill off the southern population and replace us all with northerners. >>2872272>>2871917these two have the best breakdown, but those who refuse to hear it will never listen.
>>2873615Thats the downside of all the global warming and covid hysteria and nonstop propaganda lies coming from the fake science industry everything they say is a lie. Now anyone with a brain questions are these fishing regulations legit or just a money grab or way to make it so native Americans get to harvest 100% of the fish and wipe them out do they will get a $ billion grant to restore them.
>>2873672>everything they say is a lie.imagine being this far gone
>>2873676that grift is over man, they are just stepping it down slowly to save face.
>>2873682>2+2=4 is a lie!!!
>>2873736>state department money has been turned off>still shilling
>>2873743>chicken tendies have run out>still alone and coping
>>2873744>has no argument, keeps screaming "no U Dum!!1111"lol.
>>2873745>too stupid to understand>doubles down on retardation as copelol
>>2873751>too stupid to understand>doubles down on retardation as copelol
I love my area of Appalachia. I bought 10 acres with a 2,000 sq foot house at a very reasonable price. My property is in an area that is mostly national forest and for that reason is very lightly populated. A 200 acre state wildlife sanctuary borders my western property line. Appalachia has a moderate climate, lush vegetation, abundant sunshine and rainfall. We have strong storms that bring heavy rain that quickly pass leading to sunny days. These strong passing storms provide us ample rain while allowing a high percentage of sun during the day. Portions of Appalachia are designated as temperate rain forest.Appalachia has a tremendous amount of freshwater streams and rivers enabling an abundance of fish and wildlife, including large game such as white tail deer, feral pigs and black bears.Appalachia also has a rugged, independent, even rebellious population. Appalachia's rugged terrain, moderate climate, abundant fresh water and game make it a perfect area for the guerrilla war fighter.There are many reasons that US Army Green Berets and Rangers retire to Appalachia. It is a place that calls people steeped in guerrilla warfare home.Picrel is my horse grazing in a sunlit pasture next to an Appalachian mountain lake 900 feet from his barn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo
>>2871917>My wife is from the 3rd world.Embarrassing
The conservation system works pretty well a lot of the time, it's usually when people think it's a good idea to reintroduce an apex predator like wolves that we start having problems develop since humans already supplanted that management role.
>live in shitfuck state>license is 65 bucks now + tags >season is retardedly small for most anything>bow has longest season, everything else gets fucked>suppressors are banned ca sucks man... on the topic of hunting, been watching these vids from germany, so cool.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMWeDwsKiRc
Maybe if some new planet gets terraformed there will be so much wildlife hunting and fishing will be no problem for a long while. Not in my lifetime though.
>>2875552Not really. White women are fucking cunts.
>>2871798Most places worth living are heavily populated. If everyone there set snares, cut trees, poached and built as they see fit those places would be run down desolate wastelands in no time.Areas where this is not the case geblnerally suck, hence they are sparsely populated, and people living there are often living /out/ which is not as desireable as some may think.>3rd worldgo illegally shoot something in africa. There will be a suorise for you.
>>2871798the modern conservation movement was born in america. our /out/ mogs england and germany and it isn’t even close. imagine living in yurop with decimated forests, expatriated wildlife, and a bunch of gypsies poaching in the river with no repercussions. KWAB
>>2871798the alternative is what fish and wildlife does raising farm fish in a pit of water feeding them doggy treatssending a message out that X lake will be filled in the next weekthen mass dumping a thousand in the pool while hungry fisherman waitwho then use doggy pellet type bait and pull in their 5 limit within an hour because the dumb fish weren't raised in any environment to know better>huntingif people wanted to fix hunting they'd allow us to turn off the disney movie and kill cougars with dogs and traps againthose fuckers have a hunting license to harvest 54 deer a yearmy state ranks highest in the nation at 6000 which translates to 324,000 deer carcasses a year whereas hunters are harvesting 30,000-42,000 a year. So the human to cougar kill rate is nearly 10x.best part is humans are combat hunting with each other when there's a much bigger problem.and more recently my state has added wolves to the mix as welloh and cougar population was less than 2000 in the 1980s so its definitely retarded lawmakers giving these animals a rampage right of wayso in a way OP has a point despite coming from a different point of view.fuck cougars.
>>2875549>country home rocky roadyour state is also the fattest with 50% obesity. not overweight but obese.the best states to live off hunting without drinking poisoned ohio water like this retard are in the northwest corner of US. Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming
>>2875820>Not reallyYes really
>>2876087All American water is poisoned amigo
>>2876094Imagine investing in roasties in the year of our Lord 2026
>>2871798In my country (Spain) you also need licenses to hunt and fish. It is better like that because if not people would fish and hunt all the animals. When you have a lot of people doing something you have to make rules, it is not like in the past where it was just a little group of people doing it.
>>2876243you're very close to realising the real issuesomething population something something
>>2871798The only reason we still have any big game animals is because of the North American model of wildlife management and it is the gold standard for wildlife management in the world.
>>2876188Imagine paying to bring more thirdies into the US
>>2876425I'm genuinely curious and not trying to start something. Could you explain what you mean by NA style of wildlife management compared to other places and maybe give a couple examples
>>2876456There are really only 5 or 6 models.>Third worldNo rules. No game.>ContinentalYou join a club. The club manages the wildlife. Everything is divided up. Seniority gets the best cuts. Driven shoots for just about everything. Pretty indiscriminate honestly with moose calves and such getting routinely harvested>GermanCloser to a pest control job with benefits. If the hunter doesn’t control the deer and boar and badgers they can be held civilly liable in the event of damages.>BritishMassive tracts of private land owned by the upper class and very exclusive and fuck off peasants. My least favorite among the European models.>AfricanGuided hunts exclusively for foreigners almost that pay top dollar that admittedly is worth infinitely more than the local currency and the only motive for the locals not to eat everything with a pulse. Grim.>NAOpen to everyone. Well regulated. Objectively the best model even if state politics makes shit wonky sometimes.New Zealand is pretty dope too but that’s because it’s all introduced species so you can bag a wild sheep, goat, stag, goose, and hog in the same day theoretically with almost no restrictions. Their gun laws got hyper retarded after the Chris Church thing though.
>>2876426Imagine being such a pathetic fucking incel you can’t fathom not having to pay for sex
>>2876456https://www.fws.gov/story/2022-04/north-american-model-wildlife-conservation-wildlife-everyone
>>2876462>retard pretending he didn't pay for all the paperwork and feesYou both deserve to be deported to haiti
>>2871798Are you joking? I fucking envy the yanks, one of the few countries with genuine wilderness.
>>2876257This chart is bullshit because it purposely excludes chickens which would render this chart completely useless due to the sheer fucking scale
>>2876085>oh and cougar population was less than 2000 in the 1980s so its definitely retarded lawmakers giving these animals a rampage right of waycougar?
>>2871798>Even 3rd worlders live better than this.3rd worlders also tend to make species go extinct and live in polluted environments explicitly because they don't have these rules and regulations. >"wtf why can't I just hunt whatever I want as much as I want?">"wtf why is the Rhinoceros going extinct???"
