No but seriously, why cant i just buy a cabin and live there instead of a normal house?Its cheaper, more private and gives me great opportunity to do outdoor activities. Lots of cabins run on solar and have adequate plumbing, yet the cost remains low. Only thing i could think would be a challenge is winter, but even then i think a 4x4 and backup heating/electricity and lots of firewood. It would also give good homesteading opportunities.
>>2874655>No but seriously, why cant i just buy a cabin and live there instead of a normal house? Because you're whining about it on the internet instead of doing it.
>>2874658But why the hell arent more people doing it?>Because you're whining about it on the internet instead of doing it.Im also too broke to buy a house currently
>>2874655>why cant i just buy a cabin and live there instead of a normal house?Because youre poor (?)
>>2874655i bugged out to appalachia about a year ago and build this little starter cabin. it only cost $200 to build and is super cheap to maintain. now i have all the time in the world.
>>2874689>she still hasn’t filled in any of those gaps BWAHAHAHAHA
>>2874659>why aren’t more people doing it?Work/life balance. Anything that isn’t prohibitively expensive will be excessively far from where people work and where their extended families live. Anything that’s close to work isn’t very far removed from civilization and will be expensive.
>>2874655The only real tradeoff is location. Many states won’t allow you to live in a cabin unless it lives up to certain codes. The workaround in many places is to buy a place that’s zoned for agriculture. The price is right though. Especially if you have a good work from home job or the money saved
>>2874655You can. You just need to take into consideration food, water, electricity (if you so choose), heating, how to cover costs for things that you can’t/won’t source yourself. You also need to consider your own morale. Having lived in a cabin for several years, it’s actually quite psychologically demanding, so you need some way to keep your head screwed on straight.
>>2874727Anon you lost your mind back thenYoure still in the cabinWAKE UP
>>2874728If only. Now I work in an office. Can you believe that shit?
>>2874655you are romanticizing a way of life you've never experienced, because you are not able to cope with your current circumstances.you are the maladaptive daydreamer.if you were by some stroke of luck able to get that super awesome cabin and live the lifestyle you're dreaming of; you'd last maybe a month before cunting off back to the city because it was too hard and you missed your drip feed of endorphins.
>>2874748That’s what people told me, and then I did it. So give OP some slack. Before he does it, he must first dream of it.
>>2874655>why dont people live far away from other people and resources abd jobs and things to doProbably because its lonely and inconvenient and boring and hard to make money
>>2874749i bet you didn't need/require your hand held and ass wiped by random people on the internet before doing it though =Pthe average post on this topic boils down to:>plz give me step by step instructions on how to be self sufficient and self reliant
>>2874655>No but seriously, why cant i just buy a cabin and live there instead of a normal house?DO IT
>>2874751I'm not asking for a step by step guide. First of i am a student so I won't be able to do this come 3 years. Second, I have been thinking of it for a while, because I had a convo with my geezer coworker and he told me of how he lived in a cabin for a while in his twenties, he got it for like 20k after the 1980s economy crisis.I thought "i could probably do that" especially since there is probably gonna be some crash again soon. I was still wondering why the hell more people aren't doing it though, a small cabin would be perfect and cheap, and a great way to enter the housing market.
>>2874655FIrst, when was the last time you cooked yourself a meal? Because uber eats and door dash won't being available. Secondly, you greatly overestimate the capabilities of a 4x4 vehicle in the snow. Third, I have no idea what you think "backup heating" is. Are you planing on installing a 15kW generator?
>>2874754>he got it for like 20k after the 1980s economy crisisSo it would be 400k now.
>>2874757more than that. way more than that.people with vastly more money than any of us would love another vacation home.
>>2874759Very much depends on where the cabin is located.
>>2874757More like 50-60k since I live in yrop>>2874755>Secondly, you greatly overestimate the capabilities of a 4x4 vehicle in the snow.I reckon that if the road isnt particularly steep and relatively close to normal road that gets shoveled by govt workers I'll be fine. I did see listings close to where i am now that were relatively close to that description so i dont think its impossible >Are you planing on installing a 15kW generator?A generator, and propper batteries that store the solar power. Worst case scenario I'll just have to use firewood at times, but thats what my coworker did and im sure I'll manage if the cabin is a small one.
WTF do these posts end up on /out/? They have nothing to do with outdoor activities. Or do people see /out/ and think "oh yeah, I want to get out of the city"?
>>2874727Why did you stop living in one?
>>2874760fair. but the damage airbnb/vrbo has done to the world cannot be overstated.
>>2874764This.
>>2874763Because I wanted to start a family and women just can’t hack that sort of lifestyle.
OP, you can't. Other can, but you can't. Just accept that. Sorry to dash your fantasies but you simply don't have the capabilities of making them a reality. Some have those abilities, most don't, so you're not alone. Go watch some Isabel Paige videos on YT. That will give you some of the fantasy you crave while knowing her videos are fake so you don't feel the need to live up to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4ZCPcMn7HU
>>2874750>lonelyJust find a partner. Simple
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>>2874762>living innawoods isnt /out/....
>>2874762most of /out/ doesn't actually have any interest in the outdoors themselves, they just use the outdoors as a stage for idle daydreaming as a coping mechanism for their discomfort with their lives, almost always self-inflicted.
>>2874905>picrel totally counts as innawoods, guys!
>>2874907someone should make a camping video game where you can buy all kinds of trendy gear and go out le heckin camping.
>>2874947Nobody would call that "a cabin" you fucking nonce.Take your retarded ass back to /mlp/, adults are talking here.
>>2874907Speak for yourself.I spent the morning digging mud out of a culvert because beavers are trying to turn it into a dam again and then tied a chain to my truck and righted 2 young live oaks that got pushed over in a wind storm due to saturated ground. Theres enough actual /out/ posters to start our own legion.YOU dont go /out/ and assume nobody else does.
>>2874949But you'd have to make it realistic.>spend an hour serving food at a dead end day job to make money for a 2 minute dash around Academy Sporting Goods bonus stage for gear to get to the campground where you get eaten by a bear because you bought the wrong gear
>>2874951>doesn't understand what "most" meansare you aware of how defective you are?
Chattanooga Tn, Knoxville TN and Asheville NC have great internet providers. Get a place with a good internet connection and work from home. It's a no brainer.
>>2874655>why cant i justYou can.Innfact many do. And of those who do most would do almost anything to change their situation, others have given up. Only very few either chose to do so or are genuinely happy with this lot.So the question is not why "you can't" but if "you want". And you have answered the later by simply not doing so and deceiving yourself about the reasons. Only in your mind is it that "you can't" while in reality you don't want and rather have an easy and comfortable life, which is perfectly reasonable.
>>2874689have u ever seen the movie deliverance
>>2875308Pretty sure he was featured in it.
>>2875321"Dueling banjos" is actually 1 banjo vs 1 guitar.
>>2875328That was just filler so they could get to the hardcore anal rape.You know like men.
>>2874950So if I renovate the cabin to much it stops being innawoods even though it's surrounded by the exact same forest?
>>2875349Holy mother of 'tism.This thread, over and over again, and it always degenerates further to where we are now:Detachement from realityor millionaire projects.
>>2875351So we agree that "innawoods" doesn't in itself qualify as /out/.
>>2875358Certainly. I have remarked with amusement before that - ironically - half of /out/ is mostly preoccupied with getting /in/ just in some convoluted way that is expected to save money or circumvent laws or whatever.
>>2874655I wish I could buy a piece of forest and live there but in my shit country that is illegal. Someone once did it and was raped by subhuman pieces of shit in uniforms (aka STASINAZIS).But I wonder if I could buy or rent some property and live there inofficially while keeping official apartment for my welfare status and legal adress. Would that break any law just as if I was permanently camping somewhere else in the forest? I receive "Grundsicherung nach SGB XII" due to severe disability.
I find myself in a somewhat lucky situation to live in the middle of nowhere but haviung neighbors drives me crazy. Whoever was here before me build two sheds into the forest nearby, these must be older than myself (assuming D-Mark price tags) and likely illegal themselves. But no one ever cared.My long temr goal otherwise is renting a forest house / holiday home for permanent residency but the problem is they usually have no registerable adress. 20-30 m2 would suffice if I had enough land, I intend to build a greenhouse and live in it anyway.
>>2875364>>2875365>perpetual poster from DACH region claiming"It is illegal to go outside. The law states it is not allowed. Thus Ithe law is preventing me from doing so as I am unable to act without permission.">citing largely unrelated caseThat guy was building without a permit on land that wasn't zoned. In a very densely populated country you can't have everyone build wherever they see fit, you'd have nothing of the little 'nature' that is left remain after a few years of this. There would have been zero issues had the dude just been sleeping in a hammock or tent. >wellfare>address>residency>squatting and wasting living spaceKYS>tfw literally everytime I visit /out/ it is crowded with germs seething about how they can not /out/ because muh lack of permission - which is wrong to begin with and retarded attitude.
>>2875401>everytime I visit /out/ it is crowded with germs seething about how they can not /out/If it makes you feel better, im one of the anons that made it happen.>you might remember me from previous episodes like "I almost died the first winter because my cabin had zero insulation, electricity or heat and it was 17°F">or perhaps the sequel "I"ve been shitting in a 5 gallon bucket for 2 years while I save up enough money for a septic system".
>>2875477I did the 5gal bucket thing for a while, then I just started digging holes at the bases of trees on my property.
>>2874838I dont want to brag but this is me. Its not a farm but I have a good chunk of land I use for animals, fruit and veggies. 80% of my food is grown myself. Its not that hard, just dont make it harder than it has to be. I choose to buy grains and large animal meat in order to be able to manage the other 80%
>>2875477>>2875484germs as in germans>>2875401If I'm being more serious there's probably a general infestation of boards centered around an activity with users that don't engage in it. But the western / middle european ones on /out/ have a strong tendency to first misread or misinterpret laws or intentionally misrepresent them so they can then be used as a vindication for not going /out/ and instead daydreaming on /out/.I then can't help but suspect the poster wouldn't go out even if there was a law that specifically said you're allowed to, had someone invite you for the trip and owned all the gear you could ever think of. They would probably next come. up with a physical limitation or idk.A common pattern. Across many boards, equally interesting and saddening. I'm unsure but one explanation could be idealization of activities one doesn't have internal motivation fir through mass media.Anyways, in case of german(ic) posters it's just annoying because they are shitting on my home turf and yes, it's not the outback, europe is densely populated and heavily cultured but it's what we have. I still dont see another person for two days while moving if I don't want to. And there is not a single law here that claims 'camping is prohibited', the laws are more nuanced but most importantly: Not enforced against decent people.Regarding the building / construction thing: The population density doesn't allow it. The area would turn to shit in a year. It's not /out/ really IMO anyways.
>>2875505Well im German, just not in Germany
>>2875528>im German, just not in GermanyMany such cases.
>>2875532Im going to take a vacation and head down to Argentina, catalog all those graveyards with swastika tombstones and figure out which one is Uncle Addy.
>Let me guess, you need more?
>>2874689kind of funny how your narrative has switched from a cabin to a 'starter cabin'.I'm stoked to see the real one soon.And the actual, final real cabin after that.
>>2875770The chimney egress ladder is weird. Must be some psycho in charge of the building code out there.
>>2875789It looks like one of those Amazon kit cabins.I don’t mind that ladder tbdesu the older I get the harder it is to swing my fat ass over the edge.
>>2875790Such a thing exists?
>>2875792They used to be available before Covid… now all they have are pic related.>ze podhttps://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-tiny-home-kit-allwood-getaway-cabin-loft-2019-7
>>2875793>podthe last one, depending on it's side, could equally be a kind of desk organizer
>>2875773Dude he already admitted that its a LARP and just built it out of boredom in his parents yard.
>>2875802sorry I missed that part, I only come by when I'm idling at home every other month or so
>>2875817I hope he comes in and posts the gnarly gash he put in his arm when he bounced a dull ass hatchet off a log.Did get stitches or anything and now he has nerve damage.
>>2875364With the welfare status it might be hard, but you could just do the same as any "doctor and engineer" purchasing their mercedes - another family member owns it by law and bought it. Look for rural countryside, middle Germany (MV, BB, ST...) might be well considering prices (but not forest fires, however). And then, simply get a construction workers or foresters trailer (or its very skeletal base and construct it) - not you, your relative owns it and leased it to you. Allowed by law for protection during woodwork time, just make sure to move it around on the property (you might tow it around) and don't keep constant fireplaces to avoid conflicts with the law.
>>2875823the hatchet was freshly sharpened and i dont have nerve damage either. i saved tons of money not going to the dr
>>2875861healed to perfection
>>2875861>my forearm identified as female so...
>>2875359Fair enough, Internet stranger.
>>2875770No, I need less - as in less mosquitoes and blackflies
>>2875861I would have cost me nothing to get that stitched up
>>2876281Pay him no mind. He’s got this weird thing where being poor and stupid is his flex.
>>2874838DELET THIS
>>2874659>But why the hell arent more people doing it?because it fucking sucksthere is a reason why MILLIONS of people voluntarily STOPPED doing it the second they were able to>aye broski why dont more people live in caves?!retard
>>2875770>just me and my cozy $1.5m "cabin"
>>2877042My original build on 20 acres is sitting around $60kAnd its just the Derksen building with well/septic and finishing it out as a studio apartment with bathroom and kitchen.I was actually content until the neighboring 20 acres went back on market and I couldnt let someone else get it because fuck having neighbors (and my cabin is at the corner of my property next to the driveway for that chunk).So now im in for another $47k for shittier property because the market is fucked.>dude that bought thay chunk 10 years ago paid $18k)Find property and buy it now.Sit on it.Figure out how to do shit later.
>>2874838That guy is 36 now, I wonder how it worked out for him.
thread showing how to live food forest life.,,getossedin the woodchipper.,,,REALY?, had canned salsa,,shickens,,eggs.,shamefuu dispray.
>>2875364>severe disabilityYes, we noticed
>>2877067>chickens have more room than the goatsHahahahhahaThat book is fucking worthless.
>>2874689>I built a shanty in my mom's backyard>I also nearly cut my hand off with a saw because I'm not smart enough to cut away from my body parts
>>2877083First thing I noticed too. Kekarooni
>>2874748I have a wife and kid, if we could afford to have a cabin in woods with electricity (and internet hopefully) we'd do great, every fucking day would be peace or activity time. I dont even do anything in my town where I live only thing I do is go /out/>>2874755A man with his own cabin surely can get a mini sized snow plow and plow to nearest road when it gets bad. My landlord does it for our long ass driveway every snowstorm here in northeast>>2874762Retard>>2874947Seeing homes like this reminds me of what it felt like visiting my wealthier grandma as a kid, she didnt live in the woods but her neighborhood was tucked away in a foresty place in semi nocal and as a kid it felt like being away from the world. Now I see these fancy houses and I cant even fathom being inside them bur man id love to see what its like being in one of those nice houses that are semi in the woods (or all the way but those are more hidden)
coyotesinging,,,out my window right Now.,,,regular furry opera.
>>2874689You're making the bubbas seethe, extremely based. This board has some of the most bitter users I've ever seen kek, probably bots. You can use the experience you got for the better one, definitely make threads like last time so we can brainstorm.
>>2874655By the time most men have enough money to buy a house, they almost always, somehow have a wife and a kid to take care of, the kid needs to go to school, needs friends need everything, even tho you know you can take care of the kid, easy deal, but your wife doesn't agree with you, deep down she just doesn't want to live like that, cuz she " manifested " smt else, but she tells you that we gotta buy a nice house in city for the kid, she guilt trips, telling you that that family can't live forever in your little man cave and to stop being selfish, but deep down you know she just wants to satisfy here own, " manifestation ".
You can. But its no coincidence healthcare and health insurance are retardedly expensive. The government is going to make it really fucking hard for people to drop out of society and healthcare is the "stick" in this case.
>>2877440im almost 50 and have inly went to the doctor twice in my adult life. i dont see what the big deal is about muh healthcare. maybe its because everyone is fat now days.
>>2877451well you bankrupt your family if you get sick without health insurance or just die. Even if you plan to just die you will proably puss out and just bankrupt your family instead.
