The trouble with courgettes editionpastebin:https://pastebin.com/Mvfh8b87New USDA zone map has been released: https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/Koppen Climate Map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/K%C3%B6ppen_World_Map_High_Resolution.pngSearch terms:Agrarian, Agriculture, Agrology, Agronomy, Aquaculture, Aquaponics, Berkeley Method Hot Composting, Cold Frames, Companion Planting, Composting, Container Gardening, Core Gardening Method, Cultivation, Deep Water Culture (DWC), Dry Farming, Espalier, Farmer's Market, Forest Gardening, Forestry, Fungiculture, Geoponics, Greenhouses, Homesteading, Horticulture, Hot Boxes, Hügelkultur, Humanure, Hydroponic Dutch Bucket System, Hydroponics, Keyhole Garden, Korean Natural Farming, Kratky Method, Landscaping, Lasagna Gardening, Ley Farming, Market Garden, Mulching, No-till Method, Ollas Irrigation, Orchard, Permaculture, Polyculture, Polytunnels, Propagation, Rain Gutter Garden, Raised Beds, Ranch, Rooftop Gardening, Ruth Stout Garden, Sharecropping, City Slicker Composting, Shifting Cultivation, Soil-bag Gardening, Square Foot Gardening, Stale Seed Bed, Sugar Bush, Truck Farming, Vermiculture, Vertical Gardening, Window Frame Garden, Windrow Composting, Alpaca, Snail, Toad, Trumpeter, Turkey, Worm, biochar, vermicompostingLast thread: >>2868554(Un)official /HGM/ discord: https://discord.gg/TvN3Ed4Geh
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>>2875147My small pumpkin and gourd patch behind the garage has exploded.It'll be a good harvest this fall.
>>2875175>My small pumpkin and gourd patch behind the garage has exploded.That can't be good for the plants...
>>2875176Lol.
Muh garlic harvest. Another week or so and they should be cured. Music variety here
>>2875179Ukrainian Red on the left and Chesnok Red on the right
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>>2875179>>2875180Nice.
>>2875180I have a shitload of garlic my yard.Was around a tree that was lost in a stoem.so now its just kind of in the middle.of lawn. Going to move it all this winter.I dried some one year but I just let it do its thing and if I need fresh garlic I just go dig some up.Pics of maypops (wild passion fruit).I actually have some.protected from deer this year and might make some lemonade with them
>>2875179I was told that you should not cut the stems until they are cured because the bulbs will suck all the nutrients in before dying.
>>2875193Nta but that would explain why they always lace the stems together in big "mats". I thought it was just to make hanging while curing easier (i guess it pulls double duty).
>>2875193idk this was my first time growing garlic and I just followed the instructions from this vendorhttps://keeneorganics.com/curing-garlic/Once they're cured, I'll sort by size for seed for replanting and hang the rest by piercing the neck with some wire>>2875191Very nice. This is the first year mine have made fruit
>>2875191>(wild passion fruit).Specifically they're purple passionflower, Passiflora incarnata. My area also has a lot lutea, the little colorless ones. After some mishaps with drought, deer browse, and fritillary caterpillars defoliating them, mine finally didn't die this year and are starting to climb their trellis. I've been seeing the wild ones flowering on the roadside which has been nice. Hopefully I can get some flowers of my own next year.
>>2875200Nice.I dont think theres any purple here.But the "maypop" type are everywhere.Pic related only feeds on maypop as larvae although the butterfly will feed off any flower.Saw one the other day.
>>2875202Yeah, last year I hesitated to kill one and the next day my seedlings had lost all of their leaves...
>>2875203Ive never seen damage from them. But mine are all wild and grow like crazy.I dug up a few that were going to get mowed and gave them to my mother a couple months ago and theyre like 4 feet tall and blooming already.
>>2875203Was it feeding on the purple?
>>2875191Im not ESL BTW, just fat finger the keypad and dont proofread before I post.
>>2875204They were only a few months old and still establishing their roots, so there wasn't much to eat. To be clear, I am talking about maypops, which are distinct for having purple flowers. We're growing the same thing.
Mother fucking oriental fruit moths dicked up all my peaches. >>2874388>>2874385Sucks ass. I’ll be lucky to make a single pie.Here’s a pic from better times. Got three bushels off it in 2023…. I have 2 dozen peaches this year.
>>2875181those are very pretty pumpkin leaves.
>>2875208I thought I had pics of my flowers but couldnt find any.Went to get new pic and they close at night (?).Never checked.I want to say that mine are the purple/white and not fully purple flowers but really wanted to verify if im going on the record.My shit is going insane this yearI cant even count the plants.50?100?No idea.
My green ayote squash keeps aborting its female flowers what the fuck do I do? I really need them to produce. I've just about broke my neck getting this far. I manually fertilized flowers even. I've also noticed over time the female flowers it's producing are getting bigger and are more likely to bloom.
>>2874773I made the mistake of not reading the Miracle Gro Cactus/Citrus/Avocado soil bag. It was for in-ground use not for potting. My avocado trees struggled. I repotted after amending the soil with pumice, perlite, and horticultural sand. It's been 2 weeks since. One is stalled, but no more leaf droop. The other one has new shoots and leaves. I may need to amend the soil for the stalled one with coco coir or put it in a grow bag to allow more air to reach the roots.
>>2875236Look up 5-1-1 mix, that's what I use for all my potted citrus. Its easy to make yourself.
Ty for new thread. Amazing plants guys! Amazing harvests! I am running a bit late in the season but better late than neverI have labeled 12 of my Plants in groups of 4. They are in Stage 2 of 3 before their final replanting in larger containers.α,β,γ,Δδ - Black Cherry TomatosΕε,Ζζ,Ηη,Θ - TomatilosΙι,Κκ,λ,Μμ - Radishes
>>28752492 of 3 the Tomatillos (never grown these before) any advice is welcome
>>2875249>>28752503 of 3 here are some Radishes. I have grown radishes before.I know they don't tend to do great in small containers like this, but I was thinking about replanting them. But I'm also very open, too advice. Thank you.
>>2875249>>2875250>>2875251You should thin those seedlings down to one per pot>>2875217
>>2875254Found an open one today.
>>2875281Also saw a maypop butterfly flying around.He wouldnt cooperate and hokd still for a pic but got one of him mid-flight.
just tried the stuff on my gloves after harvesting and trimming my plantsits workingg im feeling waves over my bodyyy maybe i took too much
>>2875181I love my chad squash
>>2875332Aaaw yeah hell yeah. Noice one m8. Winter Squash or summer? I got summer squash growin' next to my gourds. Those fuckers got outta control last year.
>>2875254Ok I will try to thin them tommarow thanksMy first harvest of baby tomatoes yay
Hello againHas anyone grown Petunias before or had any success with glow in the dark plants or fungi/anything living like thr Firefly Petunia?According to Google, despite earlier sayings that the plants were sterile, they can be hybridized and produce seeds. But apparently the chance of the children, flowers, having seeds that glow is less likely. I'm still very interested in splicing glowing, the dark genes into plants.Unfortunately, it seems like they're out of stock mainly right now. I've thought about buying them before when they were released a year or 2 ago, but the reviews were not stellar, but it seems like now some people have had some success with themThere is the added caveat that technically , you're not supposed to sell the seeds or give them away in mass quantities commercially which I can sort of understand but seems impractical , when nature is gonna do what nature is gonna do
what to do with 10 liters of goose berries?>>2875179>>2875180impressive, how do you get them so clean?mine usually are quite dirty even after drying and brushing
>>2875389harvested a couple of outliers the other day, but its time to harvest if the weather improves slightly
>>2875389>10 litres of any kind of berryWine, jam or preserve my dude.
>>2875363Winter. Haven't actually grown proper summer squash except courgettes, eyeing up a straightneck variety for next yearGood luck with the gourds. I plant mine on top of a bucket of horse shit and they go mad.
>>2875389By the time I got done harvesting, the dirt on the roots would be dry enough that I could get it off with a scrub brush. Then I peeled the lowest green leaf leaving a clean bulb and clipped the stem to 6-8". I'll keep doing it if they store well this way, otherwise next year I might leave all the leaves and hang them in bundles in the garage instead
>>2875393Gourds are crazy, cus you can just toss the seeds around and they'll still grow. Yeah man, hope your squash turn out well.
>>2875381Petunias are crazy easy to grow, but im in zone 8. I just make sure they dont dry out and they go berserk.Ive heard about the glow in the dark but havent tried them.
>>2875381This guys is spot on >>2875407just put them in a pot and water.
>>2875410>just put them in a potI had some seed out and they were just growing in random spots around my shop for a couple years with zero effort, just surviving on rain.I did some early summer yard work a couple years ago and mowed them before they seeded out and they didnt come.back.
My zucchini storage peaked at 40 before I gave them away to family>>2875147I recognize this table
Garlic harvest, about 100, also have some more from trials of new cultivars in pots, "Lubasza" came on top again>>2875179>>2875180Nice, why do you clean them and remove the stalk though, they store better if you let them dry on their own in my experience
Fortunately branches didn't snap, I thinned them out but it's still a ton of apricots >>2875209I have a problem with wasp niggers, they keep damaging my fruits causing them to rot
>>2875424see>>2875199>>2875396I also didn't have a curing spot set up in my garage yet and I didn't want to bring all the leaves and dirt inside to the basement
I love globe artichokes >>2875236I'm glad they recovered, I made the same mistake when I was starting with succulents>>2875250Tomatillos are really mid in my opinion, inferior to sour tomatoes in every way but they do make for a nice novelty>>2875251I have never seen anyone starting radishes in pots, they grow well if you just dump seeds onto bare soil
>>2875389Make a wine>>2875429Makes sense, this guy grows them for sale so they have to look nice for clients, you can skip this step if you just grow for yourselfYou can just hang them outside under a roof and they'll dry just fine as long as they don't get direct sun or rain, I'll make a photo of mine tomorrow
Allotment has a lot of stone in the ground. What should I do with all of them? I reckon I could fill up a gorilla bucket pretty easily.
>>2875427I’ve put a 10 ft 2x10 under branches that heavy for support and it worked well to prevent snappage.Garlic, chives, lavender, and marigolds around the area will help deter pests. Still pisses me off.
>>2875389You could eat that many. Maybe bake a pie or two.
I’m looking for a garlic that I can grow in 8b humid sup tropical environments (San Antonio that ideally requires no chill time in freezer if anyone has experience
>>2875463Softnecks are what you want. Look up different varieties and see what looks good to you
>>2875464I’ve tried Italian early ,Texas rose,now I’m gonna try Messidor and ichtium red,I want to know if anyone else had success and what they grew,that Texas rose is apparent descended from thehalletsville garlic ,but because of Jewish globalism it’s not commercial production anymore and propibly lost some of its warm summer adaptability when I tried it,
>>2875464Both the Italian and my rose formed unibulbs this year ,the previous year the rose produced actuall cloves,any other than that I guess it would have to be a breeding program to make garlic work down here,any anons done garlic breeding ?
>>2875463This kind.Lol sorry I cant be more specific.Im in 8b. This is just a couple that were flowering so they didnt get mowed. Mother planted them about 15 years ago and they've just over taken their own area in the yard. They thrive with zero care.I only dig them up when im cooking and realize im out of garlic.Tried to dry some one year but it didnt turn out (maybe was just too humid).
>>2875463No garlic requires chill time, that just causes the bulb to split. Society garlic is pretty good and you can just use the leaves instead of worrying about a bulb.
>>2875546Typical libtard response,you do realize Mexicans and South Asia people who live In the jungle grow garlic right.so there most be a way to grow it without a freeze
>>2875554I think you read me wrong. Even garlic that needs a freeze doesn't really need a freeze.
MmmmmSo appealing....
>>2875554NTA >lives in commiefornia>calls other people libtardsChecks. Why don’t you go ask them mehicans how to grow it then fucktard?
>>2875561>californiaNot everyone is a homo like you>>2875554wjat garlic do you grow becuase mine don’t want to form cloves
>>2875563Mine is transplanted from my in-law’s yard… it’s garlic variety garlic?
>>2875565Is it form regular sized bulbs or is it wild?
>>2875566Regular but smaller than normal. I don’t have any pics handy or I would post an example.I have wild garlic too in the back quarter. Tiny little flavor bombs.
My squash is making hermaphrodite flowers. Why?
>>2875583It's 2026 you chud just let it be trans if it wants to
>>2875588>>2875583
>>2875588>>2875589I burned my whole garden down and salted the earth.
>>2875604Too late anon, it won't make the thoughts go awayYou are already infected
>>2875604The native plants mind virus already has you
>>2875611Honestly would be surprised if anything could survive salted earth.>>2875610>an heros
>>2875625It depends how salted you mean. Saltwater is a natural occurrence so you'd expect some salt-tolerance from plants in affected ecosystems. Some beach natives like rugosa rose and beach plum are naturally somewhat tolerant, and mangroves and their associated species since they're from brackish swamps. There are a bunch of random grasses and shrubs that are very salt resistant.
>>2875625>it has what plants crave
I have tiny red aphids investation my balcony pots. How did they get here? Like I'm on a floor 21.
>>2875659Adult aphids have wings and can go quite far, even cracking a window for a few hours can be enough to start an infestationBut what you have here looks too small to be aphids, those are likely spider mites
>>2875633>It depends how salted you meanIdeally a solid inch evenly distributed. But yeah I have heard of mangroves.
>>2875659>tiny red aphidsSounds like clover mites.
Deer ate a bunch of my tomatoe and broccoli plants. Its kinda depressing. Also my fault for not putting up enough fencing
>>2875672Time for venison burgers.
I'm growing my own weed and it feels so gooooooooood huhuhhhhuhuh bob marlboro
>>2875694Also this was done, just had light stress so more white
>>2875694You'd better be growing native strains that help the local ecosystem.
Picked just under four and half pounds of blackberries this morning. Will probably get about 15-20 pounds total before the birds decimate them
>>2875705What do you mean? Landraces? I'm autism
>>2875719Landraces are ferals. Generally something introduced by humans and then left on their own to adapt.Natives are something that evolved as a species/sub-species in that particular range/environment under natural conditions without human intervention.
>>2875180>20% humidity>62 degreesBrother where do you live. It's 52% in my house right now WITH running AC.
>>2875694nice brojust harvested my plants (first time grower) and have one more (pic rel) thats going to grow over the summerdid it for the first time ever and gave them too much fertilizer after going without, they re-entered the vegetative state and flowered anew, killing the existing buds so im not having a great harvest from the ones i just trimmed :(imo growing weed is actually kinda hard, i think i used the wrong soil and fertilizer and ran into a bunch of problems from too little nitrogen to too much potassium at the same time
>>2875731Midwest, basement stays comfy year round. It's also been a really mild week
>>2875736It's a learning curve but can be done brainlessly as well. These things are called weed after all.
>>2875740ive bought three seeds of that variant youre seeing here and the heatwave killed twothis plant is 1,5months old and i hope its getting much bigger as i just repotted it and will do again in like two weeksi just want some nice looking big buds like in the promotional pictures :D
>>2875741Do you have a ph meter? Get one. There's a golden rule to growing weed. LITFA. leave it the fuck alone. All of all of the weed in my picture was grown with neglect. I did absolutely nothing but water it, and I got a result. Just relax and let the plant plant
>>2875742nah no pH meter, this time im not fucking around with fertilizer and just repot the thing so the plant gets enough nutrients from the soil (which is specifically for weed and has some fertilizer)went from yoghurt pot > 2l pot > 6l pot now and the last will be 15l so it can stretch nice and bigwhen i was repotting it the whole pot was basically bright white from the roots, so the plant looks happy and healthy at least
>>2875743Don’t repot it. Start it in the final pot or repot it from a seedling into the final pot right away. Keep your light low, not close enough to burn it but right on top. Just use a bag of fox farm grow medium. It’ll have all the nutrients you need.What this guy said >>2875742leave it the fuck alone.You can get some seltzer water and a spray bottle and hit it 3 times a day for extra CO2. Godspeed young buck. Growing outside helped me lose a whole person. >>2862593>>2862603
>>2875463tldr look for a variety in the subtropical group if you want it to be easy, otherwise look for anything that says it's early season and look it up to see if you can find anyone growing it around your latitudehere's a quick rundown on garlic lore if anyone's curious>garlic has been propagated clonally since even before it was cultivated, either by bulbils (basically a small clone that grows instead of a seed), or by planting cloves>since it doesn't sexually reproduce and its offspring are all clones of the parent, there are actually only really 11 different lineages called 'groups'>there is a small amount of variation within these groups but not much>some garlics are closer to the ancient wild ancestors>they're called hardnecks because they form a scape (flower stalk)>they tend to have a stronger flavor and are generally grown at higher latitudes>within hardnecks some varieties are 'strongly bolting' (they form scapes readily) and some are 'weakly bolting' (they form scapes more reluctantly)>other garlics have lost the ability to produce scapes altogether (under normal conditions) and are called softnecks>they tend to have a milder flavor and are generally grown at lower latitudes, though there are exceptionslet's talk about photoperiod>wild aliums (plants in the garlic/onion genus) form bulbs as a way of going dormant during times of the year they wouldn't be able to survive normally>to know what time to form a bulb they rely on the photoperiod (length of the day)>'early season' garlic groups need the shortest photoperiod to trigger bulb formation, roughly 13h days>turban & asiatic - hardneck, weekly bolting>'mid season' need 14-15h days>glazed purple-stripe & porcelain - hardneck, strongly bolting>creole - hardneck, weekly bolting>artichoke - softneck, i.e. non-bolting>'late season' need 14-16h days>rocambole, marbled purple stripe & standard purple stripe - hardneck, strongly bolting>silverskin - softneck, i.e. non-bolting(1/?)
>>2875779>then there's the subtropical group which can form bulbs without respect to the photoperiod and will generally just do it when they've been in the ground long enough (they may also respond to temperature, not 100% sure on that)so you can see why certain (late season) varieties are impossible to grow at low latitudes because the day length required to trigger bulb formation will never happen, but why can't you grow the early season hardnecks in the turban and asiatic groups at low latitudes? basically it's because at high latitudes they will reach that day length well before the hottest time of year (and the hottest time of the year will generally be cooler), whereas at low latitudes they won't reach that day length until the height of summer, and by then the temperature will have either killed the plant or else caused it to bolt, which means the plant will be spending its energy trying to produce a scape rather than trying to produce a bulbyou can extend the bulb forming period of hardnecks by removing the scapes, and this is usually done where hardnecks are grown (apparently they're edible and quite nice but I've never had them since you can't reliably grow hardnecks at my latitude), but past a certain point they will just grow back rather than causing the plant to focus on bulb developmentbasically if you're at a latitude where the day is never over 14 hours you will have a lot better a time just growing subtropical varieties. turban and asiatic varieties will be doable if you expect a cool summer but less reliable than subtropical because of the risk of bolting(2/3)
>>2875780now for some elite level bonus facts>remember how I said they don't reproduce sexually?>that's because when the scape forms it grows bulbils, which crowd out any flowers>if you carefully pull off the bulbils as soon as they start growing, flowers will be able to grow>these flowers can be pollinated and will produce viable seeds>this is called 'true garlic seed'>germination rate is generally terrible and what plants do grow will take multiple years to form a bulb>once they do, cloves can be propagated as normal>garlic grown this way (supposedly) grows much more vigorously than ordinary garlic and is far more resistant to disease>you might be able to buy cloves of some F1 hybrids grown this way where you live, just look up 'true garlic seed' and see if you can find a vendor>these will all be hardneck varieties since softnecks are unable to form scapes and therefore cannot produce any flowers>*except* sometimes in rare circumstances, softnecks will produce scapes, and various plant hormones (auxins and gibberelins) are being researched to trigger scape formation in softnecks>soon there might be true garlic seed grown softneck varieties available, but not yetanyway half of this information might be wrong, it's an unsourced 4chan post what do you expect?(3/3)
>>2875751i dont have to guerilla grow (legalized for two years now) and dont have a spot to just plant it, so pots it isproblem with growing it in one single pot is watering, having to water a big ass pot with a tiny ass plant is going to get you overwatering problems and the repotting makes fertilizer unnecessary
>>2875783I do most of my stuff in containers. River rock at the bottom and plenty of holes help drainage and prevent overwatering. My experience has been the opposite. Never enough water for the containers. I no longer grow the Devil’s lettuce (they legalized it here too and my quality can’t compete) but I’m one of those assholes that grow a couple dozen tomatoes a year now. I started about 3 years ago but went full no till this year and never even broke out the rototiller.Work smarter not harder.80/20 rule.
>>2875786Rocks don't increase drainage
>>2875795Shrug wtf do I know. Keep being a retard then. Enjoy your cover of high times 1978 weed.
>>2875795huh apparently this is true, always used a layer of those clay balls at the bottom but this article says its better to just mix them with the soilhttps://deepgreenpermaculture.com/2019/09/06/should-you-put-gravel-or-rocks-at-the-bottom-of-plant-pots-for-drainage/
>>2875799Well water causes soil to stick together to form something like a sponge. It can only hold a certain amount of water, with more being at the bottom from gravity, and any excess just runs out through the holes. As the top dries out, the bottom water is wicked up slowly. All rocks in the bottom does is raise the bottom of the soil higher so that the reservoir is higher, which can be good for really shallow-rooted plants but is typically a pointless maneuver that reduces the capacity (except to weigh the pot down).Drainage of the soil is determined by particle size/shape and how compacted it is, so very fine particles leave almost no gaps in-between for it to flow through. Sand is much bigger resulting in huge gaps, and compost is of irregular sizes which leads to a good amount of gaps and a high surface area for retaining water. Rocks are basically a more extreme case than sand, but the gaps between them will end up full of soil which effectively means there is no gap. Particularly, combining big particles and small particles can lead to the smallest particles neatly sorting into the gaps and making drainage even worse.Basically to increase drainage you just want the soil to stay loose and with big particles. Pumice and perlite do it pretty good. Sandy soil has the best drainage which can be toned down with compost so it retains more water. This is an entirely physics-driven process like Plinko so as long as you focus on the physical attributes of your soil additives and not their nutrients, you can imagine it.
>>2875780Aye more info on this subtropical line of genes,Google is being homosexual
Amaranth bros wwa
>>2875822I think i have one of these.
>>2875804I actually had no idea but it turns out the subtropical grouping was designated in australia for a handful of local varieties and isn't used internationally. Unless you can find glenlarge, southern glen, italian red or italian pink for sale you might not even be able to get true day length neutral garlic in the US. there are supposedly some day length neutral varieties grown in india too but I don't know if any of them will be available outside of wherever they're traditionally grown. sorry about that, I never once considered that something like that would be specific to my otherwise basically irrelevant corner of the world. you'll probably just have to go for the early weakly bolting hardnecks like turban, asiatic and creole and just nurse them to try and stop them bolting in the summer - remove scapes, keep them well mulched and watered to keep the temperature down as that's what triggers bolting, maybe even a shade cloth would help but I don't know much about that since I just grow subtropicalsI had a look for what varieties they grow in mexico since someone mentioned it earlier and it looks like they mostly grow turbans. I would have thought you wouldn't be able to stop them bolting but I guess they manage. people don't generally bother where I'm from (subtropical australia) but I suppose that's more because there's a much easier option than that hardnecks are actually infeasible. I'm gonna do some more research about that since I might try growing some hardnecks next season
>>2875836ok small correction it turns out it's water stress not temperature that causes them to bolt in the summer, so mulch and water will help but a shade cloth probably won't. they do bolt in response to temperature as well but it's low temperatures not high temperatures so that's not gonna be an issue outside of cooler climates. as long as you keep them from getting water stressed you can apparently prevent weakly bolting hardnecks from bolting at all
>>2875795I believe that what Anon is trying to sayor what inspired the sentimentis that a large step in pore size prevents drainagelike if you had soggy soil sitting on a grate, if wouldn't drip or drain, just remain soggy asat least one effect that moves the water is or is akin to capilary actionbut this would also impky that if you chuck some river rocks in to just prevent stuff from falling out the drain holes, then gradually finer rocks followed by soil, it's what I always do at least to prevent the soik from just filling the voids between the rocks, then the water should sort of wick down or up, even through pores gradually changing in size
>>2875842Thank you. This. I’m retarded when trying to express my ideas succinctly.The article quoted even says “I don’t know why traditional gardeners did this” because it works. Simple as. That’s my big problem with permaculture in general. Trying to reinvent the wheel. Just read some gardening books from 1920 or before.
>>2875849>Just read some gardening books from 1920 or beforeno manscience is progressing wether you want it or not, new isnt badhydroponics have come a long way since then and our understanding of biology too
Kill Squirrels. Behead Squirrels. Roundhouse kick a Squirrel into the concrete. Slam dunk a Squirrel into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Squirrels. Defecate in Squirrel nests. Launch Squirrels into the Sun. Stir fry Squirrels in a wok. Toss Squirrels into active volcanoes. Urinate on Squirrel food. Judo throw Squirrels into a wood chipper. Twist Squirrel heads off. Report Squirrels to the Githyanki Warriors. Karate chop Squirrels in half. Curb stomp Squirrels. Trap Squirrels in quicksand. Crush Squirrels in the trash compactor. Liquefy Squirrels in a vat of acid. EAT Squirrels. Dissect Squirrels. Exterminate Squirrels in the gas chamber. Stomp Squirrel skulls with steel-toed boots. Cremate Squirrels in the oven. Lobotomize Squirrels. Stuff Squirrel heads in the garbage disposal. Drown Squirrels in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Squirrels with Magic. Kick old Squirrels down the stairs. Feed Squirrels to other Squirrels. Slice Squirrels with a Silver Sword.
>>2875852Son have a seat. You ever hear about the old bull and the young bull standing on the hill?Young bull looks down on the herd of cows and says to the old bull “I’m gonna run down there and fuck one of them cows!”Old bull is just chewing his cud and replies “I’m going to walk down there and fuck them all.”Don’t be so fast to throw the baby out with the bath water in favor of “NPK science”. I recommend some Ruth Stout, Albert Howard, Elliot Coleman, or something similar.
>>2875854You know you can just eat them right anon?>they don’t want you to know but the squirrels in the park are free
>>2875855just because this works doesnt mean other things dont (or work even better)the only constant in life is change
>>2875855The only way you can make a point is to repeat a joke from the 1970's? Come on now unc...
>>2875877Like I said. Sit down son the grownups are talking.>>2875876The more things change the more they stay the same.
>>2875852It's not like new and old ideas are necessarily in conflict, they just had different solutions to things.
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>>2875711the ones that have red on them still will probably still be sourI just had my first experience with them and ended up picking a lot of them too early. If you can leave them to ripen a bit more, they'll be much more overall sweet instead of a tinge of sour. (unless you like your blackberries that way/are using them to make jam or something)My bush produced a lot this year for the first time (just planted it last year) and the birds have found it. I'm trying out these covers i got on amazon to see if it'll help stop the birds from eating them and letting them ripen a bit longer before picking this next batch.
>>2875963Ya those are too early.Its difficult to judge but after a few seasons you can recognize when the drupelets (the individual little spheres) are swollen. Thats when thwyre sweetest.But there's not much vine time between that and when they either fall or start to shrivel so you have to pay attention.
>>2875900
The Big Mushroom returns.
Up and over, pumpkin #2 in going around on the grass.
fucking bastard piece of shit
HAHAHA YES
Whats with wild honey bees staying in pumpkin flowers long after they've closed up?
When are potatoes ready to harvest? Carrrots are not large than they appear.
>>2876053Do you want really big, beautiful moths flying around?Because thats how you get really big, beautiful moths flying around.
>>2876053Get a UV flashlight, they glow in the dark
>>2876057When they turn brown and start to die off.
>>2876069i get enough pleasure from the black swallowtails and polyphemus moths, hornworms can die
>>2876053gotta admit hes pretty photogenic
>>2876081quadrivalvis doing some heavy lifting in the background desu
>>2875625you can water coconuts solely with seawater
just tried some of my homegrown weed and i gotta say i think i enjoy the cultivation much more than actually consuming itjust took very little with a gravity bong and oh boy after not smoking for 10y im still feeling it 3h after, makes me want to eat a shitload of stuff even though im still full god damn
I love GOURDS
Is this disease or overwatering on my tomatoes?
>>2876463either over- or underwatering, symptoms are pretty close
>>2875147homegroing is a scam. Especially if you want to achieve the same quality and size of the fruits and vegetables like the one from.the store, it gets more expensive than buying from.the store.
Hello /hgm/, I moved into a house with a lot of fruit trees left from the previous owner. I have 1 female fig, 1 lemon, 3 orange, 1 peach, 2 pomegranate, 2 grape fruit, 3 small plums, and a pear. I foolishly trimmed some of the trees in the growing season instead of the winter. But anyways, the varieties of fruit that these trees give suck. the plums are sour and the grapefruit is also I want to learn more about grafting so I can graft better varieties to these trees. im actuall pretty sure that the cherry is an overgrown mirabelle plum that the rootstock took over. and the peach is the result of some peach pit being thrown into the garden. thank you for reading my blog
>>2876524If you have never grafted anything in your life I recommend you start learning right now on tomatoes and peppers if you have any before you risk that next Spring on your trees, it's not the same as grafting wood but it's close enough if you want to learn and you have minimal loses if you fuck up
>>2876057Man why can't my garden be that green
>>2876524>the cherry is an overgrown mirabelle plum that the rootstock took overUnlikely, cherry is never used as rootstock for plums. I'm almost positive it's prunus cerasifera, cherry plum>the plums are sourAre you sure they're ripe? Post a pic of them
>>2876463Mostly normal for lower leaves. You're not using chlorinated water are you?
>>2876513horry shite, this level of dumbfuckness!>Especially if you want to achieve the same quality and size of the fruits and vegetables like the one from.the storecant get any dumber then this. sure you never had any fresh veggies from a real home garden. >it gets more expensive than buying from.the store.can be true if you do it wrong but still quality and taste are dimensional betterback to plebbit anyway
>>2876513A cutting is like $10-15. And they don't scale more expensive with more rare or luxurious varieties. Bleeding-edge dessert shite is not hard to find, and neither are specialist varieties for you local climate.
>>2876543they're not cherries they're small plums i misspoke. i don't think its prunus cerasifera because it doesn't give a lot in bunches. the lower branches were green when they were ripe and they were good but the upper branches were red when ripe and tasted sour that's why I thought its an overgrown rootstock. i can't get you any ripe fruit as they've all fallen down and rotten by now
>>2876618prunus cerasifera fruit looks like mirabelle, can have multiple colors of fruits, is sour and seed doesnt split easily from part you eatcherry has round seed, tree we are talking about has almond shape seeds, like plums but smalldont look at google pictures of tree shape, think about fruit description
>>2876556Yeah my water comes directly from my hose should I invest in a rain barrel>>2876481It's likely overwatering because it's been raining alot lately
>>2876617Lol.Dude.Its 2026.When was the last time you bought sapplings?Are you just buying random shit in 1 gallon pots at home depot that wont produce anything for a decade?!
>>2876525Roses are great to learn grafting on.
>>2876738>sapplingslike what are we talking about here, trees or small/medium garden plants like tomatoes?saplings were never cheap, also you can grow your own too
>>2875736plant is getting bigger :)
>>2875147https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV6q08ycHRkThis guy is digging a water well on his homestead island in the middle of a lake or river.Building a well is good, but why doesn't he try purifying from the lake/river? To begin with, the water of his well will come from the percolated/purified water from the river/lake above ground.
>>2876793Looks very vigorous. May wanna cut some of the light blocking fan leaves
>>2876820nah, its outdoor over the day and soon fully so the lower leaves serve a purpose (also its nice to look at and i dont care about yield that much)
Here's my four month long potato harvest Planted in a 5" shallow 15sqft litter box
Mom wanted me to mix some dirt and soil last year tossed in some four o'clock seeds just because, and a year later for these. They managed without watering for a year and this is them after a month of some wood chips and shade cloth.Really fine and alkaline dirt. It's nearly sand for much of it, but it retains some moisture. The weeds are kept around it for some chop and drop and wind protection for now. If these keep up enough to make a nice canopy, I want to add some prairie wine cups and flax for a ground layer. Started mixing some cottonwood leaf litter and a bag of expired soil in the sandy spots too.
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>>2876846Those kinda look like peppers
Broke nigga here. Can I just show up at night and steal some of these bags of soil and mulch that Home Depot leaves outside?
>>2876856Flock no.
>>2876856They leave them outside overnight? I'd expect them to use pump-jacks to put them away or something, they're all on pallets.
How feasible would it be to build and use a steam tractor to work a farm without spilling a bunch of chemicals onto the field?
>>2876877Anon, those things are massive, draw us what you have in mind, also it's a steam engine, depends on what chemicals you intend to use.
>>2876856Loss prevention is the only department kept fully staffed, nignog.
>>2876876Yep
>>2876878I don't have anything in mind. Just a thought that crossed it.It would be powered by homemade charcoal or wood, so it would be clean. At least cleaner than using gas.
>>2876887You're in charge of the construction, what chemicals did you have in mind?
>>2876887Steam engines have to be lubricated constantly.If you’re that fucking worried about it get a horse.
>>2876889What do you mean? Steam engines are made with cast iron.>>2876890Good idea. Probably better overall for homestead use. Tractors are better for industrial farms.
>>2876892>What do you mean?Anon, your initial post meant that you were concerned with chemicals. Where are these chemicals coming from?
>>2876893The combusted gas used in regular tractors. That's why I considered using charcoal/wood-powered steam tractors instead.
>>2876877Dude.Watch a video on "starting" a steam engine.Youre talking about building a fire to boil a hundred gallons of water.Haven't you ever watched a movie where someone is stoking a boiler on a train?
>>2876895Have you ever seen a tractor that runs on steam that's close to the size of modern tractors? Steam tractors are massive because their engines are not as efficient space-wise compared to combustion tractor engines. Not to mention the gases released from modern tractors are negligible to say the least. How large an area are you planning on ploughing?>Inb4 your mum's a large area i'd plough
>>2876896I have. I remember seeing one that wasn't that much bigger than some of the modern ones (not small but not gigantic either).>>2876897A few acres to feed the family. It's just a hypothetical scenario.>>Inb4 your mum's a large area i'd ploughKek
>>2876898Get a horse/cow. They're more enjoyable to have around for the family. Look up books by the late John Seymour, they'll have something in them about using draught animals, comfy reads too>Why get a cow when you've got yer' mum? aaay lmao
>>2876899Will do, thank you very much.
>>2876846They supposedly grow like weeds and they'll make a ton of seeds.I tried growing some this year but it was surprisingly hard to get them to germinate. I only really have one big plant so far and for whatever reason it decided to grow horizontally from the start. It probably has at least 50 flowers on it now though. I have two more sprouting next to it that will be different colors. If they survive the winter I should have a pretty nice patch of them next year.
>>2876910Yeah my mom's property has some four oclocks that cling on despite neglect. Facing north, there use to yellow ones all along 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock. The ones at 7 o'clock climb on despite being near concrete and on the South side which have managed to to persist for 13 years with very intermittent watering. There's one in the shallow window well that I think is the progenitor for all of the current yellow ones living on the south side. The ones on the east side eventually died because of no water at all, but I planted a few seeds there a month ago and they sprouted. I noticed there's not much rhyme or reason for what direction they grow. Picrel was vertical until I watered it from above and then it completely wanted to go horizontal. Put in a couple stakes to train it to be upright again.This one got large enough to flower all on its own without consistent watering or wood chips. It likes this spot right beside the stone stairs because it's cooler. Same spot as some historic yellows. The ones in my pictures are from a mixed color batch so I'm hoping to get some fun ones As for how to get them to germinate, I have no idea. I just threw some in dirt last year. The newer sprouts were watered in clay loam which had wood chips ~20 years ago.
>>2876910They definitely grow like weed, I hate them and their stupid tubersAt least they smell good and watching the flowers going from single color to a rainbow mess later in the season is funny
>>2875147I rented a greenhouse this year. I thought I'd have more free time then I actually did but I'm making it work. I really regret not getting the irrigation setup. I've been hosing it and flooding greenhouse the trenches I dug between some of them.I'll be moving onto 40 acres in a month or two. Just in time to prep fir next spring. But no big old hoophouse there.
Hello hgm! I've been thinking of starting container gardening, simple things for now like parsley and carrots, and I'd like for some advice on buying soil.1. What to get and what to avoid. Should I try to get as high an amount of NPK nutrients as possible?2. Buy by weight or volume? May be an EU thing but some soil bags are measured in liters others in kg.I can't shake off this feeling I'm getting ripped off at stores with shoddy vegetables sold at way too high a price.
>>2876965>buying dirtNgmi
>>2876965if you live in a smaller community there might be a recycling depot that has good quality soil from compost if you need it in m^3 quantitiespeat free soil is better for the environment but sucks ass imo
>>2876965soil should be relatively inert nutritionally so dont sweat the listed npkroot vegetables like loose sandy soil (compost helps with this, not with nutrition)don't fertilize too much because carrots are light feeders that don't need itavoid soil with wood chips added because they tie up nitrogenparsley family plants bolt easily in hot climates, containers heat more than groundparsley family tend to germinate slow, a few weeks not a few days so expect that
>>2876954If one dries out, it makes for great mulch tho
>>2875200>Hopefully I can get some flowers of my own next year.Correction: I am getting flowers this year! I think
I was comparing some old photos and this thing grew even faster than I'd remembered. Good plant/10.
>>2877030Yep.Those would be flowers.Mine are still blooming. I have 20 full size fruit hanging and 2 dozen flowers in bloom.I might get more than just a pitcher of lemonade this year.
>>2877033God I'm jealous. I love passionfruit so much bros.
>>2877034Ive never been able to do anything with them because the deer usually get them all.Family wont touch them because it looks like snot.Ive gotten like 1 ripe fruit in 15 years so this year is pretty cool
>>2876910>>2876954Visited today just to take a picture. Top right behind the peppers is the progenitor of 1 additional four o'clock in the window well and the small forest of them on the left ~-6-7 including sprouts. It has survived for 13 years off of the drippings from the faucet and rain water alone. The other bushes idk as much, but regardless this family / colony has survived probably 23 years with intermittent watering.
>>2876910>>2876954And then as mentioned, the east-side ones to that I planted a month ago. It was a mystery mix of random bullshit I bought from bags of seeds on sale but I'm pretty sure three of these are four o'clocks. I made some lazy 5 minute mulch cuz I'm out of chips. These will have a micro climate by the house + the only direct sun being in the morning.Area is eroded due to bipolar schizophrenic brother digging around, I'd be willing to bet the original family was still there.
>>2876965>Should I try to get as high an amount of NPK nutrients as possibleyou'll kill plants doing that. plants can have too much nutrient just like they can have too much water>container gardeningonly do this if you don't have any actual ground to grow plants in. plants will always prefer to grow in the ground as it holds its moisture and temperature much better than a container. if you must grow in a container just know all pre packaged potting soil is basically a scam. unless you personally know an experienced gardener that uses and vouches for a certain brand, assume it's wood chips mixed with mud and you'll probably be right>by weight or volumeI can't speak to whether you will be overcharged buying one way or the other, but it's much easier to measure by volume than by weight if you are preparing your own mix (which imo you should be, just for how much easier it makes things down the line). it's a lot easier to add x amount of scoops of something than it is to weigh out an amount, especially since you'll often be working with volumes many times larger than what you can fit on your scale>I can't shake off this feeling I'm getting ripped off at stores with shoddy vegetables sold at way too high a price.honestly I can't say I've saved money growing my own vegetables, but they have certainly been better. shop bought lettuce can't hold a candle to home grown
Is doing a distilled water flush a legitimate way of removing salt build up in a potted plant?
>>2877084Doesn't even need to be distilled, just flood it several times
I was out for a bike ride today along a path I've been down many times and when I look over .... APPLES! Turns out the city has public fruit trees / shrubs in various parks. I'll have to check out the grapes and pear locations.
>>2876965see>>2876057My soil is hand made, I imported in from a nice area and 1/4" filtered it. The carrots are using soil from another years pepper box growth. Its course sandy with mixed in leaf compost. Carrots should do well in sandy organic rich low N soil.
Project Amaranth begins.>BackstoryI moved into a lot 6 years ago that the owner didn't tell me they had put some kind of chemicals in the yard that would make sure NOTHING grows. It's something people use in driveways or some shit I guess, that's what my neighbor told me at least.Even though my landlord deadified the lawn, he INSISTED that I seed and water it every single year or he'll start "fining me".>Years 1-3Absolutely nothing would grow, I spent entire summers fertilizing and seeding for nothing but weeds to grow.>Years 3-5I introduced cornflower seeds to the yard, some of them took but ultimately it was only a couple.>Year 6, this yearI grew 2 containers with amaranth "love lives bleeding" plants at the start of spring. I harvested the seeds two weeks ago. What was 50 seeds in a packet spread between 2 pots, was 1/5 of a salad bowl of harvested seeds.>I spread amaranth seeds over my entire fucking lawn>Watered heavily>They're actually sprouting at least in patchesFucking finally, this shit should help with my awful soil and it will self seed infinitely.TL;DRFuck you landlord enjoy never getting rid of these amaranth. (The red sprouts)
>>2877155hit em with the wild chicory it's beautiful and perennial
>>2877088Pretty cool.They usually just do ornamental crap to reduce maintenance.Although ive planted burr oak acorns (largest acorn in North America- theyre like a golf ball) a friend sends me from their local park
>Transplanted 4 sprigs of white sage brush 13 years ago>Completely overtakes this section of the yard and more of left unattended>It's not even good for mulch really>Doesn't even smell particularly good or strong>Fire hazard during droughtFriend :)>>2877155 #Based. Amaranth is pretty too.
>>2877177I've been growing alfalfa as mantis habitats because it grows in anything and also fuck him. Chicory is nice though. >>2877202In my experience with herbs they're better as small plants anyways, though I e never grown sage. You are correct though amaranth is pretty, here's some of the seed donors in early summer.
Cant believe theyre still blooming.Weird fruit.I have full sized fruit on the vine.
>>2877210This is white sage so it's medicinal not for cooking. It's basically a small brush.
/hgm/ i feel very stupid.I usually grow lots of banana peppers and just a few regular bell peppers but this year i decided to swap and do more bells.I have a few bonnie green bells and then 2 sets of 4 pack ones i got that have different varieties. (purple/orange/red/yellows). I know that the peppers will ripen to those colors but the purple ones came in already purple. The other 3 varieties seem to be staying green for a very very long time. In fact, none of them have ripened on the vine yet.My question is, am i supposed to be pruning them in some way? I thought i saw something about trimming the leaves above them to let in more sun, but I also get pretty much all day sun on them so I'm afraid they'll get sun scorched. Or is it just that i should keep leaving them on the vine until they do ripen?
>>2877252They’ll get there. Patience is a virtue.
>>2877252just make sure they have enough water and fertilizer. don't cut leaves to give the fruit extra sun. green peppers will eventually turn color
Chlorophyllum Molybdites the "Vomiter"
>>2877087Doesn't really work if the water source was the salt source in the first place
>>2877301It does, salts are what remains after water evaporates If you flush even using water that has some salt in it (as long as it's not anywhere close to saturation) it'll still dissolve salts and flush them out
I left my garden for 10 days, fortunately it rained and I have drip under my veggies so no losses this timeThis is from before I left, first onion harvest, 31st, I didn't have time to post back then
Second harvest of onion >>2877252Peppers are heavily weather dependent in my experience, one year you'll get a ton of them effortlessly next year they'll struggle and you'll only get a few small ones because it was cold and wet most of the time, give them time and hope for good weather
None of my weeping mulberry cuttings took so I decided to go for the final resort and air layer it, timing is less than ideal, but I hope it'll root before October, I'll try again next year if it doesn't
>>2877418After, all set in
Climbing beans are finally flowering and growing pods, took them forever this year for some reason
The final harvest of apricots for this year
I'm growing twelve 35 liter pots of sweet potatoes this year, it'll be the largest harvest I have ever had if noting goes wrong I'm trying "Covington" this year, very popular US sweet potato cultivar I bought from grocery, I have 3 pots of it
>>2877416Man I'm jelly, 90% of mine got white rot
>>2877421These are beautiful
>>2877030We did it Reddit!
>>2877550One of mine is bent on world domination
>>2877551Beautiful
>>2877418Ain't weeping mulberries just grafted on normal mulberries?(All weeping mulberries I've tasted were inferior both in taste and fruit size to most mulberry varieties that I've seen cultivated for fruits, so I never pondered how to propagate one, but grafting seems easiest to get a straight tall trunk with a weeping top.)
>>2877551How many of those blooms will actually become fruit?
>>2877611I'm merely somewhat confused that some of the taller bushes which I ate from might have been wild mulberry rather than wild blackberry.All delicious (and the season ended a month ago).At least muscadine grapes are in season. Delicious. The woods provide.
>>2877623It should be pretty easy to tell since blackberries form into a ball around the stem and have a big gaping hole where they detach, while mulberries form around a tender flower spike that runs the whole length of the berry and can't be removed, so the stem sticks out the top like a fuse.
This anon >>2876846I'm trying to plant some prairie winecup on this bed, going for CO front range wild flowers aside from the four o'clocks being the canopy. I just know the basic principals from YouTube of>Mulch good>Mix some soil with your loam>Some things are a nitrogen fixer>A shade canopy is good EctStuff like the oclocks were easy enough to start from seed, but hard shell stuff like lupin or these winecup flowers have the hard shell. There's all these guides about boiling the seeds, scarring them, soak for 10 hours, soak for 20 hours, clipping them, cold stratify right after ect. I'm not after blooms this fall, I'm just hoping my choice plants like to live there. Do some seeds have no odds of germinating of that prep work isn't done? Or would they do their own thing if they like the micro climate?Funny enough I discovered new four o'clock sprouts from last year's seeds too. So I take some seeds will do their thing when conditions are right.
>>2877634It will just take a lot longer and have a lower chance of success, which you can counteract by planting more seeds. There needs to be a mechanism in place for their needs to eventually be met, like a hard seed coat will eventually break down and cold stratification will eventually happen on its own. Some stuff like sunlight or temperature requirements are possible to miss if you plant them in completely the wrong environment, although this could be a drastic reduction or only minor depending on the species. Some seeds store really badly and so you're starting from a low viability to begin with that you probably don't want to make worse, but for what you're describing I doubt that will be a problem.It wouldn't kill you to do at least some of the recommended treatments, but I had lupines, maypops, cardinal flowers, Ceanothus, etc. all germinate no problem in trays/pots left outside for a few months with no other steps taken. Maypops won't do fucking anything until the weather is 85+, scarified or not. I have no experience with winecups but I can't find any indication that they'll fight you on this.
It was hot so most onions dried out quicklyI have 16 kilograms total after cleaning >>2877441I lost like third of them and the rest was tiny last year when it was really wet all July, this year we had much better weather for onions>>2877550Really exotic looking, never seen anything similar here
Aronia is in early ripe stage right now, I have already stripped two bushed from fruit just by taking some to eat when passing byPeople say it's bitter and astringent but I love their taste although keep in mind those are crossbred and selected cultivars like "Nero" and "Viking" really popular in Easter Europe, not wild aronia>>2877611>>2877623They are always grafted and yes the taste is merely ok, I don't think anyone cultivates those for fruits but I really like the look of them and experimenting so I decided I would try growing one without rootstock and see how it goesBest mulberries I have eaten was from a wild tree as a teenager, not even a named cultivar, I wish I was already interested in gardening back then and took some cuttings of itMy Illinois Everbearing true to it's name is still fruiting although on the tail end of the season now, it's a shame it's not as tasty as some wild mulberries though Mulberries and Blackberries are only superficially similar, blackberries have multiple perfectly round balls with a seed inside while mulberry has kind of a messy round adjacent shape
Fresh bush beans, I love them boiled>>2877634Be carful with fresh woodchips, they can stunt growth for a few months after they are applied if they are not aged first in my experienceSome guy here stated that it's because they lock nitrogen from soil if they come in contact with it, idk
>>2877674>lock nitrogen from soilthat's normally not the reason. if it were it would be easy to put fertilizer down and never worry about it.it's more that the wood gets in the soil and blocks oxygen and starts fermenting
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!FUCKING BUGS GET OFF MY PLANTS!REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>2877700if you dont have too many plants you can wash them with dish-soap and waterive tried neem oil this month but the thrips dont seem to care that much
>>2877720does dishsoap even works? i tried it on aphids and it did nothing, only combined with a bit of cooking oil it was killing aphids, but oil is aggressive to plant itselfmaybe i should try and use more soap
>>2877639Yeah fair argument to at least try some stuff. I got 25 seeds now, just need to prepare some. I mostly just got a fear of fucking shit up. I got flax planted and I enjoyed that, got 15,000 seeds for 5 bucks and you can just yeet them everywhere at that price (I used a rake).>>2877674>>2877682My city gives out free mulch and I'm using some from early June. 2.5 months old baking in the sun is probably good, no? I read it's because fresh chips will still have active microbes that will eat the nitrogen.Some space from the base, and making sure you soak when water also helps the breathing. Soaking makes airways for the roots.I actually got a small oak I decided to plant. Wasn't thriving, didn't have robust roots, ~7 inches tall in 8 months. just existing vs the others. Don't know if it's because my mom potted it with only soil, or because the chips smothered it. Either way it should have some dirt and breathing room with where I planted it. Gave it some nitrogen heavy top soil and cottonwood leaf litter mixed with the ground + underneath the mulch ring.
>>2877619A good bit but I doubt they'll ripen in time. There are probably 30-50 fruits that hopefully the coonniggers will leave alone that should ripen>>2877673How do I know when it's ripe? When it stops being very astringent and just a little? The taste is kind of like a bland serviceberry
>>2877736>does dishsoap even works?yeah, might need to do it once or twice more after the first time though
>>2877737I always thought it was because wood is a majority carbon source and actively being composted when buried, so microbes would scoop up all the available nitrogen as their population rises to eat the food source. It will still be in circulation when they die, but currently being used elsewhere. You can make sugars out of carbon but you need nitrogen for proteins so it's married to the rate of cell division. I could be completely wrong but in my head this is how it works.
Why don't we mimic the conditions of cracks in the sidewalk to grow plants?
>>2877755It's the usual theory people give but isn't what causes plants to be damaged because everything in the soil is always competing for nitrogen. Also microbes feeding on the wood can only speed up nitrogen consumption from the surface area around the wood. They would have no way to deplete the entire volume of soil available to the plant since the vast majority of soil would have no wood chip interface.People see that the plants turn yellow and understandably think it must be nitrogen but a great counter-example is the yellowing that happens when you put food scraps in the soil next to the plant. There's plenty of nitrogen released from the food. So it's really the chemical environment becoming toxic.When you put fresh wood chips into soil it turns sour (you can smell it) as it creates vinegar and alcohol which plants have no tolerance to.But the wood chips will be perfectly fine as long as they stay above the surface as a mulch and the soil stays the way it was before.
>>2877770>vinegar and alcoholI guess that makes sense. It's downstream from sugars, which they are producing and eating in vast quantities. It's better if they feed off what the plant gives them to select for the right companion microbes in the right amounts. So it is something like a toxic algal bloom happening in the soil because the wood isn't inert enough, rather than nitrogen theft.
How good are those homemade soil kits? Want to know how my pots are doing nutrient wise and labwork seems like overkill
>>2877736Soap reduces the surface tension of water so you can drown the bastards by infiltrating water into their spiracles, basically the holes they breathe from.Very effective at killing everything you manage to rinse. But leaves nothing to prevent re-proliferation, so you have to be thorough and do it as many times as it takes.
Cucamelon finally set some fruits, cold and wet June-July caused it to barely grow >>2877744>How do I know when it's ripe?There is not hard ripe line with aronia, they can stay on the bush for entire year changing taste all this time though they stop being any good in Winter, I have seen aronia with new berries while old shrivelled berries were still hanging on the plantThey very slowly dry out and get less astringent with time, one thing that makes a big difference is first frost, taste changes becoming even less astringent (not really better overall though) and they start drying out much faster after that
Finally getting some decent peppers after all this cold weather
Some anon here recommended potato beans in Spring, I got four and two of them started growing, so far it's not doing anything interesting except for vining around It's climbing next to tomato above celeriacs
>>2877792>first frostThat's at least another two months for me, I don't think they'll last that long on the bush without the birds raping them. Thanks>>2877794Apios americana? That might have been me. I found them growing wild at a park near my brother's house, I'll try to go find out if they're flowering/fruiting yet
Like seriously, how f'n long does it take for maypops to ripen?These things havent changed in a month.
>>2877801internet says a couple of months like into september or october depending on when they started
>play palworld every waking hour in-between working hours for the past month>neglect hummingbird feeder during this time>hummer buzzed me friday after work, i think he was asking where the fuck his food is>clean and replenish feeder yesterday>hummingbird buzzes me when i get home and have a toke, then gets a drinkmy bad, bro. i was doing a few things. im back to the world now
>>2877863Won't be no warnings next time.
>>2877868hummingbirds would be such a nuisance if they werent constantly looking for their next fix
Four o'clock anon, blue flax doing what is often described. Just place them and they do their thing. Haven't sown the winecups yet. I've been putting it off but I forgot I'm going camping so I'll squeeze it in. Gonna do>1/3 down no treatment >1/3 filed down and soak>1/3 do that 'ass blast it boiling hot water, shock with warm' thing and soak.If the four oclocks get big enough to shade, I want to try lupin.
And a newer pic of the four oclocks. The one I sent before was already a couple weeks old by the time I posted it. These leaves are a lot more lush than the flowering ones.
Anyone has grown Tamarillos, any thoughts or tips?
>>28780686+8 hours of direct sun. If you live somewhere chilly and you plan on keeping it in that pot, might want to make sure the window it's close isn't too chilly.I live somewhere dry and hot as hell so for me plants do every well even if they don't get direct sunlight through a window. Even plants in a north facing room do just fine. I personally would rather risk too little sun over too much if you're still getting a feel for the balance.>Too little>Move it slightly closer to the window>Too much>Leaves gets crispy I also stopped doing indoor food plants because idk how to avoid stinky mold that fruit flies love. Don't fuck up like I do there I suppose.
behold
>>2878135... my sack
>>2878068>any thoughtsIts not happy.
>>2878068But seriously...Its root bound and the soill cant hold enough water before it consumes it.20 bucks says if you pull it out of the pot it looks like this.Bigger pot.More dirt.
>>2878068My thoughts are seethe and jealousy. Godspeed.
>>2877155Update, they're growing surprisingly well in some areas.
>>2878239you were inches from being killed by a mantis in this photo just fyi
>>2878245My children would never attack me. My yard is known in the neighborhood as a mantis habitat, I get hundreds of them because of the alfalfa that grows all over.
>>2878239>>2878248For some reason the patch in the back in this picture is growing the fastest out of all of them and I'm not sure why.
>>2877673There's something so gratifying about clusters of fruit like this. It gives me goosebumps. Even if chokeberries aren't that good.
>>2878249Saw a video of a guy doing giant sunflowerss as a privacy fence. Simple stupid idea didn't occur to me until that, that you can use non-woody plants for more privacy.Much of the property I work on has either a 6ft or a 7ft fence. Giant sunflowers aren't perennial, so I did research and found that cupplants and Maximilian Sunflowers are perennials that grow 8-11 feet. Someday in the future, I think I'll do raised beds for those, of all goes to plan I'll have at least 11-14 feet of intermittent privacy flowers. Wasps also seem to fuck off when other pollinators are around too, so that would be a fun bonus.
>>2878491Look into sunchokes too if you want something that is also edible. The tubers I planted this season are already 9 feet tall. I've also never personally seen a cup plant taller than 8 feet. They usually top out around 7
I want to buy led growlights with a proper driver to kill flicker and grow roses and jasmine inside my apt. The goal is to have those flowers stinking up the place. Pot sizes is what worries me. How much space do these plants need?
I'm clearing out a flower bed and I have some kind of tree growing under a hosta. This is what I clipped off today. Any idea what this could be?
>>2878537many people will say different thingsfor me it may be black locust, for other person it will be something different
>>2878538Is there a way to get a positive ID? Or does it matter? I really just want to get rid of it
>>2878539Leaves, bark and location help immensely
>>2878542I'm assuming he wants an ID strictly from the root because he doesn't know where it's coming from. A quick list of nearby trees would probably help since you could narrow it down by how far their roots travel.
>>2878542>>2878550Northeast Ohio, a bit east of Cleveland. Picrel is growing in the neighbor's front yard relatively close by (we do not have good relations so I wouldn't even want to ask). All other nearby trees are way behind the house in other yards, at least one is a buckeye. At any rate, I will be transplanting the hosta and digging up whatever this tree is so I guess the ID isn't that important yet. I assume I'll have more to go on once I see what's happening underground. If you couldn't tell I don't have much experience with non-edible plant life.
>>2878552Not certain but it looks like serviceberry to me. Is it covered with white flowers in early spring and purple berries in June?
>>2878552Give us a close-up of the leaf so we can see the serrations and veins and stuff. And the bark.
Went to check on my maypops during a gap in the storm and a few were on the ground. First one has obviously been down for awhile. Saw a few more missing from the vines but theyve fallen into some very angry blackberries and I wasnt dressed for the occasion.
>>2876910My single plant has been doing pretty well. Lots of flowers that stay open all night and I've already picked dozens of seeds off of it. I do have three other ones coming up next to it but I don't know if they'll flower before the season is over. I never knew they smelled so nice either. It's not very strong, but it's almost more of a sharp perfume than a soft floral.
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>>2878567I made some fresh lemonade and added the maypop pulp.Havent tried it yet.
Maypop butterfly waiting out the rain storm and just chillin for some pics.
>>2878499>if you want something that is also edibleEating my fence...A brief Google search sounds like it would do pretty well where I live. The front range has such dramatic swings during the Summers and Winters. I'm looking for stuff to help anchor this backslope on top of the privacy fence idea. So I've got some space to screw around and see what grows willingly other than these gogi berries(?).>I've also never personally seen a cup plant taller than 8 feet. They usually top out around 7I hear soil depth is a big contributing factor, but they're supposedly smaller than the Maximilian Sunflowers anyway. So cup plants will be my third choice.
>>2878681Elderberry also makes a good edible living hedge
>>2878689A lot of berry bushes and small fruit trees would, assuming the climate and soil are OK for them. Elderberry is arguably more of an ornamental hedge anyway. A lot of stuff in this category has shallow roots and will need heavy mulch to stand out in the open. Pineapple guava and kumquat hybrids tend to make nice hedges and they're evergreen.
>>2878689There's plenty of that which grows here l, I've seen seen it as hedging. Personally for this big back yard, since I'm being given >Sure fuck around, fix what you wantpermission, I'm mostly fixated on the idea of how tall I can get some sunflowers / sun eaters / cup plants to grow along with the 6'6" privacy fence. This back slope is far too eroded for any planters without a raised bed at the moment, so growing any of those will be a test to see what can grow and stabilizing the slope. This back slope has a very strange combo of big shaded by two evergreens, but also getting full Southern sun before being shaded by the garage. Could be some combination of two shady for some plants, to acidic for other plants, too hot for other plants. I couldn't get flax to germinate in this soil.Still on phase 1 though, doing what I can to prevent more erosion and restoring the soil. I think in a couple of months I am going to dig some planting spots;>20 inches deep for big yellow flowers, 10 inches deep for flax>40% topsoil with hardwood bits 60% dirt>Crumble up some cottonwood leaf litter to mix deep and in surface>Border / reinforce large wood chunks for structure>Thin mulch on the inner border, thick mulch outside>Soak with watering can>Sow>Sprinkle with hay>Sticks for broken shade I also transplanted a mint that's managing (it will be a neighbor's problem before it'll be mine).
Look what I got from my friend, supposedly some kind of dwarf variant good for growing in pots
>>2878753After letting it dry out to callous I got it planted, I hope it rootsIt was tasty, quite tart but good
Late blight, tomatoes are done for Quarantined those since they got hit the worst but it's already over almost all tomatoes, it was inevitable with cold nights and rains we had recently>>2877797I don't recommend actually waiting until first frost, high chance most of them will dry out and shrivel by then and they won't be any good>Apios americanaYes, this one, it still didn't flower supposedly it's pretty late so maybe it still might
I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to flower at this time>>2878681I don't recommend sunchokes, once they are in it's really hard to get rid of them and they spread If you want to anchor your soil you want something that has roots in soil year round and preferably roots deep>>2878748Currants and gooseberries do pretty well as understory but will also grow well if you give them full sun at least in upper part of Europe, not sure just how strong your sun gets
Blauhilde climbing bean, it's late this season but at least I'm getting decent harvest out of them, I really like their purple color and flowers
First time rooting haskap berry cuttings from semi hardwoodI could have waiting until early Spring pruning to propagate and it's already pretty late in the season for propagation but I decided to give it a shoot
>>2878753>>2878755Pretty cool.Ive never had a problem getting pineapple.to root.I have 2 that should have flowered already. They werent happy so I reported them. Im hoping they'll bloom in the greenhouse this year or atleast in the yard next spring.
>>2878757Cute lupines. European currants do nicely in shady areas and they overall like moist soil and a cool climate. For a drier exposed area, a lot of Euros can use American golden currants (of RDR2 fame). There are a bunch of ornamental types on the European market but in America you mainly get Crandall and Missouri Giant, some older selections with bigger fruit. They're thornless and run a lot bigger than gooseberry bushes. Yellow flowers. Fruit ripens from yellow -> orange -> red -> coffee -> black, although the final color varies by genetics.There's not a ton of reading material on them in English, but there's more if you search in German, Polish, Russian, etc.
>>2878756My tomato plants look pitiful but the tomatoes themselves seem fine and most will be ripe soon. I'm not very upset though because I canned a bunch last year.Most of my winter squash are about ready too but I've been genociding squash bugs the whole time.
>>2878757Jealous of those lupines, I couldn't get mine to germinate.>>2878499After doing a little bit of research, the sunchokes won't be likely to grow to their full size just off of the annual rainfall here, and cup plants like a fair bit of water even compared to those too. So, for laziness appraoach, I might stick to the maxmillin sunflowers. I might still try them though. I'm confident in my ability to contain a plant but I don't want to bother if it doesn't grow larger.
>>2878756I'm surprised you were able to find those in Pierogistan, they're difficult to find here where they're native. Are they a wild type or an improved LSU type? There's also another nitrogen fixing plant that makes edible tubers and seeds, amphicarpaea bracteata, but it won't yield nearly as much as the potato bean>>2878757Sometimes they get confused by the temps and daylight hours and think it's spring. One of my lilacs and a haskap threw out a couple blooms
>>2878758do they taste good?
It's time. Time for the pawpaw festival. Tomorrow.
>>2878756I went and checked it out again. Huge patches of them and not a single flower>>2878862Still three weeks left for ours, I'm jelly
Look how dang lush this four o'clock is growing in.
Plums I'm considering turning them into wine but I have a lot of wine in storage already so I might just give them away to my relatives>>2878763I hope it does root, I wanted to have a potted pineapple for a long time but never got around to actually getting it until now>>2878777I think they are somewhat popular here in Poland indeed, I have seen them in some nurseries, I didn't know they are from America and so genetically distinct, kind of amusing they would be more popular in Europe like aronia than in the place they are fromI could plant a few instead of planting even more haskaps
Grapes also in full season>>2878813>I'm surprised you were able to find those in Pierogistan, they're difficult to find here where they're nativeThere is a hobbyist around here, he has a ton of all kinds of exotic root plants and he sells them, I got some rare potato, garlic and sweet potato cultivars, yacon, apios, sunchokes and some other stuff from him>Are they a wild type or an improved LSU type?Two were labeled as "Nutty" and two other as "Early flowering", no idea which type are those>>2878798I have been canning them for almost a month now, I have a lot more plants and some of them only have early signs of late blight so I'm still getting a decent amount
"Golden Saxa" dwarf bean planted after fava beans a bit over a month ago, I'll get at least one harvest out of it, it's really early so it's good for late planting in mid summer>>2878851They are ok, not the best I had but not bad either, I don't have that much experience with various bean cultivars but "Golden Saxa" is better and softer when boiled
Corn is looking good>>2878891I hope they'll flower before the first frost here, they still have at least a month unless we get really cold September
Days are still long and warm enough for everbearing strawberries which is why I like them so much, they just keep going, those are "San Andreas" I think but I'm not sure
>>2878928My mom had a strawberry bed for a year and all traces of it disappearedI normally plant drought resistant shrubs, trees, bushes and perennials, so how people manage fruits and veggies every year is a foreign concept to me.
My fig (var. brown turkey) needs feeding. I've seen all sorts of advice for different types of feed. Only use high potassium in spring, use a combo of x y and z until it fruits. Shit like that. My tree is in its first year, so I'm not expecting any fruit. The leaves are yellowing. What should I feed it? Will general plant fertiliser do the trick?
>>2878992I mix 20-20-20 with 10-30-20 to get 15-25-20 and use a lot of bone meal. I fertilize heavily until the fourth of July because that's the latest a fig can come out and ripen in my area, then not so heavily afterwards. Fertilizing late can mean new growth won't have time to lignify before winter
>>2877088apples will be universally destroyed by coddling moths and apple flies unless cared for and defended. there is no such thing as free apples.
I'm pretty constantly getting that cracking on some of my red medium sized tomatoes. I believe it comes from inconsistent waterings so I guess I'll have to work on that next year (but most of my other tomatoes, even the medium sizes orange ones don't have that)Next year, I'd like to get some larger tomatoes but i've been noticing that a lot of mine that I thought would be bigger aren't getting that big. They're a little bigger than a golf ball. Does anyone have recommendations for larger tomatoes that you've grown and liked?
>>2878862The property had some maypops that looked ripe so I stole and ate some that fell off the vine. I wasn't sure about the exact ripeness so I got one kinda collapsed and one still hard. All were basically the same, as it turns out. The aromas were kind of like pear or cooked apple, not very tropical. Decently sweet, left my hands sticky. Mild compared to standard passionfruits but more like middle of the road for general fruit. Not what I would put in a drink, more something that belongs in a pastry.
For some reason most of the leaves on my winter squash have died back over the bast few weeks, the main vine remains green though. Seems to be a problem for other squash growers on site as well. Should I harvest even though it seems a few weeks early? Maybe just from dropping night time temps?
>>2879145I heard for cucumbers and zucchini that letting the fruit get to full size is the signal for 'i did my job, I'll die now'. Might Be the same for others. That said, if you don't want anymore you can simply let them grow to full size.
I love my town's free mulch pile. :)
So, for the first time ever, my favas have been infested with what appears to be bean weevils (bruchus rufimanus). They are not native to where i live and have only very recently in this decade started to spread here, so neither me or anyone i know have much experience with them. Right now they affect maybe about 1-3% of my harvest. How harmful can they become at worst? I don't think they make the crop unedible or anything, but do they decrease the shelf life? I assume the affected beans won't make very good seeds? Do they only affect fava beans or are peas also at risk? What can i do about them, if anything? Are there some things i should consider with storage and crop rotation?
