Anybody full-time /out/? I'm sick of working my ass off and would rather do something part time remote and live the camping life. Is it viable? I hear some van lifers love it and some regret it and go back to normie rentoid life.
>>2875652>how do I runnaway to da woods and live like muh vidia? thread #8345234988967here we go again!
No, but basically my grandpa died and now I hike for 1.5-2 weeks then rest for 2 weeks, good luck to you if you are physically fit enough to do longer, but usually after a week of hiking im too sore and need to go home gradually. Resting is important to some degree, regardless of your youth or fitness.
>>2875652What do spastics think why humanity came up with civilization and advancements? The driving force has always been laziness and comfort. Never before has life been this easy and this comfortable. You can not have an easier life than in modern, western society.What do spastics think why people who, in the third world, still living under those conditions, work so much and hard?It is because they have to and because they have a dream: Getting out of there.Of those still living in a cabin innawoods or a dugout the vast majority wants nothing more but modern dwellings and an easy job that pays money. Only very few are contempt or even prefer it, just like only very few westoids would really want to trade their situation for the dugout.But you do you. Maybe you're the one in thousand exceptional hermit. Have fun with food insecurity, disease, exposure and what not.
>>2875652The fire is too close to the propane tanks...
>>2875752oh wow the photshop-ist / AI got it wrongalso it's not, propane tanks can take alot before something goes wrong and once something goes wrong it's not a biggie.But fires are way more gay than casuals imagine and hauling propane just to light fires anyways is even more gay.
>>2875714>just enslave yourself until you're 67 broNo, fuck that shit.
>>2875843>being expected to wipe my own ass is SlAvErY!1111
>>2875652Just move into a trailer or a house boat. The latter is very comfy
>>2875714>What do spastics think why humanity came up with civilization and advancements?Power and control over the goyim o algo
>>2875652you could just try maybe killing yourself? it's a thought!
>>2875966I am absolutely sure that people who talk like OP (the constant noise on /out/) never experienced remotely harsh conditions.Trust me, it sucks working your ass off every day and still not knowing if you will have food security and other basics of surviving, all without getting anywhere.I'd choose technology, things the economy produced and I bought and so on every day. And to have those you simply have to participate in the economy to some degree.Things like OP suggests are always either going to be very expensive or very uncomfortable. This is why most people live in a house for example: It's simply the best we have in terms of cost efficiency.
>>2875652Not in the land of free for sure.>>2875985Yeah but you have to live among the people. And western people are mostly shit people.
>>2875991True. But it's still not as if the vast majority, 99+% of people, simply got duped, is delusional and wrong and OP here got it all figured out.The modern world and it's anemities are worth it despite the society you have to put up with. An overwhelming majority of people choosing to do so and a majority of people stuck in the conditions OP wants to live wishing to get to be part of that is pretty good circumstancial evidence for the trade off being worth it.I just think this boils down to people who probably havent even spent a full month outside. The cure is probably just as simple: Some need to find out.
>>2875753Fire are nice. Fires give worth. Fires give light. Fires unite everyone in the group. I can well understand why you hate them.
>>2876034It's not about choice really. You just can't squat in the woods because it's illegal. I would gladly pay the same money I pay for my rent in the city, because you need a reliable car and a whole bunch of other expenses, to live in some secluded area so I could deal less with fucktards I have to deal every day here but the government simply will not let me do it.
>>2876062>the government simply will not let me do it.This is bullshit. Buy some land and go live on it. Gov't won't give a fuck unless you mail out bombs or some dumb shit like that.
>>2875652after this work season i'm gonna move to my car full time and do this. just gonna snowbird and west coast or arizona with the boomers in that town between the border with california.only way i can save up for something and not drain my soul.i'll still look for winter work as usual but its often serving ski snobs
>>2876063it really depends on the state.here in the people's republic of oregon, they would absolutely FIST you for that. promise.
>>2876071I squatted in an RV on my land in Oregon for 7 months while my house was being built. I had an outhouse and an electric hookup. All my meals were takeout or microwave and I showered at the gym. Did not get caught.
>>2876074huh, our neighbors (lane county, fwiw) had weekly visits from the county while they were building their house to make sure they weren't living in an 'unfinished' ag building.
>>2876074Because it's different when you're building on it. >just go buy your lad bro and build a house on it kek
>>2876062>it's illegalNot really globally. But in overpopulated first world countries. With good reason. Then again: If you do it right there won't be any legal issues in some countries where you really can get lost innawoods.>would pay>need items the economy producesThis is cherry picking. You either need to be wealthy to begin with or have a fully remote job to 'participate just as much as I want to but also reject it all beyond that'.This is not what I was talking about and it is not what these threads are about. If OP or any of the other posters had the means (wealth / job) they would just do that and in fact many people do that, it's how those mansions in the middle of a mountain range you sometimes see up for sale came to be.So what remains and what I am refering to is 'humans must have done it somehow millenia ago so why can't I?'You can. Sort of. It's just that it was a PITA back then and still is. And then there's that issue where back then maybe 100k or 1M people existed. They wwre still busy fighting over land and ressources because there really isn't that much.IMO the most accessible version of this is working seasonal jobs, odd jobs, stealing or whatever and buying bare essentials:Basic staple foods (rice, beans, cereal products etc.) Tarps to enable you to construct a roof that doesn't leak.Basic steel tools like knife.You should get there with merely a few bucks a month. But it will suck. And you might die.
>>2876071Same point:If you bought land and pitches a tent on it, or lived in a dugout or cabin, no one would ever notice let alone complain.If you start million dollar construction, drive motorvehicles in and out and all that you'll be noticed and shut down in no time.
>>2876074which region of oregon>>2876076remind me never to move to lane county. one of the prettier regions of oregon too.
>>2876097Maybe so. But I would do it part time like 6-8 month a year. I have plenty of woods around my city in California and all of it is state park or private. Heck I would do it for a couple of months even just to escape the city I would commute just for 30 minutes more to my work but I can't because the government will find me and so on.
>>2876102The government will not find you. I for example am in an area with a much denser population and while I don't do what you want to do I often sleep outside for 20 or more nights in a row - only difference being thag it's a new spot every night but that should not affect the odds. And quite often it is actually illegal as in I can cite the specific law that says I am not allowed to sleep or camp where I do.Do I get 'caught'? Yes, sometimes but only when I didn't care or was slacking for some other reason. Did it mean trouble? No, because people aren't automaton. I'll just be friendly, respect their wishes and if they tell me I need to get lost because they're hunting or logging or whatever I ask them where to go - usually I get an answer and the place is nicer ans equally not legal for camping.Back on topic: With me never being found whenever I choose my spot accordingly, if I didn't move every day, I could just stay out there indefinitely. And that is in way less favourable conditions than you have. Only that I find that terribly boring.Forest anon even put up fairy lights and all that. I hardly ever use light at night, most effective way to get some attention should someone be there. But it goes to show how stupidly vast and by comparison sparsely populated the US is.So why not just do it? Go out there, build a shack or dugout. Stay there during the fair season and enjoy. Nobody will find you. If you have the worst luck in the world and someone does chances are they dont give a fuck and if not you'll likely be told to fuck off and that's it.
>>2876117Is it not legal to camp on federal land?
>>2876119I believe it is but idk, I'm not US american nor will I ever pass through there.Where I am the state has long financed itself by selling federal land to the point where everything is private AND there is federal, state and sometimes municipal laws stating you can not camp in certain areas like river banks, forests, meadows or sometimes understandable stuff like natural reserves.
>>2876117Maybe will try that will start with short stays. Probably will need to download maps too because can't get a sell signal in most places there. I still remember how park rangers were kicking us out of the beach after dark. Parking a car where they won't put a ticket on it is a big challenge too.
>>2876146Yes, in case you didn't know: Offline maps are absolute basic neccessity for outdoors activity.>Parking a carYou want to do outdoors activity or LGBT and LARP?>kicking us out of the beachI didn't say you can choose the most public and exposed spots to camp at unnoticed.When I wind down for the night I seek something out like picrel. You'll eventually grow a mental list of things you're checking for when looking for a spot.
>>2876148real comfy
>>2876148Those beaches along hwy 1 are not really the most public places though you can see some people there during the day. I will have to find some public parking in one of the towns in the woods because I can't just haul all the stuff from my rental cage for 20 something miles. I was thinking about getting a small electric scooter that I can fit in the back of my car so I can ride it on the trails, maybe.
>>2876166Peehaps I haven't worded what I meant correctly:I mean attractive. And open.Like places people want to be. It's not like they'll comb every square foot of their shitty domain every night. They just check on the same spots that they always find "youngsters" at.So pick a spot that is not a local gighlight or peak desireable to be at and pick a spot that is rather secluded and shields you from view.I often pick woods. You learn to judge from the outside how the vegetation inside is. Usually seclusion and good (no or low) vegetation in the woods go hand in hand, if no sun gets in, especially from the south, there wont be bushes.I also like streams with steep banking. Just take three steps down there and you're out if view.Sometimes I choose the cheeky way and I just go where I am absolutely not allowed but no one would ever expect anyone to be brazen enough. Works most of the time.Also if there is existing infrastructure, like a wilderness hut or something, consider using it or staying in close proximity. >Picrel is borderline overgrown but since oddly there was not a single blackberry or stinging nettle I still went for it. I just liked the look of that one.
>>2875652Not yet, but within the month I shall be. Live has become so evil in (((capitalist))) states that I would honestly rather starve than support this evil beast. God speed to all who are alive and awake and will live outside, and may God have pity on anybody caught in a house in the upcoming months.
>>2876268meds, fast! Before you hurt yourself or someone else. Think of those who love you and take your meds.
>>2876271Unfortunately, or fortunately, my heart is not capable of love. The closest I can get is anger and hatred. But I do enjoy being alive and I guarantee I will outlive you as a nomad vs you in a cage.
>>2876272I repeat: Meds. Fast!
>>2876272this anon would wind up dying from an infected hangnail or something silly.and it would be hilarious justice.
>>2875652You dont have to ""break yourself out"" of society to enjoy yourself man. Working is just a means to get money so you can have somewhere to live and then spend the rest of it on whatever the fuck you want. I personally get one or two weekends of hiking in per month and fish on evenings in the middle of the week when i feel like going outdoors. During vacation i do longer 3-4 days or up to a week of nature time. It scratches my outdoor itch, you get tired of being fucking sweaty/cold/wet/tired after a few days anyway and start missing da bed. Get out of your mind cage and you will start appreciating your existence a bit more :)
>>2876223Do you usually cook there? I think if you want to stay stealth you can't make a fire.
>>2876284>usuallyno, not usually. Usually when I quit for the day im tired and exhausted, barely manage to do absolutely neccessary chores and maybe much something. Cooking is rarely a neccessity. But when I do I trust my gas stove to be unintrusive.Maybe when dawn wakes me. Always a good idea to get out of the sleeping bag and air it as good as you can first thing. And when youre cold asf in the morning hot coffee and a meal can be really nice.
>>2876287I forgot:I hate fires. Rarely ever doing that.It provides no warmth, only on one side, kinda. Just wear clothes instead.It puts you at risk of burning holes into textiles. You risk setting bush and forest on fire. It leaves traces, gives you away and smells.You can not go to sleep with it still going, waiting for it to be in a safe state is gay. With that it wont provide warmth when you sleep.It blackens your cooking stuff.
>>2876288Retarded
>>2876292LARPist
>>2876288Something like would suffice. If you want it to be even lighter can use those Sternos from Walmart.
>>2876299So you're too dumb to read but (presumably it's (You)) resort to calling others >>2876292?Gas stove specifically mentioned:>>2876287
>>2876300No it wasn't me. I'm the guy who asked about cooking.
>>2876299You don't have to live like a hobo bro, get an electric or propane cooktop stove.
>>2876305For a start doing short trips it will do. Like some said ITT can't live in the woods anyway.
>>2875652Any career that can be done remote makes me miserable. I have to work on physical things and that means having a permanent shop. In theory I could have my own solo business and live in the middle of nowhere if I wanted if I could come up with a few hundred grand for startup money, though, and I hope to do so someday.
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>>2875985Skill issue. Full survival is easy if you're sufficiently skilled.Civilization exists to keep retards alive.
>>2877514>Civilization exists so retards liveNo. Civilization exists because man is lazy and wants more for the same work or work less for the same production.>Survival is easy if you're sufficiently skilled.It's not a 'skill issue'. This only happens in the imagination of the LARPist brain or on dramatized TV shows. You have to be bottom of the barrel stupid and uneducated to lack the 'skill' of survival.Either way, like I said: It is never 'easy'. But perhaps you want to disclose how you came to believe it could be 'easy' to simply reject society and live as a hermit?Then again this never ending discussion on /out/ is kind of tiresome and there is never any credible argument brought fore in support of your side.
>>2876703what about a loan
