Have you ever had any close calls getting stuck in a cave?
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>>2875726This is smart
>>2875724why did zoomies have to resurrect this meme. the story was so painful to follow.
>>2875805because it's funny. he was a peak retard.
>>2875846He want peak retard the cave map was incorrect
>>2875724I've never been truly stuck before, but I have been in sections of cave where I could not get out under my own willpower. In particular, there was one moment where we had to go downstream from the convergence of two underground rivers. These rivers dumped all of the sediment in the cave to one location. This resulted in mud/silt that was waist deep and pretty much the consistency of quicksand. We had a four-person survey crew, and the biggest guy was already stuck, so I went out to go help. It took a third person grabbing on to me (while I was holding on to the big guy) and pulling in order to free us. t. Career Caver
>>2875724i went in this cave in guatemala. it was fricken wild, you had to swim from one cavern to the next underwater. only light was candleshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Q2w9iB6Xs&pp=ygUWc3VtZWMgY2hhbXB5IGNhdmUgamFrZQ%3D%3D
>>2875953the "birth canal" was supposed to be a short squeeze and instead he found himself into a long, increasingly narrow tunnel and yet he kept pushing on. When he threw himself down the hole he got stuck in it was definitely a lapse in his judgement, there's no way that he hadn't suspected that something was wrong at that point
Had a passage that I was surveying during Valentine's Day that was a bit troublesome.>Nearly a mile back into the cave, past several squeezes and obstacles>A passage ~3ft tall, ~2ft wide, at the base of a wall>Passage is in the stream and covered with mud>A true worm tube>I'm in front setting the survey stations>Instrumenteer behind me, sketcher behind them>Too narrow to bellycrawl, so we lay on our sides and push forward with our legs>No room to turn around>5 stations in, the passage slightly widens>Enough room to lay on stomach>Sketcher pauses here to draw the map>Instrument and I continue on to collect data >Station 8, passage narrows, becomes taller, and starts zig-zagging>Must contort my spine in weird angles to progress >I can no longer turn my head from side to side>Instrument taps out due to nerves and size>The passage keeps going>Only way out is to back out, blindly feeling with legs>Sketcher must crawl over instrument to pass>It is station 13>ididnthearnobell.webm>I fight for traction as I push deeper into the passage>3 sides of my body are touching the muddy walls>Feels like a human glue trap>I am no longer compelled by recreation>I will be the first to discover this shitty place>With white-out and a modified laser rangefinder, I set stations and collect data>My body and the angles of the passage muffle my voice to Sketcher>I must yell to relay the data"Station 14 to 15: Foresight 3.6; 124.7; 0.2" "LRUDs: 1.1 ; 0; .8, 2.3 " >I slither up to the 15th station>The survey device now resembles a muddy brick"15 to 14: Backsight 3.4; 204.4, -0.2">A distant shout affirms the data>Proceed>Eventually met with a slight widening>Wide enough to actually turn around>Sweet rapture>It ends in a 90° turn into a sub 2x1ft passage choked with mud and rocks>Finally, humanly impassable>Do a 360° human u-ey>Crawl over Sketcher, still drawing>Meet with Instrument, still backing out>Fully regroup at the passage entrance>Call it a day
>>2876230Going caving tomorrow morning. Another survey trip. It's along the Lake of the Ozarks and only accessible by boat so we are pretty reliant upon the water table remaining steady through the day to access past the constriction. Supposedly it goes all the way through the hillside, but I'm not so sure.
>>2875724All the cavers must be stuck and dead because there are no threads here or in extreme sports
>>2876230why
>hey look, its "Satans spiky asshole" the 2 inch wide unknown side passage that no one has ever returned from, BETTER GO EXPLORE IT>aaaaah help me im stuckcavers are the biggest darwin award winners on the planet beside divers and russian conscripts
>>2876766Typed from inside an air conditioned building in front of a gaming monitor with Cheeto dust-covered hands.
>>2875724We dropped a rope down a vertical cave in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico to help people get back out. We really should have had vertical gear, but we were told you could free climb it easy. That swasn’t true. From the entrance to where we stopped was probably about 70 ft, then there was a little ledge, then another 150ft drop. I was the last one out. We had tied knots into the rope to help people shimmy up, well one of the knots was a little too far from the other and I couldn’t reach it. I ended up having to pull the rope and “jump” for it. I almost lost my grip and if I would have fallen, I probably would have at least broken my legs, if not rolled off and gone down the 150 ft pit. Mortality isn’t a good thing to think about as you hike back to the car.
>>2876924Why would you post this
>>2876923And yet he's alive and Nutty Putty guy is dead. Curious.
>>2875977based retard
>>2875724Why didn't he turn 360 and crawl out?
only a retard would do that without a team of professionals by his side
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>>2875724No, because caving is fucking retarded. You're suicidal if you deliberately shove yourself headfirst into some hole smaller than your torso can reasonably accommodate.
>>2875726lel fpbp
I've been in a few caves before, but when it gets to the point where you gotta crawl on your belly with your backs squeezed against the ceiling I say nah you can do that, I'm gonna wait right here.Or in another one where there was part where you had to go crawl and hold your breath under water, I'm like nah fuck thatWe also found the entrance one cave while out on a hike where I could have maybe squeezed through the entrance of if I tried hard enough, but if it was this hard to get in it'd probably be even harder to get out, so nope I wasn't gonna try that either.Caves are cool but like, if it gets to the point where both you back and your front are touching a solid rock wall at the same time it's time to turn around.
>>2877462If my caving helmet can fit through it, so can I. Perks of being a skinny bastard. I like the squeezy and challenging sections of caves that require a little more contortion. It's like a full body puzzle! Sometimes you've got to breathe out a little bit in order to get to the next passage, but that is why we operate in teams to be able to assist each other through difficult sections. Here's how the pros do it. https://youtu.be/Bo0ziCjPJUg?is=ed1Gg2jj8AOUfbzdhttps://youtu.be/axzmdhwRLTc?is=HVrAllGLCi5FmgeO
>>2876230lamao what a retarded "hobby"also, how you "crawled over them" going the other way back? I thought it is barely 1 person wide? or like 1 person wide but 2 person tall or some shit
>>2877188at this moment, he knew he fucked up.
>>2877188not real pic of himthis >>2875846 is.
>>2877879>Station 8, passage narrows, becomes taller, and starts zig-zagging Don't worry, you didn't have to tell me that you have no reading comprehension. I was able to figure it out by your post alone. It's not a hobby, I'm paid for this shit. Stay assmad, couch potato.
>>2876391For the same reason that people want to go to outer space or the bottom of the ocean. There's cool shit out there, and only certain kinds of people have the stones to go out and experience it. I cave because these are beautiful and fragile ecosystems that need to be understood by mankind, and they will never be understood unless there is someone to go explore them.
>>2875724yes. I used to cave a lot in indiana, great limestone caves. there was a one way micro tunnel that did a U and I tried to send my gf down, she was too afraid despite being 2/3 my size. I ditched everything but my helmet and went through. it was small enough my head had to be sideways with the helmet and at one point only the fact that I have pretty severe pectus excavatum (dip in my sternum) let me bend through the last part (way past being able to go backwards) without damage. It wasn't long but it was tight enough that looking back I could have easily had a real problem and it was just me and her. I get chills thinking about it now that I'm not a stupid kid anymore.
>>2877922There isnt jack shit in those tiny tunnel caves broThe ones that host such biomes are massive
Not to mention all the destruction caused by the exploration Every time one of you goobers gets stuck they drill and blast the caves to rubble trying to get your dumbasses out, then fill the fucking things with concrete so your dumb ass corpse can rot alone by itself.
>>2875724Does it count that I got stuck in a clothes chute once? I was real scrawny and flexible as a kid so it was a party trick to fit through small passages. Tried to show off and take the clothes chute to the basement but my arms got trapped almost immediately. I refuse to do narrow shit anymore.
>>2876020is there a 3d map
>>2877927Disagree. You'd be surprised of the passage conditions that some bats would be willing to go through to reach their roosting locations. Additionally, stream life like isopods, amphipods, crayfish, and sometimes actual fish can be found in some of these passages.>>2877928You have made an over generalization based on one instance of a caver getting stuck. What happened to John Jones is an exception, not a rule. It is our job to leave as little of a trace as possible in our exploration, and to ignore that fact is poor form. It is what makes the difference between organized and disorganized caving. If we are there to explore and document the ecosystem, then of course we are going to work as hard as we can to avoid damaging said ecosystem.
>>2875724Kept bumping the sides of this cave but never was really in danger.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxBFiRCULuk&t=50(not me in the video)
>>2877964ActionAdventureTwins' videos are mega cringe. They will be the dumbasses to get themselves killed and subsequently enact further caving restrictions due to their carelessness. Any knowledge on ropework, rigging, and SRT makes this readily apparent. There is a reason that they are widely shunned from the organized caving community.
I honestly dont understand how this rescue failed.>go to nearest harbor freight.>buy generator, compressor, air chisel and all the air hose they have.>carve out the ledge at his ankles>pull him outThe compressed air from running the air chisel is going to blow all the dust away from the rescuer and stuck dumbass so breathing wouldnt be that big of an issue. Pretty sure thats better than just being left to die in a hole. And whats it going to take, an hour? 2 on the high end? We're not talking about excavating a collapsed building. All they had to do is widen a hole that the guy literally already fit through. Ive chiseled apart an entire chimney in an hour, brick by brick.
>>2877988Dubs wasted on low intelligence. Where do you think the debris from chiseling is going to go? He was in a vertical shaft with his head going downwards. Gravity exists. How are you going to pull him out if there's a bunch of fucking gravel surrounding him that can't be reached by any of the rescuers to be removed?
i haven't done any real speology with ropes and such but once i was in a pretty horizontal cave where you can just walk, like 1km long or so, and it formed into a stream at the bottom but i tried not to get wet so went stepping only on the edges and eventually i was basically climbing with one foot on each wall and using my hands against the walls and so on, it was fun and at some point i must have slipped and from one instant to the next i was head down with my shoulder stuck against a wall, my arm under water, and my legs against the other wall, and completely dark because my headtorch had turned off with the impact, and it was one of the biggest adrenaline hits i ever had. then i managed to free myself wihtout getting too wet, but later i ended up just stepping inside the river so as not fall againi remember that day very fondly, back then i had only recently started going /out/ and it was a really good adventure. that whole cave had lots of other great moments, i will mention the one that was actually dangerious, at one point towards the entrance i didn't find the way so i tried a high ledge to get over some boulders but it was shit and not even stable, i stepped on a big half formed stalagmite that broke a bit and my feet was this close slipping completely, and at the very least it would have meant broken legs in a cave alone with no phone service
>>2877989Its not dynamite.You could literally put your hand on the ledge, crack off a piece and hand that chunk to the rescuers behind you.Ive used an air chisel to shave down concrete like I was carving a statue out of a block of marble.Conversely you could have draped a tarp over him and the hole so nothing fell in and carved out the ceiling at his feet.
>>2878042Okay dude. We'll be sure to call upon (You) and all your harbor freight conkcreet sculpting experience the next time someone Nutty Putties themself in a tight spot. You clearly know more than any trained cave rescuer. You should look up the National Cave Rescue Commission and tell them how they REALLY should have done it.
>>2878074Tell me.What DID they do to get him out?
>>2878075To start, the main challenge was a constriction less than a foot tall and about 18 in wide roughly 6 ft behind John. Following this constriction was a 90° turn before the vertical crevice and John's feet were accessible. Several sets of bolts were placed directly above the vertical shaft that John was in and at the 90° turn leading to the constriction. These bolts were used as redirects in order to rig webbing around John's knees to begin pulling him out. The haul attempt used a compound 5:1 mechanical advantage system using 11mm polyester rope alongside swivel pulleys, prusik loops and Rescucenders for the redirects and progress capture devices. The next challenge was the poor rock quality leading to some of the bolts pulling out of the rock and allowing John to slip further down into the crevice.The constriction and risk to the patient made it to where rock hammers were not a feasible solution, although it WAS attempted. The restriction of the passage made it to where rescuers simply could not get a good angle on the tool for it to be effective. Even so, an additional concern was that pulling an already unconscious 210 lb patient over and across jagged rock would lead to several broken bones and multiple lacerations. These injuries could not be effectively treated in time within the restricted passage. Our goal is to extricate the patient in as good of a condition as possible, but if the patient has already passed, and the most viable options have already been exhausted with no signs of progress, then what are you supposed to do? If he were conscious, then perhaps he could have bent his legs sideways into the wider section of the crevice, but this in itself would have been a challenge for him in his state. There was not enough space nor strength available for sub 150lb rescuers to retrieve him. No one can blame them for that given the circumstances.John was a caver just like the rest of us. He made a mistake, as humans do. May he rest in peace.
>>2878100This image shows a decent representation of John's position within the passage.
>>2878100Thats some pretty weak ass shit.>we couldn't dig him out because the rock was crumbling.>couldn't get a good angle on (hand) tools.>we didnt want to injur him so we left him to die.And yes, ive read it before I just didnt feel like looking it up..>Dude was a dumbass.>"Cave" was shit and should have been sealed long before.>"Rescuers" were pussies in way over their heads.It was a catastrophic shitshow from start to finish.
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>>2878139>cant prove anything I said as incorrect
>>2878140Neither of us were there, so neither of us have the full story. I'm not going to attempt to prove your opinions wrong, because I believe it to be a fruitless endeavor to change what will always be subjective outside of the people who experienced it firsthand. Your opinions are yours, but it was my intention to add my two cents based on my own personal experiences in cave rescue. Despite the structure of your comments intended to incite, I will not argue with (You), and I will discuss the topic no further.
>>2878172>neither of us have the full storyTheres actual fucking BOOKS about the event.We know what happened.And it was pathetic
>>2878172And yes, ive read a lot of the the bullshit>we didnt want to break his legs because the (theoritical) bloodloss could have killed him so we just left him to die...
>>2878191>Google AI overview screenshot>More perditious opinions>Claims of reading external sources despite no real affirmation of factual evidenceThat's all I really need in order to know that this conversation will go nowhere with (You). This is coming from the same person who implied that rescuers didn't use a compressed air hammer, btw (and they did). Shiggy diggy. Shiggiest of diggies. Why don't you take a read of the firsthand account from the rescuer who was with John in his final moments? Here, I'll even spoonfeed you and provide one of my sources! Bonus points if you actually read it before coming back here to post. https://www.brandonkowallis.com/the-nutty-putty-cave-rescue-the-death-of-john-jones-one-rescuers-perspective/
>>2878191Anon, there is a difference between killing someone and letting someone die. Its an easy choice to make here and now, for you, but maybe you wouldnt think so if you were really there.
>>2878198From your link:>After an hour and a half we had only knocked off about a 18” x 4” section of rock on the ceiling and on the groundSo basically he was a little bitch that "got tired of".How many "18x4" in "an hour and a half" would you do if it was your mother?Hey no big deal. Wasn't his life.>Sorry dude, just gonna concrete your ass in because this is hard...
Back to our regularly scheduled caving discussion, has anyone ITT had any experience with cave survey? Tomorrow I will be heading out to a spring cave that'll have us fully immersed in 55°f spring water for the day. I'm thinking it's going to be a double wetsuit kind of day. The other sketcher had to back out so I will be the one compiling the data and drawing the map itself! I am told that further back into the cave there is a prolonged low airspace (one foot or less) that requires one to float on their back and go one at a time to minimize splashing. We've been waiting all year for the driest part of the season to tackle this one, so it shouldn't be THAT bad, but it's still gonna be a hell of a doozy keeping our survey books and instruments dry-ish. Supposedly it opens up into a room with formations, but since the passage is unmapped, that remains to be verified. Will report back with what we find.
Today, I got to attend a state park-led training on cave biology where we learned about the different bats located within the cave in the park, identifiers of their various communication profiles on digital amplifiers, and taxonomic features to identify which genus or species we may encounter. It was a good day! I even got to feed one of the little bastards!
>>2878272Another pic
>>2878272That's so cool anon
>>2878276(You) can do it too, Anon! The National Speleological Society has caving organizations called grottos all across the United States! It is very easy to figure out which grotto is closest to you on their website www.caves.org. All grottos that I have come across are happy to take interested folks on their first couple of trips before asking that they join in membership. Dues for my grotto are a measly $15 a year which is crazy considering some of the opportunities afforded to members. Usually, they will also have free loaner gear for you to borrow on your first couple of trips so that you do not have to make that investment yourself. I know I sound like a major shill right now, but for the 1% of you who might actually look into it, I think you will find it to be a very rewarding experience. The cohesion within the caving community is unlike any other organization that I have been a part of.
>>2878278It is through the National Speleological Society's (NSS) Vertical Training Commission and National Cave Rescue Commission that I acquired my vertical work and cave rescue certifications. It is through the Cave Research Foundation that I learned how to survey caves. The work down there is hard, but there is nothing more satisfying than seeing your name on a map, or using your skill set to assist another caver in need. Caving gave me purpose through the conservation, exploration, and education of these amazing natural wonders.
>>2878199perhaps the correct thing to do is to kill everyone including yourself so the train becomes irrelevant
>>2877188is that ted the caver
>>2878271It was a successful day of survey! We did happen to reach our designated "out" time before we hit the true low airspace. The lowest that it was today was 10" of air with about 1' to 1 1/2' of water to crawl through. It has yet to hold the record for the worst low airspace that I've experienced, but I reckon I'll have to wait until I return from the next trip out there in order to say that definitively.
>>2878352I even had the chance to grab a timestamp!
>>2878352wad if you're paper gets all wet and stikky?
>>2878446We use a special kind of paper by the brand "Rite in the Rain" to prevent the paper from becoming waterlogged, otherwise that would be a huge issue. The main constraints when using the special paper is that if it gets too muddy then the paper is unusable, and the protective coating makes erasing a bitch. It's just an incentive to keep the book clean and make no mistakes when sketching the map!
>holy shit its ANOTHER tunnel with even MORE rocks
>>2877922>I cave because these are beautiful and fragile ecosystems that need to be understood by mankindBro is talking about a washed out hole in the ground like he is on the verge of discovering Atlantis or what constitutes dark matter lmao like nigga what? one day you may die and provided your death was retarded enough the only tip of that hat you're going to get from the public at large is the painful recognition of how much your "stupid ass" suffered.
>>2875724I've never heard of a black man getting stuck in a cave or falling of a mountain, nigga druids got 18+ wisdom
>>2877935There is a virtual reality caving game with a fully playable 3d map of Nutty Putty, which is pretty fun. So there's definitely a standalone 3d map that has to exist somewhere.
>>2877017Nutty putty guy was a couch potato retard that just so happened to find himself in a cave.
who will star him in the movie
>>2877922>these are beautiful and fragile ecosystems that need to be understood by mankindYeah these beautiful and fragile ecosystems would like it a ton as your filthy boots track in contaminates and your dirty body scrapes the thin biofilm off the cave walls bro.
