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>need to replace broken spinner
>want to get a baitcaster
>already know the birdnesting is gonna drive me up the wall
>keep looking anyway
God I hate my autism

>>2880677
Adjust the spool tension knob, adjust the braking and keep practicing. After spending some time with a baitcaster it becomes a non issue.

>>2880679
Right, you do this per lure right, how is it to throw a baitcast when it's a bit windy? Since I know it's a complete non issue with a spinning

>>2880682
I do. I basically the tension so the lure I have tied on drops somewhat slowly if you let it free spool and drop to the ground. I haven't had any issues in the wind.

>>2880684
That's good to hear, last thing but can you pull off casts with 2-5g crankbaits? Mostly have the lighter stuff laying around and I don't wanna toss it

>>2880685
A more finesse oriented baitcaster might be needed for those lures.

>>2880687
>It really depends on the baitcaster you get and how light the spool is.
I'm mostly eyeing rods with a length of 1,98m and that clock in at 5-30g so to speak
>>2880688
Suggestions? (EU)

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first time I went out casting a fly rod, weather was absolute dog dick windy, yet somehow I managed to land the fly in the water once or twice (not too far though)

(rant) I have 100s of irons, and now I'm so over throwing irons. I only throw stickbaits now.

Rant: I haven’t caught a fish in 2 weeks and I might blow my shit off

>>2880715
Wtf is an iron? You're not throwing golf clubs at fish, are you?

>>2880729
I think he means surface irons like a salas.

>>2880724
Get a UL setup and some micro jigs and start slaying panfish. This is the move

>>2880715
For some reason I never catch shit on plugs no matter how many times I try, tutorials on how to use them I watch, or downsize. It feels like their use is extremely situational, meanwhile I can chuck metals or finesse soft plastics all day and hook up or get bit 9 times out of 10

>>2880735
I do need an UL rod I have a reel full of 4lb with no home

>>2880739
Noice. Make sure the reel balances well with the rod before you buy it. As a general rule of thumb 6 ft ul rods pair nicely with size 1000 to 2000 depending on the build

>>2880741
Oops it’s a 3000 but it was such a good deal I had to get it

>>2880677
>memecaster
don't

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Are all telescopic rods a meme or is there a use-case? doing some backpacking in a month and it feels like the best option.

>>2880756
get one, they are extremely handy

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>>2880756
Far from a meme. Just know their limitations. They will readily snap if you go past their tolerance and aren't nearly as durable as a solid rod. So don't 90 degree bend it to brute force unsnag, or go after river monsters with a 6/0 hook.

I've got a 6'6" Abu Garcia (picrel), with a 2000 size reel on 10lb line, that I've comfortably used to catch smaller Murray Cod (~45cm), decent 3kg+ Carp, and a whole range of other freshwater fish.
Fits comfortably in a backpack, and if you're worried it'll snap, just carry a backup telescopic rod. They take up fuckall space and weigh nothing.

>>2880752
Feel free to redpill me on why it's a bad choice, cause if anything they look too modern and sleek for my taste (even though aesthetic has 0 fucking value, it's about it feeling good to use)

>>2880766
NTA but they're just a bit convoluted and temperamental imo and require an experienced angler that can regulate weight properly, etc. Too light on your cast and you could birds nest it. They do offer good precision and can cast in tight spaces, which is the bonus.

If you want simple and oldschool, try to get your hands on an Alvey if you haven't already. Pretty satisfying to use at the beach

>>2880769
I'm aware they're convoluted, but am I correct saying that when you regulated the weight of a specific bait you can just easily cast it over and over without fear of birds nesting? Or do you constantly adjust even then because of the wind and such?

Sounds good, but I'm mainly fishing small and big rivers in land, got any recommendations for old school spinner rods if there aren't any old school baitcasters in that case?

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I caught some nice little wild rainbows up at my mountain creek. Nice day, beautiful weather.

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Friendly reminder that small game is now open so you need to put your rods away for a few weeks to go fill your freezer with something other than dink largemouth fillets

>>2880775
Can confirm tree rat season is open

>>2880775
the thing is owning a rod don't have the same paperwork as owning a gun outside of the US
otherwise i'd go for boar straight
pike is great meat tho

>>2880777
Air gun?

>>2880778
i don't have an invasive squirrel problem in my region, there's barely enough of them for owls and foxes
outside of ducks and hare i don't think we have small game hunting, mostly deer and boar

>>2880779
Big bore air gun

>>2880780
pretty sure it isn't paperwork free either, otherwise it would be a thing for poaching, pretty sure laws are on the power of it and not the tech, so anything that can pierce the skin of a board need paperwork regardless
european gun laws are cucked
anyway, i still have carp in the freezer
wanted to try because elders used to eat it, made a bit of research and turn out it got imported during antiquity into europe from asia by the roman empire for the purpose of pisciculture

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>>2880756
The only meme is NOT having one

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Did someone order up a coastal cutthroat on a chubby Chernobyl caught on a collapsing rod?

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Pls say something nice about my first coastal cutty

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>>2880834
Trout are beautiful fish, nice catch m8.

Caught a nice Aussie Salmon off the beach in the rain. As is tradition, rod went off right around the time i was thinking of packing up and going. Put up a good fight too, jumped out of the water several times.
Photos a bit shit but it was raining and i just wanted to scale and gut him quickly. Seagulls had a good feed of guts.

Tonight, I'm naming him dinner. Tight lines lads

>>2880770
To be honest m8 you could certainly use an Alvey for river fishing, you'd just get a smaller estuary rod & reel as opposed to the massive surf ones. Really simple action once you get used to it and they take a lot of abuse. Got dirt in the reel? Dunk it in the water to clean it off with no issue. They're somewhat pricey, but a worthwhile investment imo. Had my surf rod and reel for almost 10 years and it works as good as the day I got it

As for baitcasters, yeah they can be quite wind sensitive if your weight isn't heavy enough. I haven't used them for lure fishing, but I'd imagine you'd want to be extra sure to keep linetwist in check. Other anons can probs give more info on baitcasters, bc I honestly haven't used mine much. 95% of the time it's either a spinning or Alvey for me

>>2880848
>To be honest m8 you could certainly use an Alvey for river fishing, you'd just get a smaller estuary rod & reel as opposed to the massive surf ones. Really simple action once you get used to it and they take a lot of abuse. Got dirt in the reel? Dunk it in the water to clean it off with no issue.
Honestly you got me interested, no clue if I will be able to find and purchase one in the EU but I will certainly look into it.
>As for baitcasters, yeah they can be quite wind sensitive if your weight isn't heavy enough
Yeah, that part just sucks, I just want to have a fishing rod that can be taken outside in 99% of the weather circumstances, so I will probably either end up with a spinner or an Alvey if I can somehow find it.

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>>2880849
I had a look on the Alvey site and they've got a decent combo deal for their simple 40GDZ reel. It's 80AUD which is about 50 euros. Might be worth seeing how much shipping would set you back, as they ship international.

It'll take up to about 5kg line and comes with a 1.5m rod, so it'd be perfect for freshwater rivers or lakes. You can buy the reels on their own and they'll technically fit on regular rods, but I'd recommend getting an alvey rod. As the first guide is further up the rod and they're also further spaced apart, which helps immensely with smooth casting. I tried my alvey reel on another spinning surf rod when fucking about, and it was pretty janky.
>40GDZ vs 40GZ
I saw they had a 40GZ combo too, but i wouldnt get that. It doesn't come with drag adjustment/anti-reverse.

A couple of quick tips with an alvey if you end up getting one:
>You generally want to have one of your fingers (on the hand holding the rod) to guide the line back onto the spool when reeling in. This helps it distribute evenly back onto the spool. Becomes second nature after a while.
>Don't use braid, because of the aforementioned guiding of the line with your finger/s. I use low stretch mono

>>2880855
Thanks anon, not too awfully expensive at least minus the possible shipping cost
Appreciate the extra tips, I am going to look further into this, sounds mighty interesting so far tho, crazy Aussies

Good/bad idea to add little red dots or other colors/patterns on your hard lures with acrylic paint? I realized the red dots on my old Professor had come off and I redid them with acrylic paint I had lying around (Tamiya paints for scale models). I just wonder if it like smells repulsive to the fish and if there's a benefit to decorating my other lures with various colors/finishes.

How hard am I fucking myself over picking up a 5.1:1 instead of a 7.1:1 baitcast reel for all-round fishing?

>>2880860
Depends on how adhd you are and if you fish more moving presentations or finesse presentations. If you're super adhd and do a lot of slow presentations the slower gear ratio will help a lot, but if you're not jittery its going to make moving baits like crankbaits, spinner baits, whopper ploppers, and swimbaits a lot of work. For me, even just dropping from a 7.whatever to a 6.whatever makes moving baits feel like a lot more work.

>>2880863
So to be it simply, the lower the gear ratio, the harder you are cranking to reel the line in? Thats the only real difference between ratios?

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Hi everyone,

I grew up fishing with my grandfather.
But I haven't fished much in the last number of years.

I am will be going to a cottage in Ontario on a body of water called Lake of Bays.

Assuming I have no fishing tackle, what would you guys recommend as the foundational tackle/lures/soft baits for me to buy to be able to go and fish for bass and pike on this body of water?

Assume I have rods and reels. And we will have a small aluminum fishing boat to use with a motor and a basic 2D fish finder.

I will be the only one in the group whose fished before and so I want to make sure we can catch some fish as a group to make sure we have some fun.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>2880866
>fish for bass and pike on this body of water?
>Assuming I have no fishing tackle,
>foundational tackle/lures/soft baits
If you have nothing and just want to catch fish with gramps, just use live bait. I hate bobbers, but I'd recommend a bobber, split shot, and a bare hook. I also would recommend jigs: 1/16, 1/8, 3/16.
If you want to fish artificials and keep it really simple, get VMC screwlock jigs (called Hybrid Swimbait Jigs) and get Keitech Fat Swing Impact 3.8". If you don't have that nearby, get something comparable. I would also recommend getting 3 5" YUM Dingers: 1 light, q bright, 1 dark. Get some big whacky hooks #1 is too small, and get something like an O'Whacky tool. Be sure you can cut the line, have a net, and pliers. I recommend getting heavy fluoro for the pike, like 80 lb. If that's not feasible, get a metal leader instead.

>>2880864
Its not harder as in it requires more force, its harder as in it takes more turns of the handle to move a certain amount of line, and constantly cranking as fast as you can gets old really fast.

>>2880866
Lake of bays is a tough fishery, very highly developed shore line and also it's fuckin huge with tons of nooks and crannies. I've fished it half ass for years but I'm nowhere near figuring it out. There are pike but I've never successfully caught one. Bass are good but because it's oligatrophic very hard to find them on the big wide rocky shallows.

If it was me I'd bring spoons and some kind of diver for trout, large gold spoons for pike and some kind of crankbait you can troll, because chances are you will need to cover a lot of water to find anything.

>>2880866
>Assuming I have no fishing tackle, what would you guys recommend as the foundational tackle/lures/soft baits for me to buy to be able to go and fish for bass and pike
inline spinners are the more versatile and easy to use, other than that soft plastics on a jighead, i prefer jigheads because it's single hook and is easier to remove and do less damages, but it can be tricky to put the plastic properly on a hook for a beginner
you want leaders for pike, steel or fluoro but steel can kink so fluoro might be better for beginners
if you're feeling like using more complex stuff look up the carolina rig, same idea but use a different hook and an inline weight
you want pliers to unhook and a wire cutter with first aid just in case
a large net for pikes
i use 3/0 double hooks for livebaiting but maybe your group should stick to artificial baits to begin
a few split shots maybe?
>I will be the only one in the group whose fished before and so I want to make sure we can catch some fish as a group to make sure we have some fun
make sure they have the basics and gear ready if you don't want to spend all the time redoing or undoing knots or have to babysit them in any shape and form

>>2880670
I now have a gumby fetish.

>>2880867
>>2880871
>>2880872
These posts are extremely helpful, thank you guys.

So I have 20lb braid on my reels and usually tie on a swivel, then use a 12in 50lb monofilament leader with a snap at the tip. Then just usually use the snap to quickly put on new lures etc. Is this ok or am I going to be discouraging a lot of fish by biting by doing this?

I noticed nobody recommended any top waters (frogs, whopper ploppers etc) it any buzz baits or similar. Are these a waste of time on this Ontario Waters this time of year?
Usually I just go around the edges of the water looking for cover, and cast there looking for hiding fish. Is there a better strategy?

>>2880871
>>2880883
The only cover you will find is docks. Not knowing exactly where on the lake you are, you will probably have little to no vegetation in the water, and very few overhanging trees.

Top water is pretty much guaranteed skunk, but of course you can try you may get lucky.

Best bet really is trolling. Your rod and line setup is fine but overkill, you're much more likely to get bass than pike so 20lb leader is tons, but if you want the security of 50 it probably wouldn't hurt. I definitely wouldn't finesse though the fish grow big in this system and you may need to get their attention from way off.

>>2880887
>The only cover you will find is docks
Shit, ok guess I will be trying to cover lots of docks then.
And we are near the south most edge but are there for almost a week so plan to explore all parts of it.

Good to know top water may be a big waste of time.

I have never trolled before, it obviously doesn't seem as enjoyable as casting towards cover hoping for a bite.
What would you use for trolling? A crank Bait? And how deep and at what speed would you recommend?

>>2880883
>So I have 20lb braid on my reels and usually tie on a swivel, then use a 12in 50lb monofilament leader with a snap at the tip.
sound good, unlike anon i don't think 20lb braid is overkill, i use bigger for pike, braid is pretty thin anyway, you just need to replace the mono with 80lb fluoro and you're good, mono will get cut by pike teeth, i tie them myself but you can buy leaders already made
about the fluoro, we're giving it to you in lb but here the actual diameter matter just as much, it's not about weight but about not getting cut, my fluoro is 0.9mm and that's considered minimum for big pikes, note that it's a pain in the ass to tie something this large and rigid, i prepare them beforehand
>Then just usually use the snap to quickly put on new lures etc. Is this ok or am I going to be discouraging a lot of fish by biting by doing this?
pike will bite anything that move regardless, not too sure about bass but i don't think it's very picky either
>I noticed nobody recommended any top waters (frogs, whopper ploppers etc) it any buzz baits or similar.
mostly a meme, i got a frog because i found the idea funny, never got anything on it, stick to simple and efficient stuff
deadbaiting from shore is also an option if you have a reel with freespool feature like some carp reels, pikes have good smell
>Usually I just go around the edges of the water looking for cover
underwater ledges, underwater grass patches, any place it can ambush, pikes are an ambush predator, sometimes pikes like deeper places, sometimes in shallow waters to get some sunshine, depend the weather and time of day

>>2880756
If you're using bait sure, but for lures I get a better feel and control with travel rods

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Are waders a meme
But if they aren’t a meme should I even bother with cheap ones or just wait for nice ones on fb marketplace

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Caught 3 snappers jigging off the dock before I snagged my jig

>>2880906
Sounds like a fair trade

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Practicing knots again, with my sips. Imma show off my tackle box, for lulz... Going clockwise:

2: Utility box: hooks, sinkers, beads, snaps/swivels, floats.

5: Jig heads and small plastics, mostly tubes.

6: Power bait eggs, in white/yellow/orange, garlic scent. Ancient UV Smelly Jelly.

8: Spinners, spoons, kastmasters, joes flies, pistol petes and the odd road runner underspin.

11: Micro-worms/floats, and jig heads. 99% trout magnets, with the oddball Black Creatures.

Snagged a 4 pocket Okeechobee FATS bag from wally world, fits my wants at present.. the ozark trail chest rig is too small, the lunkerhunt pack is too big, and this dude is kinda inbetween.

Im gunning for whatever I can catch; including trout, salmon, bass, walleye, catfish. My box should be sufficient for casual bank angling (lack of slip floats aside), but I must wander and hone my technique.

>>2880903
Dunno, hip waders let me get out and away from bushes n shiet. Cheapos should be fine, if they keep you dry. Try em on if you can, better to go a bit bigger so you can dress appropriately.

For summer use, theres bound to be a manufacturer that does wetsuit waders... You wont be dry, but you wont be cold either

>>2880903
When you're fishing rivers and streams, there are times and places where the best cast angle is up and down stream. The best place to make that castis from the water. You can wet wade, especially in warmer water. But in cold mountain streams, there are only certain times of the year that wet wading is appealing. For the rest of the year or when to just want to stay dry, that's where waders step in. I like Paramount, they're a good mix of decent quality and price. You don't want to buy used waders, they probably leak, which is why they're being sold.

>>2880906
I fucking love bluefish

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Babby's first Pitzen knot

Anyone have a good visual guide on how to tie a dropshot with the hook facing up every time? No matter how many times I try it comes out facing the wrong way almost every time and it's driving me insane.
And before you suggest pre-tying them that's not an option for me as I prefer to be able to carry myself in a pitch on the water and don't like pre-tied rigs since they always end up tangling and creating a mess

>>2880918
Beautiful tackle porn.

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>>2880960
get picrel, dropshot knots arn't that strong due to the angle a which the force is applied

to the anon asking about baitcasters... I've made a long post many threads back about how to properly understand and learn. describing what to do depending on what part of the cast your line blows up... but long story short, 99% of baitcasting tutorials give bad advice because they tell you to do something that goes against the mechanics of a baitcaster and it's something that you will literally never use after you get past the first steps. it's pointless to do and it's a crutch that causes you do have bad habits. that is, setting the spool tension tight. you shouldn't do this, even when learning. the entire point of the brakes is to control the spool, the tension knob is designed to be a "set it and forget it" that is only really there for manufacturing tolerances. that's why higher end daiwa reels have the tension knob tuned from the factory and they suggest just leaving it. you want extremely minimal side to side play in the spool, that's it. if you tighten it any more, you have too much resistance at the start of the cast, which forces you to cast harder, which in turn is a bad habit that you will have to UNLEARN once you loosen the tension later. casting is all about smoothness. jerky casts will blow up spools. you simply set a spool for as minimal side to side movement as possible, just enough where you can almost barely feel it at all. everything else is done with brakes. start with them maxed out or at like 75% then work your way down over time. get good at side casts first, because overhead casts have different release points than with spinning rods, so they will go straight to the ground and blowup the spool if you do them when you're learning. when you do get to them, release much earlier than you normally would, almost waiming to cast straight up at the sky, then slowly refine it. also, even once you get good, the most common cause of backlash is if you hit somethings with the lure when casting, like tall weeds. watch what's around you when casting.

>>2880960
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_eO_fEV3cA

>>2880960
You tie it on however then put the tag through the eye to make the hook point upright

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>>2880986
>>2880960

>>2880860
none at all potentially. if you are an adhd sperg that reels too fast anyways, it will help you slow down. the lower gear ratio actually has advantages, like requiring less power to turn the knob. you notice this with baits that have a lot of resistance like deep diving crankbaits for example. I reel high speed reels way too fast, so I intentionally choose slower reels. it's all a matter of personal preference

>>2880860
I actually prefer gear ratios from the 5:1 to 6.2:1. It's better for finesse applications as it keeps the baits in the strike zone longer

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Girls night!
These feathers ive had over a year and not tied with because they're not properly white, its hard to see in the pic but they're light barred whatever-the-fuck and i cant get my autism to get over it and tie with them

>>2881048
And, much to my delight, it seems to have worked! Whiting grows some amazing birds but whoever they have in charge of colours sucks. I bleached them for maybe 20 minutes then washed them clean, and treated them with conditioner immediately after, rinsed them clean again, then dried them by hanging them off a running box fan. They dont seem to have become brittle or picked up any weird smells, cant wait to tie with them.

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>>2881051
>>2881048
Fugg forgot pic

>>2881002
>>2881020
Thanks, I actually wouldn't mind being forced to take things a little slower, and I realize how cringe this sounds, I also want a reel that is more old school round looking one rather than some futuristic car shell

>>2881070
Yeah man NTA but to give you some context, I've got several alvey reels and one of them is literally a 1:1 gear ratio. I still use it lure fishing sometimes, it's good with a metal spoon that benefits from a slow and steady retrieve.
5:1 is absolutely still plenty fast imo. It's like with a car, do you need a sports car that can go from 0 to 100 in seconds, or a 4x4 ute that's strong and sturdy?
If you reel too fast with certain lures/jigs the fish will basically see some alien flash for a split second and have no time to react to whatever the fuck just flew past them

>>2881051
What conditioner did you use?

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>>2881088
This stuff

>>2881092
Is that just any conditioner or one recommended for this purpose?

>>2881102
Its definately not soecially formulated to keep feathers soft, its just what i had in my shower. It worked really well but i think any conditioner would work fine.

>>2881092
is that your boyfriend's?

>>2881111
No that one is mine but he has another jar in his shower

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got my first fish on the fly today

>>2881134
That looks like a pretty solid shiner congrats anon

>>2881134
Good shit anon, nice catch!
With some luck the weather isnt absolute dogshit tomorrow and I can finally properly cast my own fly rod for the first time

>>2881138
Practice in the grass whenever you can

>>2881138
>>2881136
these go up to 60cm in here also had pretty big trouts nearby but trouts didn't seem to be interested in my flies
but it's a progress

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>>2881134
>>2881145
In honour of your first fish ive done my best to tie a replica with this 7 inch baby beast on a 4/0 and 2/0 hook.

Trout can be jerks, were you swinging or dead drifting?

>>2881151
dead drifting mostly

>>2881151
also this is my first one the fly but i've been fishing since i was walking, just not fly fishing

>>2881153
>my first one the fly
The only that matters
>>2881152
Dead drifting is such a pain sometimes. Try any streamers?

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Am i retarded for pre-spooling 10 foot leaders? Line memory aside, seems like it would save a little time provided the knot doesnt fail.

Pro tip, for yall with memecasters: you can use a bead in a plain ol double overhand as a line stop, for storage/transport. When youre ready to rig up just pull it off and away you go.

>>2881134
gz, hopefully i can end my drought soon

>>2880685
>2-5g crankbaits
You would absolutely want a 'bait finesse' reel and a light action casting rod for these
I got a baitcaster off FB marketplace spooled with like 12lb mono or something and my experience improved greatly when I put 40lb braid on it and threw 1/4oz-1oz stuff (~8g-30g).
>>2880970
This is very good advice

>>2880742
If you're not fishing very constrained banks with lots of trees and foliage blocking the cast, UL benefits from more length to the rod, there's lots of light-to-ultra-light trout and panfish 7 foot rods.

>>2880903
Genuinely essential if you want to fish certain waterways. Near me a lot of rivers are shallow but the banks are choked up with foliage and the water is cold. With waders I can just walk on out and go up and down the river casting into all the nice pockets and keep stuff I want to keep dry on me.

>>2881162
I'm curious about where you live. I'm guessing northeast USA.

>>2881162
>very constrained banks with lots of trees and foliage blocking the cast,
There is a certain kind of dense brush where a long rod turns back in to an advantage doing very short presentations either flipping short distances like a pole or doing bow and arrow casts through brush or even reaching over brush

>>2881162
My 6’6” Celilo UL comes tomorrow and yeah I could’ve really used waders today…

>>2881077
In that case I know what I will be doing, gonna aim for a 195cm baitcaster rod with a 5:1 reel

>Went fishing the other day
>enjoy standing on this elevated worn rocky outcrop that extends into a tidal bay
>can go 30 meters and be knee deep, tiny waves, very calm and quiet and relaxing, can cast either side
>walk out, notice a rock about 15 meters ahead, stopped dead
>there are no rocks on this path
>and it would need to be about knee high that far out
>could see the rock in the wave trough as it passed
>yep croc
>backed up slowly and packed up
>don't enjoy fishing at all near the edge now
>too scared to go out at night
Any other people have this problem?

>>2880858
Spinners are way better, the advantage with the alvey for us in australia is it's indestructible, bury it in sand, leave it in saltwater, just rinse it when you get home and it will last 50+ years, maybe longer

>>2881187
amerifag here, I saw an alvey for the first time in my life at a pier yesterday. Of course it belonged to an aussie expat that was really friendly. I might have to get one at some point.

>>2881188
It's great if you fish saltwater and are used to reels dying, or need to cast very far, I got one after getting really tired of constantly maintaining/replacing reels
Not great for fast lures tho

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>baitcaster reels feel good to use
>but spinning reels make the nice noises

>>2881186
What part of Aus are you in?
Thankfully that isn't something I have to worry about at the beach, living down near Syd

>>2881176
I have the 6'6'' ultralight celilo, fun little rod. i've caught several bass up to 4 pounds running 6 or 8 lb braid on a 2000 okuma.

>>2881194
buy a baitcaster with a drag clicker...

>>2881204
just get a curado and go catch fish

BFS baitcaster or spinner rod? Mostly fishing smaller rivers

>>2881206
if you're a beginner go for a spinner setup
can't go wrong with an all rounder spin setup

>>2881206
baitcaster for flipping shit quick under cover or heavier lures, spinner for everything else.

>>2881206
for things under 1/8oz, spinning. for things 1/8oz and heavier. bfs. a lot of people get bfs thinking they are gonna cast really light baits the same distance as a spinning rod, but you won't. it's more about shorter more accurate casts.

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>>2881203
Gonna see what I can do with it tomorrow. I’m a bit worried about the length but whatever

>>2881211
it's a two piece ultralight, what are you worried about?

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>>2881211
you'll be fine

>>2881213
With that length, trees and bushes, and maybe my presidential p30 being too heavy

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>>2881207
Not a beginner in this case, used to fish with a spinner years ago when I was younger
>>2881208
>>2881209
BFS baitcaster it is then, considering a friend gave me a decent amount of lures (my math is fucking ass and I'm not American) but I converted it to grams and even the lightest of the bunch is already a decent amount heavier than 1/8 oz.
Thanks anons

Baitcasting is for Mexicans and southerners

>>2881221
if you haven't fished a baitcaster then you will more than likely get birds nets repeatedly. you need to fundamentally understand how your reel works with its breaking and tension control WITH your specific lure. Hell, I have a DC and have flubbed it repeatedly.

>>2881223
Yeah I've seen several videos explaining you need to set these right per lure you use to avoid bird nests, but honestly if that is the biggest learning obstacle I'll be fine I'm sure

>>2881224
Post the lures

>>2881224
Whatever you've got is what you've got. I own both. Spinning reels have NEVER been an issue; I've never thought "damnit I'm outfishing this thing and my casting sucks I need something BETTER." Baitcasters offer a specific bonus that as a casual fisher do not help whatsoever. Are you on a boat and constantly casting in specific, pin point spots? Baitcasters will help you wish that. Are you repeatedly reeling in a lure at high speeds and then immediately zipping it back out? Baitcasters will help you with that.
I'M SURE YOU'LL BE FINE as well but frankly you should just get a spinning reel. What's your budget?

>>2881225
Stuck wageslaving the night shift, it's a bunch of plastic crankbaits and heavier jighead rigged rubber fishy looking lures
>>2881226
Oh no I get you and I don't have anything against spinning reels whatsoever, I just want to make sure I can actually properly cast the lures I got which are in grams: 4g (lowest) to 12g (heaviest) and anon earlier said for things 1/8oz (3.5g?) and heavier go bfs, I figured that would be the best choice
I have a local online reseller with pretty good prices for quality rods so I can easily get myself a 80-125 euro baitcaster or spinning rod so budget wise I'll be fine

>>2881228
I bomb 4 oz plus rigs on my surf spinning reel set ups easily. You can "properly" cast them with whichever reel. With a baitcaster, however, you will 100% deal with adverse conditions leading to you bird nesting and snapping your shit up.

>>2881229
I dont know how a surf spinning reel is compared to just a normal regular spinning reel but if youre telling me that it doesnt mean shit and I can cast those same lures with a spinning reel just as fine as with a bfs, then obviously I can go for a spinner, but then I am just confused on why anon said that if you got lures between 4 grams and up you want a bfs

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>>2881228
>1/8+
>BFS
Nigger wat?

If youre about 1/8th or heavier, do a spinner unless youre familiar with baitcasters... Proper BFS is expensive, a spinner will be fine for a given setup. >>2881211 this guy would be best set on a spinner, though he could do BFS or baitcaster, maybe both, depending

>>2881231
This whole oz/gram converter shit fucking me in the ass so hard, I am a complete and utter retard at math so you have to forgive me
In that case a spinner will do

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Had a really productive LRF session on the jetty the other night.
Started off with a kickback rig using 5 to 7 gram teardrop weights and size 8 weedless hooks with some small soft plastics (mostly black and gold, and white and silver baby shads) which were absolutely killer for these juvenile groupers (caught about a dozen of them in 2 hours)
These fuckers may be tiny but when they pull you into the rocks on a UL rod and pe 0.3 braid these things are no joke

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>>2881233
As night began to fall the bites slowed down a bit so I changed to 3 gram chebs with the same hook size and baby shads, sure enough it got the attention of this bastard grunt which is a really unusual catch on artificial for me and was pleasantly surprised to see it

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>>2881234
To end the night I moved to the tip of the jetty to get to deeper water, and switched to glow pink jackall grubs on the same cheb rig, which kept getting taps but no hookups. I knew I was dealing with some kind of small sparid when the grubs would come back with a missing tail, so I kept jigging the grub tailless and figured they'd still go for it since they were actively feeding and I was right lol

>>2881232
I feel you, been trying to convert oz decimals to fractions and it makes my head hurt

>>2881230
If you've got something heavy you just go for a lob cast instead of trying to flick it out. The rod would be the limiting factor anyway more than the type of reel you're using.

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A nice little red porgy on a small piece of shrimp, first time i see one around here, its just mostly white seabream

>>2881229
the entire point of a baitcaster, especially with heavier lures is that you can control the cast distance. surf bombing is just casting for distance. try stopping a spinning reel cast mid air by grabbing the line with your finger with a heavy lure. that shit is bubba as hell.
>>2881231
nope. it's the opposite. only the very specialized bfs reels that are uber expensive can cast the really light stuff with any real distance or control. they have extremely ported spools, people even choose aftermarket expensive ported spools because oem spools are still too heavy for really really light shit. those spools are very prone to warping. a standard $200-250 bfs reel is literally designed to cast things 1/8-1/4oz ideally. if you want any actual usuable distance or control that is. and that's only even if you're using very thin line(#1 gou or thinner). you will not have a very good time if you assume that you're gonna be casting trout magnets on even a $400 bfs reel. spinning reels excel at casting extremely light stuff, especially if you're using thin braided line. bfs reels excel at casting control, pinpoint accuracy(once you develop your skill that is), and the ability to not have slack in the line all the time. for example, one of the mst popular bfs baits is the megabass karashi, and it weights 3/16oz. quite a bit heavier than 1/8oz, but under 1/4oz. even still, you won't be casting it as far as you might think, because you can't just huck a bfs cast with force like you cana spinning rod. you gently and smoothly cast it for accuracy. with a spinning rod, I can cast very accurately, better than anyone I know by far. but even still, once I learned to use a baitcaster well, it's another level. I can cast across a small pond and drop the bait right before it hits the other bank 9/10 times. I'm talking inches from the bank. only way to do that consistently with a spinning rod is to grab the line and jerk it to a stop before it crashes onto the other bank.

>>2881248
Nice one. What depth were you fishing approximately? Where I live you usually need to go a bit offshore to land one of these

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Replaced the reel on a dock runner with a cheap lew's ultralight and it's been ripping, the one that it came with would unreel about 1/4" whenever you let go of the handle

My head hurt so I didn’t go fishing this morning
I will now go fishing this afternoon

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limited out on crappied today

they were pretty deep, in 30 feet of water about 5 feet off the bottom, all I had to do was jig some minnows straight off the boat like I was ice fishing and was pulling them up as fast as I could cast.

>>2881345
Nice haul.

>>2881345
Sick. pretty fish.
I haven't caught them in years

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Bass

The celilo/trion got a bite on a 1/8oz spinner but the fish jumped like 2 feet into the air and spat the hook
SAD!
I also got clowned by a massive trout just chilling in the pool by my feet doin nothin

Anyone have experience with aliexpress spinning reels like brands such as tsurinoya? Are they a good budget friendly option for someone that mostly fishes ultralight - light game? the tsurinoya jaguar in particular looks pretty cool

>>2881366
I've used Temu fishing reels and collapsible rods and they certainly work just fine. Not very durable and you get what you pay for in terms of quality, but they're certainly not rubbish. Landed some decent carp on a 20 dollar Temu reel. It'll likely fall apart at some point, but it's a backup and something that I just keep in my 4x4 at all times, so i can throw a line whenever and not really give a shit what happens to it.
I'd also recommend checking out tackle shops and asking them if they have anything on sale. I remember scoring one of my light estuary Daiwa rod and reels at like 60% off in the bargain bin at BCF

>>2881373
Appreciate the input. Yeah I need something I can keep in my car and beat the hell out of when I'm fishing places on the go and need some gear but not the pricy stuff I care about a lot and would prefer to keep in good condition.

>>2881354
nice

>>2881383
Found a honey hole where big ones like that were constantly biting. It's on private property, though, so I can only go there with an invite.

>>2881366
the quality of chinese domestic market knockoff stuff varies wildly. it's gambling really. some things are made in legit facilities alongside name-brand stuff, and some stuff is made with pot metal. there are a few tsurinoya reels and rods that are frequently recommended by some youtubers, some of which are pretty reputable... but it's hard to know if it's genuine or if it's like the kastking scenario where the companie pays/gives stuff to even tiny youtube channels just to astroturf their name and reputation. I'd honestly just get a shimano fx fc or sienna fg and call it a day. at least you know those are actually manufactured do a decently high degree relative to their cheap price. I know people who have had those for years with no issues,

>>2881206
bfs but you're gonna pay a large premium compared to spinning. even cheaper reels are well over $100. rods(other than temu stuff) are gonna have the highest premium. in order to get a bfs rod that's both light enough action to load up smaller baits for casting, yet sensitive enough to actually enjoy, you're talking $150 minimum most likely. then the lures will add up quickly. bfs lures from companies like megabass, lucky craft, and all the other jdm shit are really good, but $15-25 a pop on average. then to get the most out of your casting, you almost need to have very thin jdm braid like varivas #0.8 or #1 gou. then the leader material. usually flouro(more expensive) because light baits are even more affected by line float/sink characteristics. I've got two bait finesse setups at this point, but I do cringe when I think about how much I spent, and my stuff was mostly on sale. contrast that with a very nice spinning rod and reel, which you can get for WAY cheaper. I still keep one ultralight spinning setup around for truly light stuff. tl:dr, only bother with bfs if you're willing to spend some money, otherwise you're gonna get way better quality gear per dollar with spinning. if you try to go cheap on bfs, you're not gonna get the proper experience.

>>2881366
>Are they a good budget friendly option for someone that mostly fishes ultralight - light game?
an other option to get UL stuff cheap without relying on chink shit is old second hand reels
like 80s mitchells, more refined and functional than the 50-70 stuff and not cheap shit like the 90 and onward stuff
pretty sure Penn also made some small freshwater spin reels at some point, but it's still solid steel and heavy compared to competition at the time
if you want brand new stuff the okuma alaris is pretty solid and cheap if you can still find it, and come with a very good drag for the size, size 2000 got a 11lb drag and the 3000 a 15lb drag
for the rod just walk into your local shop and ask whatever cheap stuff they have that cast the kind of lure you're gonna use

>>2881354
Did you weight it? Nice fis

It's always nice to organize and make sure all of your tackle, rods, reels, and accessories are nice and stowed.

>>2881442
That it is, m8. I recently organised my pull out tray drawers in my 4x4 where I keep the majority of my most used tackle. Had an old duffle bag in there that was starting to get annoying to dig through looking for stuff.
I bought a couple of huge clear tupperware containers that slot into the drawer nicely. And with a combination of some smaller bags up front that keep tools, lure boxes, etc, all together, I've finally got it so that everything is more easily at hand. Feels good, man.
It really gets old when you're at the spot, searching all over for that one swivel, or that one sinker.

Fish ‘er I barely know her!

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>>2881256
Maybe 4 meters at the most around the jetty. Haven't caught anything bigger than these.

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>>2881228
For 1/8 and heavier you dont really even need bfs
>pic related
I throw 1/8 oz jig heads with this setup a lot, along with weightless soft plastics, and this lil baby bull shad (3/16 oz)
Piscifun spark pro reel, 7 foot medium berkley lightning rod, and 20lb power pro

>>2881517
you can throw 3/16 on some non-bfs reels but not most. also, I've learned that most lures are not th weight advertised. almost always heavier. and soft plastics add a lot of weight to a jighead.

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>>2881522
I also throw 1/6 oz inline spinners on it for trout.
>not all reels
Yeah thats why i gave the brand and model when i posted incase anon wants to get one.

>>2881525
I looked it up and the spool seems to be around 13grams. that's a bit lighter than your average 80 sized compact baitcaster, similar to 70 sized finesse spools. so that's how it can manage with braid. definitely on the upper end of the bfs category though. it can be hard to cast certain 1/8oz lures depending on how aerodynamic they are even witha true bfs spool that is much lighter. a lot of people even get aliexpress bfs spools for things like the abu black max, but those spools warp way too easy from being so heavily machined,for weight reduction.

>>2881526
I wouldn't even put it in the bfs category its just a cheap reel that happens to handle lighter lures pretty decently.

>>2881250
You can control cast distance just as granularly with a spinning rod, don’t just stop the line, feather it. Same finger that holds the line when loading the cast. It’s easier with a casting reel, but there’s nothing you can do with one that you can’t do with the other. The principal advantage is that for a given (large) line capacity or (heavy) drag capacity, a bait caster represents a smaller, lighter, tidier physical envelope. Nothing wrong with having a preference for one or the other tho.

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Any recommendations for carrying around a rod? Got my first proper 2 piece spinning rod after using a crappy telescopic rod for a long time before it died on me
I mostly bike around and walk around from spot to spot so I'm not sure if I should aim for a protective tube or something like pic related (Neoprene/nylon material)

>>2881545
if you want a cheap protective tube that also floats, you can get a pool noodle. the skinny ones even work. you can usually fit all but the first or second biggest guides. it's more protective than any hard case that allows your rod to bounce around insisde, it's hi vis so you can't lose it in the woods, and it floats if you fall in. it's how I transport all of my high end rods because it's more protective than a rod sock and around a dollar

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>>2881545
maybe this

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Yay arts and crafts
>>2881548
Thats actually kinda brilliant

>>2881545
i use a solid protective tube, it's 130cm long 9cm diameter so i can fit three rods in it, one 2pc light rod and two 4pc heavier rods
reels get in the tackle bag
now i don't see it being practical on a bike

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>>2881548
Interesting, that's pretty clever
>>2881549
Might be an option, gonna look into it
>>2881552
Yeah that's my same exact thought, if the other one anon posted won't do I'll just get the better version of the one I initially posted, long as I can easily transport it and keep both ends protected I should be fine, right?

>>2881553
>long as I can easily transport it and keep both ends protected I should be fine, right?
the pool noodle is clever but it doesn't protect against falling on it, i got the hardshell tube because i can put it on the train or in the car without worrying about it being crushed by another baggage or someone bumping into me in public transport
maybe you could make up some kind of attachment to strap a tube to your bicycle frame, i'd try that, you'd still need at least a backpack for your tackle and reel but that's not too much of an issue
and bottom in front to not damage tips when braking
for a single rod you don't need a tube as wide as mine tho

>>2881553
I have used a tacticool shotgun sheathe before, with my older shorter rods, about 6-7'?

Tip ends in the bottom, butt ends sticking out a bit. Worked well enough for short hikes around the spot, but id have to unsling for some obstacles. The MOLLE webbing was a plus, i was able to add on a couple of pouches for small tackle boxes, line, baits and tools.

The sheathe itself is a shaped plastic sheet, with a thin foam between the sheet and the liner. The outside is some sort of "milspec" duck cloth with the MOLLE, sling and a handle stitched in.

>>2881545
I used this rod sock because it has foam padding around the tip. The other anons pool noodle suggestion sounds good too
https://www.rodarmour.com/products/fishing-rod-sleeve-pro

I'm looking for a new winter coat. I hate the sound of synthetic fabric, especially when fly casting. Last year, I used an old Red Head coat, so I've started to look into hunting coats, but the problem is that I can only use such a coat when fishing or hunting because I can't walk around most days camouflaged. I'd love for Carhartt to work, but their products are shit.

Just looked up images of a Rapala Down Deep Husky Jerk but had safe search off. Worst mistake of my life.

>>2881588
Try and thrift an old Filson. The new stuff is overpriced hipster garbage, but they made mountains of very good stuff over the last 100 years and it’s not that hard to find on the secondary market.

>noo you cant use that reel at the beach its not saltwater rated and it will turn into dust if you do
lol lmao even

>>2881588
why would you want camo? so you can get shot by some retard during deer season?

>>2881611
I don't want camo. And I make a point to not fish during shotgun season, except in urban areas. I like hunting clothes because are warm, durable, and quiet. I don't want a trendy, puffy, down jacket that will get destroyed by a stray hook and squeak while I move.

>>2881610
nobody says this

For regular ass spinning rod fishing, triple surgeon knot for braid to fluo leader or is there a better one? Understood that I need to be careful since some knots could potentially damage rod guides

>>2881668
what kind of rig to you use? and for what purpose? with what size of fluoro?
i only use fluoro leaders for pikes so it's 30-40cm long and there's a swivel between it and the mainline, it never goes into the guides
but surgeon knot certainly is a bad idea for bread to fluo

>>2881668
FG knot is the best for going through guides due to how slim it is but it does take longer to tie.

>>2881670
Someone told me that since I have 0.13mm braid I should aim for a 0.35mm fluo leader is that right?
Just generally planning to use a lot of baits that benefit from having a fluo leader to swivel really so I might as well take my time and do a FG knot like >>2881672 suggested

>>2881675
>Someone told me that since I have 0.13mm braid I should aim for a 0.35mm fluo leader is that right?
if the objective is them to have similar weight resistance that should be roughly on it depending on manufacturer
also the FG knot in the pain in the ass to do, and while it's good, it's unnecessary in a lot of use cases, i only ever use it for sea trolling now and replaced it by the alberto knot for most purposes, so consider that one
but still, your leader shouldn't be that long and need to go into guides

>>2881668
I've always just tied to a swivel. I'm not reef fishing so a super long leader never seemed necessary

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What yall think about old skool rear-drag reels?

Ive sort of inherited a Shimano Spirex RG4000. Its got drag on a knob on the back, a fight'n'drag lever just above, that snazzy quickfire 2 trigger and a push button spool release. Only 4 bearings, not the newer 5+1 google keeps feeding me. First impression is a spinner mid-trans to baitcaster.

>>2881668
I like albertos, plenty small and easy to do with a little practice. The trick is to make sure youre overlapping. If you go an extra wrap or 2 you can trim your tags hella short. Only been on those 4 weeks, but i have had instances where my palomar knot fails before the alberto. Gonna move over to Trilenes and see if i cant fish a rock out, kek.

Im also this retard >>2881155, running a 10 foot lead prespooled to the braid. Dunno if its any good or not, but im dying to go to the gorge and try.

I'm an avid angler, especially when it comes to fly fishing. I'm a freshwater guy, but I'm getting more and more tempted to try salt. I'm a big fan of the way bluegill fight. I love head shakes, and typically, that's a feature exclusive to smaller fish. Big fish wallow, which is boring to me. I want runs and thrashes. I hear permit fight like bluegill. Is this true? How much fun are tarpon and bonefish?
I really hate the concept of guides. I'm very Jewish and DIY (especially with fishing). My first trip, I'm going to need a guide or to find a knowledgeable friend with a boat. But for future trips, do I need a guide? Can I just rent a fishing boat that I will drive myself?

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Post fish.

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>>2881716

>>2881424
That one was a little over 3 pounds.

I'm a Driftless angler, so it takes a lot of rain to mess up a spring creek, especially when there's vegetation. We've had a lot of rain lately and overnight. The creek I was fishing yesterday is 2 ft higher and flowing 16 times faster than the norm. I caught tons of stocker rainbows yesterday and got bored after a little while. Today, I'm after browns.

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>>2881716
Got my first pelagic this weekend

>>2881749
I catch a ton of spanish mackerel. They're fun on light tackle.

Tried a new euro leader today: 12 lb butt section. It was really good. The 20 lb leader sags way too much. It's a little harder to cast, especially with light flies. All that said, I'm going to euro nymph tomorrow, but I'm going to make a point of getting one more traditional fly rod day in this year.

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I got fucked out of a season extension, so here's what I got on the last day of pikeminners. 29 from the bank in three hours. Still a solid two hundo bucks.

>>2881775
That's good money. Why is it the end of the season? They are invasive enough that they're paying you money, so why not pay every day?

>>2881789
>invasive
Pike minnows aren’t invasive, they’re just not targeted by the normies or the commercial fishermen, because they are very boney. The bounty program is designed to take the heat off of salmonoid fry, which pike minnow do eat, to try and make up for the mediocre breeding success and fry recruitment of salmoniods impacted by human activity and river development.

>>2881789
>>2881807
And so there’s a quota on the bounty program because they want to control, not eliminate, the pikeminnow population.

Just got bent over and raped at the local fly shop because the bimart displays don’t have any fucking hopper patterns

>>2881811
Neat. G&F is doing similar in my area for lake trout, to help out the salmon. No bounty, but no limits either if theyre under 28"

Went fish everyday last week and caught nothing worth keeping, saw some nice trevally chasing my lure but none want a bite

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I went to a stream that has stumped me several times today, and I caught a few browns. The water is cold and clear; vegetation abounds. It is definitely the hardest stream in my state to fish and among the most famous. My feet were numb by the end of my trip, but I am happy knowing that I cracked the code.
>>2881823
Bimart? What's that? Why wouldn't you go to the fly shop anyway? There's definitely a mark-up on fly fishing stuff, but it's not like people are making a killing in this industry. Plus, you're hopefully getting quality flies tied on quality hooks from a company like Umpqua rather than some TEMU garbage. Feel free to tie your own, but don't buy TEMU flies.

>>2881843
Bimart is a Regional chain of employee owned “everything stores” and they have display cases of flies from Jackson Cardinal flies. I can tell you they’re better quality flies than many I’ve seen and they’re $1.49 each from bimart. They seem to sell them under the JH fly co name themselves for $3+ each which is what I paid at the local shop. Yeah I think I’ll stick to my bimart flies so I don’t get raped by “muh local” trust fund kid hobby shop. I know small businesses owners and they’re all scammers, bad people

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NEVER let "small businesses" guilt trip you into being raped, if they have money for a la-dee-dah storefront downtown and only cater to people paying $1000 for waders, turn 360 degrees and walk away, ideally stealing some chubby chernobyls as you do
most of my fishees were caught on cortland fairplay flies form walmart, fish dont care
dont buy the cortland silver stream pack though those DO suck

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found a very underspooled 3000RD spinning reel and a ice fishing rod without brand or any markings in my heap of trash of a garage, dont even remember how or when I even bought these
think I can get away fishing with this outside winter in a nearby pond or small river

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Fishe 1 on da kastmaster

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Fishe 2 on the purple haze…14?16? (location change)

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Fishe 3 on uhh idk some sort of white colored dun or Adam’s

>Talk about fishin
I have fished for 25 years and only for Catfish and Bass. I can't even swim

>>2882002
What's your favourite way to cook a cat?

>>2882004
The way my pappy did and his pappy before him; battered and fried.

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What's your opinion on paylakes?

>>2882012
Is that like an upsized version of a swimming pool that you fill with thousands of trout? They used to heavily stock certain little dams for paid access events (fishouts, etc) in Australia a lot more often, but I rarely see it these days. At least not where I'm at. It's probably good fun for kids or with a family, but i wouldn't go to one alone

>>2882027
Basically man made lakes and ponds that have fish put in yeah.
The one near my house is catfish.

>>2882012
retarded. I hate fishponds. I’m not too keen on stocked alpine lakes either if they can’t self sustain. But it’s better for the normies to go overfish a stocked pond than wipe out a native population

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got a girthy stocker
i've caught similar length ones before but this one was clearly eating well
i don't care enough to have a scale though

>>2882012
not a fan except in one circumstance where I was at a resort in Japan and you would fish for trout in the lake, then turn it in to the restaurant, while it was being cooked you would go to the hot spring spa and relax, very fun to do with kids

When I see people freaking out over “big trout” on IG I get confused cause they look like average size to me, do I just have really good trout waters or do they have social media brain and the goalposts are short. Maybe I should start recording my catches

>>2882048
A "good trout" varies a lot by individual bodies of water. I know places an hour drive apart where in one a 17 inch rainbow is a dink and the other a 17 inch rainbow is impossibly huge and youre just not going to catch one that size.

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>>2881716

>>2882012
I’ve never been to one. “Put and take” fisheries depress me, but I understand why they’re needed in a country with 350 million people. Paylakes are just an advanced version of that, I guess.

>>2881704
You don't need a guided boat trip to get the panfish experience in saltwater. Just get an ultralight or light rod 6 to 7 feet, thin braid, small reel and a bunch of small 1.5-2.5 inch soft plastics, gulp baits, 1-8 gram weights, hooks and micro jigs and tiny plugs if you like them. Target docks, rocky shores, harbor walls or jetties. You don't need much casting distance since most of the fish you're after are usually right under your feet where the structure is. Look up LRF tutorials on youtube and you're set and guaranteed not to skunk on light game. If you want to get really autistic about it and be a little extra, check out Japanese Aji/Mebaru stuff

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well shit

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All trout are trophy trout

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>called cokeanee
>arent made of coke and knees
what gives

>>2882122
Ah yes, the kind of fish that you hear whooping and get strange sightings of big hairy people in the distance when you target them. Good eating.

>>2882092
RIP

>>2882092
Big rip, what happened anon?

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Bros is this a good rod? I want something I can put in a backpack. Total noob here.

>>2882142
nha, you can see the little thingy to put your finder on the handle, this mean it's a rod made to use baitcasters type of reels, these arn't exactly good for noobs
you want a spin rod, unless you already have a reel you should look at spinning combos
also if you want specific help we need to know what kind of fish you're gonna target and in what general area

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>>2882143
Picrel is a summary of the fish in a nearby river, I ain't ever seen one bigger than 1-2lb tho

>>2882142
>is this a good rod
No
Get an eagle claw pac-kit rod. its still garbage, but its cheaper, and i can actually vouch for its durability and its ability to catch fish.

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>>2881716
Cute perch with inline spinner

>>2882144
well you can split this list in two
carp and cat that would need an heavier rod, and bass and panfish that would use a lighter rod
what skid said should do it for the lighter side
also bass and panfish are good eating

>>2882143
Nah. It's definitely a noob rod. It's made for spincasters, not baitcasters. Telescopic, fiberglass, gay handle in 99% of situations, 6 ft. It's not a rod anyone is using on the BPT. That said, anon should not get it because it's dogshit, as are spincasters.

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>>2882142
We all love the eagle claw pack it here.

@any Oregon/PNW posters here ever fished the Metolius? And if so should I pick up waders? Every other river in Oregon I’ve rawdogged in slides and shorts but it was summer

>>2882164
I'm not Oregonian, but I would highly recommend getting waders. I did a lot of creek fishing when I first got into the hobby, so waders were my number one aspirational item. Buy the best waders you can afford. I say that not imagining you're going to buy $1000 waders. I'd just like to steer you away from Frog Toggs if you can afford better.

>>2882165
I don’t plan on using waders unless I absolutely have to so I don’t really wanna be shelling out more than my entire fishing setup cost for something I might use like 10 times a year

>>2882142
Get a multi piece travel rod. Telescopics are a meme

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Copping picrel soon, along with a matching 12' rod, to replace a cheaper 8000 reel that I had for many years, and which kicked the bucket recently.
I mainly bait fish the surf, and the 8000 has this grizzled roughly 40lb mono on it that I use as is.

Was wondering if you guys reckon it's worth putting on braid and using fluoro/mono leaders? I've honestly never used braid in any of my reels, and unsure if it'll be a pain constantly tying on leaders for bait rigs. Open to suggestions. I live in East Coast Australia, so targetting the usual suspects in the surf.

any tips for fishing pike? going after them this weeked

>>2882180
>Was wondering if you guys reckon it's worth putting on braid
if i need a line bigger than 15lb i use braid, except if i fish a very rocky place or such and need abrasion resistance
braid just cast better, also i always use swivels, so having a leader never is an issue, there's good knots for that anyway
that reel you posted is braid ready, so you can put braid directly on the spool

>>2882182
pikes are easy, only tips beyond basic shit is having an adapted leader 1mm thick fluoro or steel
past that the most simple cast and retrieve soft plastic or inline spinner will work
depending on where you go and how well you know the place, deadbaiting might be more efficient

>>2882166
I live in Iowa. I fish the trout streams here year round, and I also do some "warmwater" wading too. My wader situation is fucked at the moment. Long story, but I can tell you this. Last week, I wish I had them. A couple weeks ago, same thing. This week, air temps are warm, so no waders. From November 1st to sometime in May, you definitely want waders here. That's a lot of good fishing you're missing out on if you don't own a pair. Frogg Toggs are ass.

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>>2882188
Im only even considering them because this river I’m going to comes out of the ground at 42°

>>2882207
You want waders

>>2882183
I've heard people mention braid tangles easier, does that ever become an issue? I guess if I'm soaking bait, i could possibly just put straight 50lb or so braid and tie rigs on with a swivel.
Is something like PowerPro Super Slick worth looking into? Or is there a certain point where types of braid get hard as shite to tie standard knots on?
Want to try targetting some jews off the beach, so the stronger the line the better

>>2882209
>I've heard people mention braid tangles easier
kinda does, but if you cast properly and mind the direction of the wind you will be fine
> i could possibly just put straight 50lb or so braid and tie rigs on with a swivel
yeah, braid is thinner than mono so you can go overboard with the strength
>Is something like PowerPro Super Slick
no clue, so far i've been satisfied with daiwa j-braid
>Or is there a certain point where types of braid get hard as shite to tie standard knots on?
nha there's no rigidity to it, it's limp, easy to knot

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>>2882208
I really don’t. So many other things id rather spend money on

>>2882221
Then go freeze

>>2882223
Maybe I will

I thought of a joke today.

I didn't mean to smoke cigarettes, I kayaked without a pack. But I caught a crappie and he said if I let it back into the water he would give me a pack of cigarettes. Well I didn't plan on eating the damn thing so I put him back in the water and he gave me a pack of cigarettes. We both light one up so then I asked this talking fish the most obvious question, "how did you get a pack of cigarettes?" He asks me where I get mine. So I just answered from gas stations and he said "that's where I get mine"

Damndest thing. I didn't plan on smoking but life is mysterious and unpredictable.

I fucked up, the amazong waders won’t get here by Friday now

>>2882228
You'll need them in general when it gets cold anyways.

>>2882226
Either this is AI or an autistic second grader.

>>2880670
Hi,

I spent my whole life fishing off coasts with a spool. I bought an actual rod, and tried to go out and intuit how to use the rod and had an embarrassing failure etched into it. Can anybody direct me to someone who’s produced videos on how to use a rod effectively?

Thank you in advance

>>2882225
K have fun
>>2882237
There's countless videos on youtube, post a picture of your rod/reel and we can give you keywords to search. Its almost certainly going to be one of those things that once you see how its done itll be painfully obvious, i have shit like that happen to me a lot.

>>2882226
Sir this is a Wendy's

>>2882209
If you are casting heavy rigs, you will want a shock leader. I have 20 feet of 100 lb mono on my 65 lb mainline surf rod that I use for 8&B8. FG knot from 65 lb braid to 100 lb mono, a clip at the end of the mono, and I clip pre-tied rigs to the shock leader or if I’m casting irons or jigs, I clip those straight to the shock leader since 100 lb mono will land a shark as often as not. It’s a Penn Spinfisher 8000 reel on a 4 piece 11 foot 3-12 oz rated rod.

O shit the lake run rainbow trout will be running soon and i havent even started on my new switch rod. Im ordering stuff for that now.

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>>2882212
Thanks for the info m8
>>2882272
Appreciate the context, I find myself mainly using 4oz and bait, but that's also mainly because it's the max I could comfortably use on my previous surf setups. Is there any specific kind/make of braid you've found is good for salt? Or it doesn't make heaps of difference ultimately?
A clip at the end of the mono leader sounds convenient, could just premake rigs terminating in a swivel and clip on the swivel as needed.
When tying on a heavy (90-120g) metal spoon for e.g., do you tend to add a swivel to prevent twisting up the line, given the clip itself wouldn't have one?
>Picrel from latest couple hour fish after work

>>2882288
I think Power Pro is fine, Sufix and Jbraid are better. But I’ve used other brands for availability reasons in the past and only ever been disappointed enough to despool and buy new line by Piscifun.

Some of my spoons have a swivel on their line tie from factory, but I’ve never felt the need to work one into the rig for a casting rod. Swivels are absolutely a requirement for trolling spoons though.

>>2882293
> only ever been disappointed enough to despool and buy new line by Piscifun.
Oh, and Spiderwire “fused” garbage, forgot about that stuff.

>>2882293
>>2882288
before having j-braid i used some berkley braid, did the job but color washed away fast

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>>2882308
>>2882293
Cheers for the advice m8, I think I've settled on this line. Saw the grand talked up and it's only like 15 bucks more than the X8. Considered 50lbs too, but seeing as I'd reach capacity better with 65lbs, will likely go for that instead.
Might get either a Platypus Hard Armour Tough or Black Magic Tough mono 80 or 100lb leader to go with it. Going to have to practice my fg knots.
To be fair, I possibly wouldve bought the 8500 Spinfisher vii instead of the 10500, but since the range is on sale, those sold out first.
Looking forward though to trying for some big jews or kingfish, have some spots in mind where you apparently can get decent amounts of them. What do you target mainly on your setup?
Normally on my mono surf rods and Alvey I'll be going for tailor and aussie salmon, with the occasional keeper bream and flathead off the surf.

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>>2882312
Saw this on sale too, the extra 100m might be better considering the reel apparently takes up to about 700m or so. Unsure if i want to go for mono backing, or keep the 500m of jbraid x8 spooled straight on

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tied 30 of these, its that time boys..

>>2882312
your reel is braid ready (the rubber thing so braid do no slip on the spool) so you could put your 500M of braid directly on it and nothing else for convenience
the reel being half full shouldn't affect your casting
now i've seen people use dacron rope, the kind people used for kites as backing, for various reasons, cheaping out on fly reel backing, having a cushion to prevent crushing spools on old spin reels like it sometimes happen with mono, filling up a big reel for cheap
but i'm not sure if dacron will grip the rubber thing of your spool, i've never tried so, you might need a few meters of mono for that
with something else as backing you could go for a 300m braid

>>2882312
>What do you target mainly on your setup?
anything freshwater, i have big fluoro for large pikes and oversized braid due to availability and for carp, but i'll be going for giant catfish soon and i might be under geared actually
my rig is simple, improved uni for mainline to swivel and a loop knot of mine from swivel to fluoro, the rest varies with inline weights or different hooks
the thing is, if you want to do something similar you need a big swivel with a wire diameter similar to your fluoro if you don't want it to bite into the fluoro and cut it with enough pressure
another anon told you about the FG knot, and for once in this thread it's actually the good use case, properly made it's one of the best knots, the thing is it's a pain in the ass to tie, so since i don't need long leaders that go into the reel i stick to swivels

>>2882312
My main target for my surf rod are black drum and rays, but I do catch sharks and stripers and occasionally pelagics when the stars align.

I have also used it for blue cats in fresh.

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Got a question regarding braid:

This old spirex 4k says itll take 200 yards of 10lb mono, but i only got about half a 150yd spool of j braid x4 on it.

I did 2 passes of some old ass 12lb trilene, tied in the braid, then put on a length of fresh 10lb strike king mono.

Why did it take so little braid? The j braid has a diameter of .29mm, the contra .30, and the trilene .38. the spool should have eaten that whole thing of j braid with room to spare?

Just wanna say thanks to all you fishermens. I witnessed today you singlehandedly keep the board alive. This is the only thread to move at all during today

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>>2880960
Same anon here with an update. Big thanks to everyone who helped out with the guides, but you should know I completely ditched the dropshot and started using this rig instead. Much simpler to tie and the extra bit of line on the hook gives the bait a more natural drift and fall which has been getting me more bites than a standard finesse DS. Highly recommend

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Just picked up the boomer 9000

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Nice little 25cm or so brimbo off the surf on the Alvey tonight. Had some fresh squid on and he smashed it

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>>2882335
>>2882343
>>2882351
I appreciate all the input m8s, it's been helpful with deciding what I wanted to do with my new surf setup. It's my first foray using line heavier than 15kgs, so it'll be interesting targetting larger species. My previous beach rods have all been mono 15kg, and 10kg mono on the Alvey.
Also an update - i ended up actually changing from the Spinfisher Vii 10500 to a 7500 instead. Still bought the jbraid x8 grand but in 50lbs instead. Already gave it a spin this arvo. Gave it a running sinker rig in the interest of not losing time on the water (but might try an fg knot to tie on a 6m leader and then clip on a paternoster rig for better casting). Running sinker clip and bead on the 50lb jbraid mainline, with a palomar knot to a size 6 barrel swivel, then about a 60cm 60lb mono leader (used the knot with the 3 loops for heavy line, forget the name) ending in 3 ganged 4/0 hooks. Chucked out some mullet strips but no hits this time, hopefully next time can christen this rod with a catch. Absolutely beautiful rod and reel to use though, feels just as smooth as my freshwater Daiwa setup.

>>2882362
Had a similar thing happen. Interestingly when I was reading up the specs on the penn spinfisher vii 7500, it ought to have taken the entire 500m jbraid x8 grand spool, but when I put the line on it left me with about 100m spare.

>>2882180
Penn is kinda shit these day desu, quantum has taken their place for a beach reel you can abuse.

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>>2882382
The Penns still come with a 10 year warranty, so they can't be that shit. Albeit they're cheaper than shimanos here in aus, so I'd expect you get what you pay for. Even still, id reckon the ipx5 on the spinfisher suits just fine for a surf rod that stays in a pvc pipe holder.
I'll have to check quantums out though. Don't seem to be too many stockists in aussie after a quick search. I was planning on getting a shimano gosa 10000 at some point for a future heavy salt setup, as they're fully sealed. Heard a lot of good things from other fishos too. I often fish rough conditions, near rocky shorelines, etc. Might also get a seayak in future, so a reel that can survive serious exposure would be good.

>>2882384
The shimano saragosa is legendary in florida. Almost everyone has at least one. I've dunked mine several times while fishing the mullet run and have dropped it on rocks before. It's basically the hilux of fishing reels.

>>2882384
While I believe the quantum cabo is a better reel than anything penn is currently putting out, if there are no spare parts or places willing to service it in australia then the penn is the better buy.

>>2882385
>>2882384
i use vintage reels and okumas because they're cheap and work

>>2882387
I still have an old penn 704 I use in the surf. Kinda heavy for working lures but perfect for letting bait soak.

>>2882388
i use my 710 for carp, posted one last thread
it's a shame penn was so late on aluminium alloys, these are indeed heavy

>>2882385
Nice, reminds me of my alvey, its gone for a swim a couple of times, fallen into the sand on numerous occasions, etc. I rinse it off in the saltwater and keep fishing. Afterwards I'll hose it off with some freshwater and it's still good as new.
>>2882386
Yeah Penn is everywhere here, major retailers, etc. Nabbed mine at a good discount, and it also came with a free 12' Penn Alley rod as part of the sale
>>2882387
I still use my jarvis walker fishunter 8000 reel I got back in 2018 or so, it's a bit rusty and all chipped and shit but after taking it apart a couple of times to tighten things and lube it up, it still works fine

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Fuck yeah big snook

>>2882380
based fellow lefty

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and a little guy shortly after

>>2882362
The line diameter manufacturers put on the box are almost NEVER accurate so you typically get less line on the spool than you think you would. This line laboratory guy actually measures the real diameter.
https://linelaboratory.com/braid-summary/

>>2882392
sick

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Time for blog posting!

Went to the gorge today, for a bit of fishin. The weather was mostly cloudy, and windy af in my favorite spot. I put this Spirex(>>2882362) on one of them Berkley Big Game rods from wally world.

My thought was I could load up heavy and bomb that sucker out into the deeper water, but the wind wouldnt let me. Set a new PB for weeds though, about the size of a 2 liter bottle and around 2.5-3lbs.

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>>2882416
I decided to pack up and move to a different spot, mostly to get out of the fuckin wind. Heres my shit box and a cool rock formation