>>4516125
Capture one is better then lightroom

>>4516126
but i use loonix

>>4516125
Darktable is better than lightroom and is for loonix
No, it's not too complicated. Just watch a tutorial or two and stick to a few basic modules at first.

>>4516128
Yeah see I just use windows. I don’t have in interest in learning how to work Linux. I just want a photo editing software that works as good as Lightroom / photoshop that doesn’t charge me every month

>>4516129
>Yeah see I just use windows.
It also works on winblows.
>I just want a photo editing software that works as good as Lightroom / photoshop that doesn’t charge me every month
Yeah, darktable is better than lightroom. Photoshop doesn't have a perfect replacement, but Gimp is fine enough for simple image manipulation.

>>4516128
Raw files are so washed out on import you have to fix them yourself. Negadoctor sucks. Raws retain less detail than on lightroom, denoising is worse. For whom exactly is darktable better for? Only upside I see is that it runs better.

>>4516125
>I hate adobe and I want to stop renting it, but goddamn it makes editing so fresh and so good.
GenP patches your creative cloud apps so they dont need a license.

>>4516134
>Raw files are so washed out on import
There's no canonical way to display a raw image file on your screen, so darktable gets out of your way and displays it fairly neutrally, so as to not influence your edit.
>you have to fix them yourself
That's the point of a raw editor.
If you don't understand why this is good, you should just stick to SOOC jpegs.

>>4516135
>theres no real raw file
>everything is fake
>its meant to be flat
Thanks for reminding us why people with aspergers rarely translate their programming skills into real life success. Your logic is limited to what you’re obsessing over so you have fake intelligence.

There is a ground truth behind every raw. The input profile must be calibrated, strictly, for not just each camera but also each lens and standardized illuminants. The demosaicing+default nr and sharpening method also only has so many right answers for each camera’s raw format and gain stages.

Darktable offloads this work to users who do not have the equipment or expertise to do it.

>>4516135
>If you don't understand why this is good, you should just stick to SOOC jpegs.
I want to edit my photos, not fix them, then edit them. I didn't say I didn't want to edit my photos. I have used both programs professionally and darktable is just straight worse. The workflow sucks, because I have to spend ages fixing the colours, tone curve etc... Even DPP4 mogs darktable at this.

>There's no canonical way to display a raw image file on your screen
True, however there is better ways and worse ways. I want the file to look like how it looks on my cameras preview screen. Lightroom can do this by using the makersnotes imbedded in the RAW to copy the cameras profiles so they look exactly the same as on my screen, but with better detail and DR. Lightroom also retains better dynamic range, so there's that.

>>4516138
If you've used other raw programs professionally, but still have to spend ages fixing in darktable, it doesn't sound like you actually learned what you were doing very well
It's all the same shit just with different labels and locations, if it takes you more than like 15min to get acquainted you are just tech illiterate

>I want the file to look like how it looks on my cameras preview screen
Then you should go back to jpg bb, it's not great practice even in LR/C1 to start from your embedded profile

>>4516140
This also doesn't really make sense.

I want my photo to look how it does on my camera screen as a starting point to edit it. I don't want to have to spend extra time using a poorly made program without capital letters just to get to that same starting point before I can actually start implementing artistic choices. If I'm going to edit my photo and my clients want high quality results, why would I shoot jpg? Please explain this claim.

Also, please explain what I'm gaining by going through this process, because it's not better detail, dynamic range, colour response, tonality...

>but still have to spend ages fixing in darktable
If it takes even one second to fix an image in darktable, it's worse, because in lightroom it's not even an issue that needs to be bandaided.

>>4516126
>Capture one is better then lightroom
I have heard some colleagues say this. As I understand captureone offers a better suite of tools than LRc but doesn't do as well with workflow efficiency. I think if you're going to really deep, highly processed edits to just a few photos capture one would be the better choice. Otherwise I would go with pirated LRc.

>>4516136
>>theres no real raw file
>>everything is fake
>>its meant to be flat
I didn't say a single one of those things.
>The input profile must be calibrated, strictly, for not just each camera but also each lens and standardized illuminants.
Maybe there's a manufacturer recommended calibration, which is what you get with camera jpegs, given a particular white balance and "picture style" (whatever that's called on your favorite brand of camera). But the raw is just linear photon capture.
>>4516138
>I want to edit my photos, not fix them, then edit them.
If there's a tone curve you like, just save it as a preset and apply it by default to all your raws as a starting point. That's what Lightroom does for you, the only difference with (and benefit of) Darktable is that you get to make a choice.

>>4516142
>That's what Lightroom does for you, the only difference with (and benefit of) Darktable is that you get to make a choice.
My bad didn't realise there's no tone curve editor in LR. You're still not understanding, its not just the tone curve, it's everything you need to fix. The default import in darktable is horrible.
You still have not explained what I'm gaining by using darktable, so please explain this.

>>4516143
>Free (as in you don't pay for it ever)
>Free (as in free software, i.e. you're not renting it, i.e. if the original developers abandon it, your copy of the software will still work forever, the project will still be available, and likely someone else would pick up development)
These were the main two points from the OP.
Other than that:
>fully featured pixel pipeline that remains in scene-referred color space as long as possible
>full control over the raw development process
>an active community development team

>its not just the tone curve, it's everything you need to fix.
git gud
Put a little effort into learning a new skill or remain an Adobe rent chud forever.

>>4516144
>2 paragraphs to say free
Gee we’re really getting to the meat and potatoes of your point here aren’t we? Lightroom is free too, just pirate it.

>pixel pipeline
Explain why this is good for the user when the photos look like shit.
>community development team
Aka community of unpaid vibe coders, cool. Just say that next time.
>full control
So why wont it let me use the makers notes that my cameras manufacturer intends to be used with the raw file?

Editing is easy, not really something you should be proud of. I understand you wear “knows how to use darktable” as a badge of honour. Sorry to burst your bubble but it’s not complicated software, it just sucks. You need to learn how to get your photos correct in camera. Then maybe youll have some raw files worth preserving.

>>4516142
>>4516140
More cope
>raws are meant to be flat compile your color science from source or you’re stupid and not doing real editing and should shoot jpeg
Do you understand that jpeg limits the user to pre-editing time wasters and consooming brands to get muh color and jpeg engine features? Yeah. Shoot jpeg. Guess what! You are now limited to SONY. Only Sony has the most powerful color grading suite and only on their newest cameras :^) have fun with your pre-capture editing (and resorting to film era front of lens tricks when the camera sliders dont have the range or set points you wanted)

FOSS is infested with weak narcissistic autists who conflate willingness with ability and gladly prostrate themselves before developer incompetence. If something does not work, they are happy, because they can finally do something and prove that they are super skilled and intelligent for using loonixware.

Raw files are meant to be initially rendered as close to ground truth as possible and edited tastefully and minimally from there. A calibrated profile, reliable tone curve, and lens cast correction are a must.

Capture one lets you turn this all off and start with linear, generic everything but nobody does.

>>4516146
> Raw files are meant to be initially rendered as close to ground truth as possible and edited tastefully and minimally from there. A calibrated profile, reliable tone curve, and lens cast correction are a must.
Objectively true btw.

Capture one perpetual costs less than a kit zoom or shitty chinese prime

Darktable is free if your time is worthless and you’re using meaningless cheap equipment to make nearly-monochrome cinematic bench/tree/corner building corner pics for instagram. Wouldn’t take it near anything more important. Not even a photo of the family dog. Wouldn’t use it with a nice camera either. What kind of retard buys a $1000+ camera but can’t afford a C1 forever license?

>>4516145
The pixel pipeline is needed to prove to other autists that you are SUPER SMART. How would anyone know an unemployed MtG player isn’t retarded if he couldn’t figure out the ideal demosaicing method and settings for his camera? It’s a new skill bro just learn or all the other jobless nerds will think you’re dumb

>>4516149
You can also just pirate it. I hear its particularly easy to do so with the OSX version.

>>4516158
>you pirate software
>company misses profit growth targets
>cuts costs by hiring indians
>repeat

>>4516129
You can use dorktable on windoze, I do

>>4516159
Pretty dishonest to pretend that piracy has ever been a big enough issue to seriously affect software companies like adobe just for the sake of shilling darktable.

You have made a great case against darktable in this thread by providing that it does nothing well and nothing useful and that its users are insufferable dishonest weirdos.

>>4516138
>DPP4
I really wish they figured out a way to use computer hardware better.

>he can't pirate Lightroom Classic pre-((((((((subscription)))))))))

Sucks to be you

>>4516125
Which camera do you use? Most brands have a software solution for developing their RAWS on a computer.

>>4516141
>As I understand captureone offers a better suite of tools than LRc but doesn't do as well with workflow efficiency. I think if you're going to really deep, highly processed edits to just a few photos capture one would be the better choice. Otherwise I would go with pirated LRc.
what are you talking about? capture one isn't rawtherapee. it has a huge batch workflow like LRc does but it is much better.

>>4516125
No. I hate Adobe but Lightroom is as good as it gets unfortunately.

>>4516198
as a C1 user, I can tell you it definitely is not as good as lightrooms.

>>4516141
>better suite of tools than LRc but doesn't do as well with workflow efficiency
C1 has better workflow. Thats like half the reason I switched years ago.
>>4516213
What specifically with LR is better?

>>4516234
Redownloaded LR Classic to see how it is, C1 is still significantly better workflow wise, so I'm curious to see where LR has the advantage for others. I could see it with cloud support, but definitely not anything like actually using the program.

>>4516213
>>4516141
Second this. There is a reason why LR is industry standard.

>>4516189
Nikon d610
>>4516134
More on this genp? This is the first time I’ve ever heard of it.

Also for the record everyone I started with a pirated lrc but bought the actual software because the actual updated software works way better than the 2012 pirate version
Yes, I have a job and can afford to buy nice things from time to time. Shocking, I know. Yes I’m a retarded normie, I know.
I just was wondering if there is a modern version of Lightroom classic / ps that works at a similar level and can do the things I like

I’m talking about hdr landscape panoramas and focus stacking product photos. Color grading portraits. All of those things are EASY AS FUCK on lrc/ps. I have no experience with any other software. I’m looking for good competition to go to because adobe sucks.
I know daVinci resolve took pr pro’s lunch. I was looking for that but for lrc/ps

>>4516249
Could you elaborate on what you prefer in LR from a workflow perspective? If it helps, I could list the stuff I prefer in C1 to give you an idea of what I'm asking about
>>4516251
Just get C1

>>4516250
You can find the link to it on freemediaheckyeah (FMHY). It should say more on the site, you can also find some threads on reddit about it. It patches any adobe creative cloud product so it doesnt need a subscription.

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>>4516250
>Nikon d610
you can just use the in-camera "NEF (RAW) processing"

if you really want to use a computer there is also NX Studio which respects the D-Lighting setting.

>>4516274
Yes but no hdr merging or pano stitching

>>4516251
>2012 pirate version
just pirate the newer version, then? at the very least the october 2025 version of LRC is piratable, probably even newer versions by now.

>>4516290
>>4516251
Well thats why you use GenP. You download the program once and you can patch whatever version you download. Ive never even updated the GenP program, I downloaded it once a few years ago and it still patches LRc fine.

>>4516249
>Second this. There is a reason why LR is industry standard.
except capture one is? wtf are u talking about lol

>>4516305
Adobe has 49% of the market share with lightroom. How much does capture one have?

>>4516306
for professional? I'd say about 75% or more. i dont give a fuck some dadtog on flickr uses LRc lol

>>4516307
>I'd say about 75% or more
Ok well the 49% market share is an actual statistic so if you're just making shit up I guess its GG :)

>>4516308
source: your ass
again, no one cares about subscriptions to losers taking photos of building corners bro

>>4516308
https://www.reddit.com/r/captureone/comments/1l03r79/apart_from_fashion_portrait_product_photography/

You are quite retarded. GG. ;)

>>4516306
>49% of the market share
Adobe has a larger market share, but that's because they also get all the normies and hobbyists.
C1 is absolutely the industry standard the higher up you go, especially for anything studio or portrait related.

>>4516312
Holy shit why are building corner photos so prevalent with plebeians?

>>4516306
Adobe literally forces people to use their shit in schools. That doesn’t make it good. It’s subscription only, riddled with generative AI, and harvests your photos for training data (and surveillance). Adobe software could feasibly spy on your whole PC if you use windows on bare metal. Maybe don’t use it instead of coping about market share? Canon has market share dominance but that’s because no one else makes ultra cheap cameras like the r100 r50 r10 and rp and no one else lines the shelves at physical stores with them. That doesn’t mean those cameras are amazing it just means they’re all most people can access and afford.

Capture one is more expensive up front and only known among professional photographers. They are so pro only they neglected improving noise reduction for ages because their market doesn’t use it.

>>4516306
>Adobe has 49% of the market share with lightroom
cuz it's slop

>>4516304
>GenP
I'm going to look into this. Thanks, anon.

>>4516363
Sorry, i just looked into the current state of genp, the original dev stopped working on it. The newest version is 3.8.0 and it no longer works. There are a couple of shills on reddit shilling their unofficial malware version which 4.0.4 or anything higher than 3.8.0. The state of adobe piracy is officially dead. m0nkrus has been known malware for sometime. Unfortunately going to have to renew my adobe subscription which fucking sucks.

>>4516353
Lol i tried it. I wish it were good. I wanted so fucking badly for it to be good but it’s probably the most dogshit software ive ever used. Its just paying $600 for darktable. No camera profiles, extremely poor raw details, awful negative converter. I would have bought that shit straight up if it were good, i hate adobes subscription model. This hobby genuinely fucking sucks, you cant do shit without adobe.

>>4516125
Yes capture one

Lightroom is horrible. The only thing capture one doesn’t do better is support for shitty canon lenses and older low end DSLR lenses.

>>4516384
>This hobby genuinely fucking sucks, you cant do shit without adobe.
That's what C1 is for bb

>>4516313
REKT

>>4516290
just installed pirated 15.4.1 version 3 days ago. published 20 something june 2026

>>4516385
Capture one doesn’t have camera matching profiles. Only professionally calibrated profiles meant for accuracy and fuji’s film sims.

Imagine shooting raw just to have no way to easily get back to the default sony jpeg look or nikons amazing realistic colors… shameful

>>4516428
Imagine shooting raw and wanting to get back to the default sony jpeg look or nikons colors

>>4516426
how much malware did it come with?

>>4516125

Yes, cracked Lightroom.

>>4516428
>Capture one doesn’t have camera matching profiles
It seems like the majority of Canon shooters still use LRc for this reason. I would switch if they added support for Canon camera profiles. I don't know why they don't 99% of canon cameras just have the same 6 profiles. If you look online in Canon spaces all the pros are still using LRc, and some hobbyists are using DPP4. I think I could live without NLP for a bit, Nate's coming out with a standalone NLP soonish anyways I think. However, it seems like when you buy Capture one perpetual, which is the only financially responsible way to buy it, you only get access to that specific version you buy or something? I've seen people upgrade their OSX version and get locked out of their C1 because its not supported. Can you even buy an upgrade at that point or do you have to fork over the 400 bucks again?

>>4516473
Man, I wish I could get through life being this retarded

>>4516473
that sounds like an itoddler problem

i use the latest c1 on windows 10 ltsb
>know how to use a computer
>life gets easier and less expensive/more profitable in the long run
yes folks it is that simple

>>4516499
>>4516517
So I guess we're just not addressing the crux of what I said. Cool, keep shilling. Hey can u tell ur boss he needs to cut your funding and work on the software a little harder cuz its straight bad ngl.

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>>4516553
>apple broke a 4 year old capture one because cupertino radically changed their system architecture again to force the goycattle to upgrade everything and confuse the 10 neckbeards who find ways around apple’s built in spyware
>this is capture one’s fault
dont use a mac if you want software to work long term
simple as

iToddlers btfo

>>4516604
I dont use a mac I just think you shouldn't scam your customers.

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>>4516604
Go back to /g/ anon

>>4516604
Goyslop Microslop mentality

>>4516553
>not addressing the crux of what I said
Okay
>the majority of Canon shooters still use LRc for this reason
Nope lol, and you're big retarded if you think this is why.
>I would switch if they added support for Canon camera profiles
They do though, to a similar extent LR does.
>If you look online in Canon spaces all the pros are still using LRc
If you look in other spaces you can see all the pros using C1, including many using Canon.
>and some hobbyists are using DPP4
Yes, some people don't care about their images.
>you only get access to that specific version you buy or something?
Yes, just like LR and PS (pre CC).
> I've seen people upgrade their OSX version and get locked out of their C1 because its not supported
Well yeah, same thing happens if you a camera that comes out after your version of C1, or C1 implements a new feature you want to use. You get all minor updates within the first year of purchase. How often do you upgrade your operating system?
>Can you even buy an upgrade at that point or do you have to fork over the 400 bucks again?
For the last few years it's been 40% off if you upgrade within the first year, and 20% off within the 2nd year.

>>4516607
What's the scam?

>>4516626
The scam is capture one doesn’t update old versions to cope with applel’s insistence on cucking their users with major OS revisions apparently
>i upgraded my working OS to get nicer rounded window corners and new dock animations and apple broke my old software! upgrade my license for free! >:(
>-iToddlers
itoddlers that have been btfo will blame literally anything but applel lol

>>4516620
>iToddler’s strongest weapon: being antisemitic while mentioning windows
Jews are based and palestine never existed as a cohesive nation, just random squatters fleeing their home countries and a few christian alcoholics
Bomb em again Ben!

>>4516626
>>4516629
>Jews are based
>Buy capture one guise!!!
>It's not a scam!!!
Why can amerifats not resist humilating themselves at every opportunity?

>>4516630
Every time you seethe about Jews, G-d kills a muslim.

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>>4516639
This is a photography forum, anon. Please take your medication.

>>4516642
Most famous photographers are Jewish.

>>4516655
of course, they are kike nepobabies

>>4516440
Don t know.. anyway the pc is installed on is only for photo editing and as an emulator for switch 1 marion games that my wife s son is playing. Even if it will be encrypted by ransomewate i can get everything formated and reinstalled in 1 hr. No important info on that pc. And nothing is running in the background that usses cpu/gpu.
M0nkrus version installed. It is what it is. Don't want to take the risk the pay your jewish overlords

>>4516849
>wife’s son
Don’t talk to me about Jewish overlords

>>4516906
Shutup bro he's the dad that stepped up.

The only not-LR alternative I liked was DxO Photolab and the latest version cracked is 9.2 (its at 9.9 now)

>>4516413
Isn't that just trading one problem for the same problem.

>>4516929
The only problem for that OP is wanting to shoot RAW, but not actually care about processing it, they can solve their problem by sticking with JPG

https://photoeditor.polarr.co/

I use sites now on my iPad , this and photography, subscribe to adobe why

>>4517011
*Photopea

I use pirated LR on my tablet, great for trips.
On my desktop I use darktable but its 5 million menus scares me.

OP just pirate LR, if you're used to it it's not really worth learning another program.

>>4517336
The 5 million menus are not the problem. It is 5 millions menus but still don't have that one basic setting you want to do is the problem.

>>4517377
like?

>>4517378
Like with a blown out sky I want to bring back some contrast but with the new workflow and "Darktable ideals" you don't exactly have contrast, exposure, shadows and highlights anymore because all of this is tied into AgX because it is more "scientifical" and gives you back 1% more color that you would never notice in printing but the farts smell lovely now. All I want is set a gradient mask and tie some highlights and contrast setting to it. You can't. You have the outdated shadows and highlights module from 10 years ago that is absolute ass and leave horrible masking lines for some reason.