>>4517696
If you were speaking any truth you wouldn’t be attention whoring on 4chan over it

You know you’re giving up something you enjoy. Or maybe looking up longingly instead. Short on cash? Lol.

Now give us the usual cope about instagram on phones and return to the orange site

>>4517702
The fuck are you talking about. I don’t even have instagram. I print for books and prints up to 2x3ft.

I used to hike with an RZ67.

I enjoyed the fantasy of using a film or sensor size that “pros” use. I haven’t picked up my Gfx 50R in months. You what I do love? My Ricoh griiix. Obsessing over specs doesn’t matter if you don’t take the camera with you.

Sounds like you want me to feed into your own delusions about what a real “photographer” is or sone gay shit.

>dont be a gear whore!
>blows $2000 on a "26mp" (16mp adjusted for cfa blur) cope machine that gets mogged hard by a $300 5DIII and $100 40mm f2.8

>>4517705
I paid $800.

>>4517704
Nice reddit spaced seethe rant but it really sounds more like you ruined photography for yourself by being an actual gear whore and now you spend all day on /p/ taking it out on people who are happy with their a7vs and r5iis whenever you aren’t taking pics of your dog. I cant fathom being mentally ill enough to make a nophoto thread informing 4chan of my choice of camera and claiming its the best. I already know my camera is the best. You come to me to hear about it. Not the other way around. Sucka.

>>4517707
/p/ is dead I’m just here to shitpost. Imagine taking this place or the internet seriously. I’m just excited to get my xpro2 and warn others film and large cameras.

>>4517708
>i made a mistake and need to shitpost to feel better about it
Just the latest in a string of purchases, each one definitely the camera unlike the last
People like you dont realize it but you get bored with photography. It’s not the camera. People who enjoy photography still take their D850 out daily.

>>4517709
I don’t see the mistake when I rarely used the camera I had. I gave up the photographer dreams long ago and just want a system that I actually use.is that so bad. Also no one uses a dslr anymore

>>4517710
> I gave up the photographer dreams long ago
Yeah it shows
Happy people don’t have to post purchase cope about how their old camera is bad and the one they just ordered is good on /p/.

An xpro3 is still roughly the same size as a sony a7iv with small primes. Not too far off from a canon r8 or nikon zf either. You’re still another purchase or two away from realizing you don’t like doing photography more than you dislike carrying a camera anymore.

You’re not the first or the last person to go down this melodramatic road.

>>4517704
The thing I always wonder about bringing small cameras places you wouldn't want to bring bigger cameras is what worthwhile picture are you hoping to take and where? Are you really going to take a world class photo walking down the street or on a hike?
I get that it's nice and convenient and fun to just have a little camera to snap around with, but if I'm doing "serious" photography I am not bothered by larger cameras because I bring the best tools I can at any cost because it enables me to produce the best images I can.

>>4517711
>down this melodramatic road
*on /p/
for that matter. /m43/ was basically just that.
>i dont miss the nice camera i used to love at all. this cheaper lower end one is totally just as good. actually photography is gay cya. -/m43/

>>4517712
How many world class photos has the collective of /p/ or this guy >>4517711 ever taken? I’m gonna go with zero.

Cameras are just tools and we all have our preferences and perceptions. >>4517711 is probably a little right that I’m being restless and justifying a purchase. I didn’t say all other cameras are bad though, just that there is a trap with film and larger formats that I personally fell into which meant I took less photos, got less practice, and fell out of it. It’s a hobby though which waxes and wanes.

I’ll say the Ricoh griii is really cool though and I never thought I’d think a p&s would be worth anything

>>4517717
>uhhh no one here is rich so no one deser… needs a nice camera
all the melodramatic gearfags say this m8 its getting old

congratulations on your most recent camera upgrade. i hope the next time the unhappinates dominates and you need to make a change to beat it back, you choose between just using what you have or quitting. this shopping and post purchase rationalizing is concerning.

yes a camera is a camera, they’re tools that take pictures. if you want to take pictures you will. if it doesn’t matter what camera you use if you use it, why should anyone care about what bullshit you bought, including you? these melodramatic gearfags are getting tiring.
>half of /p/ be like
>hey chat its ya boy canon r3 fag here i just sold my R3 and went to a panasonic gx9 itll help me shoot more ok? maybe you guys should consider. tell me what you think in the comments.
>*quits photography 3 sensor size arguments later*

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>>4517721
98% of the internet discourse on photography is hardcore gearfagging so you better not get tired of it. I get it you’re one of the chosen true photographers good for you. I’m gonna shoot this xpro2 get bored of it and come back next year with a similar thread when I buy the xpro4, set your alerts. Here’s a snapshit I made with my 50r oh one true photographer.

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>>4517724
More 50r snapshits. You can’t stop me and I will do the same with the xpro2

>>4517717
I think you're intentionally missing my point. Answer my question please.
Personally I don't think the trap is about camera size or format it's about your own shortcomings as a photographer. Choosing the wrong tool for the job is not the tools fault. It is your fault for choosing it.

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>>4517729
I clearly stated I was fixated on medium format sized sensors, so yea I didn’t understand my own personal needs for a camera. It’s still an amazing machine that I will be sad to sell but I just don’t use it much.

>>4517733
You used it when you did photography and now you’re coping about selling it? kek

a gearfag is someone who never stops camera shopping. for real, 1" and 200g isn’t going to change your life or anyones. its still a large camera that looks obvious and needs to be on a strap, on a clip, or in a bag.

see you next dumb purchase rationalization thread where you will declare the secret to good photography is using whatever you bought and that an old clunky aps-c is a gearfag trap that held you back from doing whatever

>>4517724
98% of photography discourse on the internet is boomers with shopping addictions and money issues desu

>>4517696
I did mostly the same, went up to 4x5 for film, GFX for digital, then scaled back
Now I shoot 50/50 apsc or FF digital
XPro2's been the digital I've kept onto and shot the longest

>>4517771
you sound like a major gearfag. imagine being like you. let me guess you get mad and argue over sensor size, autofocus, and weather sealing even if you dont own the camera being called shit?
>what did you just say about BRAND, you little bitch? did you dare to call BRAND bad/good? ill have you know i found this picture on google images that shows a BRAND CAMERA… this is an important issues that warrants an endless thread derail. leave BRAND alone/stop shilling BRAND.
>-the posters who killed /p/
>aggregate: unemployed dog owning neo nazi russiaboo hobby farmer pothead from bristol that divorced his wife to marry an om-5

>>4517773
>major gearfag
If you do photography for +15 years, you'll probably end up using many different cameras
Part of the enjoyment of the hobby for me is trying out new gear, and systems, and formats, and techniques
Took a long time to figure out what I actually like shooting instead of what I think I'd like shooting or what I thought would be cool to photograph

No, I don't see the point in arguing about stuff like that here lol

What are some of the favorite cameras you've used?

>>4517777
> No, I don't see the point in arguing about stuff like that here lol
spoilers: he spent like 5 hours furiously defending the canonikon rp-50’s honor

>>4517777
I find that everyone goes through their gearfag stage. You kind of have to if you get deep into the hobby. Eventually you'll rewind, settle on a capable unit and lens selection (as little or as much as you actually use), and get to the point where you're done.

>>4517781
>I don't see the point
Example A

>>4517786
spoilers: he saw the point up until 20 minutes ago

>>4517785
That’s not true at all. A lot of people, most people actually, just buy the best camera they can get once and keep it until it breaks. Yes, even “serious photographers”. Even PROFESSIONAL photographers. Most I know are literally waiting for their 5div to break and have an og eos r6 used exclusively for video, or started recently and have two sony a7iiis. 99/100 real life people do not give a fuck about gear, just buy whats obviously good and keep it, and do not do this swap and shop shit with the associated drama and cope about how this time you bought the best camera and your old one was a scam for retards once adjusted for equivalence, instagram, and deep dives into the mtf chart ratios of collected cfa photons. That is very much a 4chan, reddit, and forum thing for autistic genetic dead ends.

Digital cameras are appliances. If you are art sperging, the majority of art was, is, and always will be shot on film. If you think an extra 20mp is a game changer for you, well shot 35mm is already capable source material for detailed albeit grainy scans in excess of 200mp and all the artists have pentax 67s so… if there’s an upgrade that takes aesthetics to the next level it says kodak on the wrapper and costs $100 a frame to milk for peak quality because it’s a significant work of art and will be displayed in a gallery and sold for thousands.

>>4517794
a major aspect of film is that every shot is guaranteed to be real and unique, every print is unique, and the entire process involves craftsmanship. the human element and scarcity give even half frame shots value that a 100mp fujigfx100.raf can never have

digislugs sperging, coping, swapping, and shopping looks petty when compared to film’s greatness

>>4517789
Example B
>>4517794
Example C
>>4517795
Example D

>>4517796
It must hurt to have your swap-n-shop hobby humiliated like this

Get over it. Digital cameras are appliances. It has never mattered which one you used. They have always been made and priced like appliances with objective improvements in functionality and social signaling correlating with price Your first should have been your last.

If you ever wanted to move in to something to change the way you worked and produce better work for it, you would have already been shooting 6x7 or 4x5. But that must have felt pointless to do as a non-artist, so you’ve gone back to digital camera swap-n-shop to continue pretending that it ever mattered if you had a nice appliance or a mediocre appliance.

>>4517797
Example E
>>4517798
Example F

>>4517794
trvth nvke
>actually gearfaggoty is inevitable! any serious photographer will buy and sell a dozen digishitters while obsessing over each pixel’s sufficiency
no it is not
no one does that
its just internet tech nerds
you are not normal for constantly buying and selling cameras while being an angsty shit
you are generating waste to fellate your ego. ebay fees, logistics emissions, junk sent to the landfill. mountains of functional cameras collecting algae and corrosion in a pile somewhere. barrels of oil vaporized. because you thought it really mattered if your camera weighed 0.2lb less and didn’t tell other people you took this seriously when you don’t, or if it weighed 0.2lb more and took slightly nicer looking photos.

what a fucking shame you lived any amount of your adult life being this way
being a fucking gearfag

>>4517799
what a fucking shame you lived any amount of your adult life being this way
being a fucking gearfag
vaporizing barrels of oil, mountains of coal, untold man hours, because one day you wanted to carry an extra 0.2lb and take nicer photos, and another you gave up on your dreams and didn’t

a digital camera
is an appliance

your first should have been your last

there is no excuse, defense, or reason for being a gearfag.

this thread is about a shopping addicts latest egotistical pursuit to own the perfect camera for himself like it ever fucking mattered
and now you’re here begging us not to mock him because you did the same thing? too fucking bad. all the swapping and shopping and cope you did was a waste of time and the damage you did to the world, your life, and your finances is permanent and pointless. you’re never getting any of it back, especially not the time you wasted giving a shit about whether or not you “should” have had some camera instead of another nicer/worse one.

stop. shopping. gearfag.
and stop making these wut camera, i regret my camera, new camera reddit threads. fuck off and USE your camera.

>>4517802
Example G

>>4517802
Based and fuck gearfags pilled

Fuck corgifag, fuck doghair, fuck cANON, fuck huskyfag, fuck moop, fuck /m43/, fuck /gear/. Fuck everyone who thinks photos of their dog need the perfect camera. No one cares if it’s medium format or 1"! Buy one camera like you buy one toaster and FUCKING USE IT.
>But i don’t like using it anymore and maybe if I buy this one I’ll have fun for a little while and then maybe if I buy another I’ll have fun for a little while and-
Man up and use your camera, or fuck off and quit photography. Buying cameras is an idiotic hobby to have.

>>4517803
>t. r/leica reject that just got btfo across time and space
id say total gearfag death but ya’ll ruin your finances, social lives, and general enjoyment of photography by gearfagginf. one guy here even got divorced. others stop posting and show up somewhere else on 4chan doing something other than photography. some went from trying to be photographers to shitting 3 snapshots of their dog in /rpt/ once a week. gearfagging is not natural progression. it’s self destruction.

if it inspires joy and makes you want to shoot pictures with it, its worth it op

even m43, if you like shooting pictures with it does the rest matter? cameras are tools and if you like using a certain tool it doesnt matter if another tool is better

being anti-gearfagging is contrarian, part of enjoying this hobby is seeing how different cameras feel and what results you can produce with it. the act of photography in itself is gearfaggotry unless you're born with a digital camera in hand.

>>4517806

just keep your head out your ass about it, you wouldnt give that spiel to a normie at a liquor store buying a few beers on a friday night like you would to a wino buying a bottle every morning

>>4517806
You must take amazing photos

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>>4517696
I've been doing pro work on events with this camera at 6400 ISO, it works well enough for everything
Would like IBIS in next model though, would be nice

>>4517814
> being anti-gearfagging is contrarian,
No it’s being normal and having a normal revolted reaction to nerds being faggots. Gearfags are 4chan/reddit losers. Real life people are not like you.
>part of enjoying this hobby is seeing how different cameras feel and what results you can produce with it.
No. The hobby is about taking nice photos. Not obsessing over the 5% difference switching to a different brand makes or worrying about if an extra half inch and 4oz is why you’re not enjoying it anymore.
>the act of photography in itself is gearfaggotry
It sure is for you.

Nerds waste their entire life being a child at a tot store.

>>4517820
OP here looks good. Don't know why /p/ attracts schizos. Lot schizo posting in this thread.

>>4517771
While the schizo(s) in the thread are annoying, there is a thread of truth. While MF and larger formats can give something nice and specific, it really doesn't matter if they are dogs pics or some shit. im just realizing what matters and what doesn't. For me, i'd rather be taking photos more often and a GFX is a bit large for me to want to do that. Its not even the body size so much as the lens size that really affects it.

I realize that you dont need an MF camera to make good 2ft x 3ft prints which is probably as big as I'll ever go.

>>4517823
>You in 2 months:
>old aps-c is a sham. i missed out on so many photos because the ISO didnt go high enough or the autofocus was too slow. i finally came to my senses and got a sony a7c. i’m done disappointing my friends and family declining to take photos an old larp camera can’t nail reliably. oh, and the weather sealing is working great.
>or
>aps-COPE is more like it. this fuji xpro is a huge clunky junker. i switched to an OM system OM-5II. some professionals use it and it looks fine. actually, its sharper and modern denoise makes it look better than my fuji ever did. the autofocus is better, my lenses are cheaper, and it goes everywhere with me and into weather fuji can’t handle. you are all fools for using FOOL frame.
>or
>fuji mirrorless… eventually, I grew up and got a DSLR. bottom price. peak performance. i’ll shoot in a warzone, i dont care, a replacement camera is $250. and everyone thinks its cool because its old.
You’re not the first blogposting gearfag here or the last. There’s a dozen a year and they all did what you’re doing now several times before quitting photography.

Stop gearfagging while you have the chance. Your habit does not have an end point. You’ll just keep camera shopping whenever you get bored.

You never had a reason to sell your last camera unless you couldn’t actually afford it in the first place and were trying to impress 4chan when you bought it (sadly, this is also common here) and are now trying to save face under the assumption someone recognizes you (yes this happens to, its why we have *fags who maintain identities)

I don’t think 4chan/reddit people actually understand how abnormal they are. their tendency to constantly buy and sell gear while trying to justify each choice as the best choice, even if it’s objectively a downgrade, is bizarre. It’s easiest to interpret as running out of money without wanting to admit to it… except when they quickly shift to a huge upgrade or multi-camera kit.

The people with walls of electric guitars or golf clubs they don’t use anymore are actually more common.

>>4517821
>Real life people are not like you.

Explain the existence of camera stores, youtubers, eBay, even trade shows like photorama and BILD. I'm not even touching on photography specific publications.

>This hobby is about taking nice photos

It can also about collecting pieces used to take those photos; arguing otherwise is denial and cope. I'd argue there's a big difference between a M43 and MF camera which is why half this thread is shitposting about sensor size again. Its when you argue for 100+ posts about Sony vs Canon colors where I agree with you. You're just the other reactionary fringe of those arguments.

>Nerds

again, this is 4chan. if you weren't a nerd you'd take photos with your iphone and post it on instagram/snapchat like everyone else. this quit being a hobby for normies when your cellphone could take decent photos.

>>4517827

let people enjoy things, cameras are a cheap hobby compared to cars, horses, traveling, pokemon cards, furry porn/fursuiting/kigurumis, even guitars. again, i never heard of a camera needing a vet visit and most of your gear has *some* value unless it gets bashed or lost at sea

>>4517832
>camera stores
And magic the gathering stores?

The internet makes things look bigger and live longer than they are and normally would

One day you will grow up and do this:
Stop shopping after you buy the thing

>>4517835
>Magic the Gathering Stores

Actually every city has a hobby store, sometimes multiple along with expos/trade shows so yeah. I know Montreal has a store exclusively dedicated to WH40K.

Google Maps "anime store" and you'll be floored how easy it is to get figma in 2020+.

And to add to my original post; if you like a M43 camera who cares; just take photos you like with it. If the smaller size or the lenses make you like it over your old setup (or just using the camera feels REALLY nice) then keep doing it! You're not getting paid to do it and a true normie just takes photos with their Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra/iPhone 17 to share on their family's WhatsApp groupchat.

>>4517837
>every city has a toy store that gets 80% of its revenue from global ecommerce so the 50 local aspies can pretend they’re still relevant
Yeah. And?

>>4517829
I bought a few 1900s vintage lenses and camera stuff from a guy who was selling his great grandpas camera gear, and he had over 20 different lenses and like 10+ large format camera bodies from varying makers. Seller told me he was a very well respected photographer. I guess sample size one, but I don't think that it is that abnormal unless you're specifically talking about constantly cycling out gear.

>>4517840
>unc missed 2020 covid lockdown that turned every normie into nerds

you can look this up yourself btw wizards has a store locator; were you one of those nerds that were bullied as a kid and now feels the need to gatekeep/lash out at everybody now that he "grew up" and left the hobby?

https://locator.wizards.com/

>>4517844

most of those old vintage lens groups on facebook are not full of nerds or 4chan autismos...but geriatric boomers with kids old enough to post on reddit

>>4517844
Cycling gear is 100% bizarre. Mentally ill. People shouldn’t do it.

A wall of gear accumulated from doing different jobs and receiving gifts is another thing entirely.

>>4517845
No. I bullied the nerds and eventually built a six figure photography business with a camera I stole from a nerd in highschool and forgot to sell. Cause? Blowjobs. Simple as.

>>4517850
you're giving nerds blowjobs????? wtf...you're weird bro

This thread is funny to read as the designated camera shop guy

>>4517845
MtG is up there with photo as a top hobby for me, can be just as expensive (or cheap) as photo, both are pretty normal as far as "adult" hobby expenses go

>>4517845
>most of those old vintage lens groups on facebook are not full of nerds or 4chan autismos...but geriatric boomers with kids old enough to post on reddit
t.doesn't own a single vintage lens and doesn't know anything about the market.

>>4517851
The way I interpret it is that nerds bullied him into giving them blowjobs for an APS-C camera he stole from them or something. Very gay regardless.

>>4517868
Lots of younger people and millenials use them to do wetplate.

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Oy… this thread hit close to home

I guess you gentlemen have a point. Because I used to use superior micro four thirds before downgrading to a sony im on my way out. This hobby never was for me. Im selling my sony and quitting photography for good. You will never have to see my corgi, egg, or husky photos again.

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>>4517871
Here is your (you), good sir.

>>4517871
Wait, that’s not a repost! Ladies and gearfags, we got him!

>>4517871
>my corgi
You have a corgi too?

>>4517874
It's ken rockwell taking pictures of the dogs that stay at his doggy daycare. It's really quite obvious if you think about it.

>>4517874
You haven’t seen the green tinted corgi yet?

>>4517876
No, just a cutie that gets all the attention on board

>>4517871
>vecteezy
>ai
kek

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>>4517696
correct take, OP.

/thread
/board
/site

>>4517712
I can carry three primes and my 6D in a similar space and weight as I can my 1DX and one prime.
Compactness does help at times.

>>4517744
>boomers with shopping addictions and money issues
So boomers?

>>4517892
Without boomers we wouldn’t be able to pick up pristine cameras and glass at good prices tho. God bless them.


Always funny to visit a forum with boomers babbling about specs and then you look at their god awful snapshits of a flower or bird that is the most uninspiring thing you’ve ever seen taken on a a $20k Leica system or some shit

>>4517891
You taking snapshits in the nutty putty cave bro?

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make way, master race comin' thru

>>4517898
Doubt you've ever taken any coolpix with that rig.

>this is the /p/ equivalent of /lit/'s "your books spines aren't even bent you pseud"

>>4517871
>>4517872
I am just now beginning to realize some /p/ users are AI

>>4517837
>Google Maps "anime store" and you'll be floored how easy it is to get figma in 2020+
I was honestly surprised to see Genshin merchandise at a local gasoline station.

>>4517902
>t. ai
Nice try, but you are NOT fooling me.

>>4517897
No?

>>4517896
>Without boomers we wouldn’t be able to pick up pristine cameras and glass at good prices tho
I wasn't complaining.
I appreciate their profligate nature.

>>4517860
>MtG is up there with photo as a top hobby for me
faggot manchild lmao

>>4517897
ngl this was funny

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As non-professionals it's all about the emotions. When shooting, when holding the camera, when editing photos and of course later when looking at them. Remembering that moment in the past.

Started with fuji apsc and at some point when to full frame. First the A7IV and from there I tried to find the same pleasure I had with the Fujis. Tried several brands and always ended up not enjoying the camera all that much. But it's really difficult to go back to apsc image quality when used to full frame. It's like a massive downgrade. I compare raw files in LR and full frame looks so alive, crisp, so much detail. I'm so close to just sell all my FF gear (currently the Zf with lenses) and just go X-E5 with those qt crons. Or wait for x-Pro4. But I'm always too afraid that I miss the details I get from FF.

Also I think Fujifilm (and Leica) are the only ones with good product designers. Their cameras look beautiful. Something you can have around your neck without looking like a creep. And they bring much more joy when using. Of course a Canon might be the best ergonomical solution but god damn they are ugly.

>>4517934
At this point if you want Fuji design but don't want anything less than full frame, you know what to do. The 50MP GFX cams are pretty similar to FF prices these days and while they don't really look better than FF like the GFX 100s do, at least they aren't worse.

>>4517935
All the 50s are bad for video unfortunately. And I do 50/50 hybrid. Wish they would make a new 50R with modern AFand something like 4k/30 without much rolling shutter.

>>4517927
What other hobbies do you enjoy anon?

>>4517934
>But I'm always too afraid that I miss the details I get from FF.
I was this way too until I started doing more a/b comparisons and saw how marginal the difference actually was, with GFX too
Good glass + technique + processing are a way bigger priority for me now than just sensor size

>>4517934
This is peak non photographer gearfag
>its not about the photos, its about fashion and live action role play
Are you a woman? Because your entire post is a laughably stupid thing for a man to think.

>>4517945
>just ditch your good camera for a fuji bro you dont need good autofocus or image quality because im literally a gay redditor and only take photos of my dog
lol
maybe if your reference point is junk like a nikom fuji isnt that bad

>>4517966
>let me completely make up what someone says so I can argue with it
Good try

>>4517967
you’re literally a gay dog dad from reddit bro if all you photograph is a dog of course your camera doesn’t matter because your photos don’t either.

especially if your reference point is junk like a nikon instead of a sony or a canon r5

>>4517969
>I just have to keep lying
Good try

>>4517970
ok nophoto

>>4517972
Good try

>>4517973
no photo

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>>4517974
So we've worked up to 5 a few times, let's try 6.

What are some of your favorite cameras that you've used?

>>4517975
Nophoto are you ok?

>>4517977
Back to 5, good try anon!

What are some of your favorite cameras that you've used?

>>4517975
This poster seems to be AI. They keep asking people what cameras they use out of context and are generally retarded.

>>4517979
Get a load of this nophoto.
>Gay pet parents from reddit be like
>hello where are the children
>OwO

>>4517980
Ah good try, but I see you're still having your tantrum, I'll check back later and see if you're in a better mood

>>4517982
Will you have photos when you return?

Hopefully not more AI generated pet snapshots

>>4517983
This poster seems to be AI. They keep asking people for photos out of context and are generally retarded.

>>4517985
>They keep asking people for photos..: retarded.
>/p/ - Photography

>>4517702
>>4517707
>don't be a gear whore
and you sperged out

>>4517992
and he was right about almost everything. if your camera doesn’t matter why do you "swap and shop"? this retarded nophoto gear whore thread got what it deserved

he saw something deeper and more psychological but i think op is actually having money problems, know you’re making a bad choice that won’t make you shoot more (you cant buy skill or passion, not sustainably), and are using 4chan to vent your cognitive dissonance
one thing he was very right about was the similarity to /m43/ attention whores. feel bad about getting bored with a nice ff camera -> try to buy downmarket to beat diminishing interest -> take 10 test shots on a walk and lose even more interest. many such cases.

>>4517937
Ah, even the 100 is bad for video from what I've seen. FF sounds like the best compromise. Leica's new FF has good video I think but it isn't the classic M or Q design that I (and presumably you) like.

>>4517945
I've done a/b comparisons with both my APS-C and FF and FF is so much nicer. But I still use APS-C sometimes.

>>4517998
What are some of your favorite cameras that you've used?

Let's see if you've calmed down by now

>>4518060
Why does this bot keep asking random posters this exact question? I’ve seen people engage with it and get nothing back.

Is it a malfunctioning gpt-4chan agent someone forgot to maintain?

Anyways, I agree OP is a fucking retard for trying to purchase a way to reignite his enjoyment. He's just going to realize it’s still a conspicuous camera on a strap after testing it out, cope and seethe about the huge iq downgrade, and stop taking photos until he buys more gear to try. It is the fate of all gearfags.

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>>4517696
Why stop there? Come home and enjoy life like a sane, reasonable person.

>>4517696
>Bros, 24MP is enough. Just shoot.
ftfy

>>4518077
>24mp is enough
>no, 12!
>no, 8!
24mp is more useful than 12mp and looks nicer
45mp is useful and looks nicer
100mp is more useful and looks nicer
180mp is only for the chosen
35mm film is 275mp
use the one you want to use
don’t let gear queers tell you what’s what. it’s just to justify their latest funko pop and their inability to afford more than a few at once.

>>4518073
like this goy cant even afford a camera because he blew $1400 on an AI enabled tracking device that uses an IR camera to scan his face and surroundings every 15 seconds

>>4517696
>>4517706
So you paid thrice (3x) the price of a used 5D2 to have
>worse AF
>worse lenses
>less resolving power
>foveon tier high iso performance due to wormji
Funny that you would tell others to not be a gear whore, only to shoot the brand that stays in business by selling to people who only take photos of their camera.

>>4518079
>35mm film is 275mp

The whole roll maybe :D

>>4518064
Hmm this bot hasn't learned how to answer basic questions yet

>>4518127
>no ur the bot
Autistic kid or AI? We may never know

>>4518079
Nice b8 m8, I r8 8/8

>>4518329
>not g8 b8 m8
work on your memes, sir

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>>4518104
5d2 is great, but it's the 6di for me

>>4518442
Have you used the Mark II?

>finally made the switch from APS-C to FF yesterday
I haven't had the chance to do some proper shooting with it yet. It's kinda neat looking through all my vintage lenses with it and seeing a wider FOV, it almost feels like all my lenses are new again. This'll take some getting used to.

>>4519186
Happy days; what system?

>>4519188
A used a7 iii
It's not the newest or the flashiest but it's what I can afford. Until now I'd been using an a6000, so some of the features in the a7 iii may as well be alien space technology compared to what I'm used to.

The a6000 was a fun little camera and really helped me with grasping photography fundamentals but I was starting to push up against its many limitations, particularly in low light situations or astrophotography.

>>4519192
The E-mount would be a lot more compelling if they'd make a full frame camera in the styling of the NEX series.

>>4519194
The a7c is kind of close in styling and form factor, just with more dials and buttons.

>>4519192
A7III is goated. If you are doing a lot of low light or astro, I hope you have got good lenses!

>>4519198
It's thick with a giant grip that despoils its otherwise limited size.

>>4519202
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_lightest_mirrorless_cameras
Looking at this wiki article it would appear that unless you go and buy a Sigma then I doubt you're ever going to find a full-frame with the same depth dimensions as the NEX series.

>>4519203
The S9 would be it if they gave it a viewfinder.

>>4519205
I was going to say get an aftermarket EVF but then I read a bit more about it
>no hotshoe
wtf were they thinking?

The more I read about the S9 the more I'm questioning why it exists; I get that they stripped it of a lot of features because its target demographic is primarily """content""" creators but it sounds like it doesn't even do that particularly well. Just lots of weird design choices all around.

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>>4519194
>>4519205

The NEX cameras were styled with grips about the same size as the A7C's though. All of them have super dinky grips, which, while better than having no grip like the S9, really could use a normal size given the fact that the lens is going to add a lot of bulk anyway.

Now if you are talking about an NEX sized full frame, they'd have to forgo video which I would be perfectly fine with even though the retards at dpreview think adding video has no bearing to cameras.

>>4519202
meant to reply with
>>4519214
The A7C is not thick compared to the S9 and it does not have a giant grip if you are interested "in the styling of the NEX series"

The original A7 cameras were pretty thin but people complained about battery life and occasional overheating, probably videofags.

>>4519194
>The E-mount would be a lot more compelling if they'd make a full frame camera in the styling of the NEX series.
I really dont understand why they cant do a real a7c in the size of the original NEX bodies. I guess not having any small FF lenses has something to do with it.

>>4519235
Is there ever a point a camera would be too small for you?

>>4519214
>>4519235
I use an A5000 with the 18-135 kit on it, bought for my missus but she only uses her phone now. Its a dinky little thing, great for wondering around, but the screen is tiny and the focus gets confused. Changing settings is a pain.
Used it for astro with a vintage lens and a tracker but gave up trying to sequence shots, so purchased a Canon ASP-C. Ergonomics are night and day different and as much as I like the Sony, its too small for anything that requires quick adjustment of settings.
Was playing around with a friends A7iii recently. Ok but prefer Canon ergonomics.

>>4519214
personally i wouldnt be able to own a camera without an actual pasm dial; i like the nikon z30 for that reason

>>4519235
They could but I think the Sony plan is super compact APS-C with crappy pancakes (although the 20mm pancake is still pricey and not anything to write home about optically) and FF is supposed to be the "pro" expensive step up so their small lenses like the 40mm and 50mm G cost a lot and aren't pancakes but are a lot sharper than the Nikon or Panasonic pancakes. Viltrox has their 26mm f/2.8 pancake for FF e-mount now which I think is going to do well because a lot of FF e-mount users actually don't care too much about wide open sharpness and would be happy with a more compact setup. But of course pixel peepers like to trash small lenses because of their optical compromises. It took a long time for me to get around to using the 16-50mm kit lens on APS-C or the 28-60mm kit lens on FF because everyone was trashing them. Sure there is something special about pixel peeping on a good prime or big heavy zoom but sometimes convenience is just nicer.

>>4519268
I like the 16-50 kit lens, it weighs like a pancake that's why it's my go to travel lens.

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>>4519210
>wtf were they thinking?
As far as I can tell, they weren't.
That or they made it out of spite.
The most generous interpretation is that they cheapened it to serve as a test bed for the form factor and will improve on its successor.

>>4519216
>The original A7 cameras were pretty thin
They were.
Too bad they were shit, aside from the A7S, due to plastic mounts and gimped shutter mechs.

>>4519252
If there is; they haven't made it.
A full frame camera the size of the PowerShot D30 would be a dream.

>>4517696
I like to shoot in the dark and without flash so FF is my way to go.
In a studio setting or in daylight, APSC is sufficient, not Fuji though: sub par AF and demosaicing.
Ricoh is just perfect in that regard.

>>4519252
NEX-5 size is pretty much perfect(about half the size and weight of the a7c bodies). a7c is just too big.

>>4519327
The original A7 was fine given that it was the first FF interchangeable mirrorless camera. It'd be trivial for them to do update it but they won't since people seem to be happy with the A7C which is the same size as the S9 (which is an absolute shitshow >>4519326) with the dinky NEX grip you like.

>>4519367
>The original A7 was fine given that it was the first FF interchangeable mirrorless camera
How does that excuse throwing out decades of material science and camera design?

>>4519340
GR has absolute shit AF, probably worse than Fuji if such a thing is possible. But it is the most compact setup you can get for the sensor size. It's interesting that full frame film compacts could get pretty small and no one, even Ricoh themselves, has been able to replicate the film GR size in full frame. Pentax seem fine with doing weird cameras and I can't think of a technical reason now that sensors have microlenses and BSI.

>>4519265
Not a fan of PASM myself although it seems to be what Sony ended up adopting with the NEX-6 and 6000 series. Strange reason to specifically pick the z30 since pretty much every mirrorless camera has PASM these days.

>>4519344
I'd be happy if Sony did an update of the NEX-5 just for APS-C. There is no FF pancake in any system that comes close to the 20mm APS-C pancake size although I would want a viewfinder and flash and would be willing to live with a tiny screen to keep the dimensions.

>>4519371
the zve10 i bought and kept for a short time didnt have pasm, while the z30 did. im just saying i would've been happier with the z30. plus theyre cheap...$400 refurb from nikon at one point with the kit lens (now like $600)

>>4519369
Design flaws aren't uncommon even for things that should have been solved (oily shutters, foam gaskets, sensor rusting) because some engineer screwed up. Someone makes a metal replacement for the plastic shim for the A7 which would be a pretty cheap fix for any ebay camera with that issue. Granted they fixed that with later versions but none of those are as thin.

>>4519373
no that's fair and that is a great deal. The ZV series are Sony's video focused "vlogging" type cameras and they don't have a PASM dial and some other photo oriented features. The rest do.