I thought freeware was a meme until I tried RawTherapee and Darktable, and quickly realized the amount of neetbucks I would've saved had I not used Lightroom sooner. I don't even take pictures regularly. Why do photographers shill a corporation with comical levels of greed?
>>4522800Because Darktable is shit.
>>4522800>things costing money is bad>I’m on welfare and don’t do photography btwaverage sony/capture one hater
>>4522800Raw the Pee is alright, but C1 does all day to day editing better.
>>4522800>that tone curve
>>4522815First one looks like a generic base curve usually hidden as the initial import preset. Even Lightroom does it.
Anyone tried Rapidraw? I saw it mentioned in another thread
the golems will trip over themselves to pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to go see sportsball game or pop culture sing song dance. Why does it surprise you they will also pay 10$ for some jew's lightroom preset?
Because I've been a professional photographer for 25 years, I've used raw therapee and dark table, as well as a lot of other programs, and they are both stunted compared with photoshop and its myriad capabilities and plugins. If you can't afford less than 20 bucks a month for the world's premiere photography program, you probably shouldn't be treating photography as anything more than a casual pass time.
>>4522800>freewareThere's a perfectly good "free" version of Lightroom Classic if you know how to sail a ship
>>4522800>DarktableShit>RawtherapeeGood at the absolute most basic level, but lacking in a lot of features. I used it for the first few years of getting into digital photography.A few camera manufacturers also provide their own free RAW editing software and it'll be more color accurate to what you see in camera, so that's a better choice anyway.
>>4522800A capture one perpetual license costs as much as a kit zoom. Only consoomers and actual pros need subscriptions.
Isn't Darktable pretty good now with AGX? I never found it hard to use>Exposure>White Balance>AGX>Tone Equalizer>Color Balance RGB>Contrast Equalizer>then everything else (denoise / lens corrections / capture sharpening)
>>4522863Ren Kockwell, is that you?
>>4522800How is ai masking in c1 and resource hungry?I see c1 installation file is 1gig, lrc is 3.5 gigs, ps is 10gigs. Cracked versions.Do i need to install 10 gigs of plugins and shit to make it usable?I m doing very basic editing but ai masking is a time saver so a good ai masking is what i want but not so resource hungry as lrc.I m pretty happy with lrc but i wonder if the extra gigs are not bloat that just slow everything down and i never use.The only shit i hate about lrc is you cannot drag and drop files into it if you juat want to edit a caouple of pics fast. Also importing large numbers of pics takes too long. Also windows fucking photo viewer loads pisc much faster than lrc if i want to check them real fast and goes from fit to 100% zoom instantly while lrc still has to load details.
>>4522800>$15/mo is worth more than weeks of my lifeyeah schizo tranny get fucked not everyone has such a sad life
>>4522863>If you can't afford less than 20 bucks a month for the world's premiere photography program, you probably shouldn't be treating photography as anything more than a casual pass time.correct. and for these people there's the SOOC JPG mode
>>4522928The results of DT are always shit, never coming out as intended. Convoluted UI with many controls with all of them failing to give a single acceptable result. You want single slider result from LR? Do these 5 sliders and 3 modules juggling that only results in muddy colors or overcooked looks. All DT evangelists rave about "muh control" but an otherwise simple edit is impossible or massively overcomplicated. Devs don't know shit.
>>4522962actual skill issue
>>4522970Lol, literally all other editing software can do simple and usable UI/UX except DT. Even Raw the rupee can do it. Yes the skill issue is with the DT devs.
>>4522800>Why do photographers shill a corporation with comical levels of greed?As you can see in this thread, because they think paying $20 a month to a globohomo corpo turns you into a photographer. But only for as long as you pay.
>>4522976>Raw the rupeesaaarrrr i just got caughtDarktable too hard for me saar
>>4522976it takes a minute or two to set things up, you edit a few menus and youre golden. I am not the biggest fan of darktable just dumping every possible module on the user as a default setting but yeah, literally a skill issue.
>>4522863And there is something wrong with treating photography as a hobby? I mean, I'm Darktable user precisely because I do photo for fun from time to time, to photograph my scale models or go to anime cons, which is the only thing close to "real" photography work (combining portraits, concerts, events, performances on stage, etc).Any kind of subscriptions are bad for anyone else than people doing photography as a job because of adding up costs.
Looking at the old farts on DPreview, I think using computer too much leads to mental blocks and inability to adapt to any new tools.> You don't EDIT RAWS, you IMPORT them in your LIBRARY and then you DEVELOP themIronically, Darktable is the only other tool that can match this level of autism.
Why do ESLs dislike Darktable?
>>4522997ESLs have better education than US filth. And health care.
>>4522997Probably assume that single slider is better than multiple options because it's easier to use. I frequently heard instructions for PS in style of "move this slider to value X, that slider to value Y", without any explanation what these settings does.
>>4522800back when i was a broke student i just used the nikon camera software and it was good enough. i don't understand who pays for lightroom if they aren't an event/wedding shooter.
>RawTheraped doesn't even have free-form masks like Lighroom or Darktablelmfaoooo
>>4523026>i dont understand anyone who pays for a/c and a radio if they aren’t a valet. when i was a student i drove a got damn ford truck with plank flooring and dining chair bolted in and it worked damn fine. you kids dont know good you have it. now ya’ll want more than 100 horsepower. look up how much a 50s mustang had, ya idjit. you aint no racecar driver.fascinating reasoning but I’m just not using the shitty software. I’m buying capture one perpetual and using it with my full frame camera. SORRY!>inb4 a bloo bloo wasted money couldve been spent on me
>>4522800None of them have any useable functionality to fucking stitch photos to make a panorama, I'm not asking for the moon, just a basic functionality.I'll just keep pirating Capture One instead. Adobe can go die in a fire with the entshitifcation and abysmal performance of Lightroom degrading over the years
>>4523059I found that c1 has better colors and contrast control over b&w than LR and I like the workflow a lot better.
i used lightroom a lot and downloaded darktable to test it out but no major edits yet, just playing with the sliders. but if i were to actually pay for one (i pirate everything) which should i go for? capture 1? lr+ps combo?
>>4523039literal skill issue
>>4523039Based. Spendthrifts seething. >noooooo its $300! -sent from my $1000 camera
>>4523835Capture one for just photographyAdobe is generally inferior and steals your images to train their AI, but if you do any graphic design (all professional photographers must) it’s basically mandatory to have photoshop around. economically you’d use lightroom then, but do you want to feed your photos to AI? Eventually pictures of people you know will be used to generate porn.
>>4523835C1, but Photoshop can also be a worthwhile addition depending on what you do, and the sub includes Portfolio which I use for my secondary site.
>>4523835C1 is TOP MINTLR is MINTPS is ALMOST MINTHowever,PS is required for heavier edits / more "creative" shit. You theoretically could just use GIMP for that but unfortunately PS is just better. If your edits are more standard and serviced by the photo software alone sufficiently, then you're much better off with C1 perpetual. With that in mind I'd avoid LR and just go C1+PS if needed.
>>4522997darktable is filled with options difficult to get nice colors
>>4523965Why is c1>lrc?
>>4524198C1 isn't full of Adobe-tier jewism.
>>4524239Like what?I ll pirate both so price is not a problem
>>4524246You are still feeding and enabling corporate greed
>>4524239Nowadays, perpetual vs subscription license is an illusion of choice anyway. C1 sets the price to be the same as the cost of subscription for the period they expect you to keep your current camera body.
>>4524198C1 better>color tools>QoL / workflow>tethering>layersLR better>masking>generative removal>cloud support>adobe integration>online resources for beginnersBoth are completely fine for hobbyists and pro alike.
C1 is fast but masking is kind of assDxO has decent masking but really slow previewsON1 is a big sluggish piece of shitI'll be honest I never fucking tried LR
>>4524609I just tried LrC and now I know why Adobe is so jewish, it's because they can
Compensating for a lack of skill with paid presets and applications are we?
>>4522823Because it used to be pay once and you're done. Now, pay all the time just to use it.
I'm patiently waiting for Davinci Resolve's photo editing features to become "good enough"
>>4522800Because they suck, sadly.Also, I have become helplessly addicted to AI masking tools. When you have 3000 wedding photos to edit, it is an absolute requirement.HOWEVER, you can just pirate Lightroom, which is what any sane person should do. AI masking and denoising works, even in the pirated version. Generative AI stuff (like removing blemishes) does not work.
>>4525475Generative AI is literal Satan himself and should not be used. AI denoising and masking, however, is very useful tool like you said.Also, newest Darktable added AI tools, including denoising, but I have yet to test it.
>>4525475apparently you can make adobe buiness trial that is valid 2 weeks and login with you cracked version and use generative ai. you need to make a new trial account/email address every 2 weeks but i read in the monkrus comment section is works. did not test it myslef
>>4525475AI masking and denoise works with open source and local models, I use RapidRAW and it does a surprisingly good job. RAW denoise has a bug now that sets exposure of the export 2.5-2.7 stops lower but you can easily set it back up, the fix is supposedly coming in the next version.RapidRAW also has the capability to use your local generative model for content aware fill and heal/repair but you have to set those up separately. Denoise and masking works out of the box.Darktable also uses local models for denoise and masking but it is crude and the software itself is a UI/UX nightmare and the devs have no intention to make it usable.
>>4525642>RapidRAWHoly fucking shit, this is actually amazing!FINALLY a real competitor to LR
>>4523059This is my problem. I take lots of panoramas / composite shots and it seems like freeware is completely behind or missing. It is dead simple with Photoshop and the results are good, and the performance is always great. My problem now is that adobe will eventually quietly remove support for Windows 10 and my computer is too old for Windows 11. I really hate Windows 11 but macOS is not much better and the hardware for either is unnecessarily expensive right now. I would have switched to Linux full time if it weren't for the clear superiority of PS and LR. Please someone prove me wrong and tell me there is a free workflow that is competitive. Or that PS and LR can be used reliably on Linux with Wine or something.
>>4526232>too autistic to just use windows 11Sad
>>4526240Did you even read my post or are you too ESL to understand it?
>>4526243>My problem now is that adobe will eventually quietly remove support for Windows 10 and my computer is too old for Windows 11. I really hate Windows 11Yes, sounds like you have the autism
>>4526245Kill yourself at the earliest opportunity.
>>4526246>autistic lash out responseConfirmed
>>4526232Just fall behind in the versions and pirate them lol.Let me guess, you "need" more?
>>4526240NTA, but I'm still rocking Windows 7 along with RawTherapee and Photoshop CS5. Come at me.
>>4526293Also sad
>>4526469It is the only device of mine that isn't "up to date" and it's purpose is already well carved out. It's also the only "truly" wireless device in my house - which is an aspect that will become rarer as time goes on.It ain't exactly fashion accessory. No one but yourself cares what Windows logo is slapped on your little purse.
>>4522800If you have to edit your photos you need to get a better camera
>>4526644>you need to buy a better camera to have better noise reduction and sharpness you cant just do that on your PC>did you just set the colors yourself? no you have to buy the new camera to do that>you cant just set white balance in post you have to buy the new model with an improved auto white balance algorithmisn't this actually paying thousands of dollars for a committee of soulless non-artistic japanese salarymen to edit your photos
>>4526647>Has to buy every new model because each one "fixes" the shit colors of the last oneLet me guess, you shoot Sony? topkek
>>4526658Most people bought each successive nikon and canon DSLR because it "fixed" the jpegs from the last one. The early 5Ds can't reliably auto white balance at all. They're unusable in jpeg without gray card WB.
Ive recently come out of the “film photos shouldn’t be edited” morose. Using Affinity right now for curve and contrast adjustments. Dont feel like anything I’m doing warrants me subbing to Acope again
same reason I stopped using GIMPadobe literally has a package for photofags and it's only $15/month, you pay more for your cell phone and get less use
>>4526232>the results are good with photoshopIt's one of the worst, lots of stitching issues without easy way to fix them, too few projections available, memory hog. PS is only good for post processing, not stitching.Autopano Giga has been free for 3 years and is way superior
>>4526647All jokes aside, I sadly have to admit that Z5 II JPEGs are better than whatever I can produce out of Darktable, without having to, for example, remove green tint from most low light photos or figure out, why colors are desaturated (answer is usually "you are doing it wrong, it's supposed to be like that, makes it more like film").
>>4526793I've had that problem with all my Nikon RAWs forever. D600, D800, Z6. The joegs have beautiful colors, but the RAWs are washed out and it's virtually impossible to get the colours back.
>>4522800Yar har, fiddle de dee
>>4526802Do you have a potato which can run NX Studio from Nikon? It should produce at least as good colors as in camera jpg.
>>4527057Not him but NX Studio since last year or something require making Nikon account and all related shit. Still "free" but still a dick move.
>>4526947That or just use RapidRAW and learn to cope with Darktable
>>4527057I have tried NX Studio.It does indeed have better RAW colors right out of the box, BUT the fucking software itself sucks.
>>4526793It's refreshing to see when people admit they are incompetent at editing, thank you for being honest
>>4527088I won't lie that I'm master of Darktable or other stuff, I feel like I need to re-learn it every major version, plus I'm entirely self-learning and DT is like Linux - you can do tons of stuff, which means having incredibly larger degree of control but just as well much more room to fuck up. When Nikon shows me build-in JPEG, it shows me RAW after initial internal corrections, including local contrast, own tone mapping, selective saturation, etc. DT expects me to do that on my own and know how. I don't know this yet, maybe one day I will, unless they will change something again, which is very likely. Or I won't figure that out, which is also possible.So far the next change is scene-referred local contrast module, instead of display-referred included now.
>>4527090It's almost like it takes practice and time to learn a new skill
>>4527105>compile your color science from source read the docs patch the code relearn everything we changed it againWasting time compensating for fosstard developer incompetence isn’t a skill really. -Sent from Capture One on Mac OS
>>4527105No need to be sarcastic, anon, it's just a different priorities. DT is powerful tool that demands a lot from their users, it's perfectly okay to say you don't really want to dwell too deep. Sometimes you really "only" want to increase local contrast, saturate certain shades or only pump overall contrast and saturation a bit. Meanwhile DT says "no, you have to learn colour theory, study manual to learn what exactly each module do, choose color mapper and this and that and this and that...". Linux reference was fitting since it's similar situation to having user that want his OS to "just work" and installing Windows or some friendly distro like Mint and having someone deciding that "only true way" is to compile everything from source yourself (Gentoo).Kinda reminds me how frustrating it was to deal with certain library (heavily utilised by CERN) during obligatory coding courses at uni, with complicated functions that had no default values and expected users to know and understand significance of each and every single argument. Equivalent of walking into store and asking for leather shoes size 44 and clerk replying that he won't serve you until you define average moisture of the ground you intend to walk on.
>>4527111DT actually says “i dont know how to program that abstract feature without breaking something i mean it offends my uhhh philosophy. here, adjust fundamental parameters instead”
>>4527112This is actually true. Darktable's code is a mess. One guy gutted it and it got 5 times faster.https://github.com/aurelienpierreeng/anselAnd it's still a bit shit because it's built like a video color correction tool. Scene referred just doesn't jive with photography, which is always either srgb or argb in niche cases so it's just an added layer of complexity (for the human brain, not for the underlying math) for no benefit.
>>4527115>check GitHub page>longass paragraphs and tables explaining why his code runs faster>barely anything about why it's better as PHOTO EDITING SOFTWAREIs this autism?
>>4527132As photo editing software it's exactly as dogshit as darktable. He built it on theory without really being worth a fuck as a photographer himself. It is, however, a demonstration of why darktable will always suck and struggle to implement abstracted features people actually want instead of just lower level features non-photographers think are more elegant.
>>4527137Well, I'm kinda stuck with Darktable, since I won't pay subs for Adobe and don't accept their EULA, while stuff like Capture One is simply too expensive as one-time purchase, but I won't pretend that DT don't have some serious problem with development philosophy. When reading their documentation, blog posts or discussions, it's clear that they have some weird fixation at either replicating film behaviour (filmic RGB, by default, add some noise to highlights because "that's how film behave", mentioned filmic is present in most of their camera presents) or having very mathematical approach towards photos. I'm sciencist myself, physicists at that, but I understand that photo, especially digital one, is NOT supposed to be "1:1 representation" of how things were recorded but rather how photographer and audience FEEL it should. DT might, for example, implement hue shifts and add white to channels by default and try to fix stage LED lights effects but sometimes this is exactly what you want to achieve, the unrealistic colours coupled with lights and dance frozen at the moment. One might argue that, mathematically speaking, another photo might be better representation but someone ones might point it out at grayed out, washed or "dirty".
>>4527153Just pirate adobe
>>4527132Well, this >>4527111 certainly is, lol
>>4527153Just get Rapidraw which has been wonderful for me so far and it is actually getting better every week. They just need a better logo.Also get affinity. I haven't had the need to use any adobe product in years now, including for professional work.
>>4522914>capture one perpetual licenseEnjoy your perpetual license until shareholders decide they're not making enough money and tell everyone below to make Capture Two. Your license will obviously not carry over to the new software.
>>4522823People actually pay for presets?
>>4531564Works more or less the same with all paid software. Every CEO wants a Porsche after all.
Anyone here uses Darktable to edit their Fuji RAWs? I'm usually fine with JPGs my camera produces but those contrasty presets can sometimes leave a ton of available dynamic range on the table when shooting in harsh light. I find it very easy to blow JPG highlights with my camera only to find a ton of highlight detail still there in the RAW and I'd like to take advantage of that.So my question is: Are there any great Darktable presets for Fuji RAWs? Something that I can apply with one click to reproduce the SOOC JPG look and treat that as a base for my further edits?Have a corpse barrel snap.
>>4531765Use the DR modes if you need more highlight protection for JPG or RAW
>>4527153>my autism makes life harder for meGlad I'm normal
>>4531773Not wanting to pay subs is now autism?
>>4531765No. There are some third party styles floating around. I played around with them and I don't think they are that good. What is coming (currently nightly) is an entire film simulation module, but it simulates film (negatives, positives, photo paper, etc etc), so it's not one click. But it would be easily possible for someone to bake a style from those if they spent the time to get the look once.
>>4522881ive never been much of a sailor but ive been curious to try. I just dont know where to start desu
>>4531778yesthere are only two ways of lifeblindly accept anything the corporations do, because its surely good for someone, and its not your place to criticize them, use windows 11 home, pay adobe on schedule like a good boy, and praise every new camera releasebe a colossal moron who wants every computer to have every port ever used and for every electronic device to give you full access to everything down to the firmware, use linux, and genuinely rage when software costs money or a camera doesn't have an RJ45 port and full access to all features the hardware should be theoretically capable of
>>4531778Honestly, yes.Subscription vs non-sub is a very autistic thing to get upset about, especially when sub pricing models have been around forever and are a regular part of life for lots of other industries / hobbies / entertainment/ etc. I'll take Spotify over buying CD's again every time.A normal person would look at it in terms of cost, (both for long and short run), and that's the main concern. A normal person who enjoys photo as a hobby would have a job and be able to afford the relatively low cost of the sub.
>>4532042>Being a corporate slave and never owning shit have been around forever and are a regular part of life for lots of other industries so it's perfectly fine. No need to disturb the status quo because convenience is more valuable than freedom and principles.You're a slave and you don't even realize it.
>>4532043>I have a childlike view of the world and don't ever have to pay for my own thingsNice
>>4532042I have a job, well paid one for standards of my country and still consider subs as complete waste of money. If I would buy license for Capture One (expensive shit btw), in next year or two I would still have that software and use with my camera because, let's face it, hobbyist don't buy new body every year or more often. If I would pay subs instead, I would essentially burn out money within those two years, occasionally using said software and ends up with nothing. Subs are ALWAYS worse solution, only acceptable for people who cannot or don't want to plan ahead and fails to calculate accumulated cost over time. I guarantee that even companies that pays subscriptions for specialized software like AutoCAD/Solidworks, as part of their bussines costs, would prefer single time payments. Only one group benefits from subscriptions and that's the companies selling them in first place, because they generate more income over time than one time purchases, in every single case. And they did very fine job at convincing people like you that it's "more convinent" and "it's not al part of life" and "it's just X, what are you, poor?".Poster from >>4532043 is completely right, you became a slave and fails to realise this fact.
>>4532043>>4532053I see you have chosen #2 >>4531954I'm just keeping the same capture one license (16.5.11) forever because no worthwhile cameras or lenses have been released since thenSimple as>inb4 no but snoy let itself get some minor sensor upgrade first and released a new sterile g master you need a subscription! what about the new fuji that added a gimmick for more money than a ff nikon!? the 4th release of the e-m5iii!?fags.
>>4532057I'm a sailor but can't imagine subjecting myself to using Capture One>t. maining lightroom on the last usable version of windows
>>4532057Did you even read the post you link to? I explicitly gave Capture One as example of one time purchase that require no further investment as long as you don't buy new stuff that is not supported, something you don't do often anyway, because stuff like body can easily serve for 4-6 years.
>>4532042>very autistic thing to get upset aboutI'm not upset. I can't save other people from themselves so I'm not gonna try. If you chose to trade freedom, values and principles for convenience then that's on you.>normal person who enjoys photo as a hobby would have a job and be able to afford the relatively low cost of the subIt's not about money. You really don't get it do you.
>>4532060I saw a bunch of irrational complaining about subscriptions and bitchy dramatic language>u are a slave>its a dajoooooos>sheeple! reeeeeeeSubscriptions are just there for people who upgrade their gear frequently and want to get an edge over other low tier, crutch dependent pros like wedding "photographers"
>>4532067That's what they want you believing when the real reason is being able to botnet you. There's no valid reason for software that runs on your machine to be phoning home. NONE.
^Search this man's computer>>4532065>FREEDOM! VALUES! PRINCIPLES!It's a fucking program. You are paying professional programmers money to provide you with quality code. You can pay for one version of capture one forever or you can pay for constant updates for lightroom or capture one each month. In either case you are paying for human labor.Both involve paying so the software company can pay their college educated staff wages that can pay off their student loans and guarantee them a better quality of life than a walmart employeeDon't like it? Go use darktable. Oh now your colors suck, noise reduction isn't as good, you're having issues figuring out your ideal demosaicing pipeline and you have to fix a bunch of stuff yourself, file bug reports, and engage in technical debugging yourself or get ignored by the devs, assuming your bug even qualifies as a bug in THEIR "values and principles"? You got what you paid for. If you don't want to pay someone for their labor you have to do labor yourself.
>>4532067>no mention of Jews in linked post>"its a dajoooooos"Is there something you want to tell us?
>>4532069Why do you conveniently ignore that the other poster argumentation was about "subs vs one time purchase" and not "paid vs free software"?
>>4532069Piracy isn't persecuted in my country
>>4532072It's the same actual issue as free software retards. Some weird sort of entitlement/ownership complex. Why does it matter if a software company charges you a fee to receive constant updates, and won't let you use the program if you don't pay them? That's like saying you should be able to stop paying the mexican who mows you lawn every week and keep his lawnmower.
>>4532069>You can pay for one version of capture one forever or you can pay for constant updates for lightroom or capture one each month. In either case you are paying for human labor.>Both involve paying so the software company can pay their college educated staff wages that can pay off their student loans and guarantee them a better quality of life than a walmart employeeYou're paying for Blackrock to get richer, increasingly software companies consist of jeets vibecoding.
>>4532074I use winrar and paid for it. Even though I could have just ignored the nag and kept using it. Same with Reaper. I don't support scumbag corporations.
>>4532074Yeah, it's obviously an ownership/power thing and low level consumers convinced they're epic principled rebels.A life bereft of struggle lends itself to inventing battles.
>>4532074I prefer to pay for owning lawnmower and do the work myself, not being forced to pay monthly, no matter if I need the service or not. Are you really too blind to see the reasoning behind "pay one and use forever" against "keep paying or you lose access"?
>>4532078A life of vibecoding frees time up for PR washing predatory businesses. How do you feel about the fact the clanker will effectively replace you in the next 5 years? You think it's your crutch but actually you're its crutch, jamboy.
>>4532080Do you understand you are essentially mad that one lawn service company only offers a mexican stopping by but won't sell you a lawnmower, even though another lawn service company also lets you buy the latest lawnmower from their fleet with 1 year of free upgrades, and you can buy a push mower at home depot?>Lightroom is subscription only? YOU ARE SLAVES. VALUES. PRINCIPLES!>No I won't just buy capture one>No I won't just buy affinity, DXO, or on1.>I NEED TO REMIND PEOPLE WHO SUBSCRIBE TO ADOBES SERVICES THAT THEY ARE.... LE SLAVES! PRINCIPLESSSSS!The weird entitlement/ownership/"power" complex shows.
>>4526785I m using pt gui 11.9 crackedLast version that people don't complain about malware450€ for the pro versionFuck off niggers>>4531782https://w18.monkrus.ws/2026/08/adobe-lightroom-classic-v1551.html?m=1
>>4532059Why. Ghat gbt says is lighter on resourced and better in colour grading. Also has some nice features that lrc does not have.
>>4522815it just works
>>4532120intellectual dishonsestyhe hates capture one because it gets rid of most his reasons to hate specific camera brands that are better supported by capture one than adobesince his hatred of those brands exceeds his interest in doing photography (protip: he DOES NOT do photography!) he doesn't care if capture one is better. he must argue that only lightroom counts because then he can be right in his gear arguments.
>>4532120Lightroom's catalog mogs Cope One sessions.
>>4532165>I removed the artifacts with AI so they don't existThe only reason you hate Lightroom is because you use shit cameras that require you to cope in post. Fuji worms appear in SOOC JPEGs. You're basically saying "why are you against using deworming drugs" and I'm saying "because I don't have worms like you so why would I use them? Just so I can enjoy the side effects?". You're basically shilling antiretroviral medication to people who aren't your fellow AIDS sufferers.
It all just comes down to LR or C1 not being worth the price for the majority of amateurs. These money are better spent towards lenses or printing, while small global edits can be done for free. At which point it does not matter so much whether you are paying the price once or in installments.
>So if the argument is specifically:>“I don't want a camera whose normal JPEG output produces visible artifacts and then requires me to adopt a particular RAW-processing workflow to avoid them.”>That's a perfectly coherent camera-selection argument.>And it explains why the Canon poster considers “I don't need C1” a positive characteristic of his preferred cameras. He's not necessarily claiming that C1 itself is bad. He's saying:>“If I can get clean results directly from the camera and through my ordinary Lightroom workflow, I don't want to buy into a camera system where achieving comparable results depends on a particular third-party RAW pipeline.”>That's a substantially stronger argument than simply “Lightroom good, C1 bad.”cANON won
>>4532174>With AISuperior demosaicing algorithms aren't "AI" you fucking idiot.Markestejn 3 pass does the same thingMulti-pass, context aware demosaicing is not machine learning>Fuji worms appear in SOOC JPEGs.They don't. Your sole source for this is an out of contex screenshot from a blog. Fuji worms appeared in sharpened jpegs from an x-t3 which has an inferior jpeg engine compared to modern cameras.>>4532181He doesn't get any results from any camera in any programHe has never taken or posted photosEverHe's a brand shill
>>4532181>>“If I can get clean results directly from the camera and through my ordinary Lightroom workflow, I don't want to buy into a camera system where achieving comparable results depends on a particular third-party RAW pipeline.”this isnt what he sayshe says capture one uses secret AI and sony and fuji are defective by design in such a way only super secret AI can fix them, therefore lightroom's poor .arw/.raf support with false color/worm issues are inherent to the sensor being defective because of [some technobabble he makes up each time]...but capture one has had less aliasing in .arws and no worms in .rafs since before AI even existed and there are third party demosaicing algorithms that perform nearly as well, so its safe to say adobe just doesnt support the brands that support adobes competitorshe doesnt say anything about the results he gets from his camera or lightroom because he does not own a camera or use lightroom. he doesn't take or post photos. he has never shown any indication he actually does photography and makes so many bullshit claims like "exposing to the right desaturates colors" that it becomes clearer and clearer that he has never actually done photography... he reads random blog posts about other people doing photography and is working off severely out of date and out of context information.
>>4532182>Superior demosaicing algorithms aren't "AI" you fucking idiot.>Multi-pass, context aware demosaicing is not machine learningChatGPT says they can be>Markestejn 3 pass does the same thingChatGPT says it doesn't do the same thing but that it's better for worms than conventional methods and not AI>Fuji worms appeared in sharpened jpegs from an x-t3So they appear>which has an inferior jpeg engine compared to modern cameras.>He's a brand shillChatGPT says this is unsubstantiated>he says capture one uses secret AI and sony and fuji are defective by design in such a way only super secret AI can fix them, therefore lightroom's poor .arw/.raf support with false color/worm issues are inherent to the sensor being defective because of [some technobabble he makes up each time]ChatGPT says needing Capture One isn't evidence of the sensor being defective>since before AI even existedChatGPT denies this>and there are third party demosaicing algorithms that perform nearly as wellChatGPT says this is subjective and unsubstantiated>so its safe to say adobe just doesnt support the brands that support adobes competitorsChatGPT says this is an unsubstantiated conspiracy leap and that Adobe would benefit from them looking good on AdobeThe real question is why does he hate AI even though AI sides with him?
>>4532187https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/17/using-ai-makes-you-stupid-researchers-find/
>>4532191bodied that jeet
>>4532187>AI sides with himIt obviously read that I bashed AI so it's trying to win me over, classic tactics. Meanwhile it learns my ways from the posts YOU handed it to it. But maybe AI won't hunt us down, it will be enough to make us stupid enough to just do whatever it says. And it's not like one can stay away from it because even if I don't use it I have retards like you acting as an interface to it. AI is the antichrist and you sheeple will worship it when so-called AGI is announced.>>4532191This. >>4532182>Superior demosaicing algorithms aren't "AI" you fucking idiot.C1 advertises its use of AI, cope.>context aware demosaicing is not machine learning>look up "context aware demosaicing">it's literally joint dictionary learning>Fuji worms don't appear in SOOC JPEGs>Fuji worms appeared in sharpened jpegs from an x-t3 Pick one>He's a brand shillWhat brand do I shill? You're desperate to shill the cameras that need C1 to hide their glaring flaws.>perform nearly as well>nearlySo you NEED C1 with those cameras>he doesn't takeNo, I make them.>or postYou don't ask people to post photos in good faith, this is well established.>makes so many bullshit claims like "exposing to the right desaturates colors" It happened and I didn't feel like wrestling RAWs in post for some marginal theoretical gain when the non-ETTR version was absolutely satisfying. I'm with Ken Rockwell on this. ETTR has its uses but using it for general photography is abysmal and a waste of time.
>>4532194C1 has had 0 worm issues and rendered .arws better than ACR since before AI. Markestejn 3 pass demosaicing has rendered .RAFs without worms since before AI. >A camera isn't well supported by lightroom = it has flawsSorry, but no. Cameras aren't built around lightroom. Lightroom is 10 indians vibe coding. Capture one is actual software.Is it that hard to admit adobe doesn't make the best software? Notorious jeetware company responsible for the least secure, least stable thing ever (flash) can't actually support every camera brand and model? Wow shocker
>>4532198You don't understand, cANON needs to pretend lightroom is the only and standard option so he can pretend sony and fuji are bad.he has to make up AI conspiracies wherever he runs into a brand or system he dislikesmirrorless? all EVFs have secret AI! fuji raws look better with a different algorithm and have since capture one 10? SEKRIT AI. that said...i've literally never heard of someone complaining about moire issues with sony+LR, its just a dpreview studio scene screenshot thing, and LR+enhance feature fixes fujiworms also.
>>4532198The FACT that SOOC JPEGs can have worms is proof that it's not just Adobe but the camera itself. >>4532199Never had worms in SOOC JPEG from Samsung, Olympus, Sony, Nikon or Canon.X-Trans causes worms. It's established fact. That you can some up with ways to make them less noticeable isn't a rebuttal, you're just showing a workaround for an existing issue.You could be honest and say "well it has worms but it's sensitive to different kinds of moire that annoy me less and I find the worms to be an acceptable tradeoff" but no, you have to deny reality. Because you're a fanboy.At least picrel was honest.
>>4532201>+1 to the almighty filter
>>4532201Xtrans is a complex CFA that requires demosaicing algorithms that make multiple passesIt takes 3x longer to demosaic xtrans properly vs bayer, with some smoothing often requiredNone of this is AI either, it's shit you can do in darktable (same for fixing the ACR sony test chart issues)In return you get a little less color resolution, better luminance resolution, less ugly color blob noise, and resistance to most common moire patterns.
>>4532204That's just "X-trans is inferior" with extra words
>>4532209yet 40mp xtrans is borderline immune to aliasing and when output to 24mp "beats equivalence" with a FF like SNR (and less colorful ISO noise) and smoother rendering than jaggy native 24mp, with or without an OLPF, and fuji keeps sellinghttps://www.fujirumors.com/camera-market-2024-fujifilm-leads-mirrorless-growth-but-budget-dslrs-still-outsell-fujifilm-or-why-we-need-the-x-t30-iii/https://www.techradar.com/cameras/digital-camera-sales-are-up-and-fujifilm-just-leapfrogged-nikon-heres-what-the-numbers-tell-ushttps://petapixel.com/2024/10/18/fujifilm-says-it-owns-40-of-the-non-full-frame-camera-market/so clearly they're doing something rightmaybe having to use the industry standard raw processor instead of lightroom is actually a plus
>>4532214It gets beaten in detail by a 25MP MFT Panasonic
>>4532215I'm sure you have some dpreview (ACR) screenshots to "prove" it, dear. it's not like someone with a raw processor installed already showed you 40mp xtrans was sharper even at 100% when processed properly. you should see a neurologist about your memory issues.
>>4532216>ackchually if you process the Fuji RAWs with AI sharpening they look sharper than the Panasonic ones without
>>4532218>its AI! its secret AI! ITS SECRET AI! THERE IS NO WAY FUJI COULD BE GOOD ITS A CONSPIRACY BECAUSE I HATE FUJI IT REMINDS ME OF THE GIRLS WHO CALL ME WEIRDthat worked before capture one added any AI at all? secret AI?You could literally do the same thing in darktable 5 years ago. before they added AI. just a better demosaicing algorithm for xtrans. ergo, it's not AI. adobe just refuses to better support fuji because fuji continues being hostile to adobe and partnering with their direct competitor. even though they're not giving away free express licenses anymore, they're still giving away a 3 month trial.the standard capture one pro trial is seven days.Fujifilm and adobe do not have a good relationship. That's it. Why would you devote 1000 jeet hours to adding better xtrans support to lightrooms sphagetti code when fujifilm tries to drive customers away from you and towards a program they can buy, permanently, no subscription required?
I see you typing that reply pOPPET. Don't bother. You've had this argument enough times to know you always lose.Pack it up, bUCKO. It has never been more over.
>>4532221>>4532224It's not how businesses work, dickwad. Think about it, if you were Adobe would you dedicate man hours to developing something for a brand that gets outsold by Olympus? You'd never recoup the investment. Who's gonna pay for it, some welfare queen from Bristol?Fuji worms show up in DaVinci Resolve too by the way, even if using X-transformer. It's just a shit system.
>muh technical aspects of a camera sensor I've never used>muh processing software A is better than your software BMeanwhile as a fuji shooter I've never seen any worms in my images and never had any problems processing raws in free software like rawtherapee or darktable. I enjoy shooting with my camera and I love the results it produces. I love how much time good camera jpgs save me and how much detail my supposedly inferior camera captures.Feels good not to be a miserable autist and a tripfag.
>>4531765Was about to make corpse barrel joke when I almost tldr, well done
>>4532221>they're not giving away free express licenses anymoreThey are. On this page, scroll down.
>>4532216Yes, he previously posted a blurry shot that DPR made for X-H2S (lol).
>>4532233>>4532214learn to read before you replyfuji harvests more microtones than olympus and is the second best brand after pentax. fuji won. its the best brand for the artistic documentary of the real.
>>4532274Tom tier post, based
>>4532233>edits photos on resolve>cinefagI feel relieved I'll never be this retarded
>>4532285>HOW DARE YOUFuck off pleb shill, Resolve is better than whatever pleb approved software you use
>>4522804skill issue
>>4527115every IT project and opensource especially has this kind of sperg that thinks that it's only his vision is valid one and he has the best ideas, the rest of people are morons and don't understand him. So he changes posiotions of few buttons, "optimizes" by removing shit he doesn't understand and proclaims it's better and faster now. Then goes on jewtube and publishes his two hours long rants.People like this should be kept in forced labour camps to be useful.
