Only A Canon Is Good Enough™Last: >>4523190
Almost 20 years of technological non-progress. Canon sensor from 2008Sony sensor from 2025Sony controls every brand but canon. If they buy sony sensors they are defacto banned from directly competing with sony’s top sellers. They never do. s9? Crippled. All fuji? Crippled with worms and bad autofocus. The closest anyone came was nikon’s Zf. Nikon is not so surprisringly breaking from sony and using RED sensors (towersemi) in the future. Blackrock owns a major stake in both sony and canon. Curiously, its like canon isnt allowed to directly compete with sony’s top selling cameras (a7cII and a7cR) either. The R6V had its shutter and evf axed so compact FF buyers would have to go sony or accept inferior functionality. Sony has directly caused the stagnation and ruin of the camera industry. Nikon, Leica, Sigma and Panasonic are all seeking alternative sensor suppliers to get away from sony’s corruption and extortion. Canon, unfortunately, is linked to sony blackrock and they are 100% telling canon not to hurt the value of their share of sony. If sony thrives, photography withers and dies. Break from consoomerism. Buy used DSLRs until nikon, panasonic, leica, and sigma have more non-sony sensors on the market. >the great green evil: Sony, Fujifilm, OM System, Hasselblad>accomplice to evil: Canon>the resistance: Leica, Phaseone, Nikon, Panasonic, Sigma
>>4524136Take your meds
>>4524132>>4524136Based. Total snoyim annihilation!>>4524138snoy shill malding!
I need a travel (city, mountains) all-purpose zoom for sony FE to pair it up with a fast prime. I'm currently a poorfag so I can't afford the 20-70 f4 which would be near perfect, nor the 24-70 f2.8s. I like the compactness of zeiss 24-70 f4 but I keep reading it's kinda meh optically. 24-105 is supposed to be good but it's bulkier than tamron 25-200, so why not just get more range. any opinions? my head hurts from deliberating over this
>>4524136Who makes Blackmagic's 12k RGBW sensor?I wonder if RGBW will come to photo cameras.
>>4524144I could see a potential benefit to the BlackMagic filter if each color quad alternated orientations (slightly smarter debayering), but as is I don’t see a benefit over just RGBWnot that we have many examples of either to compare
>>4524142If you bought a Nikon you could consider the 24-120 F4 S, nikon 24-70 F4 S (the snoy zeiss is shit and had QC issues), AND all FE mount lenses with the ETZ21 Pro II. Snoy: not even once
>>4524142I can't speak for the other lenses, but the 24-105 is reasonably well balanced weight wise on an a7cr and acceptably sharp.
>>4524132>Only A Canon Is Good Enough™If it was good enough we wouldn't have needed a custom firmware.
>>4524155Done a few engagement sessions down there when the tide is low
>>4524136oh he mad
You guys take this shit way to seriously
>>4524163Is joke
>>4524158>MFW magiclantern and I got chad tier abandonware tragiclantern that no one is interested in.
>>4524142
>>4524166>no shutter, hot shoe, or viewfinderThe sony sensor curse is real, or panasonic is legitimately retardedThe $1700 a7cII doesn’t even have a whole shutter and the viewfinder sucks. How can they not beat that? Why not make a better camera than sony?
>>4524166fool frame is such a mistake when it comes to compact gearlook at the hoops they have to jump through>no evf>plastic lenses with retard focal lengths>shit ergonomics>no hot shoe>no mechanical shutter + slow sensori mean lol wtf dudejust get superior m43 gear if you want compact
>>4524142You're a noob so you don't understand yet, but let me give you this fact now in the hopes that if you don't understand it now, you will learn it yourself in a year or two.>For the casual shooter, zooms are a meme.Great for certain kinds of working photog who doesn't want to constantly swap between primes, but a meme for a casual shooter. Primes typically offer lots of great advantages, like brighter, apertures, diminutive size and weight, better image quality, cheaper price... etc etc... Another kernel of gospel for you:>Camera body size basically doesn't matter at all for EDC, only lens size does. Even a flagship DSLR is easy to carry if you just have pancake/cupcake lens attachedYou can't really carry any ILC camera in your pocket, so you have to carry it either on a shoulder strap, neck strap, wrist strap or in a bag. Any of these cases, it will make no difference how big the body is, until you get into medium format SLRs.
>>4524177Bs. Zooms are great for casual shooters. Casual shooters don't give a fuck about marginally worse iq or some shit. Retards like me go around lugging primes and change lenses on the go to make the photo that little bit better just to miss the shot.
>>4524178No, the only use for zooms are situations when you don't have the time to zoom with your feet, which is NOT casual shooting. For the sake of your own body of work, you should also try and get used to using a single focal length, rather than every photo being at a slightly different one.
>>4524181>zoom with your feetBy that, streetshiters mean crossing the road.
>>4524184Why would you try to take a photo of something on the other side of the road? You should cross the road. What, are you shooting street @ 150mm?>if your photos aren't good enough, you aren't close enough
>>4524177Kek, the supposed blob camera enjoyer has realized that Canikon zooms are too big to carry.Anon, the categories of travel zooms and superzooms exist because casuals want to take nice shots on their city walks and hikes. Yes, that only works when the camera company puts effort in ergonomics.
>>4524186Sure, show me one (1) good photo you took with... ...a travel zoom...ahahahahahaha
>>4524187> good photo Lol, good luck with that on /p.Anyways, this one is at 50mm APS-C, and with that lens I shot all the way from 16 to 50.
>>4524132>canon>2026>no live view blinkies or zebras for still photo sad!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hScaWi0AF0g
>>4524167>>4524170>sanjay seethe
>>4524136Sony is evil and their schemes were intended to steal the joy of reflex from the people from the get go, starting with those wretched SLT designs that have a mirror but behave like mirrorless, with no true viewfinder.
>>4524181Enjoy being unable to meaningfully control perspective without a massive definition loss, cuck.
>>4524181I bring zooms for casual shooting because I've now done this for long enough that I'm familiar with each of my lenses characteristics, and I've decided that I only like bringing primes when there is a certain shot at a certain FL that I already planned for and I want to maximize it.I also live on the dunes, so that's one more reason why I don't like swapping lenses all the time.
>>4524144Imagine the artifacts and color loss, seems even worse than X-tranny. Foveon master race.
>>4524170Its weakly possible that panasonic was going for your angle, since micro four thirds is so shit the only way it can look good is if FF is made bad on purpose, but panasonic wouldnt be that retarded. its more likely sony doesnt let anyone who buys their sensors beat the a7c. (Nikon did. Now nikon is leaving sony for towersemi.) Because… sony is so shit they can only look good if their competitors are shit on purpose. >>4524144Fairchild semiconductor>>4524163A shitty price gouging tranny video game company ruined cameras. Yes. They already introduced DLC. To cameras! Total snoyim death
>>4524213Foveon layers colors over each other and weakens the light for each layer. How is that more accurate?
>>4524178Zooms are for jpeg shooting boomers like ken rockwell who walk around with a giant camera so they can zoom in on everything and never contend with how they’re not creative
>>4524213Rgbw is literally better than bayer, retard.
>>4524177EDC isnt real. Its reddit speak for>im a femboy and i need everything to be cute retro and smol so it matches my fursona. i use this once a month but when i do it has to be chic and impress the other femboys on reddit.
>>4524215You get full resolution for every color channel. It's basically instant trichorome. >>4524217Regular RGBW might be. BM is spreading subpixels of each color too far.
>>4524216This post says more about your lack of creativity than anyone else's.
TRUTH: Zoom lenses should be discontinuous. They should only include three focal lengths of excellent quality, instead of a range of mediocrity.QUESTION: Which three focal lengths would you include?For me it's 24, 35, 85.>Your last post number decides your Better Davis for tomorrow
>>4524225Leica makes such a product for pseudointellectual frauds like you, it's called the Tri-Elmar.
>>4524226>pseudointellectual fraudNow look who's talkingAt least answer the question
>>4524225not including 50 is just contrarian fart huffing nonsense
>>4524228Use your trip
>>4524223Says the winner of the best fursuit photographer award. Zoom to fill/focal length FOMO photography is bad. Weddingslop. Birdslop. Boomer ‘scapeslop. Fuck zooms. >>4524225Even more retarded. Its still an oversized cope lens for people who have focal length FOMO and have to take every shitty photo possible. Only now its worse at being retarded aka a zoom lens.
>>4524223thats like saying a real painter who has disdain for adobe photoshop or AI actually lacks creativity to use the new toolno. they just have taste. technology doesnt have to be dragged into the arts. who prefers EWI over saxophone? touhou fans? lmfao
>>4524214Or equally likely, Panasonic wanted the cheapest (to produce) FF body possible, which kinda translates to the list price, because S9 is cheaper than A7C, than Z5II, than most APS-C and than most m43 bodies, while being FF.
>>4524233>Sir, this meal tastes like shit>yes sir it is made with cow patty so is cheaper than horse burger that is the point my sirPanasonic confirmed for spiritually indian
>>4524230>thinks the only use of zoom is to fill>calls others uncreativelol, lmao evenRead a book>>4524227I hate the question but probably 24, 135, 400
>>4524228The point of 50s is having a cheap fast lens
>>4524225My Fuji 16-50 has marks at 16, 23, 35, and 50, so that's what my autism makes me use.
>>4524236>gets btfo>only reads part of the post because the whole post btfos her>dilemma resolvedYou’re girlbrained, sis>>4524237And retarded (tautology alert)
>>4524235It's a race to the bottom, yes. And it has nothing to do with India, because it originates in the "first world".
>>4524240Perspective compression alone is enough reason to not "zoom with your feet". I have bligposted extensively about it.
>>4524243>focal length FOMO>must take every shitty photo>what if i get a good one eventually>-has never gotten a good oneYou are psychologically female, spiritually garry winogrand, and physically a weird nerd carrying a telescope to the dog park.
>>4524242Or, more likely, they WANTED to beat sony (they show strong indications of this) but sony simply doesnt allow anyone to directly compete with the a7c series if they want to buy their sensors, and blackrock imposes the same limitation on canon with the consent of the yakuza (so neither too big to fail business interferes with the other and they share dominance). This sounds like a corrupt and immoral arrangement to white people who have a “make everythint a contest” culture, but its very normal for asian and middle eastern/jewish entrepeneurs to decide on and accept.
>>4524249panasonic definitely wishes they were allowed to beat sony. they pay shills to say they already have. but whenever they rely on their own sensors, sony’s cameras turn out much better anyways. they’re not exactly towerjazz. panasonic is generally bad at making cameras. their reputation is set in stone and it affects their camera divisions trajectory. they have their projected sales for each product (almost none) and they cant spend more than that making it. therefore everything ends up value engineered because they don’t want to take a risk, and every time they have, no one bought it. panasonic lumix is a failed business destined to suckle at sony’s teat and milk leica rebrands forever.
>>4524247Condensed projection on your part. Taking every shitty photo would involve "zooming with your feet", perspective be damned because you have no taste or an eye for a good photograph. It's what you do when you want a shot of a subject, a snapshit in /p/ layman terms. When you want THE shot that you previsualized in your head, then you take out the zoom, get to the point you want and zoom the amount you want to get that shot. Then again seeing opinionated fools like yourself on the board where I was once banned for making an f/64 thread is par for the course.
>>4524252Incredibly stupid postGood photographers pass up shitty photos and enjoy good moments without scurrying to use a cameraBad ones scurry around and lug bags of primes and hideous zooms because >IT DOES THIS *TECH THING* THAT OBJECTIVELY AFFECTS THE PHOTO AND…Like some tactiqueef carrying 3 spare mags and a glock 19 “because technically… terms… charts”Being a good photographer is like being good with a gun. You don’t need more than a .38 snub or a 7 shot .45. Depending on how much KFC your local felons can afford. Cry about it queer.
>>4524254Mamiya 6x9 confirmed for ideal self defense weapon
>>4524210You should have decided this when you choose what lens you're mounting. Have a workflow, know what perspective you want, learn to use your lens. This is why there has never been a photo posted by you that did not look like it was taken from wikipedia. You have no intent, you just press the button.
>>4524218>EDC isnt realTranslation: "I don't go anywhere, I don't take any photos"
>>4524257>feminine, performative, hystericalEDC is a LARP. Your hysterical defensiveness sells it harder than anything else you do. It is the camera version of femcels who have shelves of books they’ve never read, and then what they’re actually reading is Bear (on kindle)EDC is a moleskin notebook and a fountain pen in the trenchcoat of a future troon. >buy, carry, and display your identity>jewelry and fashion for homosMen do things on occasion and on assigment. Men don’t tote pointless things around daily. Men do photography purposefully and don’t do it every day. That’s how dog snapping poseurs are born. Men are happy with 12 significant photographs a year.
4chan is finally catching up with intellectuals who already rightfully placed EDC back down with the katana collectors it originated withhttps://www.leicalensesfornormalpeople.com/2023/03/02/75mm-lenses-are-the-edc-of-the-leica-camera-world/
>>4524259not reading allat lil bro xD
>>4524262>femcel/femcel(male) tries to talk like an african americanWhy ya’ll nigguhs done doin dis shit ass mofuckin raycis shit culchra appropshyashuns MAYNE?
>>4524257You are arguing with the person who said in a previous thread, quite literally, that his camera gear is too big to actually carry around.
>>4524265>whoever ticked me off today is whoever ticked me off yesterdayAnother feminine thing is grudges combined with swinging at shadows. Schizos are feminine.
>>4524266I doubt there is more than one person ranting in every thread about femboys and fursonas.
>>4524267>i blame every anonymous post that angers me on one personShow us on the doll where someone making fun of a gay femboy EDCing his cutesy fashion camera also said their own camera was too big to carryI only said MEN do not “edc”. They act with purpose. EDC is autism coded for feminine perverts with weak self esteem and your hysterical reaction (i-if you dont do EDC you dont do ANYTHING) proved the neurotic performative aspect of it. My own camera is easy to carry. When I carry it. I just don’t take it to the dog park and grocery store every day because I am a man, not a woman who needs to pose and journal in public. EDC… nothing more than the evolution of the homosexual pretending to be an author every time he goes to starbucks with his mac (trying to pick up dudes)
>>4524264Fatherlessness leads them to seek a masculine figure elsewhere, and modern society fills that gap with criminals and ethnic worship.
>>4524268This is true and its why "Edc" oriented products like those from ricoh fujifilm and snoy tend to be priced very high and perform poorly. They are targeted at irrational consumers who are more interested in signaling than photographing. They dont have to invest in making the camera good because it will only be used to prove it is being used, and anything good that comes of it is just a coincidence. The EDC person never tries to take a good photo. Its more about other people thinking they’re a photographer.
>>4524213>Imagine the artifacts and color lossdoesn't look too bad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-o-YYZE3D0&t=666Coincidentally it's the same city scene where the a6700 and its Bayer does pic related.https://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/sony_a6700/sample_images/sony_a6700_45.jpg
>>4524132>ahh I knew it, the secret to fixing my shitty boring photos is to buy a different brand of camera and lenses so that the colors are slightly betterhe mad af fr
>>4524271For reference, Ricoh is now selling as many GRs as all OM bodies combined.
>>4524247>and physically a weird nerd carrying a telescope to the dog park.I zoom in on dogsI zoom in on squirrelsI zoom in on birdsWomen see my long lens and they are intrigued.I show them my cute pictures, they show me theirs and we have fun.Meanwhile nobody cares about your carefully curated prime lens building corner snaps, which you can't even show people before spending hours processing in a RAW editor.
Should I be putting UV filters on my brand new lenses to protect them?Right now, I just leave the lens cap on when not shooting, and always have the lens hood on when shooting.
Lens switching is for complete amateurs. Always have exactly as many cameras as you have lenses. I don't care if you're to poor to step up your game. Sell your superfluous lenses in order to equalize your body:lens ratio to exactly 1.
>>4524288Depends what you're looking to protect them from. Going to have shit like sand or sparks flying at you? Put on a filter. They won't do shit from drops, if anything they'll crack and could be a pain in the ass to remove and maybe even scratch the front element. A hood will protect it from bumping into most stuff, it would need to be something particularly jaggy to reach in and hit the front element.
>>4524273Posted it again awardDebunked 30 times but keeps lying awardPaid shill award
>>4524257This. The other anon sounds like an incredibly insecure incel. Imagine thinking having a bulky unc camera on you makes you appear more manly.
>>4524303>insecure incelThat would be the one projecting about appearances. Just because they aren't wearing them like fashion accessories, doesn't mean they've taken the hardline opposite stance on something only you care about.Just wear your faggot small camera, shut the fuck up, and go take pictures because you enjoy it.
>>4524299remind me again how you "debunked" the horrible moire in SOOC photo and video?
>must need inconvenient big camera and big lens to be macho man!bro is in the wrong hobby
>>4524252>get to the point you wantThat's zooming with your feet lolI see far too many people become lazy with zooms and rely on zooming, instead of trying to get a better perspective.
>>4524132>Sony is number on-ACK!!!
>>4524317>fuji overtakes nikonhoooly fuck ahaha
>>4524317it's unreal how the affects of the F4's disaterous release are still being felt today...
>>4524254>>4524313Sometimes the better perspective requires more reach than some stupid 50mm if you want a picture with meaningful resolution. To get the same framing as a 400mm with a 50mm you crop to 1/64 of the area. It's like using a hammer in place of a screwdriver.
>>4524318I'm not surprised. Fuji makes a better system:
>>4524321Yes, you know all about taking good pictures
>>4524136FPBP
>>4524254>Being a good photographer is like being good with a gun. You don’t need more than a .38 snub or a 7 shot .45./k/ommando here, just wanted you to know you're completely wrong. This line of thinking has been obsolete for like 30 years now. There is zero reason to not carry a modern gun with greater magazine capacity if you value your life at all. Being able to dispense more lead directly correlates with your chances of survival in any given confrontation.Hope this helps.
>>4524312>>4524303>noooo you need a fashion camera like all the girls and cool gays! HOW CAN YOU DO PHOTOSHOOT IF YOU DON’T EVEN HECCIN PHOTOWALK IN THE CITY?
>>4524318Any chart where canon is #1 includes point and shoot sales globally. Canon isnt actually #1. FF ILCs only they lose. Fuji sells more X halfs to single chinese women than nikon sells cameras. Remove toys from the equation and it goes #1 Nikon #2 Canon #3 Sony #4 Fuji.
>>4524340No civilian self defense shooting has ever needed more than 3 shots to be resolvedNo good photo has ever been taken on a chic meme camTracks.
>>4524344>Gearfag that doesn't actually know anything makes shit up to compensate, doesn't listen when corrected.Tracks.
>>4524346>nooo you need to magdump the niggerinos!>your camera needs to be small for heccin street photographyIdk maybe stop walking through gang controlled suburbs
>>4524317>digital cameraSales of small sensor fixed lens childrens cameras have never counted
>>4524351now post the APS-C chart
>>4524343What are you trying to prove? That fullkeks are are a tiny minority of maladjusted autists and wannabe pros? Yeah, they are.
>>4524366That full frame is for actual photography and everything else is e-waste bought by trend followers who shelve it a month later because their phone is the same. >people who notice details and have standards are… le maladjusted and out of line. how dare anyone have an interest outside of sports and tinder if they arent paid to. American anti-intellectualism is exactly why you’re losing every single war and ruled by, shocker, the people who have hobbies as part of their culture
>>4524369trvth nvke“Anti gearfag” snapshitters are low IQ bucket crabs
>>4524369>medium format is for actual photography and everything else is e-waste bought by trend followers who shelve it a month later because their phone is the same.fixed.
all the camera reviewers have really small hands. they make the full frame gear look huge. It's not, it just doesn't fit in your pocket
Guys, I just bought pic related for $1800. Do I need it? Probably not. Do I enjoy gear faggotry and a good deal? Yes. Also we have an extension to the family coming in a short while so I justified it by that.
>>4524342>Not having a dinosaur camera means youre fashionable and gayMeds
>>4524372>6ft isn’t tall 7ft is tall >:(>-5’2”>>4524382>but the other girls will make fun of me because its oldlmao
>>4524381135mm f/1.8 would give a similarly blurry background but with a deeper depth of field so more usable for shit like portraits because you can actually get all of your subject in focus
>>4524386I have seen them for sale in the same ballpark and I would most likely have jumped on it if available. The 85 VCM is also probably a more practical lens, but at least I can play around with it with out taking a financial loss when and if I decide to resell it.
do not buy K&F adapters. just measured and the FD to RF adapter I bought is 3mm too short. what a joke
>>4524390Do not buy K&N (kikes and niggers) filters either
>>4524385>>6ft isn’t tall 7ft is tall >:(APS-C is more popular therefore it is 6' and FF is 7' lanklet.
>>4524394APS-C = uhm, the average human male height is 5’7” FF = It’s 6ft.
why doesn't fuji make full frame cameras?
>>4524392yeah I (wrongly) assumed it wasn't that hard for the chinese to machine a piece of aluminum to spec, no way I'd ever trust them with glass
>>4524409They know they can only get away with X-Troons weirdness at APS-C where people pay less attention to actual image quality.
>>4524409Because they are not allowed to.
>>4524372My large format cameras don't have any electronics so they are incapable of being ewaste. Ha ha!
>>4524132I thought /p/ said only white men shoot Sony
>>4524409They buy sony sensors. The sensors they’re using right now are sony’s next generation ones they aren’t even going to use in their own APS-C cameras for years. They are also the only brand other than hasselblad using sony’s 100mp mf sensors. I’d be 0% surprised if access to better sensors than sony is ready to put in their own cameras (until the ancient ones stop being profitable - consoomers still bought the fuck out of the a6700) came with some confidential stipulations.
now that I bought my first camera I shall quit browsing online photography forums forever. I don't care and you lot are really annoying. Lot of overwhelming advice too
>>4524136Thats because in equivalency terms a 2008 Canon sensor is the same as >2040 M43>2020 Nikon>2025 Snoy>2033 xtranny
>>4524423Your post tells me otherwise. See you in a couple weeks, young pup.
>>4524136holy seethe
>>4524388You can get plenty of third party 135mm's for like half that price, hell you could get Sigma's 135mm f/1.4 for that much (although I believe you'd need an adaptor for that one as it doesn't look like there's an RF version).
>>4524437Holy snoy
Looking at the state of this thread I'll most likely get shitposted to death but fuck it, whateverI'm in the market for a camera after my old ass sony rx100 shit the bed, I'm mostly looking for something small(ish) to do basic bitch travel photography stuff but now I want to have interchangeable lenses, budget is $1k-1.3k ABSOLUTE max for body + lensfrom what I could find my best options seem:>refurb Olympus e-m5/e-m1 mk iii's for 700-800 and then I'll have spare cash for lenses>slightly used sony a6600 + sony's 18-135mm oss for a grand>new canon r10 + 18-150mm is stm also for a grand>a refurbished sony a7s ii for a grand but then I'll only have 200-300 bucks tops to pick up some kind of a lensso far I'm leaning towards either e-m5 (fairly small, weather sealed, good lenses from what I hear but dead platform and people seem to have a hateboner for mft) or sony a6600 (also quite small, somewhat weather sealed, good battery, platform isnt dead)a7s ii seems quite old and bulky and then I have almost no wiggle room for lens selection, e-m1 in my eyes kinda loses to em-5 due to being bigger, and canon r10 while on paper might be good, lacks any weather protection and also looks bulkyThoughts? which one should I go for?
>>45244794/3s just doesn't make any sense, the body is larger than the A6600 for a smaller sensor. There are also no lenses equivalent to 18-135mm that are smaller.
>>4524479I know you are posting m43 bait, but I'll reply anyway. No one who makes an effort to post on /p buys their gear once. They spend money on it over time and it should have an upgrade path. M43 is a dead system, there is no upgrade path there expect in lenses - spending $10000 to take detailed photos of sparrows.>>4524480Olympus makes a 14-150 that is pretty small and has same IQ as the pancake zoom.
>>4524479I personally avoid Sony cameras due to poor UI/dial utilization.R10 has no IBIS while E-M5 has excellent IBIS = seconds of exposure handheld comes out sharp like pic related.Yes, m4/3 is on the way to retirement, but if you want to upgrade in the future you will have 14+ years of newer m4/3 bodies + lenses will be cheap second-hand.
>>4524479If you get the Canon, you'll have access to their entire EF and RF catalog as well as the wide variety of third party options (EF) that are still used - not to mention the range of older 35mm lenses that are now trivial to adapt (including Canon's old FD lenses).If you get the Olympus, you'll basically be limited to anything that was made specifically for M43 (that cannot be adapted to anything else), as using lenses from larger mounts without expensive speedbooster adapters isn't worth the hassle. You will also have no more future support from Olympus because they and Panasonic have all but given up on the mount for anything other than video content creators.
>>4524482Technically it's slightly smaller than the Sony lens, but that's offset by the larger body. Sure you do get a bit more reach (not quite the extra 100mm because the A6600 has more res for cropping) but the point was 4/3s doesn't have anything (that I could find) to compete that is smaller.
>>4524491sony is shit and you should feel ashamed for using it
>>4524479Fuji X-T30III with kit lens. You don't need more.
>>4524479Fuji, olympus, and aps-c canon are all garbage cameras only liked by loser autists that skulk around and photograph brick wallsGo find a used nikon z6 mk1 or z5 mk1 and get the 24-70 f4 to start and 40mm f2 later if you like it. Nikon cameras are actually well made. And even 1st gen Z body autofocus is better than fuji. Fujo autofocus flat out doesn’t work. Not to the standard of their price point or year of manufacture normally but sometimes it just doesn’t work at all.
>>4524483>comes out sharp>photo is actually super blurry, hazy, and all sorts of fucked up
I have a A7RV with several lenses that I use as a hybrid so around 60/40 photo and video. Mostly trips, family events, my son. Of course the quality of photos and videos is great and a pleasure to look at. But I often find the camera a bit too big and "too in the way" meaning that it attracts attention. And as much as I try to always bring it anywhere, there are those moments where I just leave it home because I don't wanna bring a bag. Recently I looked through my old Pentax Q files. Quality wise of course much worse but it worked well enough to bring back the memories and such. Even the videos. And that camera was much more of a joy since it was a real EDC. So I kinda seek for a smaller setup. I guess I can sacrifice the image quality if it's for less weight to bring. The Ricoh GRIV must be nice because it has this Pentax Q tininess, even smaller. Only problem is that it can't film in 4k and that is something I want to keep.. and not sure about the fixed 28mm. I'm also looking at the Fuji X-E5 with those cron lenses. Looks pretty small but I wonder if it's EDC small or does it still require a bag..? Such a pitty that Pentax buried the Q line.
Bought this 6 stop ND filter that I screw on my lens when filming. But it's always a pain in the ass if I do lots of photo and then video alternating. Am I supposed to just leave it on the lens and increase the iso for photos during the day? How would you do it?
>>4524491There are the Lumix 35-100 lenses, a smaller one and an f/2.8 one that is bigger on paper, but is an internal zoom (I think). Don't know about the Sony one, but 14-150 is almost twice the initial length when extended. Then there's Lumix 14-140.
>>4524479Spend an extra $100 and get the Panasonic s9.
>>4524496Haha I recognize that look, it's shot at f/16-f/22.
>>4524496The main problem is that chromatic aberration corrections were not applied or incorrectly applied leaving color channels misaligned which slightly blurs things.>>4524506AKTCHUALLY it's F9
>>4524505They want $1400 for this piece of unusable garbage now?>NO shutter, ALL moving subjects distorted>NO hot shoe, CANT use flash>NO viewfinder, CANT shoot in bright light>NO GOOD LENSES, L mount stands for loser. Doesnt even have a full fledged pancake lens! Even sony has a pancake lens!Get a used nikon zf and never look back if you’re spending $1400. Full shutter. Hot shoe. Leica M, sony FE, canon EF, and nikon F compatibility. Subject detection and focus confirmation in manual focus. The S9 is a literal scam.
>>4524507f9 on mft is the same as f18 on ff
>>4524502>Lumix 35-100 lensesSo a 70-200mm ff equivalent, the Sony is 28-200mm. Not really comparable.>Then there's Lumix 14-140Pretty much the same size as the Olympus 14-150mm
>>4524508Panasonic lumix is a failed business kept afloat for japanese honor reasonsThey exist because sony allows it and leica hasn’t finished outsourcing to china yet
>>4524479Buying anything but nikon for a hobby (or creative pro) is a fools errandCanon/sony are pro journalist brands now. Nikon is the only system that can adapt all film lenses without losing corner/edge IQ because their proprietary sensor covering is thin like film, and they’re the only brand other than leica that’s making a concerted move away from sony sensors and towards alternatives that are actually better at making sensors than sony has ever beenAlso all the nikons have focus stacking in camera. Only the sony 61mps do.
>>4524508>Get a used nikon zf and never look backthey said small(ish)
>>4524515The Nikon shill here is a literal LLM and outputs unrelated walls of text in response to some trigger phrases. It seems that it got fixed since last time; it used to switch to shilling Snoy after a few paragraphs.
>>4524515Oh no, 2cm and 0.5lbs!Thats totally worth paying $1400 for actual useless garbage missing everything that makes a camera a camera. The S9 is a shitty camcorder. Their autofocus doesnt even work for 24mp stills. Its only fast and accurate enough to be sharp in 2mp-8mp video where not every moment needs to be in focus.
>>4524515He’s right, though. The lumix S8 is literally unusable as a photography camera. Panasonic in general just doesn’t make good cameras. They cram pro video firmware options into frankly terrible cameras so amateur cinematographer wannabes can LARP>i shoot in le open gate bro and my 4k is… le DCIThe only other small camera is the snoy a7c which has half a shutter, a terrible EVF and bad colors.
>>4524519> Panasonic in general just doesn’t make good cameras.all that needs to be said desuthey also blacklist youtube reviewers who point out flaws or refuse to lie for them lol
>snoy schizo is samefagging himself again and still seething over that youtube video
>>4524507There's some CA, but also a lot of gray haze. I think it's a combination of trying to hand hold 1s and shooting without a filter with very a small aperture.The OM-5 shill in the previous thread had a much nicer shot, because I think the ND simulation takes a bunch of shorter exposures and then aligns them when stacking, so it's easier to hand hold.
>>4524521>Smart person A: Nikon is better. >Smart person B: Agreed. >local schizophrenic: SNOY DID THIS! ITS MOSSAD LLMS! THEY’RE DEFEATING MY TINFOIL HAT WITH SPACE LASERS!Kek.
>>4524513>towards alternatives that are actually better at making sensors than sony has ever beenSo then why is it that Sony is the top performing?
>>4524515lmao look at that giant piece of shit. doesn't even have BLINKIES.
>>4524515The bigger trend is that the guy is asking for something not too used and not too expensive ($1000 is still quite some money), and fullkeks are trying to take him for a ride. As usual, this will end up with suggestions to buy a 10 year old DSLR (e-waste).
>>4524495Didn't realize the last thread died already.
>>4524529He was already told to pick up a 1st gen z6/z5 for cheap instead of spending the same or more on phone tier shit from fuji/olympus
>>4524515>slight difference on pxlmagAnyone who screenshots pxlmag, dpreview, or photonstophotos is automatically indian
>>4524532phew, good thing I screenshotted cameradecision
What monitors are anons using for post-processing work? One of my dual monitors is starting to die and the colours were never great on them to begin with, so I figure it's time to replace them.
>>4524531There's no current FF gear "for cheap". It's either e-waste (older sensors aren't very good by today's standard) or a way to sell you overpriced glass or both. Well, ok, at least Z mount is not dead like m43.
>>4524535Why u lie?Old sensors are great except at 5 stop shadow recovery and 12800+ ISO shooting (no one does either) and the $500-600ish 1st gen Z cameras work as well as the 2nd gen with even better sensors than the d750/d850 that were already excessively good
>>4524535Haha >>4524136Lol
>>4524537People shoot in low light all the time (indoots, at dusk). At least Z5 has IBIS, so it's not a complete waste of money.
>>4524511Actually they make the best hybrid cameras on the market.>Overall CineD Camera of the Year winner – Panasonic LUMIX S1II>This year, numerous excellent cameras were released, making it challenging to choose the best one. Among the prime contenders, the Panasonic LUMIX S1II emerges as our camera of the year 2025. We extend our heartfelt congratulations to the talented team at Panasonic for their remarkable creation. We eagerly anticipate the company’s future endeavors.https://www.cined.com/cined-cameras-of-the-year-2025-panasonic-lumix-s1ii-overall-winner-nikon-zr-red-v-raptor-xe-8k-vv-iphone-17-pro/>Dynamic range results with IMATEST show good results, around 12 stops at SNR = 2, even without using DRE, and the exposure latitude reveals 9 usable stops, which is in the upper end for consumer full-frame cameras. All in all, the LUMIX S1RII is fit for all purposes – high-res still photography, solid videography with powerful internal 12-bit ProRes RAW codec, also allowing high frame rates at 4K120p in full frame.https://www.cined.com/panasonic-lumix-s1rii-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/
>>4524542Why should anyone care what some paid glaze op article has to say about your favourite camera?
>>4524417White men shoot anything but Sony. Sony is for brown men and women.
>>4524542You’re essentially repeating the post you quoted. They crammed professional video codecs into an otherwise trash camera. This is literally all panasonic does. Every single lumix is basically magic lantern installed on a shittier snoy.
>>4524545*the post below the one you quotedSeriously thats their entire business model>huehuehue we dont make good cameras so we have no pro line sales to protect so we can enable literally all the video options for this 5 year old sony sensorIf not doing manual focus video destined for intensive color grading panasonic is just junk. Single purpose cameras.
>>4524547>manual focus videomyth busted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG8-ecvu3ko
>>4524545The whole review just sounds like sponsored nothingtalk as well. Like fuck I get it, every camera brand is guilty but then what the fuck makes Panasoinic a standout? These people need to buy a cine camera and stop trying to push hybridization on everything.
>>4524548Oh yeah I totally trust a video by “vu nguyen” he definitely knows something all the pros dontJust like sony colors are the best because tony northrup said so
>>4524548Thanks for this opportunity to take the ytblock extension to cameratubeAs I click all these little red Xs I realize I never thought about how many literallywho paid shill channels pushing the same shit there areInterestingly none of them have ever affected realityEvery pro uses canon if they get a choice and sony if they don’t
Imagine having brand wars between "brands" all making Snoy cameras under different names.
>>4524542Sony bros...
>>4524542Idk how many manufacterers are doing it but I really had the mode dial placement on this Lumix. All the dials on top really. Why would you need a whole ass dial for cont/single shot... and why would you not have the mode dial on the left side where it's out of the way? Are you guys switching modes on the fly? I put my camera in M when I buy it and then it never leaves M. The EOS 1's just have a button instead of a dial for all that shit, which means you can change them with one hand but I prefer it, there so much more space for useful stuff, like a top LCD. This camera absolutely could have had a top LCD if not for the dial clutter.
>>4524334People have paid to have the right to publish my photographs, can you say the same?
>>4524501Magnetic filters15& on aliexpress some no name. The better quality ones are more expensive. I have the no name ones and the magnet power is not that great but usable. I don t know how powwerfull are the nrand ones like nisi klasse etcThe only problem is that you have 2 more rings one attaching to the nd filter one tu the lens and i get corner vignette on wide lenses as you get a small tube, a couple of mm, between lens and nd filterThere are some magnetic filter rings that are slim or even magnetic filters that are magnetic by design so you need just one ring on the lens. I don t have them so can t say anything about vignette. Search for reviews
Cameralet here. I dont even know how the settings on my phone work. Thoughts on the Ricoh GR iv?I like that it's small and compact, can carry it everywhere. Might even take a few photos of military buildings.
>>4524568sussy glowie post
>>4524547>>4524548>>4524551>>4524552x axis: deviation from sharpest photo in seriesy axis: number of photos
>>4524562You have never once substantiated that claim in all the years you've shitposted here, and you've made it *very* clear that it's because you're unable to - not just unwilling. Whatever schizobabble you try to pass off as trolling has only been entertaining to yourself, and you have only made this board worse for everyone.You have the bad reputation that you deserve.
>>4524562Yes lol, the difference is I've also posted plenty of proof here too
>>4524552>Every pro uses canon if they get a choice and sony if they don’tMost pros use windows 11. Doesn't mean it's a good operating system.
>>4524586Yes, but most people are not pros or intend to be including here so stop recommending pro gear for people starting out or on a budget.I juat got my driving licese guys what car should i buy.?>Bugatti coz top g has one anything lower you are a loser>no Bugatti has shit colour availability, get a used nascar,f1, rally carPeople here buy 80$ vintage manual lenses and you fuckers talk about sensor building technology like it makes any difference.Nobody cares what camera you are uaing juat takke nice pics. People have been taking good pics with first gen digital cameras with svga res and nobody cared. 98% of your 6gorilion pixels with top secret mossad sensor tech and adamatium bodies cameras will be sseen by people on their shitty phones or their work laptops with sdr lcd screens
>>4524588>you are uaing juat takke nice picsare u ok bwoyou might be having a stroke bwo
>>4524589* you are using, just take nice pics
>>4524588If I could take good photos, would I be posting here?
>>4524588A really fucking good camera costs 1/20th as much as the motorcycles literally every single american male with a job better than home depot clerk ends up riding at least once“Normal” people lease or go in debt for a $40k car for “safety” (status and comfort) and can as easily drive a $15k one“Normal” people go for $500,000+ houses with $4k/mo mortgage payments or live in $2k/mo city apartmentsSomeone who lives in a smaller house on the edge of town and drives an older car, while still having a job as prestigious as “unionized factory worker” has enough disposable income to buy new sony and canon mirrorless, YEARLY. And we’re not even asking about people with useful college degrees who still, live away from the city center, and drive an older car. With their $180k/yr salary.
>>4524618I don t know, but having the same useless post does not help anybody
>>4524644This is all trueAmericans poverty is self inflicted. Be a $22/hr welder, dont fall for the new car meme, and dont house yourself to impress others. Wow you’re suddenly rich. >but white wimnin want moar asian/latina/jewish women admire modesty and financial security and jewish women eagerly intermarryAnyone here who is an american male over the age of 20 can either afford a nikon zf or something, or is retarded. Euros and other third worlders on the other hand have an excuse and vomit when americans and middle class chinese talk like a $200 dslr is literally garbage
>>4524588>im poor so use a shitty 5DIIYeah but a Z5II gets the job done faster with no excuse making, less clack noises, and less ugliness and your ewaste cropmera gets mogged by a phone indoors or after 4pm. Those svga cameras required use of flash. Use of flash was a social norm because otherwise cameras didnt work. Now flash is implicitly forbidden and everyone is glad we live in a world without that obnoxious shit.
>>4524644> Car is same as hobby e-wasteNo it isn't.
>>4524649To some degree it is.Moat idiots buy cars just for the aesthetics or for hpThey don t care about what all the buttons do inside the car, never bother to even fix the time in the dashboard clockMost americans drive pick up trucks whitout picking up anything just because they are big.Buy a Ferrari coz is fast and red and has a horse sticker on the hood. Don t even know the engine is in the back. Many such cases.Buy latest iphone samsung phone use less than 5% of it.s capabiliteis. Does it matter how mnay ram ai flops or pixel density it has. No it s the latest moat powerful on paper i juat doom scroll insata and tiktok and send reels to other retards
I just went out birding for an hour and I blew through 1000 shots on my new R7. I was using low-speed continuous drive, and the mechanical shutterAm I retarded for thinking this is too much wear on the camera? Apparently the R7 is only rated for 200,000 mechanical shutter actuations? So 200 more outings like this and I need to buy a new body?
>>4524559>Why would you need a whole ass dial for cont/single shot... and why would you not have the mode dial on the left side where it's out of the way? Are you guys switching modes on the fly? I put my camera in M when I buy it and then it never leaves M.When I started with Lumix I liked the drive mode dial on the left because I could instantly see, and set while the camera is off the drive mode. I also kept the camera in manual mode.More recently I started using C modes and in those C modes I have the camera set to manual, but the manual settings are based on shooting situation C1 for landscape/scenery (slower shutter, lower ISO), C2 for action (faster shutter, higher ISO). If I'm doing a landscape shot and some birds/animals appear I quickly switch to C2 with my thumb.I would like to have burst in my C2 mode and not in my C1, but the drive mode dial does not allow it. My camera is pretty old so maybe it's possible to override the drive mode dial on newer models with the custom settings, but the obvious solution would be a "C" marker on the drive mode dial which follows the settings of the C mode and the other positions work as overrides.
Sony, Fuji, Canon colour science are all crap. Especially fujis.There's a reason why NASA use Nikon cameras.
>>4524649Right, paying 40 grand for a 2026 audiyota rs6 m4 is far dumber than buying a nikon mirrorless that will remain competitive for the next 10 years. Older cars are unironically better means of transport. There is no world where buying a new or new-ish car is a smart move unless you are so disabled you cant drive, you can only supervise an AI and hope it doesnt kill you or someone else (why do we allow this?). The auto industry is objectively shit.
another small prime for L-mount
>>4524655>So 200 more outings like this and I need to buy a new body?May need to. Consider how often you're doing it. Once every 4 weeks? The body should last you at least 15 years. Even every other week you will have most likely upgraded bodies before it's dead, or you could get a replacement for cheap.
>>4524662Wtf is wrong with that LUMIX text?
>>4524662Needs to be 5 times the size and weight so people will think I am a high testosterone alpha male when they see me
>>4524662>f2.2 chinkshit >no shutter>no viewfinder>no hot shoe>no weather sealing>is half a sony a7c running magic lanternThank god we have superior nikon. >>4524673You jest with the reee manliness bad tranny larp but the one and only time i saw that shitty camera IRL it was reskinned as a trans flag and the gay guy wearing it was also wearing a dress
Let's see how the shutter script flips when R8II and Z5III release without mechanical shutter. Canonkeks have already been coping for a while that no one needs IBIS.
>>4524662The need for the hot (lol no) shoe thumb rest is a disgrace.
>>4524676If they did they’d have faster readout than the value engineered a7c copy you shill nonstop, raj >1/30s sensorLol bad even as a video cameraIt crops 1.5x in 4k60. Lol! >its for uh, "content creators"Lol no one can tell a7rv and iphone youtube videos apart dont even bother
>>4524675Based never let a lumix shill get away with it. Lumix shills are indian bootleg snoy shills.
>>4524678I can tell. Phone videos have a lot of DoF while those who fell for the full frame video camera meme have blur everywhere and constant focus hunting.
>>4524680Not if the FF retard bought a 16-35 f4 for video like every snoy does. >huntingHuge issue with the 20mm f1.8 G and older uwa zooms on snoy. With Nikon it really only happened on the older cameras. Really bad on Fuji. Lumix fixed it by making autofocus slower to respond overall for a smoother look. Its basically the only thing they do right… it never grabs the right subject or keeps up in stills.
>>4524658>There's a reason why NASA use Nikon cameras.Because they are deceptive leeches?
>>4524683NASA cant even keep up with the chinese space program anymore because of the cost of protecting random middle eastern shitholes, liability lawsuits and DEI. Imagine still seething that they made it further than russia 50 years later.
Are those Voigtländer Noktons worth the price? They seem to have that "magic" rendering from 1.4 to 2. By magic they mean blurry, not sharp, low contrast and lots of flares. Sounds quite bad but apparently it has a unique look that is still loved by quite a few. My question is just.. is the image quality any different compared to those 100 bucks chink lenses? Pergear, 7artisan, etc.
>>4524675>Thank god we have superior nikon.Nikon made a similar bullshit but it's not even full frame and the rear screen is lower resolution.and no zebras in photo modeand no live view blinkies
>>4524571*deafening silence*
>>4524571A sourceless chart with no methodology etc directly contradicting the 30-40% af-c hit rate experienced by northrup and dpreview may as well be worthlessWhat is it, an af-s refocus test or an artificial target on a track? Those who hide information lie about it
How much do snoy indian shills get paid per post?
>>4524692https://www-optyczne-pl.translate.goog/514.3-Test_aparatu-Panasonic_Lumix_S1R_II__U%C5%BCytkowanie_i_ergonomia.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp>Typically, in an autofocus accuracy test, we take a series of 40 shots in a studio. We set the lens aperture to f2.8 and capture a resolution chart, refocusing each time. The results are presented as a histogram, which shows the percentage of deviation from the best MTF50 measurement in the series.
>>4524695AF-S refocus test then. Yeah, this was never what anyone was talking about. It’s wholly unrealistic, easily fucked up, especially by these retards (OL is not very reputable and runs imatest on single copies paired with genuinely bad photos) and doesn’t have any bearing on panasonic’s bad AF-C performance. Yet another case of panasonic shilling indians posting shit taken from shoddy pixel peeping centric sites. Field curvature, copy variation and falloff characteristics aren’t in their vocabulary so i’m not surprised they performed such a useless test and wouldn’t be shocked if they touched the camera each time. >>4524693No one likes sony here. It’s usually brought up as an example of cameras that are almost as soulless and poorly made as panasonic aka 5 year old snoys running ML. On the other hand there seems to be a paid lumix shill here begging people to buy that POS S9.
>>4524695>ears pulled>its an unrealistic test scenario in a different focus modekek
>>4524698>AF-S refocus test then. Yeah, this was never what anyone was talking about. When you say Panasonic has bad autofocus you should specify you are actually talking about tracking.>It’s wholly unrealisticI use AF-S 99% of the time and as the test results show it's extremely reliable on Lumix.
>>4524688>NO BLINKIES>I NEED MY BLINKIES>MOMMY BLINKIES BLINKIES NOW>GIVE ME BLINKIEEEEEEEEES>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHoly fucking shit not even a mild attempt at calling it something less autistic.
I met a 5DII user on a hiking trail yesterday. They seemed economically well off but they had a beat to shit camera and probably the shittiest 50mm f1.8. And they looked exactly like this. I asked them why they used such an old camera. They said “well mirrorless is like, kind of a downgrade man. cya” and then pulled their dog off my leg and left, probably to go take a photo of the only thing that’s out there: rocks, pine trees, and geese. Vintage DSLR shill phenotype. Remember it well.
>>4524736Kind of strikes me as the kind of guy that has freed himself from the gearfagging.No reason to buy more shit. The camera is ancillary to the hike.
>>4524736How many 5DII users did you meet again?
>>4524738One with a malinois puppy in a cringy tactical harness (figures) but he basically looked exactly like the D200 and pentax users i’ve sighted. >>4524737Why cant you be one and done with a newer better camera like a fuji? He said mirrorless is bad. Why are they like this?
>>4524740If this man was sane, the mirrorless is bad mantra is probably more to do with the increasing 'computerized" feel MILCs lend to photography. DSLRs feel a bit more like an SLR sans film than just a bigger mirrorless. This was a man you met on a nature walk, who per your description is likely financially content, and perhaps even free of significant strife in his life. What does a newer camera give him that the 5DII couldn't? Dude sounded zen.
>>4524741>dslr is zen>fuji is computerso it was (you)
>R8 Mark II is just a simple refreshYawn.
>>4524687Depends on the Nokton. The x-mount f1.2's are awful. The 35/40 f1.4 classics are pretty popular for their look:https://www.behance.net/gallery/72390397/Caro-Lossberg-in-New-York-CityThe newer 28/35 f1.5 noktons have had seemingly worse QC, and the 35 in particular suffers from a midzone sharpness dip that you can see towards the end of this review:https://jacktaka.com/voigtlander-35mm-f15My copy had a slight front focus, but getting sunstars at f2 was awesome.The 21mm f1.4, 35mm f1.2 III, and 50 f1.5II noktons are all among my favorite lenses for the focal length. The 75 f1.5 is nice too, but just has boring modern rendering.
Is the Nikon Z8 still worth it? The Sony A7RV is cheaper used, higher res and same DR. Z8 has faster readout and burst. I shoot a lot of Landscapes now with a 24mp camera and would like some more detail. I also want to get into wildlife photography. Should I stick with my Z system or switch to Sony? I've used both in the past and prefer Nikon's color and menus. The recent news of Nikon falling down is also putting me off from investing more into the Z system. If you have a Z8 please give me your feedback!
>>4524736>“well mirrorless is like, kind of a downgrade man. cya”It is with Canon because you lose the benefits of OVF without gaining the benefits of EVF, like live view BLINKIES.
>>4524763Nobody fucking uses those except videofags shooting log. Its been 10 years since this:>snoy, a7iii: we made live view blinkies correspond with raw!>every sane photographer: k *buys anything but snoy*
>>4524687>>4524754What threw me off the 35mm f/1.2 for Fuji is that the value proposition over Fuji's own 35mm f/1.4 is completely unclear: both go for comparable price used, but one has AF.
>>4524646>jewish woman>marrying a gentile welderThanks man, you’ve given me my kek of the day.
>>4524764>>snoy, a7iii: we made live view blinkies correspond with raw!sony does not have live view blinkies.
nooooo not the blinkieeesss
>>4524767 they are called zebraz
>>4524766You think its a joke but I’m a construction goy and I motorboat talmudic tatas nightly
>>4524759The Sony has like half a stop noise performance and significantly better dynamic range below 800. I'd say there are very few situations where more than 10fps is beneficial. Pre-capture is far more useful and something that the Sony lacks, although how important it is depends on what exactly you're shooting and how predictable it is.
>>4524754Thanks!
>>4524768>>4524769blinkies, zebras... they are good, but the premium solution is OM's tint overlay.
>>4524736>Mirrorlesscel gets humiliated in person by mirrorchadBased
>>4524763Also Canon's newer cameras bake in noise reduction prior to saving RAWs, so you can not get authentic RAWs on Canon mirrorless.
>>4524784Playing devil's advocate, filtering sensor data is pretty normal. Not that they draw feathers on airplanes or anything like that.
>>4524736Im not surprised, I was recently gifted a 'better' camera than my 5D2, but I never use it. Tried it out only a handful of times. 5D2 is the best camera ever made and its not even close.
>>45247815d III and 5d II both have live view zebras, it just that you never see it because most people are able to correctly expose photos so they dont need them.
>>4524800>5d III and 5d II both have live view zebrasmovie mode only
Do I get a Nikon Zf or either a Fuji X-T5 or X-E5
>>4524736i look like this & i shoot a d3500
>>4524799Best digital camera. There are way better film cameras than the 5d2.
>>4524687>>4524765the image quality is similar to the chinese manual lenses but the practical quality is much higher. smooth, stable operation, clicked aperture ring. if the cost-cutting measures don't annoy you, might as well go with the chinese ones. i have the 23mm nokton for fuji and it's my favorite third party lens on the system. the softer image complements the film shots i take and it feels nice to operate. i have the 35/1.4 as well, which is sweet, but the iq is still noticeably modern/digital>>4524821extremely subjective question with insufficient info to attempt to answer. what cameras have you used and what did you like/dislike about them? what are you hoping to experience from the new camera? have you researched each system's respective lenses?pic not related
>>4524821>do i pay $1400 for reliably sharp photos or $2000 for often blurry photos?The state of consoomers
>>4524828Fuji: All the bad parts of film (inaccurate focus, low real resolution despite huge digital image files, bad ergos, huge expense) without taking a real, physical photo or using a real optical viewfinder
>>4524821The Zf is just a better and slightly bigger version of the X-T5.
>>4524736i look like this and use a pentax k3coincidence?
>>4524802Nope. Flick it over to stills mode and it works the same.
>>4524821Nikon for bazooka lenses, Fuji for small lenses.
>>4524848Nikon has more small lenses than fuji despite being full frame, especially since all nikons can use sony and leica m lenses as if they were native.
What's a good starter camera if I like taking photos of moving things (the blur/grain thingy is really cool)Something lightweight, I have no photography skills, etc. Also military bases as well.
>>4524851It does not matter what is technically available, it matters what you will be reasonably using. Do you have a stash of Snoy lenses? Does that anon have it?
>>4524821Owned both, Zf is the better camera, but I preferred using the XT5 and would pick that unless wanting to shoot with adapted manual glass offen
>>4524832Pentax K-1, I have luscious hair and I clean shave.
>>4524800>it just that you never see it because most people are able to correctly expose photos so they dont need them.And yet they have and use review blinkies.>>4524838I guess another example of Canon mirrorless being more gimped than DSLR.
>>4524736>They said “well mirrorless is like, kind of a downgrade man. cya”You met cANON?
>>4524854t. dogsnapper>>4524856No one uses this shit except for jpeg boomers like ken rockwell
>>4524858>5DII>hates mirrorless>looks wealthier than they likely are>edgy dog in cringe tactical harness>looks jewish>far away from peoplecANON!
>>4524853Most retarded statement I've seen in a while. Absolutely zero relevance to anything unless anon happens to have a stash of Fuji lenses, which he never said he did and we have no reason to suspect. Even then, you can get an adapter to use Fuji lenses on Nikon, too.
>>4524863Do you even read what you type? What's the purpose of putting an aps-c lens on a low resolution FF body? Someone who is getting into a system will want a set of native lenses. Fuji makes sense if you want to have a smaller kit, Nikon makes sense if you want their bazooka glass.
>>4524867Are you retarded?Nikon Z, sony FE, and leica M have more small primes for full frame than fuji has lenses period and they all function natively on the ZF with $350 worth of super slim weather sealed adapters. Fuji cant even make a weather sealed cameraNikon > olympus > sony > fujiBlob tier: canon
>>4524867>defends paying $2000 for a blurry, nom weather sealed camera with shitty autofocus>is a bit dumb or an esl from a country where japanese/american price tiers are invertedtracks
>>4524871Oh fuck off shill. X-T5 is cheaper than Zf and is weather sealed (no one cares).
>>4524873Xt5: $1579-1999, rarely much less used because of women buying them to wear when fuji makes few camerasZF: :$1600-2100 but often <$1400 used because nikon made a shitton and many manky nikonians went to the z5II>and is weather sealedhttps://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/comments/1ujus6v/xt5_is_apparently_not_weather_resistant/https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/comments/1lri16k/my_turn_has_come_a_drop_of_rain_felt_on_my_xt5s/https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/comments/10sefvs/failed_xt5_weather_sealing/https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/comments/1k6uv3f/lately_everytime_i_bring_my_xt5_out_in_light_rain/
>>4524874>save less than $100 buying new like a sucker>receive worms, color bleed, focus misses, absent weather sealing, and a smaller worse lens selection, no ability to use leica lenses as leica intended eitherkek fuji
>>4524874I don't care about third world prices. Here, new Zf body only is 2500 Euro.
>>4524877>third worldWe paid for your nations security. If we allied with china and let russia run, we could afford free healthcare and free college. We crippled ourselves to maintain your nations friendship. If we abandoned european philosohpical values we could flip diversity and tolerance the bird and focus on winning, like our potential israel-like ally, china.
> Buy lens from MPB> It's full of dust> Return and ask for another copy> They send me a clean one> Happens twiceOftentimes, the serial number is visible when ordering, so it either twice the same coincidence or they are pulling some kind of trick on me.
>>4524877>Lives in a country without air conditioning as a universal human right>Calls other countries third worldishygddt
>>4524881Lol more europeans die of heat than americans die of gun violence and that’s before excluding black people and ashkenazim who mixed pot and SSRIs (aka literally 9/10 “white” mass shooters - jewbros, please be cautious with your neurochemistry)AND they pay extra for glorious full frame because their monarchs think peasants dont need (deserve) nicer cameras. Kek!
y-you dont need anything more than aps-c
>>4524884Are FF chuds always this insecure?
>>4524858>>4524862HEYI might look wealthier than I am but I have no dog, I don't look like a kike, don't wear tacticringe and the norwood reaper has spared me so far. I look more like a young Bannon with a greaser outfit than anything described here.
>>4524906Forgot trip
>>4524907Fatfingered it )))
>>4524908>>4524907>>4524906The spasticity of this reaction tells me that anon did, in fact, run into rabbi cANONberg on his way to photograph rocks and geese
>>4524911No but I respect using a 5DII in this day and age when superior options exist for just a bit more money. 6D is superior for most uses other than shooting RAW video (SD doesn't cut it). 5D3 is a massive upgrade in every way including reach.
>cANON when the snoyim know about his hairline
>/p/s most infamous antisemite and DSLR shill is actually an antisocial jewish guy who doesnt want to spend his shekels on "less camera"Cant say I’m surprised given his original, uh, "schtick">Oy vey they took the mirror out>freakin scam artists who do they think they are>What’s the deal with sony and fuji>I can’t photograph military installations in ukraine with this>how many pixels are you getting on target per shekel? >sony AI replaced my moon
>>4524921>obsession with value and cost cutting>constantly photographing saturn, no other targets>claims to know the space program is fake>spooky ukranian military intel stuffIt makes sense looking back desu
>cANON realized he blew his cover and is now trying to convince everyone he actually looks like a jew out of fear of doxxingSeriously how many people nowadays dress like "greasers"?
>>4524934All canon shooters are bald. Very bald. The only thing rounder and shinier than a canon shooter’s camera is their forehead. The longer you handle canon gear the balder you will go. Add in schizo 4channer DNA and lack of hygiene and wala.
>>4524943>oh no I have been portrayed as the basedjack, and you as the chadjack
>>4524944>t.
>>4524945Jokes on you I took all the mirrors out of my houseEVEN THE DSLRS
>>4524943I find it so strange to include Canon in this identity war. Canon users dont shoot canon because it's a core part of their ego, they just use them because they're good tools that make working as a photog easier and they have a good support network.
>>4524968Incredibly bald post
Is a fooj xf 55-200mm too long for travel photography in Italy?Planning to hit the main tourist attractions in Rome, Florence, and VeniceThe lenses I'm definitely bringing with me are>sigma 12mm f1.4>sigma 17-40mm f1.8>viltrox 56mm f1.2 proI do have the option to bring a viltrox 75mm f1.8 evo instead of the fooj zoom if its range is too long for Italian cities
>>4524968Really? Im going to buy a canon now. Thanks anon!
>>4524968>they're good tools that make working as a photog easier>no live blinkies
>>4524987>WHERE MUH LIVE BLINKIES?
>>4524988this but unironically
>>4524968Canon user = very low information personDefers their thinking to other people.Believes consensus is always correct.We're talking double, triple vaccinated.
>>4525006This also describes micro four thirds users tbqh>well youtube said>well uh>full frame is nazi right wrong consumerism>nikon sold out to Israel durrrr >the population in gaza increased it was a genocide
Mirrorless is the superior tool for accurately capturing a scene which is an undeniable fact.Mirrorless with exposure simulation active allows the photographer to do real-time comparison between what they see and what the camera sees for adjusting camera settings until it's a match. This is necessary because the way that light affects the human eye versus a camera sensor is very different, especially in low-light scenarios.Yes, you can do it with some DSLRs in live view if you have a LCD loupe to block light pollution, but the back displays are generally low contrast LCDs which are far inferior to the OLED viewfinders that most mirrorless cameras have.You could also hook up a good quality hooded field monitor to a DSLR, but for the price and inconvenience you may as well go mirrorless.For beginner photographers on a budget I recommend going for used micro four thirds or fujifilm since they will not be stunted in their learning by getting stuck in obsolete DSLR workflows/habits like spending hours on a boomer PC paying insane amounts of money to edit the raws.
>>4525006>Defers their thinking to other people.You are no longer allowed to have opinions on a camera without posting a verified serial number and a paper receipt showing you have formed your conclusion based on first-hand knowledge.
>>4524977You dont need more than a leica m6 and a 28mm f2 summicron gearfig
>>4524977I would just take the 17-40 honestlyI brought 16/18-55/35/56 when I went, and I'd just take my 17-40 and call it a day if I were to go again
>>4525014It is my honest opinion that “serious” photographers have gotten dumber, less creative, and more gearfaggy over time and are currently the dumbest fucks on earth. APS-C used to be a refuge for sane people who saw the direction FF was going when “new slim mirrorless” lenses got huge and the cameras got thick because muh pros muh 4k video. Now it’s literally just worse full frame that costs about as much.
>>4525009So you're a crutchfag who will never be able to shoot film
>>4525016Amazing how both these setups run near/past $3000 US said and done and yet neither is weather sealed as well as a pentax DSLR from 2013. >massive fucking expensive ass camera>cant get wet
>>4524968Most people shot what they shoot because that is what they could afford, or after switching systems conclusioned that that is what satisfies them ergonomically, or lens availability or weight wise, iq wise coulour wise. >90% of people don t switch cameras or brands every months or year. Most keep them for a couple of years or until they break or become too old and are missing new features that the owner wants/needs<0.1% of photgraphers shot all brands top cameras to know how they compare.All use review sites before making a purchase and these sites might be biased so you are never 100% sure on what is the best camera end even there you could get some lemon that has the shutter failing at 10k snaps
>>4525043Or what their friends recommend or have so they can borrow leneses or understand settings
>>4525006>Believes consensus is always correct.that's why he gets so upset by dpreview pxlmag etc links to objective data, because that's "doing your own research" while he wants you to "trust the science" i.e. accept the consensus that canon is the best because it sells the most.
>>4525052Dpreview and pxlmag are not objective dataDpreview uses inconsistent tests with a worse program than darktable and bad lens selection, combined with tint corrections to hide bad color science, cheating with bad lighting, or both. Use photonstophotos and adjust for dxomark measured ISO. pxlmag dramatizes differences with bad photoshop skills and a lack of real world references. Use photos of average height (6ft2in) men holding cameras instead.
>>4525057plxmag is poorly coded, use camerasize.com/compact/ instead which is accurate. Pic related is a good example, 10% difference in height, listed by pxlmag themselves, yet the pictures look the same.Below, the accurate comparison by camerasize. Frens don't let frens use pxlmag.
>>4525017This. Bro simply cannot rotate an apple in his head.
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>>4524988Posted it again award
