>Taiwan has a TFR of 0.65kids/womanFor a hypothetical scenario, starting with a cohort of 1M and assuming a 1:1 pair ratio>1st gen: 1,000,000>2nd gen: 325,000 (67.5% reduction)>3rd gen: 105,625 (89.4% reduction)>4th gen: 34,328 (96.5% reduction)In just 4 generations your people are permanently gone. Not even most genocides are this catastrophic but it's just normal today, and if current demographic trends continue is where we'll all be in a couple decades.
Most people just don't understand what a low TFR really entails. Here's a helpful graph for clarity
>>535818012How can we get Indian to have a negative TFR?
>>535817980It can't, we are going to get a roman crisis of the third century apocalypse on our lifetimes, if we see a mix of AI + usa yield curve control and debt evaporation we have a chance to turn things around.Otherwise it's game over by mid late 2030s the armies and govs won't become smaller as pop go smaller they will hunt their own pops as diocletian did.AI actually forcing them to build physical stuff to avoid losing the service economy may actually force them to do some kind of roosveltian national socialism and control of bond yields which may actually make debt to gdp ratio go down and with that wages up in real terms and housing cost deflation in real terms.But it all depends on what happens politically the next 3 years.
>>535818012it's worse than that, because those fucking charts do not account that the economies collapse and civil war starts with the breakdown of the supply chains which accelerates the trend which causes low sanitation and health standards which triggers pandemics and triggers a entropic civilizational collapse loop.The only time this shit was stoped on a serious level was Anastasius Dicorus in the eastern roman empire after the fall of the west by adopting a bimonetary system which in all practicality allowed the state to inflate it's debts while moving to a hard currency standard.And justinian fucked it all up in a generation anyway by larping as caesar and conquering lands he could not settle because demographics were just going up afters plebs were allowed to accumulate capital by dicoruis
>>535818071India has made significant efforts in gender equality and women's financial independence and legal freedom, and they've significantly expanded access to contraception and public sterilization especially for rural and uneducated women. They're below replacement now except for their Muslims.>>535818128>2030sNo that's too early for the dependency ratio of oldfags:working population to collapse. They can still squeeze out a few more decades
>>535818212How does an economy "collapse" if AI does all the economy for the 10% rich?A 0.0001 TFR is practically our only chance the rich hoarders don't genocide us useless eaters.
>>535817980what that chart clearing indicates is that Japan needs more brown people.
>>535818389*clearly
>>535818012So Korea would still be overpopulated by a factor of 1000 in 100 years. And that assumes they don't breed more again in the whole coming century.
>>535818389>no japs on the chart>hurr durr japan hurr durr migrantKek shills are obsessed with them
>>535817980not my problem to solve. its what the people of these countries chose.
>>535818441What I'm describing doesn't apply to Korea only, it's a global phenomenon happening across every country on the planet; rich or poor, developed or not, educated or savages, equal or unequal, we're all in this predicament and the only difference is when we'll have to pay for it. East Asia is just ahead of the curve and are thus a useful example.
>>535817980Mandatory Demographic Draft.Women are drafted at age of 18 and live in Demographic barracks until they give birth to 2 children.
>>535818667kids were used as labor , there was no pensions too , so to ensure you dont end up a poorfag oldfag you had to have kids no matter what , now it's pretty different
>>535817980Get me a wife who expects me to be the head of the household and I'll have double digit kids
>>535817980These outlier birthrates are not because of the nation becoming rich alone>South KoreaExtreme feminism and gender war with shit work culture. There are whole ass documentaries on how dystopian South Korean society is>China1 child policy backfired immensely, shit work culture, feminism is also very rampant there >SingaporeSmall island nation with overpriced costs of living to the point it’s hard to support yourself let alone a child >Thailand90% of people in crippling generational debt and everyone leaving for Bangkok or other cities making the countryside completely depopulated >TaiwanSame as Singapore
>>535818740>kids were used as labor , there was no pensions too , so to ensure you dont end up a poorfag oldfag you had to have kids no matter what , now it's pretty differentYou dumb.To not end as poor you need monetary savings not kids, same today.For peasants with limited land supply (like always was in Europe) children are liability. Your yelds are limited by your land, kids are just extracl mouth's to feed from the same plot and same yeld.
>>535818740Kids aren't used as labor in Israel, why are they the only OECD state with a TFR above replacement? I'm not antisemitic btw and don't view this as a deliberate conspiracy but the "it's just economics bro!!!!" cope falls apart once you look at Tunisia's awful 1.3 rate and Turkey's 1.36 and compare them to Israel's hasidim or even Mizrahi orthodox rates
>>535818763>Spain, Italy, Germany
>>535818563I isn't hear you!Quick import more Indians!
Not my problem.>but what about your retirement, anonWhen I hit 60 I'll go into the jungle and fight a jaguar
>>535818836working a farm plot was heavy work dont assume it was like modern time when you can just use a tractor and drive around , they needed as much labor , kids could help as soon as they reached 8>>535818848jews are not human , our rules dont apply to them
>>535818740Reasons coming to mind are "I can do better than this on judah.social" and "life is so disrupted and stressful now I can't risk kids" and "gevalt there is someone every 50 meters", i.e. biology reacting to social engineering, runaway change and overpopulation. What about city vs rural? Cities brought choice overflow and density stress to people centuries ago.
>>535818897Half of Singaporeans are jeets. Look at their birth rates
>>535817980It is quite simple to fix the demographic issue however people are retarded unfortunately. All people need to do is spread out children to reflect longer lives. For which we find many references in nature, the elephant and dolphin for instance will have one infant only every 3-4 years. In human terms all that means is have a child at 18-25 then wait 8-10 years.Again with the retardedness, I'm not sure people understand how much of an impact 2.25Xing the global average lifespan in the space of 100 years has on society. It cannot be overstated. I would say you are talking hunter gatherer to agrarian or level change. Birth of tech is easy, customs are very difficult.We are no where near the bottom however the bottom in the first world is nowhere near as bad as any young fairly fit male can imagine. Would be very nervous if I were a woman or old person if they weren't so retarded.
>>535817980these numbers are rigged off course. the first migrant wave make alot of kids but then they get used to the plantation and then it stops.the golems are not happy. but we dont need them anymore.
>>535818970>working a farm plot was heavy workNigga please. You know nothing about economy.Since high medieval age it was drastic undersupply of land in Europe and massive agrarian overpopulation.Average plot was like 15 acres (France before Revolution). To put into perspective Under the U.S. Homestead Act of 1862, the standard plot size granted to settlers was 160 acres.
>>535818970>jews are not humanI beg to differ. They're the only developed nation that's figured this out we should learn from them. Their birth rate has been rock solid for decades now and absolutely defies gravity despite every single other nation declining. If you look at their GDP per Capita, education rates, female labor participation, gender equality indices, etc you would NEVER expect them to be at 2.8TFR but they do it effortlessly with the Hasidim and Orthodox. Even Hiloni secular Jews have a far higher TFR than secular Asians or Euros.
youre all going to be replaced by indians
>>535818971yeah , cities are too big now , in the past it was rare to see a city with 1 million pop
>>535817980As ever, these are old numbers since they always look backwards. I'm party to current numbers and they have further dropped off a cliff.
>>535819193but most of those births are from the haredi jews that get free gibs from the government , haredis have 6+ children and it's their religious duty to have as many as possible they dont contribute to anything
>>535817980>society>UN statssmells like b8 but whatever.>kpopis too bad but i hate kpop.>commiesiClapped. crying mizu of joy.>singapoor multculture legal migrationslol. the idiots. they're proof you can replacing babies with flooding the cunt full of both commies AND indians. they frankly deserve to go extinct at this point. they did a self-genocide. >bangcock tranniestrannies are self-genocide and half of them have turbo-AIDS before they even turn 13. they're fucked very literally for decades now. also proof that sex-tourism can't save your cunt.>taiwan NUMBA WAN!!!ok that's grim. we do need their chips. like japan , looks like their economy and property prices are already "mature" and overpriced. >how fix it? fuck if i know. ask >>>/biz/ bros. maybe they will shill u a meme coin answer.
>>535818242time to ban islam then.
>>535818848 >>535819193chosen people will inherit the world. i guess israel's god was rite....
>>535819498Please look at the Muslim majority countries in >>535818667 (Tunis 1.3, Azerbaijan 1.49, Turkey 1.42, Iran 1.29, etc) or start researching demographics in the Islamic world. Islam's conservatism has only slowed the trend but nothing can stop it. Regardless, declining birth rates are not a concern for my region and we'd actually benefit from it but that's another subject
>>535819092Human fertility - particularly those of bitches - drops sharply off after 25-30 for evolutionary reasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWOErbTL9N4. What you are proposing is unworkable, it will create a generation of autists and retards if people were to have the second and third children in their 30s and 40s. PS: Shut the fuck up you Paki-loving cunt. You English faggots pay nearly half of your income as tax to support Muslim welfare munchers who rape your children and bring in more of their inbred relatives to replace you while British families are evicted to accommodate them, with the full support of most of the population. You're a castrated, self-hating Labour-voting poofter who celebrated the Manchester bombing, sucks the cock and balls of Two Tier Keir the Queer and sold out your own country to the assorted trash of the third world for a chicken tikka masala.If a dirty little swollen headed Somalian foreign bastard stabbing a 6 year old British child 177 times does not make you want to stand up for your country and fight back then I don't know what will. Yet the vast majority of Britroaches continue to defend immigration and minorities. There isn't a single Britroach alive above the age of 20 who is not complicit in the mass sexual exploitation of the Muslim grooming gangs and the subsequent cover up. Each and every one of you, is the moral equivalent of Jimmy Savile and should be treated as such. Everywhere you go, you should be subjected to beating, mutilation and sexual assault. If you have any children, I hope they are killed in a similar fashion as the ones in the Southport stabbing. You have done nothing but advocate for unlimited immigration and the destruction of your own race
>>535819683>Tunis 1.3, Azerbaijan 1.49, Turkey 1.42, Iran 1.29,ok. import more israeli jews. toppest kek.
>>535819794>ok. import more israeli jewsok maybe i need to elaborate. import more israeli jews to save the muh muslim cuntries. oh my fedora! i almost koffed up my drink!
>>535817980If ur so concerned, give me your sister you retard
>>535817980>In just 4 generations your people are permanently gone.Wouldn't it be 3 generations because of the inbreeding danger appearing when at 60,000 or lower or something? I heard about that at some point but I might be misremembering.
There is nothing wrong with population decreasing. The jews can seethe their goycattle slaves aren't reproducing enough all they want nothing is gonna change. Fuck your fake and gay economy.
>>535818667>Australia>one of the few places that increasedI am now accepting requests to breed your women
>>535817980They will have smaller populations and thanks to AI and automation they will become more prosperous.They export their technology across the world and have little in the way of competition.
>>535817980I WILL NEVER HAVE SEX3DPD
>>535817980How the fuck is taiwan's number even real?>in 4 generations you're goneIt's unlikely that these birthrates will stay this way for 4 generations long luckily
>>535817980I thought the jungle Asians would still be breading like crazy, they're not?
it won't, once your fertility drops below a certain point you will just be taken over by a more sensible civilization that isn't so self-effacing
>>535823461based anti-sex-tourist
>>535823567>It's unlikely that these birthrates will stay this way for 4 generations long luckilyIt will most likely get significantly worse. People want to blame everything when the problem is urbanization. Cities are anti-human and fuck with our reproduction and social relations.
>>535823890>a more sensible civilization that isn't so self-effacingaccording to to babylon's stats, that's jews. >>535818848and i will cheer for it if true.
>>535817980i think its just a shift. Its a soace in time in which the breeding people shuffle. Those who dont want to continue will phase out, and those who can continue finding meaning in breeding will define the future of humanity.
>>535818740Pensions are a retarded idea. If you didn't contribute to society by having children, or being valuable enough to your community to have people look after you in old age, that's on you.
>>535818012Factor in non whites for Norway and it’ll be lower
>>535817980First by kicking niggers,indians, muslims etc out basically all the evil secondly incorportare robots and send the remaining population home, let them breed done, big dealbasically what china is doing
>>535818071Why not Israel
>>535817980Tell the boomers to stop hoarding wealth.
>>535824099China's birth rate is collapsing retard.
>>535824137Illiterate son of a bitch, I hope your family gets blasted.
>>535817980>Implying the fertility rate stays low foreverAs the population number goes down the access to housing and jobs becomes incredibly easy and the demand for more labor increases which leads to a rising birth rate eventually.What's the big deal? Most countries population 5x or 10x in the past 100 years and it's natural to let it cool down a bit. Importing a bunch of browns into our countries is way more destructive than low birthrates.
>>535818012Very cool Moshe, very cool.However>population of norway5 million>population of south korea51 millionKekNorway is one Israeli nuclear bomb from becoming an endangered species whereas South Korea still has genetic horcruxes in North Korea and China.
>>535824485And by our countries I mean western countries, European countries. Not some araboid shithole with the same fertility rate as mosquitoes.
>>535821774>Aging population and increasing life expectancy means the 65+ cohort keeps getting bigger and bigger>Low birth rates means no future workers to pay into the tax pool>more dependents who need decades if life extension treatments and pensions>fewer workers to fund this>can't replace yourself with foreigners like Europa because they're all xenophobicYour thinking would be perfect if old people just instantly died upon retirement but social spending is the #1 fastest growing source of government spending in all developed countries>>535823352>smallerAt this rate they will literally cease to exist>>535824156Sir do not derail the thread with seething please. Namaste
>>535817980Will thailand also kick out the jews?
>>535824485>the population number goes downThe total number isn't going down fast enough because oldfags now routinely live to 80, 90, and 100 years and all of this is propped up by (You)r taxes. They've had the longest to accumulate capital and they're not letting go of any of it and they're still getting paid to exist. If pensioners just died this wouldn't be an issue, but again they aren't. Plus foreign investors and chaebols can just swoop in and rape your empty economy and lock you out
>>535817980800 000 000 people is more than enough globally.There's no need to be 8 000 000 000 people on this planet.
>>535824619Rates change, the rate of one year isn't as relevant as people think it is.Also the current pension system is a Jewish Ponzi scheme, it was never designed to last and was largely designed to extract wealth and promote hyper-individualism.
>>535818614Nigga Tunisia itself is below replacement rate
>>535824021>Pensions are a retarded ideaBut not the reason you are thinking.If you just put your pension payments in to bank deposit you get bet retirement than with state pension (and massively better if you invest into stocks).Pension is a commie government scam to take money from working people and give it to commie parasite electorate to buy votes.
>>535817980We are already having issues with employment rates and a LOT of jobs are going to be replaced by AI and robots in the near future. It's actually good that the populations are shrinkingNow just stop sending food to Africa and let Indians starve in their poo rivers
>>535824156May you have no children.
>>535825515usury should be illegal, you should have to invest in productivity or do work yourself to make money.
>>535825566Usury is completely fine if money are gold.
>>535824751As the population numbers decline the social security system will collapse or be severely limited (due to an inverted age pyramid) which will cause society to value family once again since having strong and healthy family members will be a major asset in such conditions.It's literally a nothing burger that fixes itself over time. The real disaster is importing a bunch of foreigners and commit ethnic suicide because of muh gdp. Any kind of foreign attempts to conquer (either through purchase or ethnic genocide) should obviously be stopped but that's a problem related to our values that still exists regardless of birthrates.Theoretically you could have a western country with a birthrate of 5 but they would still import a bunch of foreigners with a birthrate of 10 and end up being replaced by them. That's all because they don't value their own existence and see everyone as interchangeable (retarded value system).
>>535817980>cost the taxpayer more to keep them working than if they didn’t at all>wont have kids >wont get married or cohabitate>create constant non-issue abstract problems for governance, making an easy job unnecessarily difficult >firms are paid by the taxpayer to private entities to create make believe jobs to keep them in the workforce >cut the actual productive member of societies potential earnings by at least half leading to an assortment of other problems The woman issue has always had an inevitable outcome and this isn’t the first time in history this has happened. It flat out is not sustainable not only from a demographic standpoint, but merely on a basic economic one. Women aren’t men, they can’t work as hard or for as long as men and they have far too many potential health issues to keep them from being an economically viable source of labour. This will all turn around one day and like clockwork they will assume their natural position in society and act as if the past never happened at all.
>>535818128Liberalism always leads to feudalism. We’re at the cusp, but exactly when The clock strikes midnight is likely 2030.
>>535825606no. usurers should be put to death.
>>535818359Ai can't actually operate in the real world, you still need people
It's natural selection. The people who don't wanna become parents are taken out of the gene pool. Meanwhile, the people who like having children will pass on their genes, and their children will in turn be more likely to want to have children.Since a ton of people aren't reproducing, there's a lot of selection going on
>>535818012>>535817980Around gen 2.5 in your example the jobs will start to pay reasonably and housing is affordable leading to a population boom.
>>535817980That's the price for success. Only unsuccessful people and nations breed
>>535817980Society can, banks cannot.
>>535818128AI and artificial wombs might unironically save us. We could produce hundreds of thousands of people per year, grow them in orphanages guarded by a few thousand nurses and in 20 years you're gonna have a new young generation as large as you please
>>535818763All excuses, there's no reason why Thailand should be any different to Indonesia or Bangladesh
>>535821774>The jews can seethe their goycattle slaves areIn 3 generations Jews are going to come and put you into death camps for what you did to them during Roman times, medieval ghettos and axis collaboration. Everything is pointing to this direction
>>535827544Under neoliberalism you need no such thing. They can just import infinity 3rd world migrants to offset the reduced supply and let your crumbling population drive demand down through reduced consumption. I'm not saying this is a permanent solution but you can kick the can down the road and avoid confronting this while not harming shareholder profit for many many decades with this strategy. If someone dissents just call them a racist bigot nazi etc etc and jail them.
>>535817980>Expel the Jews>Kill their imported niggers >Hang compromised politicians >Suddenly your nation is a utopiaHuh. Guess violence does solve everything
>>535830529China is compromised by Jews?
>>535819968I thought you were racist :(
>>535817980They are generally highly fertile,but since they can see naked women anytime, anywhere these days, they’ve stopped making an effort to have sex.In other words, the solution is simply to take away their smartphones and PC.
>>535830809What do you think
>>535817980>south kimchi land has fertility rate higher than 0>their news reports told us that this year is the first year that most of the schools have 0 grade 1 students
>>535817980Rape teenage girls
>>535817980It bounces back. The people breeding will pass down their pro-breeding lifestyles, the population gets low enough that resources like housing becomes more available and you have a renaissance like after the Black Death. There are four issues that need to be dealt with before that can happen:>immigration>education>lifestyle>invasionSo we're up shit creek but it's not impossible. Ending immigration and expelling the foreigners would start the process automatically, it'd just be a struggle to maintain the course. What's most likely is the first world goes through something between the Troubles or the Bosnian War, whether we make it out is mystery.
