How do we achieve peace between our retarded governments? Ukraine continues to send drones into Russia. Russia continues to push soldiers into Ukraine.Europe and USA continues to push weapons and money into Ukraine.What can we the people do to stop this?
the solution is to not stop. allow immigration but only to be conscripted as a soldier. free immigration to russia and ukraine but you get sent to the frontline, all jeets and niggers go to the frontline meatgrinder. let the war go on permanently.
>>535821487you stop russia from invading.at the end of the day this has been the problem all along.
>>535821487The solution was always Americans using their 2A against tyrants.They wanted the global hegemony without the responsability.
>>535821487This: >>535821556/thread
>How to achieve peace.The United States is to blame for all of it. All of it. 100% of the problem with zero exception. Just like in every concept. Just posing this question, in and of itself, is a deceptive way of framing this problem as being "part of both sides" when we know its just 1.
>>535821631>>535821556Wow. Maybe you shouldn't have tried to militarize their border and put nuclear weapons just a few miles from Moscow. Wew. Maybe if you didnt do that then they would not have had to defend themselves from you.
>>535821556>>535821631>you stop russia from invading.Okay. How? How do you stop them? Because it seems to me Russia still has manpower advantage. And in classic commie tradition, any technical advantage or wunderwaffen Ukraine might create, Russia is soon to copy.
>>535821487>How do we achieve peace between our retarded governments?Give Ukraine more long range capabilities so r*ssia is forced to negotiate.
>>535821679Literally Russia/Moscow is the one that put nukes near the border, neither Ukraine nor NATO did. If anything that would be another point against Russia.
>>535821641i'm way past the blame game at this point. I just want the bleeding to stop and the escalation to reverse.
>>535821740Already tried that. Doesn't work.
>>535821725There is only a single country left in Europe after over 2000y of war. Because it's unstoppable if a country has the manpower advantage.
>>535821796Russians dont care about losing men but striking economic targets hurts their oligarchy and forces them into peace. If Putin refuses a peace deal oligarchy will choose a new leader for russia.
>>535821739I think it's gonna happen, but sure it remains to be seen.
>>535821758well no actually. we're not "passed the blame game" its a matter of you as the western political establishment needing to stop fucking invading everyone and practicing your imperialism all over the fucking world.>>535821757ok. its their border so thats perfectly fine (assuming its even true in the first place which it probably isnt coming from NAFO fuckers like you). the problem is the united states went and put its weapons on the ukrainian border and obviously no nation can existentially allow this and survive.
>>535821487There is a single person who could end this war today
>>535821487Finish the Painters great work.
>>535821487kill all russians, problem solved
>>535821884>its a matter of you as the western political establishment needing to stop fucking invading everyone and practicing your imperialism all over the fucking world.I agree with this, at least partially. But what I'm asking is how do we stop it?
>>535821884It didn't happen and Russia invaded regardless so this excuse is Russian bullshit and can be ignored to begin with.Even in theory whether it'd be dubious would depend on how disproportionate to the situation the buildup of allied forces it would be.That's how it is in Europe, only if someone tries to put disproportionate forces in a position to invade it's getting provocative. If Russia has ball park the same amount of forces near the border and in reserve they however can't even fucking complain.
>>535821679Ukraine doesn't have nukes you idiot>>535821725We should help Ukraine to have the best weapons possible. We can help fund their drone development which can defend the front line. And we can help fund their long-range Flamingo missiles which can hit Russian oil facilities, pressuring the Kremlin to reconsider their actions against Ukraine.
>>535821862>striking economic targets hurts their oligarchy and forces them into peace. If Putin refuses a peace deal oligarchy will choose a new leader for russia.They/we have been doing this for years. We were told the oligarchs would force peace all the way back in 2023/2024. It's 2026 and there's no sign of this happening. It's clearly not working.
>>535822041>it didnt happen.....THERE WAS A WHOLE FUCKING REALITY TV IMPEACHMENT PROCESS IN THE UNITED STATES (WHICH I HAVE ZERO DOUBT OUR BULLSHIT PRESIDENT WAS IN ON HIMSELF IN ORDER TO BUMP UP HIS OWN APPROVAL RATINGS WITH FAKE VICTIMHOOD) WHICH CENTERED HEAVILY UPON THIS EXACT PREMISE. LMFAO. DONT FUCKING TELL ME WE DIDNT PUT WEAPONS ON THEIR BORDER YOU GASLIGHTING FASCIST FAGGOT.
>>535822070LMFAO ANOTHER ONE. SEE >>535822097.FUCKING PROFESSIONALLY PAID PROPAGANDIZING PIECES OF FASCIST SHIT.
>>535822041Even with the assumption that everything is Russia's fault. How exactly does that help stop the war? We can't win by sending weapons and money into Ukraine. It only prolongs and escalates the war. So the bleeding continues. And since Russia has more manpower, Ukraine will bleed out first.
>>535821487Russians are under the control of jews. (Putin -half jew)America is under the control of jews. (Trump literally swore to protect Israel)Ukraine is under the control of jews. (Literally full jew Zelensky)European Union is under control of jews. (Ursula - We have Talmudic Values)Do you see the problem ?
>>535822070We've been doing this for years and it hasn't brought the war any closer to an end.The definition of insanity comes to mind.
>>535822219This is correct. As long as the jews are allowed to exist, there will be no peace. Look at Iran right now, the orange retard was just about to end the war, but one call later from netanyahu was enough for him to back out and resume the chimp out.
>>535822365Yeah, Trump is basically just a lap dog for Jews.Second he tries something on his own they say they will release the proof of him doing something on Epstein Island and he licks the dick and swallows.
>>535822140Continue to support Ukraije until russia collapses. Simple. Then we can finally start talking about peace once russia surrenders.
>>535821487>PeaceI don't want peace I just want to be left alone. Dissolve EU dissolve schnegen dissolve NATO.
>>535822140>We can't win by sending weapons and money into Ukraine.Many nations including russia itself and even the USSR (that included BOTH Ukraine and Russia) were defeated that way already, so of course that's bullshit too.Besides I don't think the nations opposed to Russia have many if any limits on acting after they've been threatened by Russia like that. Russia probably is facing 2000y+ old political mechanics against the invasive empires that try to erase the rest in Europe. So far they were all ground to dust.
>>535821487Um, sweatie, peace is antisemitic. Why do you hate jews so much?
>>535821524Im okay with this, but the jeets are disappearing here. I have only seen one this week. I use to see three or more a day
>>535821641>The United States is to blame for all of it. All of it.>totally not the jews, fellow goyim. Found the JIDF shill.
>>535821740>Give Ukraine more long range capabilities so r*ssia is forced to negotiate.No, goyim. Peace will happen when all the slavs kill each other and make room for the new Jewish Khazarian Empire.
>>535822955>but the jeets are disappearing here. I have only seen one this week. I use to see three or more a daySorry anon. You can have our jeets and our niggers.
>>535822073Its up to russia to end this war as its the invading party that started all this. All we can do is to try to force them into negotiations.
Easy. Tell russia to go home
>>535823154Russia has its arguments for why it was the West who started this war.It's our word against theirs. Either way they're not willing to end the war on western terms. So the war goes on. No solution.
>>535823183tried it. Didn't work
>>535823314>It's our word against theirsNo it's not. Russia started this war purely for reasons of conquest. Even they know it. Once Putin falls off a balcony maybe the next leader will have the guts to surrender.
>>535821487russians can just go back to their own country tomorrow
>>535822128I don't think it's "fascist" for Ukraine to want to exist as an independent country>>535822316Maybe it will turn out like the Korean war with no official end. There'll just be a de facto border. We should still help Ukraine though. If we don't help Ukraine then Russia will take the whole of Ukraine and god knows what they will do to Ukrainians then.
>>535821487>What can we the people do to stop this?You know what.It's the rare case where nafo troons are right about something.
>>535821556Well too bad, you are stuck with them.You don't have a counter argument to 5000 nukes and infinite disposable human lives.Better think how to hand over not just Ukraine but Baltics and Poland too without being too rude, or they will come knocking for more.
>>535821487Mr. Putin (No I’m not making an account just to post this gem)
>>535821487usa left chatukraine and EU will surrenderatm war requires more dakka. russia already reached size of the army when they dont need more ground forces. next stage requires only increase in amount of dakka - more bombs, artillery, missiles and drones
>>5358214871) Crimea + Kherson + Zaporizhzhia + Donetsk + Luhansk become a Russo-Ukrainian Condominium much like this onehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_HebridesThat is military occupied by Russia but administrated by both 2) The Army of Ukraine retreats west of the Dnipro river. Ukraine east of the Dnipro river become a demilitarized zone3) Army of Ukraine capped at 100,000 men. Ukraine becomes a neutral country much like Austria after WW2.4) Immediate entry of Ukraine in the EU. Talks to admit Russia and Belarus in the EU begin soon thereafter5) Russia has to pay entirely the damage it has caused to civilian infrastructure6) Ukrainian drone operators are handed to Russia
So many shillsUkraine has been trying to take Crimea since 2014Admit its over and stop doing that.Zelensky is the only thing stopping peace
>>535824771Shut up Hans
>>535825147So if they get rid of zelensky the russians will go home?
>>535824771>4) Immediate entry of Ukraine in the EU. Talks to admit Russia and Belarus in the EU begin soon thereafterthere are political and economical requirements for joining eu that ukraine doesn't fit right now and russia never will
>>535821487Collective West stops giving money and weapons to Ukraine and pays us reparations for all our soldiers killed by said weapons. Sanctions are lifted. Ukraine falls in 2 weeks and the war is over.
>>535825895The loser doesn't get to dictate the terms. Sanctions will not be lifted until you surrender and pay reparations for this war you started.
>>535825764When there's a will, there's a way. Italy was admitted into the Union with stupid high debt and inflation, the Baltics and Pooland were slums in 2004, Malta never even had a real economy, Turkey met the requirements - but it wasn't admitted as Germans feared 80 million sandniggers in Shengen, half Cyprus is under military occupation by two non member countries - fuck, Germany and Italy and still fully under foreign military occupation, Bulgaria was, is, and will always be a shithole, so is Romania. And what about post-Franco Spain? And post-Salazar Portugal? Those were Latin America tier failed states. The EU has invested more money in Ukraine than it did in any other country of the Union. And there's only 20 million of them left. High time to cut the bullshit, nigger
>>535821524How do we start implementing this?
>>535825895whats the point of reparations when your mafia is going to steal all of it?
>>535825704Exactly. Recognize LPR/DPR as Russia and the war ends immediately
>>535827320Now you're adding things to it
Literally no side to this conflict wants peace, except maybe sometimes the Americans, and even that's only sometimes. Russia is not struggling enough to consider the humiliation and turmoil of backing down, Ukraine is not losing enough to consider ceding territory, Europe is just happy that Russians are dying. Trump wants the prestige of a peacedeal but the big boys in the USA support all war everywhere all the time because they make a fortune off it. Why would there be peace? Nobody wants it.
>>535821487Have you tried starting more wars?Didn't EU pretty much declare they were going to war with Russia by the end of the decade?
>>535827374Ok faggotZelensky's press secretary (who is now on ukraines kill list for saying Zelensky dies cocaine) said Zelensky is the only thing stopping peace.I aint adding shit.Your jewish masters days of being a dictator are almost over , cope and seethe
>>535821487We kick the jews out of our retarded governments
>>535825895No.
>Zelensky dies cocaine
>>535827729Bit defensive aincha?
>>535827729You can extend picrel for another three years. Nothing is going to happen. Don't be a fucking retard.
>>535821796nope, I mean capability to send 1000 missiles to moscow every 8 hours or something like that
>>535828065and get nuked in response? why are you such a stupid nigger?
>>535827878Funny how all you "american" faggots shilling for Zelensky speak Russian
>>535822140>g is Russia's fault. How exactly does that help stop the war? We can't win by sending weapons and money into Ukraine. It only prolongs and escalates the war. So the bleeding continues. And since Russia has more manpower, Ukraine will bleed out first.Are you retarded? if all western countries started to manufacture war material like its WW2 and training millions of ukranians there would be huge difference
>>535827857 Kek*doesAnother revalation from his press secretarys interview is Zelensky dodged the draft by hiding in his mansion in Russian occupied Crimea from 2014-2015 snorting massive lines of cocaine.
>>535828218So you want NATO to fill thier factories with patriotic white men willing to work cheap and sacrifice for thier country?Good luck with that.
>>535828169>NOOKNOOKNOOKMonke wont do shit because that would mean that even chinks would be nuking them or literally every single country on earth would start producing their own, including taiwan
>>535828499sure ahah Xi will nuke Russia over Ukraine
>>535828533literally any country would nuke any country just to keep status quo, well mayby not norks, israelis or pajeets but still.
>>535828216Blyat
>>535821487We can't, all sides have made it clear that the war will continue until the last hohol, and there's no point in anyone trying to bring it to an end
>>535828169> nukesChina forbids.
>russia fucks off back to its chink urals and leaves Europe aloneThere, war solved. t. Neutral observer
>>535826505you're never making the cut
>>535829198>chinks will save us! The smartest baltgroid
>>535829299You are not European, please shut the fuck up. Go make yourself useful, build a proper roof or something.
>>535821725>Because it seems to me Russia still has manpower advantageOf course it has considering NATO bussifies hohols and sent them to death so for every russian 40 hohols and mercs die
>>5358295976 million not one less
>>535822070>Ukraine doesn't have nukes you idiotOh, but we will have them now.
>>535821487Just open borders in Ukraine lol, literally one simple trick lmaoEnough of western tyranny
>>535821487Just have USA and CIA do "color revolutions" against EU and all the socdem governments in Europe that keep that bitch a live. Russia and USA aren't the problem, EU/UK old money are.
>>535829764>the brown muslim terrorist nation that invaded a white christian peaceful nation isn't the problem
>>535829299china will under no circumstances allow russia to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. Are you that ESL irish VPN nigger who outed himself as russian in the other thread? Probably.
>>535821487no one from EU is event talking with Russia. Nobody wants to be seen as soft, but they all are. Everyone hopes that Ukraine can keep going. It seems they are correct on that so far. Problem is that seemingly Russia can as well.How could EU even spin throwing Ukraine under the bus? It will look even more pathetic. USA can do that because its another continent and they can't even find it on a map anyway.So we wait until either of warring parties start to crack. But at that point the opposing party will have no incentive to slow down...it can easily spiral out of control. EU bet everything on Russia cracking first I don't see any hedged bets.
>>535829926Take out Zelensky since he is the one training and supplying Al Qaeda with drones would be a good start
>>535830633>How could EU even spin throwing Ukraine under the bus?They can't. Handing territory to Russia is the biggest no-no, because the post-WW2 world is built on the idea that taking land by force is the greatest crime a nation could commit. And that's a very fair principle, as it has allowed the continent to live almost 80 years of peace. For this reason, the EU won't recognize kike occupation over Syria and Palestine, or Russia Crimea, as that would open a Pandora's box too big. What if Germany does the same next, or Hungary, or Greece? The EU can't negotiate with someone expecting land under the threat of violence, and that's why we're still on a dead end
>>535831232>What if Germany does the same next, or Hungary, or Greece?EU is a block of losers, they cant do the same
>>535831063Taking out zelensky changes nothing
>>535821487>How do we achieve peace between our retarded governments?Regime change in Russia. A new regime would quickly and easily gain public support within Russia by declaring Ukraine to be Putin's mistake and discontinuing the war, as that discredits the previous regime for an obvious public favor and also people don't want to get sent to die in Ukraine for nothing so they will be happy to see the war end. Putin, so long as he remains in power, CANNOT allow the war in Ukraine to end in anything less than unambiguous victory for Russia, to do otherwise would be suicidal for him to do. So he has to keep this going, even though its obviously a mistake, because he is personally invested in its success. Ukraine can't stop the war without ceasing to exist. Europe doesn't want Russia to be emboldened to make further land grabs, so they would logically rather have Russia fighting in Ukraine for as long as possible compared to getting what they want and moving on. Better to bleed Russia dry on someone else's lawn to prevent a war that affects them directly. So the only one thats actually in a position to stop this war is Russia. They are the aggressor, they have the ability to give up and go home whenever they want. But they won't, can't, do it so long as Putin remains in power. Remove him and the math changes.
>>535821487juden raus
>>535829926>the brown muslim terrorist nation that invaded a white christian peaceful nation isn't the problemAre you talking about UK?
>>535821487Send all the EU shitskins and niggers to the front line.
>>535821487Both states becoming too weak to refuse concessions to the west. Ideally, we want both Russia and Ukraine in the EU before the end of the century, without any corrupt oligarchs in power.Current admin... Doesn't appear to see things that way.
>>535831862So you think the Russians dont know they are surrounded by little shit countries full of NATO missiles pointed at them?
>>535821487Options:a) give Ukraine's nukes backb) nuke russia AND CCP china.c) nuke all slavic nations because they keep starting wars. but if you do that you probably need to nuke CCP too or they'll get cranky and start wars too, or nuke all of asia in an autistical fit.war is peace and peace is war. the cold wars never ended, because silly USA and westerosi euros didn't finish the job. if they did; USSR,CCP china and kim-corea wouldn't have gotten nukes which complicates things in The Great Game. >>>/his/
>>535832439if you imply russians are all irrational, then there is no solution but the final solution. therefore hitler was right?
>>535832439>32 nations pointing missiles at you for literally no reason
>>535832713There is a reasonTo sell missilesNATO has been telling us for 80 years Russia is going to invade anyday now.You are just the latest group of faggot shills propagating this retarded propaganda.You will never be a woman
>>535832439And getting into a proxy war with Europe as the aggressor makes them safer how? When you already have 24 countries pointing missiles at you, does them getting to 25 magically satisfy their victory condition and the game ends?
>>535821487Europe could start bombing western part of Ukraine to end the war.
>>535832869Exactly what did Russia do to NATO?(USSR doesnt count)Faggot shill
>>535832856>NATO has been telling us for 80 years Russia is going to invade anyday now.>You are just the latest group of faggot shills propagating this retarded propaganda.I fail to see how its retarded propaganda considering we are talking about a war that started with Russia invading. Thats like arguing with the ambulance that you don't need a bandage because blood loss is a psyop, you'll be fine there's nothing leaking out of you stop car you can get out and walk you're fine just a little light headed.
>>535833001>a war that started with Russia invadingthis sentence is a litmus test for retards. If you write it, you are a retard
>>535833001How did Russia start a war with NATO?Retard faggot?If you mean the 2022 conflict with ukraine that started on Feb 19th 2022 when Zelensky started shelling Donbas again.Maybe stop killing Russians and they will leave you alone.
>>535832856Most of those countries have had to fight for independence from russia. They're pretty justified in expecting russia to invade again.
>>535831232EU did that in Yugoslavia/Serbia with zero problems though
>>535833384That was ukraine invading them tooRussia is not the USSRTranny faggot shillYou will never be a woman
>>535833384they didn't fight. Balkans fought after yugoslavia fell. USSR didn't fight when countries seceded, that's why they were able to gain independence in the first place. My father is that "freedom" fighter of 1990. I asked him when I was kid what was the scariest thing about that night, he said he heard a tank shoot once. In total around 10 people died who jumped in front of tanks in a crowd.
>>535833416That was for DEMOCRACY maybe youve heard of it?
>>535821556Maybe don’t stage thousands of combat veteran soldiers for invasion while being a lying rat kike and moving heavy armor and artillery into the no heavy weapons exclusion zone agreed to in Minsk II???
>>535833708also this, this is just pure orwellian bullshit, with everything to the east of our territory being enemies. The moment you conquer them, they are your allies and the real enemy was further east. If you don't understand this you are a retard. Ukraine was always big part of USSR and ukrainians dominated leadership.
>>535821679Kek mutts are retarded, that never happened.>>535823314Russia has it's reasons why nothing is ever their fault, like how a wife beater blames his wife.>>535833198There never was a ceasefire, back then I was a Russia supporter and the rebels never received such an order.
>>535821487TZDTHDTKDliterally THAT simple
>>535833198According to OSCE reports and independent monitoring, Russian-backed separatists were the first to move heavy weapons back into the prohibited areas along the contact line in eastern Ukraine. This began as early as January 2022, with significant escalations observed in February 2022-immediately preceding Russia's large-scale invasion of Ukraine.OSCE SMM daily reports from this period documented numerous instances of howitzers, multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), and tanks being redeployed by separatist forces into areas where their presence was strictly forbidden under the Minsk agreements. These movements were often accompanied by increased ceasefire violations, including shelling directed at Ukrainian positions.While Ukrainian forces also maintained military presence near the contact line, OSCE observations suggest that it was the Russian-backed side that initiated large-scale redeployment of heavy weaponry into prohibited zones. This buildup contributed to heightened tensions and ultimately preceded Russia's full-scale military assault on Ukraine on February 24, 2022.
>>535834925You are a lying cunt that will say anything.So why were ukrainians in that zone?Why did Zelensky activate 500,000 reservists in April of 2021 and deploy them to the front?
>>535835072>Why did Zelensky activate 500,000 reservists in April of 2021 and deploy them to the front?Seems prudent in light of the invasion
indiscriminately kill all the jewsdeport all jew worshippers to their holey land to go live with their brown gods
>>535835204By that logic he should have just taken the sweet 2022 peace deal. He would have saved 15% of his territory and 1.5 million lives. Plus stopped 15 million people from fleeing the country.
>>535821487I think we give Russians what they want, half of Ukraine, we go back to trading and everyone is better off, except Ukrainians but what can you do.
>>535833416No, that's different. That war took place within the established borders of a post WW2 nation, socialist Yugoslavia. If Austria had tried to take back Carniola or if Italy had tried to take back Istria with force, it would have been a VERY bad crisis for the European community. If Russia had invaded Ukraine in 1994, you could argue we would have seen a much lighter response. But by 2014 it was already way too late
