How does that work? lol
>>535839504idk, you're the one who has a book about it
>>535839504They wuz kangz.
its a subversive right-wing political bait type of book. they do this to us all of the time. "academics". they pretend to be leftists but they're racebaiting and pushing a rightwing agenda. in the opening dedication to the book he openly blames his editors and everyone but himself for any spelling errors or factual mistakes he might make. i mean, the whole thing is part and parcel to the usual CIA or billionaire plan of "pretending to be leftists and then making them look bad". The capitalist exploited Africa, and that is our view as leftists. When they frame it as "Europeans did this" then everyone feels attacked. And the capitalist is exploiting every 1 of us, too. No matter what creed or color we are.
They developed the country just enough to extract resources and keep the people submissive
When you go there and kill half the population then enslave the rest and pillage their resources, then you are forced to leave but not without drawing shitty borders that cause perpetual conflict. That's how.
>>535839745Why didn't Africans, in their 300,000 years of living in Africa, draw their own borders and put their plentiful resources and strategic location on the map to good use before colonialism?
>>535839717>When they frame it as "Europeans did this" then everyone feels attacked. And the capitalist is exploiting every 1 of us, too. No matter what creed or color we are.I can see your point
>>535839928that is what happened. yes. in the west "the culture wars" were created to keep the white public distracted and voting for republicans, who represent billionaires. its not an attack on white people for me to say this, its just that we (i am white) were the ones who were targeted for the manufacturing of consent.
>>535839504>be Europeans>build dozens of cities>let Africans live in them and try to teach them to run everything>African either never paid attention, didn't understand, or just didn't care>end up leaving to and Africans take over>cities start to decayhmmm.... Also >How Europe Underdeveloped Africais the White Man's burden nonsense. Why is it Europe's responsibility to build up civilization for everyone else? Can't they do it themselves?
>>535839735That was the whole point of what they were trying to do.And they succeeded. But now that the West is developed, it's now the responsibility of the West to develop them to an equal standard of living. Kind of like a weird abusive responsibility, where one side manipulated, raped, killed, stole everything from the other, built themselves up, then now has to make up for it by making it better for their victims.
>>535840091Funny how the first part of your post fits America like a glove if you replace leaving with dying-out.
>>535839504nigger
>>535840091no one has a responsibility to build a civilization for another person. but you do have a responsibility not to rape and plunder their entire civilization. especially not for the profit of only a small handful of billionaires.once more i stress that our view on the left is that this was done by "capitalists" and not "europeans" or "white people". and books like the one OP posted are CIA propaganda / misinformation / psyops intended to subvert the left by making people think we are against white people
>>535839504Nigger cope.
>>535839504>How does that work? lolYeah its the same as American niggers coping that they are poor and violent now because the United States "under invested in them" and they were "red lined". Its like LMAO think about what you are actually saying when you use that as an argument retard.You have to understand that below a certain IQ its literally not possible to properly conceptualize and analyze things, the tools simply do not exist with some people.
>>535839504>you didn't built enough mineshafts
you ***NEED*** to read this first
>>535839504The few industries they have can't compete in price with literally free handouts from Europe so they go out of business and become dependent on GIBS even harder. That's the modern situation and back then their only industry was slave trade and Europeans stopped slavery destroying their only business they had. Everything else is WE WUZZIN nonsense.
>>535839717Interesting. Good take.
>>535839717You are making the exact same argument as the author of the book LMAO."We so retarded, dey made us look retarded"Galactic levels of irony.
>>535839504Gave them food and technology which resulted in them buttfucking each other on an even greater scale all while becoming massively overpopulated.>in other words the jungle went from jungle to dystopian shithole because they didn't and still don't have the skills to handle civilization
>>535839504Should've left them as Muslims
>>535841190Then teach them nigga.
>>535839745>When you go there and kill half the population then enslave the rest and pillage their resourcesI realise this is shit bait but you should take a look at a calendar some time.>When you go there and kill half the populationThat's late 19th century shit.>enslave the resta) never happened b) they've been enslaving each other for a million years c) Europeans only became involved in the 16th and 17th century>pillage their resourcesThen why are former colonies not inhabited by Africans perfectly fine today?In other words the problem is niggers.
>>535839504Ask Grok for a chapter by chapter summary?
>>535841283They tried to do just that.>the result was less than stellarNow what? Just try teach them again and again?You cannot teach the unwilling or incapable. Is it even ethical to teach someone things he doesn't want to learn?>it's notIn other words trying to teach them was part of the mistake.Not a coincidence this shit came to a head during and after the Enlightenment, when people were conned into believing all humans are equal.
>>535840963No. I'm not making the same argument as the author of the book. Very explicitly. Very clearly and obviously.
>>535839853>draw their own borders>strategic location >good useAll Judeo-Masonic concepts.
>>535841190They didn't wanted nor needed to be civilized. You forced them that shit on them.
>>535842346Yes, in a manner of speaking, that's precisely what I mean.Of course a minority of them wanted to become civilized, but not the bulk of the population.That's where today shit like Boko Haram comes from.
>>535840262>our view on the left Your view, maybe. You don't speak for millions of other leftists who are quite happy pinning the blame on regular Whites and extracting 'reparations' from them.
>>535839616Fpbp
>>535842346Although I have to add:Global colonialism wasn't really a choice but an unavoidable runaway consequence, and this holds true today, to an extent (spheres of influence).Say you are a massive empire, superpower of sorts, ruling mainly suitable and somewhat willing people.But another empire starts to expand beyond that, acquiring colonies and growing in strength, shifting the balance of power in their favor.Suddenly you are forced to keep pace with them. Either you also colonise, grab some countries, or they'll all be taken by those other dudes, which will cause problems for you.At that point it turns into a sort of race, to colonise countries before your enemies do, and also fighting about colonies.That is why the world ended up more or less divided between the British, Spanish and Portuguese, with France, Germany and the USA playing a lesser role.Later on this factored into the Cold War, where superpowers were consolidated into two camps, Capitalist and Communist, competing for international influence.
>>535839504GIBS ME DAT>>535840186>it's now the responsibility of the West to develop them to an equal standard of livingYou wanted the colonists out so they left. Deal with the consequences.
>>535839504Dey WUZ kangs n sheet."Wuz" is the past tense of "iz." See the Europeans came down there and stole the utopia that "wuz" Africa.
>>535842997>British, Spanish and Portuguese, with France, Germany and the USA playing a lesser roleSorry, let's not forget about the Dutch.Don't ask me how they managed to pull it off; and I guess Russia also counts.
>>535839717>this level of copeWhat about this book?Pic relatedIf a culture can dominate another, isnt the the one getting dominated the lesser?If the Africans were so abused by Europeans, doesnt that mean they deserved it by being less than? Like their cultures just werent good enough to prevent others from coming in and doing as they see fit?
>>535843152It's far worse than this. We even stole their magic powers.In truth the conflict began in the distant future, when Wakanda became the dominant world power. The spawn of Yakub could not let this stand and travelled back in time to stop Wakanda from ever arising.
Subsaharan Africans didn't even know they had islands off their coast. Whites discovered them.
>>535840262>but you do have a responsibility not to rape and plunder their entire civilizationWhere is the civilization in sub-saharan Africa before Europeans? You mean the mudhuts of the Mali and the fantasies about its "wealth" with the source being some legend recorded by an Arab scholar in the Roads&Kingdoms genre decades after the alleged event?>was done by "capitalists"We on the right just call them what they are: Jews. We don't need the nomenclature invented by a mid-19th century Jew. >our view on the left> we are against white peopleNigger... You literally vote for open borders and in line with Jews on many issues. Anti-nationalism and internationalism is a foundation of leftist politics.
>>535839853It was 300k years of tribal gibs me dat like in Detroit currently.
>>535843383Desu it's fucking nuts Madagascar was originally colonised by South-East Asians.
>>535842656Boko Haram is run by Mossad.
>>535840262>one has a responsibilitySays who? The weak should fear the strong. The weak get taken. Thats natural law. Its evolution. Where are you getting this moral appeal for responsibility?
>>535839504African kingdoms became rich by slavery alone. When the slave trade was ended by the British, it became impossible for the Africans to sustain their own wealth. The premise of the book is correct, in that it is the fault of Europeans for impoverishing the Africans. Without the abolition of slavery, the Neguses would still exist & be as wealthy as ever.
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>>535843710Maybe not run, because I think a pale-skinned hooknose would stand out a little too much, but they definitely manipulate it.
>>535840469zebras.
>>535842285>borders are a juedo Masonic conceptYeah, Hadrian built a wall across an entire island to draw a border with the picts, and was renowned for his love of the isrealites, totally.
>>535839504Jews are just punishment for humanity and Poland is next.
>>535842997Almost like a game, a great game, you could call it
>>535843810Damn, rip von coonwinkle has been sleeping that whole time?
>>535839504Europe stole prosperity from Africa. They would have wakanda now if whites hadn't interfered.
>>535839717>its a subversive right-wing political bait type of book.That's some pretty strong cope nigger. Why are you in the US when you could be in Africa building your paradise?
>>535839745French Jews did that.All Euro flags in Africa are just cover for Jewish crime orgs. That's why most African diamonds are cut in Israel.
>>535843810Theme music:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGWQfK-6DYUnrelated but cool song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDFtBiaQysw
>>535839928>capitalist is exploiting every 1 of us(((capitalist)))Free market is good.Corrupt 'Rent Seeking' is bad. We don’t hate businessmen. We hate rent seeking CEO’s. Rent-seeking refers to the practice of individuals or groups using their resources to obtain economic benefits from others without reciprocating any benefits to society. It involves using political influence, lobbying, or other means to capture a share of existing wealth rather than creating new wealth through productive economic activities. Rent-seeking is increasing one's wealth without generating any more wealth. It is a term used in economics to describe situations in which a person or organization tries to improve its riches at the expense of society. It is financial gain obtained by resource management that is cunning or manipulative. For example, rent seekers may benefit in a market through attempts to capture regulatory authorities. It will help them obtain a coercive monopoly while the organization's uncorrupt rivals may suffer. Rent-seeking is the act of growing one's existing wealth by manipulating the social or political environment without creating new wealth. Rent-seeking activities have negative effects on the rest of society. They result in reduced economic efficiency through misallocation of resources, stifled competition, reduced wealth creation, lost government revenue, heightened income inequality, risk of growing corruption and cronyism, decreased public trust in institutions, and potential national decline. Successful capture of regulatory agencies (if any) to gain a coercive monopoly can result in advantages for rent-seekers in a market while imposing disadvantages on their uncorrupt competitors. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking https://www.britannica.com/money/rent-seeking
>>535843886kek, I understood this reference. Sadly i have and read the book
>>535842997That's a problem that the Romans created. There are empires and kingdoms that didn't relied on constant warfare.
>>535843847There are plenty of Black Jews to go around.
>>535843219ANAG
>>535843810>would you rather dance around a fire and have sex>or would you rather work to death
>>535843895Romans loved dem slaves and military glory. The didn't came up with endless excuses to justify their conquests.
Africa developed 1000 times more under the couple of centuries of European rule than during the 200.000 years before....but I guess it was still not enough, sorreeee.
>>535844928You gotta account for the diseases, cannibalism, slavery and starvation though.Although I have to admit those originally weren't even that bad. Disease epidemics and starvation are mainly a population density issue, with a small and spread out population of hunter-gatherers it rarely becomes a huge problem, or is self-correcting.Shit like the Black Death all stems from the agricultural revolution,and conflcits also are limited in scope as long as it's a tribal issue instead of national one.
>>535839735sounds based
>>535839735Sounds like America.
>>535844767>There are empires and kingdoms that didn't relied on constant warfare.Are there really? In some places it was more infrequent, without doubt, but it seems to be a bit of an universal problem, even in SEA.The only way to forestall it somewhat is to not have empires or nations at all, like Africans, Abos and American injuns to a degree (so excluding Mesoamericans), but those also existed in a more or less constant state of low-level tribal conflict, like fucking chimpanses.
>>535839504Africans were meant to be tribals ruled by strong authority and force. They cannot benefit from human technology long term, and it will only artificially disrupt their natural state - being in a loincloth chanting around a fire while an old man with a bone through his nose speaks in hallucinogenic nonsense so they'll all be blessed by the spirits. Their rulebreakers were meant to be beaten half to death over petty crimes, not put in jail to reflect. That doesn't work for them.In a sense, these west hating ssri chugging retard progressives are right. The wealth of Africa was stolen, but it wasn't gold, resources, labor, or anything. It was tribal tradition that we broke, trying to help them with a better life. Tradition was their wealth, and now they wander around in scraps of our civilization with no purpose but to wait for the next handout. They can't maintain, improve, replicate, or even properly use the civilization we tried to give them. But even our scraps are a more easy life than what they had before, and empowered every empty headed monkey to stand about equal as their own petty chief. They can't go back to being tribals, even if it would bring back stability to their people. Intertribal wars will come back, sure, but within a tribe they'd have a more fulfilling life.
>>535845318Yes. Most of those problems are tied to civilization. A tribe can just move around to seek for food and there are no constant transmission of diseases. Natives were more worried about getting ambushed by a big cat at night.The Aztecs died out of plague precisely because they had a bit trade network.
>>535839504They hobbled the ancient Kangz of Sub-Sahara when the White man came out of the caves and used their stone clubs to steal all their pyramids and move them North of the desert so the Kangz couldn't reach them with their melanin powers.
>>535839717You're literally the only Leftist I've ever heard, out of thousands of voices ranging from prominent media people to university students, who said it's the handful of rich who did this, not the white people (same for slavery, of course). I don't believe for a second that you hold anything other than a fringe 0.01% view on the Left, otherwise there would be people saying it and even people on the right would be using those videos and articles to dunk on the rest of the Left.So, while I salute what you say, I don't think you are at all representative of Leftwing thought or philosophy.
>>535840469this dude is a literal retard
>>535846216And all this because of their own high moral standards, allowing Yakub's creations into their midst, expecting the same level of humanity from them, only to be savagely betrayed when they hijacked the pyramid UFO and bombed proto-Wakanda back into the stone age from orbit, destroying the tree of life and turning Africa into a desert in the process.
>>535847157Did he even claim to be a leftist anywhere?It's very difficult to be both correct and a leftist.Being opposed to capitalist exploitation, while nominally leftist, doesn't make you a leftist as such.It's the solution to that problem you imagine which may make you a leftist, like egalitarian collectivism, which is stupid and wrong.
>>535839717capitalists dindu nuffin wrong, if they didn't want to be exploited by accepting sovereign debt in exchange for one sided trade deals that wipe out local production (see cheap "aid" wiping out the demand for local industries) they wouldn't have signed it
>>535839504Basically this but nogs instead of birds.
>>535839504>>535839735>>535839745European rule over Africa lasted for about 80 years between the 1880s and the 1960s.There is only so much you can do in 80 years....Still did more to develop the continent in 80 years than negroes did in the thousands of years before
>>535847800Not that capitalism actually has anything to do with negro slavery. Those were mercantilist days, and this form of slavery wasn't always terribly productive, being employed almost exclusively to accomplish extremely menial work to reduce the price of ressources produced, like minerals, rubber or cotton, which in capitalism was instead solved by various scientific means, like mechanisation and chemistry.Capitalism in turn has its own mode of slavery.
>>535839717the capitalists improved africaafrica is objectively better off now than it would have otherwise beenyes this also enriched the capitalistsits not zero sum, everybody can actually benefit. you can say 'i think everyone should benefit equally' and sure, i guess we can debate this, but to claim that capitalism or the west has ever actually done anything but elevate the shitholes it has colonized/exploited is simply disingenuous>>535839745they were already killing and enslaving each other and were not making use of those resources. In return they get some western tech and to this day we try to save them from their own retardation during ebola outbreaks despite their constant efforts to just die.
>>535847935Worst of all: I suspect the population of Africans actually increased significantly during that time, and set the stage for further unsustainable increases afterwards.Now while this is bad, a crime against humanity, to allow Africans to proliferate, exporting them all over the globe in the centuries prior may have been even worse; any region that had Africans imported suffered greatly.Those are the real crimes of the white man:>exporting Africans to places outside of Africa>enabling population growth in AfricaEverything else pales in comparison.
>>535839504Africa might as well be another planet. Africa is so geographically isolated. If you're in the middle of Africa you have to trek through months of jungle or desert without any real roads, just some bullshit dirt ones if you're lucky. All the rivers in Africa EXCEPT THE NILE are too shallow for anything much bigger than a canoe. So why build a boat with no natural harbors? Nobody there in ancient times built a bunch of artificial ports for their trading fleets they never had.Now in modern times you have modern concrete-made ports (who needs geography?) but a new obstacle has risen up and it's the 20 million people gathered around every port which is still the only contact with Western Civilization aka Civilization. Those 20 million people (which is a figure enough close to every coastal population center in Africa) still go hacking up monkeys in open-air markets, and eat it cooked as "bushmeat."Africa is still isolated. Its interior largely is self-sufficient without power, water, electricity, roads, or even large-scale trading. The jungle provides, white man. The mission therefore with any colonial effort is to get in, extract resources they aren't using, and get out. Now it's oil, and Shell runs places like Niger.
>>535842346That's false.They always wanted the superior standards of living brought by Europe.The early colonial towns always saw massive immigration of negroes from the neighbouring independent kangzdoms.The independent kingdoms themselves traded with whitey the only thing they were able to produce (slaves) in attempt to obtain European goods such as clothing, umbrellas, guns...etc.They never wanted to live like apes naked in primitive huts, it was merely a side effect of their unability to do better.That's why they didn't go back to that lifestyle after colonialism ended.
>>535848278>Everything else pales in comparison.Besides outright self-destructive things maybe, like allowing brownoids into their nations or supporting progressive ideologies.
What the white man did in Africa was promote one species (niggers), whose overpopulation is now leading to the extinction of other species (elephants, rhinos, etc.)We disrupted the ecosystem there. When a species become invasive, you can give permits to farmer to cull it. Alas, this is considered politically incorrect nowadays.
>>535847542Well, he seems to be complaining that there is an organised attempt to make Leftists look bad, so I naturally assumed he was a Leftist. Seems like a logical conclusion, but maybe you're right and he's something else, like a Rightwing person who wishes to defend Leftism and fight back against any unfavourable portrayal of it proponents.
>>535848278Yeah colonizing Africa was indeed a shitty idea and doomed EuropeBut the stupid claim that it's the reason behind Africa's civilizational failure is just ridiculous revisionism
>>535848495I don't think that's quite true and has to be evaluated within context.Like: how much of that urbanisation was simply a product of white-ebaled increases in food supply?How much did African's "standards of living" actually increase?You should account for the reality; like what Europeans brought to Africa to trade for slaves, or trade in general.>useless stupid baubles and means of destructionBeads, for instance, literal fucking glass beads, or mirrors.>negros loved that shitAlso alcohol and weapons.>that is what the negro craved>drugs, violence and stupid trinkets
>>535845281There were no "centuries" of European rule.Over 90% of the continent spent less than 80 years under European rule.This misconception about the dates of colonial rule in Africa is what fuels this revisionist meme idea that it's the reason Africa is a shithole.
>>535839717>Leftist create mass line for decades>Normal people begin to see through the retardation>Leftists: "actually, that was the racist right wingers that said colonialism bad."
>>535848701Oh well, now that you mention it.. that makes sense. Although we'd still need to understand his definition of leftism.There are some Marxists who are entirely rational, but naturally they don't embody the typical picture of a leftist and don't play Marxism by the book (because it has proven itself to have significant flaws).In fact modern leftists would call the OG commies fascists.>>535848708Could have made a proper effort to purge and control the negros.No need to exterminate them but well.. I wouldn't exactly complain about that either.>shit happensSame with abos. Is there literally ANYONE who would genuinely lament if Abos had been rendered extinct?There really aren't many such groups, where one has to rationally accept that getting rid of them totally would have been a net benefit, or at least justifyable.
>>535839504> why does Europe "develop" afrtica.tl;dr 'whitemans burden' is the figleaf for enslaving/pillaging africa.1. Europe raped Africa. - resource extraction.- educated them into slave labour- built / or destabilized infrastructure to cultivate 'collaborator ruling class'.2. "Liberal" Europe wants 'honest robbery' and figleaf it as 'developing them'.- and we still did a half-assed job on that.
>>535843029They're not fully out though, still have their grips. It's more a responsibility for the West to get them an equal standard of living when you look at it this way.
>>535849194>- resource extraction.Resources discovered by Europeans and made useful by European technologyYou can't steal something that isn't owned>- educated them into slave labourAfrica had slavery since prehistory and was the world capital of slavery until evil whitey forced them to abolish it>"naaah but being a literal slave is better than being a wagecuck hurr hurr"Okay schizo>- built / or destabilized infrastructure to cultivate 'collaborator ruling class'.There was no local infastructure to "distabilize" in the first place unless you count neolithic huts as such
>>535849194The White Man's Burden was at best a fad and a christcuck cope.There are components of truth to it, but also errors and delusion, and the outcome was generally mixed, some good, some bad.First of all you should acknowledge that the concept wasn't originally aimed at Africa; people acknowledged that Africa was a basket case.In the USA this was originally about the Phillipines; and in that case it also was bullshit, since they were capable of managing their own affairs at that time, as demonstrated in the years long war their fought to defend themselves from US imperialism. Contentious whether it ultimately benefitted them.But there were people worthy of the effort, to "free them from barbarism"; see for instance who expunged slavery globally (with a reasonable level of success):>it was the motherfucking British, yikesWith some help from other European powers (incl. the USA at the time).But well.. in some cases, where civilizing them wasn't possible, their extermination should probably have been completed as part of this burden, most prominently in Australia.On the other hand some even were eager to modernize, when they came into contant with European civilization, like Japan or China. It wasn't forced on them exactly; instead they realized it was based, which however doesn't mean the West didn't also cause problems for them, or that it was partly a defensive reaction.>how the fuck do you fight fucking coal powered steam engined ships made from iron and armed with rifled cannons?!?!Just one way, really.And there's no argument that many aspects of western Science benefitted humanity - although it also caused problems, like overpopulation. Sometimes they did it wrong.>like giving food/medicine to AfricansIt's also questionable whether the West could have kept all those things to themselves long-term. Probably not quite. Some would have stolen it.>some did in fact steal itChina, I'm looking at you.
>>535842881Go offline. Most well read people think this. Online discourse is retarded righr vs retarded left, both taking more and more extreme stances to not look like the other party Most people are not active on social media. Loud voices exploit those retards, you can even become president if you do(both sides)Your strong right wing voices dont believe what they say, but they believe you do and thats how they get rich and the left works the same.You are not a special person, you are just as much part of the game as the people you point fingers at
>>535839504Africa has resources, west needs them. It is in their best interest for africans to spend as little as possible, so west can exploit the biggest amount, so they systemically underdevelop them. Of course, niggers being retarded helps.P.S.When they say west underdevelops africa, they don't mean slavs, we are niggers of europe in english,scandinavian, and american eyes. And they aren't that wrong.But barbarians will eventualy kill and rape the western scum, i mourn i will not live to see it.
>>535839504It's simple: you had the same problem with colonial empires that everybody else had, like the Asians, but them you keep blaming colonialism for your own failures for generations, even when it's obvious that the Asians still got ahead regardless.
>>535839504>How does that work? lolThey left
>>535850423It's partly a matter of definition, and not just on the left.Does a delusional hyperprogressive troon belong into the same category as an intellectual capitalist critic?For sake of simplification: morons should always be put into their own group: Morons.It doesn't matter what a moron "believes", because he doesn't have the mental capacity to actually believe anything, just parrot shit that was shat into his skull.
>>535850484>And they aren't that wrong.No, that's bullshit. At best it's a superficial veneer.That Brit faggot is no less evil or psychopathic or whatever, he just hides it under a layer of sophistication and rationalisation.
>>535839745How did they kill/pillage/enslave them to begin with unless they were under developed from the start?This idea that Africa is a shithole because of colonialism is laughable, the only progress or culture in Africa is actually FROM colonialism, niggers didn't even invent the wheel by the time Europeans sailed there.
