Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?
China doesn't make better anything, that's why all their products are cheap and only compete on the basis of price. It's a hallmark of the middle income trap.
>>535840789China is basically the closest thing today to a fascist state (in a good way) when you think about it
For gaming? 0%, the hardest part of making a gaming GPU is maintaining drivers for compatibility with every game ever made. Even Intel can barely get that straight, random ass Chinese firms don't stand a chance.For AI and professional usage, they have a chance though.
>>535840852Your apple can't even produce their pwn phones without china, as only china has the technology to do it. You want to tell that iphone is obsolete? Name a single thing manufactures in the usa (except for 5nm chips and planes) that is better
gpu? sorry best i can do is jeet poo
>>535840852They make better consumer grade goods than we do
>>535840789>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?0%
>>535840789Reading these fanboi tweets is so fucking gayLiterally who types up or prompts up such gay conjecture and faggotry??
>>535841246>Your apple can't even produce their pwn phones without china, as only china has the technology to do it.Lmao. Imagine believing this. Why does China make phones for apple then instead of just make their own?>>535841304>They make better consumer grade goods than we doNo they don't fellow American poster from America.
damn, 30,000 salesthat's 1 in every 47,000 people in chinathey must be really popularNOT
>>535840852You are just in denial because you are used to being sold overpriced mediocre products made in China but with an American brand stamped on them.By the way, the same overpricing applies to your defense industry, which is why you can't crush Iran notwithstanding your expensive military hardware.Higher price doesn't necessarily mean a better product; more often it means you are being scammed.
>>535840789Their first iteration is nearly on par. The answer is: Yes, bigly.
>>535840906What is fascism?A French philosopher said that every language is fascist
>>535841451>you are used to being sold overpriced mediocre products made in China but with an American brand stamped on themWhy though? Why can't China sell their own brands? Why do they make things for cheap so that American companies can profit be reselling them under their own brand? Why finance their enemy in this way?
>>535841372>Why does China make phones for apple then instead of just make their own?Because the US outlawed Huawei since the Americans didn't like the competition.Xiaomi is still selling a lot of decent smartphones at low prices though.
>>535841372China actually makes more affordable smart phones than Apple and they don't come with kike backdoors.
>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?Really fucking high,they already make better cars,phones,ai and the list goes on,so why wouldn't they make good gpu's then Nvidia. The Chinese century is here lads!
>>535841562>Because the US outlawed Huawei since the Americans didn't like the competition.No it didn't dumb Prato chink.>Xiaomi is still selling a lot of decent smartphones at low prices though.Great, so why does China make phones for apple then instead of just make their own?>>535841581>China actually makes more affordable smart phones than AppleI know. Chinese products are always cheaper because they have to be, just like I said: they can only compete on the basis of price.>>535841594Lmao
>>5358407890% chance this happens. They don't have the magic of ASML
>>535840789iirc it was equivalent to 3060 in terms of performance, china could sell it to us thirdies they just need to cut the price down by 70%
>>535840936Are you retarded? Do you not know what direct x or Vulcan is?
>>535841561They are getting there.BYD makes good electric cars that cost a fraction of a Tesla.The EU is so scared of high-quality and cheap Chinese products that we have tariffs to keep Chinese electric vehicles out of our market.Pretty funny how the EU is always preaching about the "green energy transition" but then they don't want the best available green tech simply because it's made in China.At any rate, China is slowly building up its own brands.Even in the fashion and luxury industries.
>>535841372>No they don't fellow American poster from America.Proofs?
>>535841372For the same reason ibm has outsorced all laptop production to lenovo. Later lenovo bought thinkpad.It's just that now apple is overvalued. But as soon as it goes bankrupt, china will buy is.China does it with all industries. Recently a chinese robot vacuum cleaner manufacturer bought irobot. And yea, it's them who were producing all those irobots. China slowly does it to every sector.
>>535841765>BYD makes good electric cars that cost a fraction of a Tesla.Why must they cost a fraction of a Tesla though? Why must I keep repeating the same question?
>>535841658>No it didn't dumb Prato chink.https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47012I see you are waging war against reality itself.Enjoy your "alternative facts".
>>535840789It’ll be a decade
>>535841806Can't prove a negative fool. US banned Huawei from cell tower and government equipment, not Huawei phones. Those are totally legal in the US.>>535841822Right but why do the chinks make a phone and sell it to apple for $100 so apple can them mark it up to $700? Why don't the chinks just sell their own and cut apple out?>>535841887Already explained this above angry ricecel
>>535841561Bacause they have been far behind the west. To catch up they first invite western brands to set up the production. That production heavily relies on local companies, who get access to the technology and develope their own tech.For example lot's of wester tv brands outsorced tv production to china. Now china has their own tv brands that in recent years got very popular even in the west. They do it for all sectors. Look up any gadget and you will find chinese brands in top 10 on amazon.
>>535840789Real problem is software support.Even if the hardware is 10 times better than a 5090 the chance your favorite game supports the card is 0.0%This also applies to AI software, although it is possible China can produce alternative software to train and run AI models on their hardware.This is actually the biggest threat to Nvidia.
>>535841962>Bacause they have been far behind the west.Why? I thought they're the master race or something? Why are they still catching up?
>>535840789Well they are shit, I think someone actually built a PC with Chinkshit parts, couldn’t get 15 stable FPS. Pieces of shit just like their phones, it’s been 10 years now and they are still shit.
>>535840789>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?>30k reservations>It doesnt need to be the best it just needs to shipHOLLLLLLYYYYYYY shit bro, this is interplanetary levels of cope. Remember back 10yrs ago when AMD hardware and hardware drivers were absolute dog shit? Now think 2 orders of magnitude worse than that and that will be your ownership experience buying a Chinese GPU.
>>535841658Chinese products are always cheaper because China knows how to do business.I can buy an iPhone knock-off from China that works just the same for a fraction of the price.You have no future on this planet.China is expanding it's cheap EV market to Europe while few people can still afford a Tesla.By the way, have you seen the CAR made by Huawei? It's smarter than your entire population put together. Not that it's some great achievement to surpass a bunch of NIGGERS!
>>535841956>I have no proofs$7000 has been deposited to your account
>>535841823Because Tesla is overcharging you.
>>535840852nigger the phone you're posting from is made in china kikes lost. we lost
>>535842032>Chinese products are always cheaper because China knows how to do business.Yeah, businesses are all about selling their products for less when they could sell them for more lmao.>>535842070u mad>>535842086>Because Tesla is overcharging you.Why are they able to? Why are no Chinese brands able to?>>535842112I'm not phoneposting fellow American from America.
>>535840936That is only because GPUs are shitty black boxes. If any company releases a fully documented gpu then they won't need to support every game in existence with some shitty over-complex bullshit driver. People would do it for them. All is needed is to provide low-level GPU specific APIs and let the users write their own game specific drivers.
>>535842112>kikes lost.You really have to be retarded to believe this.Kikes keep winning while you keep losing.
>>535842032>iPhone knock-off from China that works just the same Nope, lol no. Those chinky phones are always stuttering pieces of shit, that’s why every rich Chinese owns an iPhone
>>535840852I see you are still stuck in Stage 1, hurry up, anons here have already moved on.
>>535841956>Already explained this above angry ricecelHuawei phones are legal in the US but owing to trade restrictions they don't have access to the Play Store and other Google services.Therefore, China will first have to build an alternative to Google and then Huawei phones will become popular again.
>>535840852>China doesn't make better anythingChinese quality and availability eclipses the rest of the world. What consumer good does America make better than China, other than NVidia's graphics cards?>>535841372>Why does China make phones for apple then instead of just make their own?China makes both. America makes neither.>>535841561>Why can't China sell their own brands?China does have their own brands. You aren't familiar with them because we aren't allowed to buy them. For a fun time, look up new car prices internationally. A new car basically anywhere else on Earth costs less than a used 10yo car in the US, and has better mileage and safety. It's not just China that this is true of. You're actually stuck in the 60s if you think America is a manufacturing giant, let alone a quality name.
>>535841823>Why must they cost a fraction of a Tesla though?You have it backwards. The question isn't "Why is China so much cheaper than the US" but rather "Why is America so much more expensive than the entire rest of the world?" And the answer is that everything in America is layers of grift. Tesla's batteries are made by China.
>>535842160>Why are they able to?Because American consumers are dumb.>Why are no Chinese brands able to?Because they want steal market share from greedy American corporations by undercutting them.
>>535842160Why would someone make his product less accessible by making it unaffordable?Your MIGA hat and your Israel flag are made in China. I never saw a product Made in the U.S.A. since I was a child.Name one product that anyone needs from you.Even our arms procurements are lagging despite the high prices we paid in advance.
>>535842216Ok, if you say so it must be true. Now convince people to buy iPhone without banning Chinese phones from your market.The writing is on the wall but it's cursive and niggers can't read cursive.
>>535840789Chona won't make gpus that beat ours in performance at the bleeding edge. My guess is that they focus on the middle gpu market, establish a foothold, make money, gain experience woth driver support, then eventually transition into the upper tiers of gpus. There's no real rush since performance and the demanding vidya has been mostly stagnant, especially for 1080p. Best they hold off on that ai mental illness that took hold of Nvidia
China sucks clearly. Only worthless nations can domestically manufacture GPUs, like Taiwan
>>535842389> Why would someone make his product less accessible by making it unaffordable?Status
>>535842249flag checks out>>535842266>Huawei phones are legal in the USI know, that's what I said.>>535842267>Chinese quality and availability eclipses the rest of the world.2+2=5. See? I can do it too.>>535842361>>535842370>>535842389China is poor because they can only sell their products for cheap. This is called "inability to climb the value chain".
>>535842453You niggers sell your own children for Jordans and iPhones. That's not status.
>>535841956Because there is a brand loyalty and apple is some sort of a status symbol. Even when the product turns to shit and gets unreasonably expensive, most users still stay loyal to the brand. The change happens only when the product becomes really shit. Thus why it's easier just to buy western brands than to try to build new ones. Apple had an advantahe of the first mover and still almost went bankrupt at one point. But without any inovation they will become a blackberry phone. While chinese factories will keep producing a cutting edge tech and making money.
>>535842443>>535842453Here lol. Do the glorious Chinese leaders use superior super good performance Chinkshit phones or just use an iPhone? Looks like they prefers the iPhone.
>>535840936This. Some Chinese GPU could be 100x faster than a 5090 but if it has shit drivers it’s fucking useless.
>>535841479>Nearly on par...You're not very familiar with this industry, are you?Their first gen is vaporware until someone gets a physical unit.Their first gen is not on par until consumer testing begins.
>>535840789I'm going to bet instead China makes a gpu that can kill you horribly in a fire just like their rice cooker evs.
>>535842012Two reasons:A century of humiliation.Mao with his retarded ideas. It was not ideology for the people. But just a psychopath gaining power at the expense of those people.They figured out how economy works just 30 years ago and they are already ahead in many areas.
>>535841304China can't even make decent tools. All the pocket knives made in China have to import steel from America and Sweden because Chinese steel is garbage.
>>535842445>Chona won't make gpus that beat ours in performance at the bleeding edge.Right now, when Chinese buy NVidia GPUs from the US, they're shipped first to an intermediary GPU chop shop that upgrades the card. China is at the forefront of human manufacturing and has been for all of history except for one century of humiliation. You're trying to argue your way out of a black hole's gravity.>There's no real rush since performance and the demanding vidya has been mostly stagnant, especially for 1080pVidya is not the leading market for GPUs, either as a market or as a performance concern.
>>535842550>Because there is a brand loyaltyExactly. So why can't china build that brand loyalty? No one ever buys a chink brand because of the brand. No one even knows the names of the chink brands. They're only ever bought because of the low price. Anyone buying on the basis of quality or brand, buys something else.
>>535842160>Yeah, businesses are all about selling their products for less when they could sell them for more lmao.Isn’t this literally one of the core principles of free market capitalism? You overcharge people less, people will buy from you instead of your competition. BYD is the top selling EV brand worldwide including in Europe. They don’t have a presence in America because of political reasons.
>>535842521>China is poorAdjusted to purchasing power they surpassed US in terms of wealth.>because they can only sell their products for cheapThey are catering to a way larger market that keeps growing because everyone is getting poorer.Name one item in your room that is made in the USA.
>>535842521>This is called "inability to climb the value chain".It's called not being a dishonest grifter.An alien concept in the American business environment.
>>535840852It's the hallmark of a country with strong internal competition pushing down pricesSeveral Chinese provinces, with populations the size of large countries, would be classified as high income economies if they were independent countries (e.g. Jiangsu province)
>>535842578Wouldn't it be great if everyone in East Asia would be a Chinese leader to afford iPhones?
>>535840789It's more than possible that they'd make a GPU that is NVidya like since they steal without any scruples. It may bring GPU prices down, actually. I'd say they can at least replicate them and then eventually they'll be able to make better ones, but not sure if I'd put on in my rig. GPUs can catch fire if not made properly. Even the last gen Nvidya GPUs would catch fire if the cable was not set properly. I'd buy one for my "fuck around" computer, but not my main rig. Even then, I wouldn't do major shit with it. Play games from like 2020 or some shit.I got this GPU when it was $1089 in December and then they marked it down another $50 for Boxing Day, which I was able to cash in on. This is the first computer I've built since like 2016, so I splurged a tad.
>>535842726That’s what we’re saying, if they could, they’d all get iPhones. Especially with Apple silicone chips, nobody can really compete in the phone and laptop market.
>>535840789>this is not x. This is yWhy do you faggots always insist on following these retarded AI bots
>>535842604Probably not familiar enough.Physical units were delivered and scored below Nvidia and Radeon GPUs, that's why I said nearly on par.I can buy two Chinesium graphics cards and probably pay less than for one Radeon.
>>535842521>China is poor because they can only sell their products for cheap. Xpeng is a premium car brand that has been gaining popularity and recognition worldwide. You boomers are stuck in an 80s mentality
>>535842659They do. In china and asia.For the usa, would you invest in your own brand in the usa when the local competition will just bribe the government to ban it?Lenovo is the top producer of laptops in the world. Chinese brand.Byd is the top producer of electric cars in the world. Chinese brand.Haier, robotock, oppo, etc. They even started producing video games in aaa category and it is a massive success.
>>535842846Are you going to sell your product on "if they could" premises? Are you going to make Asians richer than they are?As a matter of fact, iPhones are sold for huge discounts in Asia so they can keep a share of the market.
>>535840789Give it a decade. If amerifat business keeps going the way things are now they will. China plays the long game, jewish businessmen want a quick buck and will destroy businesses carelessly getting it.
>>535842671>Isn’t this literally one of the core principles of free market capitalism?No, not at all lmao.>>535842674>Adjusted to purchasing power they surpassed US in terms of wealth.They have 4 times as many people dumb gypsy.>>535842705>It's called not being a dishonest grifter.Yeah Chinese are known for not being scammers lmao. Anyway, they will stay poor because of their high morality lmao.>>535842718>It's the hallmark of a country with strong internal competition pushing down pricesSo why doesn't that affect US brands? Why do Chinese get such a small % of the value of an iPhone compared to Apple?
>>535842521>China is poor>they can only sell their products for cheapChinese export value is 4x America's. Homeownership, life expectancy, literacy, advanced education rates, and healthcare access are all higher in China than America.
>>535841246China doesnt "make" the iPhones, they just assemble it, just like India, guess why?
>>535842900>Xpengnever heard of it. sounds funny>>535842936Never heard of any of those brands either lol>>535843070>Chinese export value is 4x America'sRight and it's all low value added. Much work for little profit.
>>535843111Low wages, no labor laws, and dextrous little asian fingers.
>>535841377>sold outgo fuck yourself poopjeet
>>535843167If America is so great, why can't Americans make extreme ultraviolet lithography machines and have to buy them from ASML in the Netherlands?
>>535841974>your favorite game supports the card is 0.0%you clearly dont know what you are talking about :D
>>535843069>They have 4 times as many people dumb gypsy.This means you have to work 4 times harder for much cheaper and longer hours only to catch up with them, niggerbrain.
>>5358407890%
>>535843111>they just assemble it, just like India,India actually doesn't know how to "assemble" those phones without importing all spareparts from China.And even then they have 50% faulty rate.Listen to the apple CEO
>>535843069>Chinese are known for not being scammersChina and India are different countries.>they will stay poor because of their high morality"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."Poverty correlates with morality.Honest men rarely become obscenely wealthy.
>>535842646so materials are bad or they cant make knives?
>>535840789The gpu in question costs $500 and is worse than what cost me $100 like 10 years agoYou can't steal the tech for this sort of thing, so they'll probably just never catch up
>>535840789>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?Zero. Chyna doesn't innovate, they copy. Their GPU's might be good, but won't be better than NVIDIA and they'll lie about the capabilities.
>>535842859Yeah, better hope they stole VRM standards or your Chinesium card is blowing out in less than 18 months.
>>535841664>iirc it was equivalent to 3060That ended up being a straight up lie lol
>>535843111They absolutely do make most of the parts. The reason why apple can't set an assembly anywhere else, is a supply chain. They would still need to import all the parts from china, which is time consuming. India doesn't even know how to assemble them.
They don't need to be as good or better, they need to be good enough.
>>535843530>so they'll probably just never catch upRemember when Harry Truman said the Russians would NEVER build a nuclear bomb?
>>535843696That's what I say to your mom whenever she brings up my past girlfriends.
>Nvidia is a monopoly! They're ruining the PC market!>meanwhile PC cucks
>>535843938My mama is dead.
>>535843597Is there any bit of tech the jews didn't sell them yet or they didn't manage to reverse-engineer?
>>535843690India doesn't even know how to not shit in their own food.
>>5358407890% communism encourages workers to do the absolute bare minimum.This is why "made in china" is synonymous with cheap trash
>>535843867Not at all the same situation. Unironically educate yourself>>535843982Most of that amd is integrated too, dedicated gpu share is like 95% Nvidia now and still rising
>>535841304They literally don't. American made products work better and last longer.Chinese made shit is just cheaper.Consumers are retards though so they just buy the cheapest shit and replace it every 6 months the when it breaks.
>>535840789100% Remember people used to say Chinese phones would never compete, Chinese trains would never compete, Chinede brands would never compete, etc.
>>535844011She's in a better place fren. You should be glad for anyone who doesn't have to live in this world, especially your mother.The time when the living envy the dead is now.Always remember that she watches over you and when you do good she's even happier up there.
>>535840789Hope for unlimited $50 5090s with 128 gb of ram from china.
>>535840789110%
>>535840906Then china is proof that fascism is a shit system, because china fucking sucks.
>>535841377>that's 1 in every 47,000 people in chinaNo.
>>535840789>DEMAND CRUSHED30k in 2 days is not impressive, kek. There are a billion potential consumers in China alone
>>535842798Stop posting Canadian prices. Your currency is dogshit and your country is 3rd world. Shitjeet
>>535840936Lmao no.High performance computing requires extreme precision and chinese QC is a fucking joke.They are basically orks.
>>535841581I notice you didn't say better
>>535844011Sorry, I fucked her a little too hard >_<>>535844105>Not at all the same situation.Yeah, because GPUs are black magic and not just another piece of technology.Given enough time, any tech can be stolen or imitated.The chinks are already trying to copy lithography machines machines.
>>535844355>because china fucking sucks.and still infinitely better than you're judeo-nigger shithole.
>>535841581>and they don't come with kike backdoors.Huawei absolutely does and has had it exploited by TAO (NSA hackers) before.
>>535840789It honestly doesn't matter if they are better or not. If they are slightly worse, but a lot cheaper, people will buy them.
>>535841664That is almost certainly the plan They will sell cheap last-gen crap to thirdies that steals user data to be used for AI training.
>>535840789>this is not about this, it's about that
>>535840789China has come a long way and their engineering is pretty impressive, while they haven't done the Research and development, they have perfected it and improvised upon it.
>>535843437>Poverty correlates with morality.Not at all.You probably look at the world through the "zero-sum game" lens, meaning someone has to lose so you can win. Very american way of looking at things.
>>535840852That may be true but western made products have toppled in quality in the last 15 years and they're getting exponentially worse on a yearly basis while the price for them skyrockets. The choice is rapidly becoming "buy a badly made Chinese product for cheap" or "buy a badly made western product for top dollar".
>>535841765Your shitty regulations make you uncompetitive with anyone which is why you block out our products too.Your government is not scared of superior chinese quality, they are scared of lower chinese prices destroying your manufacturing sector.You use your trade policy as a jobs program.
>>535840789>as powerful as a 3070 ti>only $500Genuinely great price
>>535840789They’re baiting Nvidia into overproducing right as the bubble bursts
>>535844469>currency being lower is always badListen, pigskin, I don't have time to explain basic economics to you. Also, Canadians have a higher living standard and live longer. lol Your cities look like wastelands where people get shot and stabbed on a regular bases.Retarded pigskin.
>>535844842>as powerful as a 3070 ti
>>535844615>beforeBefore = when using Western chips because the backdoors are hardcoded.They started making their own proprietary chips for years when mutts tried to fuck them over on the phone markets.
>>535844615It was only very recently that Huawei started building phones with 100% domestic components and software. Before HarmonyOS 5, Huawei used the Linux kernel
>>535844904No you fucking retard it was a CPC backdoor they exploited.
>>535844903Thats what the benchmark tested. Its not like that's any impressive because it's 5 years out of date lol
>>535841962>who get access to the technology and develope their own techSo overt IP theft.I guess you justify it because the poor oppressed china man cant be expected to follow the same rules as evil oppressive whites, but also the china man is superior to the white and we are entering the chinese century. CHINA STRONK!
>>535844889>on a regular bases
>>535844935And that wasn't the exploit to gain access.
>>535841974Their software will be written by the same jeets that write ours
>>535840789>this is not about specsSo it's a shitty gpu?
>>535843111Apple wanted to use CXMT and YMTC as suppliers, but the US government threw a fit, due to lobbying by Micron etc
>>535844871>They’re baiting Nvidia into overproducingNever ask how many chips designed for AI are sitting idly in warehouses because the US can't build datacenters fast enough.And they're switching from bulky binary to actual language systems which will make Chinesium AI work faster and smarter than niggerbrain AI.
>>535844990Based for finding the exploit and making it public so China will fix those exploits. Backdoors will stay and I don't care because Xi will never hang me for calling you a NIGGER!
>>535844990You should provide a link
>>535844996>Thats what the benchmark testedMm hmm...
>>535845177>and I don't careYou cared enough to claim it was a feature to not have it earlier.
>>535845096Not bad, not great, just good enough.
>>535844773>Not at all.>a gypsy thinks he knows better than Jesus
>>535845243Operation Shotgiant and the Australian telecom wiretap. These were two major world events.
>>535843136>China is poorer than the US>Okay so China isn't poorer than the US, but they don't export as much value>Okay so they do export more value than the US, but they don't export value-addedThe US' exports are raw resources. Chinese exports are manufactured. Sensors, electronics, finished consumer goods, car batteries, and solar panels. Chinese exports are more value-added than US exports.
>>535845255>kike backdoorsNow Chinese are kikes? I don't care if Xi sees me calling you a nigger faggot, he would probably approve.
>>535842032>Chinese products are always cheaper because China knows how to do business.FUCKING LOLChinese shit is cheaper because china is an authoritarian hellhole with no rights.Their citizens are effectively slaves owned by the CCP and rented to private companies.They jave no safety regulations, environmental regulations, quality control standards, or basic workers rights.Most chinese work 14 hrs shifts in dangerous factory conditions to make your cheap garbage.There is a reason the Foxconn facility has suicide nets and the chinese government doesnt report or even bother recording workplace injury statistics.
>>535842169This, Open Source drivers is the way to go
>>535842112Maybe you lost, but im not a pussy bitch willing to surrender to propaganda.You and Fuentes both should move to china to make it easier for you to suck your chink master's dicks.Fucking traitor
>>535845422>Now Chinese are kikesYes, they're little yellow kikes.
>>535845298I know better than what Catholic child molesters understand from Jesus Christ's Word.Lazarus was rich. Did he make it in Heaven?
>>535840789Close to 0%. Going to take at least 5 years before China is competitive.
>>535845436You expect me to read all that cope by a fucking nigger faggot?>>535845511The cope is palpable.
>>535840789>Chinese would rather buy Chinese productNothing surprising about this. If only Americans and Europeans would act this way in regards to products regardless of the price instead of just importing it from Asia.
>>535845596>Lazarus was richHe was a beggar in the bible you retard.
>>535845689>regardless of the priceSir, I can't afford to pay my bills because you're getting cucked by Iran. I can't afford European or nigger products.
>>535841246>chinaThose facilities tend to be in Taiwan. They actually used to be in the US before they were moved to Taiwan to cut costs so that the CEO could get a bigger bonus.
>>535840852They make better cars. That’s why they’re banned from western markets
Do these hopeful morons know that the CCP was buying the electric cars it subsidized to trick investors into thinking there's incredible demand for them? The cars they bought back are sitting in parking lots rotting right now.China is scam central, worse than india.
>>535845777>That’s why they’re banned from western marketsOnly the US has restrictions on BYD.
>>535841246China just puts the pieces together you fucktard. They did not create these things or the processes for creating them. It's basically like someone making brownies from a box. They didn't invent fucking brownies.
>>535845320Shotgiant happened in 2009 and targeted Huawei's own servers, which were certainly not using 100% domestic hardware and software at the time.I don't find what exactly you mean by the Australian telecom wiretap. I assume you meant this, which is from 2012.https://archive.ph/ZFuQyThe story is that Australia detected an update with malicious code to Huawei network equipment. Note, however1. The supposed events occurred in 20122. It regards telco infrastructure, not phones3. This story was published at a time when many pro-American governments were looking for justifications to ban Huawei, so the whole story seems quite dubious4. The article doesn't say the NSA exploited the alleged back door
>>535845804All taxis in Moscow are Chinesium EVs.
>>535840789zero
>>535840852A lot of shit sold in America is overpriced because of the middleman.
>>535845756Maybe you should do the work to transition to a state of being that is less dependent on the strait of Hormuz.
>>535840789Wait chinks think the iPhone is their invention now too?Jesus Christ they are good trolls
>>535840789Like all thingsOdds China will be superior:0%.Odds China will claim they are superior:1000%If China were superior, it wouldn't need to steal and copy western technology.
>>5358407890 because the software/firmware is way more important and it will never reach Nvidia, amd,Or even intel
China lies, cheats and steals.
>>535845897Your sales are dependent on my wealth, which is dependent on energy from Gulf States, niggerbrain.Decide if you want me to be wealthy enough to buy niggershit or poor enough to buy Chinese products.
>>53584524840% fall off to 18fps lows....... at 1080p?!?!?!?>it doesnt need to be the best, it just needs to shipWhat are we even doing here?
>>535845907iPhone is a Chinese product designed in California.
>>535843069>So why doesn't that affect US brands?One reason is tariffs and bans imposed to keep Chinese competitive pressure from affecting the US market>Why do Chinese get such a small % of the value of an iPhone compared to Apple?Because Apple designed the value chain so that they could squeeze out as much money as possible and so that they won't be excessively dependent on any one country? China gets a much larger % of the value of Chinese brand phones. The US rugpulled Huawei to prevent them from taking market share from Apple, which would have meant China capturing a much larger % of the value of phones in the same market segment as the iPhone
>>535845867So? THere are thousands of these things the chink government bought up using shell companies to create the illusion of demand and there are thousands of these things sitting in empty lots all over china rotting. There's one such EV graveyard in Australia even, they're sitting in the parking lot of an old abandoned water park.
>>535846109iPhone is an American product assembled in china.
>>535840852there are fucking doodoo gargabe retards out there,so mind raped by jews and boomers,that they actually still believe thisHEY FAGGOT , THEY HAVE ALL MANUFACTURING WE HAVE NIGGERS AND EPSTEIN
>>535846284Tesla is a racket designed to drain taxpayer money. BYD is a cheap car that anyone can afford.>>535846311What iPhone components are produced in the USA?
>>535840789what kind of gpu? desktop / consumer gpus or server grade gpus? if its consumer stuff pretty soon china will have no actual competition, amd and nvidia are gradually easing out of the consumer market entirely since it makes them barely any money at all compared to enterprise customers.
>>5358407890>ccp bans the competition>ccp uses retarded accounts to say to the outside world we are noooommmbbbbaaaahhh wuuuunnnAnother day another desperate ccp invest in china we are awesome shit thread.
>>535846075Oh you know, just shilling chink shit because we're thirdies and are mad we got priced out of pc gaming, or something like that. >>535846428underaged drama nexus fanboy detected
I give them 5 years for parity and 10 years before they supercede NVIDIA who will probably get bogged down in proprietary AI bullshit while the chink cards become raster powerhouses
>>535846417Name the CCP engineers who designed the original iPhoen.>kvetching about teslaNow address what I said about china's fake ass EV industry. You won't because you can't without admitting it's all fake and gay too.Or you can deny what I said and reveal yourself to be an ignorant shill.
I'm ready and waiting to fuck the US off in all regards. If China can produce quality at a competitive price, and supply it direct, lets go. China should just fuck nvidia over, hack, spy, whatever it takes
>>535846523China, the land of cut corners and shortcuts, will not be able to pull it off.
>>535846681Spoken like an actual chink.>if you can cheat, cheatThis is your religion.
>>535846681Nvidia's moat is the CUDA ecosystem, although that is tied in with the card HW. CUDA patents are beginning to fall but it will be years before I think we get a true 100% CUDA compatible non-Nvidia card
>>535846463Exactly. It's all fake and gay. Everyone outside of china sucking them off like good little shills are either spiteful and ignorant, or actual chinks.
I don't care about beating TSMC's dark magic, just give me a mid range gpu for an good price.
>>535840789hardware will probably catch up, but what makes nvidia good is cuda, while not necessarily the best implementation its essential because everything runs on ityou can make a better gpu with better software but it will be dead on arrival because nvidia has built a wall around all important software
>>535846075>>535846486The Chinese are buying out of patriotism, meaning "Made in China" > performance. They want Chinese companies to eventually be the best, even if it means wasting money.
>>535847023>The Chinese are buying out of patriotismlollmaoThey're buying out of trying to survive in their dystopian shithole. They're not actually patriotic, they're terrified of not being "patriotic" enough and getting the wrong kind of attention.Finngolian education, everyone.
>>535845852Chiba invents technologies. Then apple engineers use that latest technology to design their phones. But the underlying tech is chinese. And apple can't move the production out of china because no-one else has that tech. They really tried and failed miserably.
>>535840789Slave races like the Chinese always win in the end.Chinks were never manipulated into making slave labour illegal, and they have been profitting of it for the last 100 years.
>>535847095>Chiba invents technologies.lolThey steal technology. They tried to reverse engineer a UV lithography machine, something they cannot build, and ended up breaking it instead.Stop sucking off the chinks you fucktard.
>>535847178The chinese people are not winning, just a few psychopaths at the top are.
Sadly, too expensive even counting for bad drivers performance tax.Imagine if they managed to reduce the cost to 1/4 the current cost it (400$) , it would finish Nvidia (5% of their revenue) and AMD (11.2% or their revenue) GPU gaming bussiness. It would create a new golden age of desktop gaming. I guess Nvidia/AMD are too far ahead. Not bad for a first iteration thoght, only China could do this.
>>53584707430k GPUs ain't shit in China, come on man.
>>535847178>Kiievstfu nafoid slave
>>535840789Decent oddsThey will lose tens billions of dollars just to embarrass the west with Chinese GPUs being a better price/performance ratio than USA/TAIWAN GPUsCould take them a few more years to get there though (and the GPUs might be terrible performance/watt wise)
>>535847221MIGA!
>>535847221Those few psychopaths have all the power in the world though so yes they're winning.
>>535840936Actually the hardest part is getting enough people onto your platform and to gather data to fix those issues on so many systems. Good thing about China being competitive is this is how your get the 1080TI again. Competition is good for the consumer we should hope they do well so Nvidia and AMD stop jewing us.
>>535845658Cope and seethe bitch
>>535847023Holy fuck the cope
>>535846705I think this is cope, a bunch of serious shit is already made in China anyway. Medical devices, ships. Russian made chips are currently late 2000s tier and China has way way more manufacturing capacity than Russia right now
>>535847095>Chiba invents technologiesAHAHAHAHAHAHABAIs that why they have thousands of grad students infesting American companies and universities stealing IP?
>>535840936gaymers just need to confine their gaming to predefined thingsinstead of the drivers being the issue it's clearly an issue of the games being wild and poorly made
>>535846671>designedChinese don't need to design when they are the producer. Like JP Morgan producing Tesla's generators and calling them his own products. In this light, you have it good with China. I for one would produce a replica called cPhone to shit on your iPhone and ban all your operations.I didn't bother to factcheck your bullshit about Chinese govt buying BYD, however I told you that all taxis in Moscow are BYD EVs for years, meaning there's an actual market for them.You can't cater Tesla to impoverished Westerners or to the Global South.You lost.
>>535847763UE5 has entered the chat.
>>535847463>nigger faggot gets triggered
>>535847576They're not retarded. It's not like GPU comparisons aren't done in China.
>>535840789Nvidia doesnt have a reason to care as long as they share a bed with Palantir.
Those GPUs aren't good yet, they use old ASML fabsThe good Chinese GPUs will roll out in the 30s once they get their own fabs ready
>>535843321You are absolutely ignorant on the topic. Apple Chips are made in Taiwan, they just ship the parts to China and other countries for assembly. Maybe its true that they use some electronic components from China, but the point is that what you call a "build" is just assembly of the parts.>>535843690China doesn't have those either. The only machines that can make CPU chips were made by investing several billions and tons of undisclosed research over 30 years, and integrate hundred thousands of custom made parts from many customers. Its not something China nor anyone will ever be able to reverse engineer and even if they do so, they would not even to build it unless they setup hundred of factories just to produce the custom made parts needed.>>535843404I have no doubts, since Indians are barely human.
The Chinese are going be the winner in the end “In the end”
>>535849335Yup, just 2 more weeks.
>>535849231>Apple ChipsA smartphone is much more than just the main SoC.>China doesn't have those either. The only machines that can make CPU chips were made by investing several billions and tons of undisclosed research over 30 years, and integrate hundred thousands of custom made parts from many customersThis is impossible for a random european country, but it's something Usa's spy network has admitted China has achieved.Now the Chinese just need to develop the blueprints for the advanced CPUs which will take 4-5 years and they are well on their way.
>>535847221Das rite sir, indians are winningMarket billionaire coopted clepto-democracy gods will bless your country with unending corruption, unequalty, poverty, shit colored sacred rivers, destroyed environment for quarterly profits or locar corrupt, and brown miga (make india great again seeer) Smartest ones smear themselves with fresh cow dung to avoid succumbing to the heat wave caused by eliminating all traces of vegetation around 30 million fecaloid poluted city.
>>535840789it's guaranteed lmao
>>535840852China makes all of your shit you dumbass. Even if it's a American company. LMAOLOL
>>535843982i wanna know what the fuck the 'other' people are running. Chinkgpus are still new, aren't they?
>>535851191Mostly just ancient shit with hacked drivers
>>535840852Dji is still the best drone company
>>535840789They say it would take decades for anyone to compete with Nividia which means China can do it in 5 years.
>>5358407890% chance China can compete with Real China (Taiwan).
>>535840789The GPUs are horrendous.
>>535851640>China can do it in 5 years.There is too many secret little tricks nvidia has implemented both on software side and hardware side.This type of difference cann't be matched until China has developed 3-4 generations of chips and learned from their own mistakes along the way.Then secondly, the western video game developers will always perfer nvidia guidelines when they develop video games, one of the big underhanded reasons why AMD and ATI(back in the day) could not compete with nvidia.This issue will not be solved until western game developers die off and Chinese game developers start to dominate the markets.
>>535841974why you talking 90s computing, we have auto update for software an firmware globally.With ai you wont even need a human to update drivers it does itself just like your car.
>>535845011It's not theft when western companies go out of their way to transfer all that tech to china and send their best engineers to teach chinese engineers. They didn't steal anything from ibm or apple. Both companies went out of their way to teach chinese everything they know, expecting them to be forever cheap labor.
>>5358407890%It's a low end $200 budget card anon.
>>535847657>>535847194How can china steal the technology that the usa doesn't even have?
All this talk in this thread talking about drivers is hilarious.. Stop living in the past, be ez for ai to update modern game drivers automatically. end of that discussion.side note: english made scooter 'local' 93km £600. Chinese temu scooter {is greater} 110km £450.You tell me whos being ripped off anons.
>>5358407891.5 billion people bought 30,000 graphics cards HOLY SHIT especially when they are not legally allowed to have any American cards HOLY SHITTY CRAPPY DICKY SUCKY.
Struggling to understand the point of creating and innovating when you don't even breed and won't exist as a group in like 50 years (inb4 retards who don't understanding aging). Goes beyong China, it applies to all countries. Hell, it applies to both countries and people really. Like witnessing childless 55 years old building things. For what legacy? You're creating things that will either be used by africans or left ignored to rot or seized by the state. Creating things only makes sense if you also create life. That's even more true when you're not creating art but products.
>>535840852i don't need it perfect, i need it good enough for reasonable price
>>535840789Low. It'll probably take another 15 years before they start to (roughly) equal the level western companies are at today.
>>535840789>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?1000%No israeli backdoors
>>535841304Chinesium just isn't worth it, you absolute nigger.
>>535840789Close to zero in this decade
>>535840789Zero of course as all their technology is stolen. They can only steal. They are not capable of innovation.
>>535854986Just like kikes!
>>535854605>Chink backdoors are my favorite!
>>535855024Pretty much. The yellow jew.
>>535840936Intel went ultra lazy route and just emulate dx7-11. That's why its is full of bugs, crashes and performance problems. Dxvk can be good solution for some games but will never work for all games. And for new games chinks wont have diss/fsr
>>535855080Has the white man just had zero security for the last 200 years? We just thought Freemasons and kikes were good old boys I guess lol
>1ptidToo bad, could've been a worthwhile thread.
>>535840789how will the bloated whore west ever recover? maybe harder ads on chatpgt?
>>535853281>be ez for ai to update modern game drivers automaticallya recipe for perpetual bluescreens and bricked hardware
>>535842017massive cope if it turns out better than AMD LULZbut it is chink, so give em like 2 more years
>>535842112And designed by the West. The only good thing that China is good at is stealing.
>>535840789eventually 100% because they have one goal : make a better product than nvidianvidia's goal is to wreck the planet, same product but they're in a totally different business
>>535840789>>535841479The board has already been reviewed and found to perform worse than a 3060 for a lot more money.On par ? I'd say not
>>535842032You 're an idiot . Iphone has never been about good hardware. People buy them for their software ecosystem and for social points. Otherwise they're utter shit.Now try blinging out with a Chinese phone. Foids will spit in your face.t. Xiaomi owner
>>535849739>but it's something Usa's spy network has admitted China has achieved.By seeing how "competent" the current alphabet agencies of muttland are nowadays, i will take my chance and say that they didn't even knew what to look for.The only possibility is that one of the only countries that have these chip making machines are making these components for China. Chances of them being the Dutch are high, since Euros hate mutts.Or maybe, likely kikes are serving as the middleman to deal with the companies that manufacture these chips. You know, kikes are rats and love fucking their greatest ally over and over, like the many times they sold secret mutt military tech to the Chinese.>Now the Chinese just need to develop the blueprints for the advanced CPUs which will take 4-5 years and they are well on their way.Are you aware how retarded it sounds to say "they reverse engineered the one most complex piece of engineering achieve by humankind... but no, they still cannot crack the code to a modern CPU architecture"?.
>>535841747Although an abstraction layer in principle means that both sides of the API boundary can treat the other as a black box, in practice due to bugs they often have to "pierce the veil". Both drivers and applications often have workarounds for each other's bugs.
>>535840852Get with the times, gramps
>>535840789>it's not about X it's about Ychat gpt slop every time
>>535840789Lmao at the America seething on here Kek
>>535840789they will catch on fire... wont they?
>>535840789>the first iphone wasn't the best phoneyes it was
>>535840789If we stop exporting quartz from Spruce Pine, they don't chance unless they make a fundamental breakthrough with silicon purity.
>>535858164>By seeing how "competent" the current alphabet agencies of muttland are nowadays, i will take my chance and say that they didn't even knew what to look for.China says they have EUV.Usa says China has EUV.But I guess they forgot to ask you for permission to have EUV.KEK>The only possibility is that one of the only countries that have these chip making machines are making these components for China. Chances of them being the Dutch are highDutch don't have this expertise, they need to import 80% of the EUV from other countries such as...China.The dutch write the firmware and control software of the machines, and they put them together like legos, that's the extend of their exportise.China on the other hand...>Can China produce precision optics on par with Zeiss?Yes they actually can.>Can China now produce high powered UV laser light needed for lithography?Yes, they actually can.>Can China produce nano scale precision actuator motors?...yes they can.>wait, those are all the critical parts they need to produce an EUVYes indeed.>but no, they still cannot crack the code to a modern CPU architecture"?.The EUV cannot shit out a microchip if you don't feed it a blueprint.The same way a car factory cannot shit our a car without the specific blueprint for the specific car.The Chinese actually needs to tell the machine which type of CPU it should produce, they first need to design their own CPU blueprint that tells the machine exactly which transisters are placed at position x, y, z, etc.There, I hope you learned something new today.
>>535840789Taiwanese and Chinese are the same people. China had a much larger economy to spend on catching up. If the Chinese in Taiwan can figure it out, they definitely can in a lot shorter time span than Taiwan made those processes.
>>535840789In China they have an insult for people who just rush to buy stuff because it was made in China. I forget the word but it basically translates into "retard patriot tax".
>>535841747does intel?
>>535840789>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?Zero, for now anyway. They debuted their chips last week and they were underwhelming, like 10 years behind what Nvidia and AMD are doing.They'll probably be useful for less demanding applications; but they aren't directly taking on Nvidia or AMD yet. They'll keep catching up; but even if they're just making budget chips relative to the west there will still be a market for them.
>>535840789It's a low bar, OP.Nvidia is just feeding into software bloat. Their "better" cards aren't even better.
>>535840789Zero, they aren't sold the latest lithography machines, so they're forced to behind atm. Though I'm sure it can run crisis.
>>535840789>Odds China makes better gpu's than Nvidia?100%Njudea left the GPU market
>>535860898>10 years behindThe time estimate is off since they're catching up not inventing new processes like the current manufacturers had to. They'll catch up pretty fast once they start rolling on lithography tech. They might even replace the current machine because they had to. China always figures things out.
>>535861253>replace the current machine leaders
>>535840789Irrelevant. They can't be used for gaming, only farmers will buy them. Which means gaming GPUs will return to normal.This is only good news.
>>535860352>Dutch don't have this expertise, they need to import 80% of the EUV from other countries such as...China.You dumb fuck. ASML is literally the only company in the world that can build and ship the lithography machines needed to fabricate chips. FFS you can literally look it put right now.>they need to import 80% of the EUV from other countries such as...China.Yeah, thats why they couldn't make CPU chips until recently? holyshit you are retarded. There is no chance of having a civil high level debate with you retarded commie fucks, you always come up with the most retarded bullshit and expect the counterpart to just eat it up, talking about shit you dont know shit about.Do you even know the difference between fabricating components and building a machine that is an ensemble of all those components?>The EUV cannot shit out a microchip if you don't feed it a blueprint.Nigger, the whole point is that if they in fact did reverse engineer the absurd complexity of the machines that make the chips without any external providers in such a ridiculous short amount of time; to make a blueprint for a CPU chip would not even be a challenge.But i don't expect a retarded mongoloid such as you to understand how retarded your statements sound.
>>535840789better? kek, nothing from china is better. I hope they enjoy their faulty shitty gpus. the nature of chinese culture and their people mean they cannot ever create or improve. they can only copy and mimic poorly.
>>535861253China has been 10 years behind for like 20 years now. They keep claiming they're catching up, but the very few times they've released a product, it's been way, way worse than they claim.This latest attempt isn't even 10 years behind, benchmarking puts it closer to 15 years behind. Shit can't even do 1080p at 60fps.
>>535840852It's not 2005 grandpa. The best western products are often made in China with a western label
>>535840789None.
Better now? Nvidia said “fuck efficiency we want MAXIMUMPOWAH!” and made every card hot enough to burn a crack den. It’s why all these “data centers” need water cooling because it has a lower delta than air cooling and they can ,ale these massive cooling towers pump liquid through the system. It just needs lots of noisy fans,In the next ten years they will make a GPU that’s 90% as good as the best Nvidia chip and even less energy conservational. Which means the west will start trying to enforce their environmental standards on China after denying the efficient chips from Nvidia. Meanwhile AMD is chasing performance per watt.
>>535840789Incredibly low, chinkshit is almost always lower quality. They just advertise and ship in bulk so people believe the hype until it goes one month past manufacturer warranty.
>>535860352Also, i just looked it up. The Chinese did in fact NOT build their own EUV lithography machine, but bought an older model (legal gap that allows ASML sell their machines to anyone) from unconfirmed sources and are still tinkering with that, which means the present Chinese chips are in fact inferior until they reverse engineer the machine and manage to improve over it.
>>535861407>You dumb fuck. ASML is literally the only company in the world that can build and ship the lithography machines needed to fabricate chipsThe machine is made of small parts, some of these parts are from Zeiss in Germany for example, the dutch don't know how to make this specific part. But the Germans do. And now the Chinese do as well.It's crazy that I even need to explain this. I completely overestimated you, I forgot the IQ in your region was ~90. lolChina is now the only country in the world who has the full expertise to produce an entire EUV, without importing any parts.>Yeah, thats why they couldn't make CPU chips until recently?Falacy.1. China has been producing ARM cpu for a long time now at 28nm, and 14nm, and 7nm.2. Just because China supplies the Dutch with some screws and bolts, doesn't mean China can produce a 3nm chip.>to make a blueprint for a CPU chip would not even be a challenge.A cpu today has 1 billion transistors..I forgot your IQ is 90, so I need to explain to you that 1 billion is a very high number. Reverse engineering the exact locations and connections of 1000 000 000 transistors is a very big task.Right.You are a 90 iq dumbfuck spic, so I shold explain to you it's much easier for the Chinese to use Deepseek to assist them with their own microchip software to arrange the placement and connectivity of these 1 billion transistors.Since your iq is only 90, it is probably a good idea to try to convey the diffuculty of locating 1 billion transistors one by one under an electron microscope.KEKSouth america is such a disappointing continent.
>>535861875>The Chinese did in fact NOT build their own EUV lithography machine, but bought an older modelThey did both retard.The Chinese says thy have EUV.Usa says the Chinese have EUV.But you won't believe it until god descends from heaven to tell you China has EUV, because you are a 90 IQ dumbfuck. LMAO
>>535841246>pwnPhone-posting is the hallmark of being a third world jeetnigger. Up your psy-op game, retard, or you won't get paid your rupees.
>>535861723Good post. NVDA are only doing what they're doing because AMD shits on them from an efficiency standpoint.It would be really nice if China humbled the entire American consumer product market. It's all just branding now - it's all from China anyway. I'd rather buy the BLUEPOWERMASTERPC brand and spend $400 than the GRX9700000X3D and pay the good goy tax. China gets my respect. They at least are playing the game for their own future rather than the future of a parasite class that is destroying the host, like we are. I just hope we can make it through this with some rights in tact - but I know we won't be doing that either. Maybe all I can hope for is that the Aryan spirit of old can inspire the Chinese to aspire to greater things, and that the stars still belong to us - just not us specifically. Thanks Jews.
>>535841561>Why can't China sell their own brands?Please tell me you are joking man, there's no way you are this fucking stupid
>>535862360Some of us just dont give a shit and just send shit cause its not that big of a deal unless you want to disingenuously argue with someone cause you don't have a good argument yourself.
>>535862751>>535841561A Brand is a Warranty responsibility. Chinese have figured out it's more profitable in small scale to let rendom headphone brands die off and take 0 responsibility for warranty issues.BYD is different because they want to become a reliable warranty provider.
>>535851916There aren't that many "tricks". A lot of the design process can be automated now. It's all just process based and getting down to the scale they need. They just need to get to at least 4nm and 2nm and refine their EUV.
>>535862267furthermore, they failed to reverse engineer a duv machine
>>535863040Reuters = Overlord CIAwccftech = discount CIA underlingYour CIA underling has been thrown under the bus by their own overlord.
>>535861556They had to build their entire fab process. Now they've shown to produce working GPUs with their own entite fab process and machines, they can catch up pretty quickly. Also they haven't been "10 years away 20 years ago" 20 years ago they were saying they'd never catch up at all. Saying they're 10 years away now from "never" seems like a big admission by naysayers.
>>535863022>There aren't that many "tricks".There are lots of secret shortcuts they can do, such as ignoreing floatingpoint 16 specifications, and using a floatingpoint 8 pipeline to draw the image instead, retarded gaymers can't tell the difference anyhow.Lots of engineering dillemas like this which China has 0 experience with.Your brain has made too big simplification of CPU design.
>>535840789>tweet written by AIImagine being such a fucking retarded loser that you can't even write your own worthless slop.
>>535841246Energy, weapons, food
>>535840789Apple or Snapdragon would probably be more successful than them.
>>535863301Those are known problems and you assume they are starting out naive. They are reverse engineering the entire fab process, not just the architecture. The architecture itself is probably in fact the simplest most easy to acquire part. They hire engineers who worked in all the western companies too you know and have had insiders who leaked info that got caught before. But your simple brain can't comprehend how the real world actually works.
absolute 0%% chance they have some backdoor in there to send packets of whatever back to china (when thats found out "oh its just sending diagnostic data back"): 100%
>>535863740>he says with full confidence without reading the thread or doing any reading at all
>>535840789Chinese advances in the modern era are exclusively the result of corporate espionage. Every single thing you think China is the best at, it does slightly less well than someone they stole it from.Zero percent.
>>535863168The thing is, they can catch-up but they cannot surpass as Communist China is a stagnant society that can only copy and steal from others. Innovation is something reserved for capitalist societies (hence why the increasingly Marxist EU is heavily stagnating).
>>535840789And thats exactly why China is where they are today. They always play the long game.While the US is only worried about what public sentiment is RIGHT NOW or what the stock price is TOMMORROW China is always looking decades into the future. Thats why we're all a bunch of dumb niggers who cant afford to buy gas.
>>535863677>They are reverse engineering the entire fab process, not just the architectureArchitecture is more complex than manufacturing process.A manufacturing process is like>pour secret liquid on wafer>turn on the lightsAn Architecture is pic related. a labyrinth of 1000 000 000 transistors arranged in specific ways to calculate specific tasks faster.Ignorant dumbfucks like you don't understand how difficult this is.>The architecture itself is probably in fact the simplest most easy to acquire part. They hire engineers who worked in all the western companies too That's not a guarantee to get good result, they will likely need an expensive head engineer like Jim Keller to surpass AMD and Nvidia.
>>535840906china is better than fascism, or more evolvedits a 1 race kingdom
>>535840789>thinks I'm going to install CCP spyware on my pcI wouldn't be surprised if the goys go crazy for this new tech
>>535862170The manufacture of the components is a single part of the core problem you dumb donnut. The assembly of the components, and to turn it into an actual machine that makes CPU chips is the core problem. But you will just pretend to be retarded until the very end, faggot.>>535862170>China has been producing ARM cpu for a long time now at 28nm, and 14nm, and 7nm.They have not been producing shit, they stole a patented CPU blueprint and issued the machines to ASML.>A cpu today has 1 billion transistorsNigger, the scale is literally the problem the machine solves. When talking about CPU architectures, you think about what each section in the CPU will do, electromagnetic noise, distance between components, etc, etc.>Reverse engineering the exact locations and connections of 1000 000 000 transistors is a very big task.Exact locations? give me a break,Nigger, have you ever done some electronics in your life? The transistors layers itself are basically a mesh where the complexity lays into what i stated on the previous point + the connection between layers and the different sectors of the CPU and components.Much of the issue of coming up with a novel CPU architecture is to come up with an actual improvement, and to deal with the tons of intellectual property bullshit going up around that.>so I shold explain to you it's much easier for the Chinese to use DeepseekIt shows you are using Deepseek, you dumb fuck. You have done anything but try to gaslight this whole thread with your AI slop retarded arguments.>former ASML engineersOh no, China man had to bring actual engineers to clean up their mess.
>>535863040>Broke a machine, had to bring actual ASML engineers to fix their mess.LMAO.>>535863990>Architecture is more complex than manufacturing process.Lol, lmao even.>An Architecture is pic related. a labyrinth of 1000 000 000 transistors arranged in specific ways to calculate specific tasks faster.I bet a huge number scares retarded LLM slop terminally dependent faggots like you, but the architecture itself is really is not that complex when you read an actual book on the topic.Its literally public domain material, faggot.
>>535840852Keep telling yourself that as ram and SSDs become unaffordable thanks to the altman jew.
>>535864872>but the architecture itself is really is not that complex when you read an actual book on the topic.Don't don't just need an architecture, you need an architechture that is faster than the one your enemy has, and uses less electricity than your enemy's.How do you plan on doing this with 0 experience, dumbfuck spic?
>>535864848>The assembly of the components, and to turn it into an actual machine that makes CPU chips is the core problem.Assembling the legos is the most easy part of ASML's job.>They have not been producing shit, they stole a patented CPU blueprint and issued the machines to ASML.Right, right, they purchased the ARM blueprint , because making the best CPU bluepprints is actually very difficult.>When talking about CPU architectures, you think about what each section in the CPU will do, electromagnetic noise, distance between components, etc, etc.That's right dumbfuck. Even though it's difficult to produce a CPU blueprint, it's actually far more difficult and time consuming to scan and count 1 billion transistors to try to reverse engineer them.>Exact locations? give me a breakThe your reverse engineered cpu blueprint is inaccurate, the entire chip won't even work, dumbfuck.That's why it's litterally impossible to reverse engineer a modern CPU.>It shows you are using DeepseekWrong, Dumbfuck spic.Modern EDA software pretty much have deepseek like assistance.
>>535864973>How do you plan on doing this with 0 experienceyou could start by understanding vacuum tubes to build prerequisite knowledge
>>535865475>you could start by starting from scratchKEK, dumbfuck britbong joins the chat.
>>535865547you have a long journey. good luck.
>>535843437>Poverty correlates with morality.So african negroes are exceptionally moral people because they are piss poor? I think you suffer from christophenia, a debilitating disease that makes you into a moron.
