Why do so many people think Russia is a third world shithole? It's as wealthy per capita as Portugal, Greece, and New Zealand. Does this look like something out of the third world?
>>535851265Wow a james bond villain's lair.
>>535851265this has Mirror's Edge feel
>>535851636This is what our subway stations look like (plus violent niggers)Glass houses and stones or something
>>535851265>why do people think Russia is a third world shithole>it's as wealth per capita as Portugalanon i....
>>535851830looks third world to me
>>535851762You ride the subway??I point and laugh at you.
>>535851265The entrenched corruption that even Putin can barely contain, more than anything. Extreme inequality, corruption, brain drain, the usual.
>>535851265Now show us a Russian small town and I'll show you an American small town.
Moscow is a Potemkin village that's kept clean and safe solely to service the most privileged class of European Russians and to put on a good front for the rest of the world while every district outside of it languishes. Drive an hour in any direction outside of Moscow and you'll be encountering dilapidated rural villages without paved roads and people living in pre-industrial conditions that have gone largely unchanged since the 1800s.
>>535852023exactly...
>>535851265>It's as wealthy per capita as Portugal, Greece, and New Zealand.NZ's is about triple Russia's.
>>535852361Over 10% of Russia lives in Moscow
>>535852548Look at PPP. You can't measure in USD because Russia is an American enemy.
>>535851265Is this the inside of the deathstar?
>>535852361>solely to service the most privileged class of European Russians>European
>>535851265Sshhh STFU retard, being an ex Soviet shithole shields you from the negro/jeet invasion, you don't want to become like France, Moortugal or UK, Poland was free but they have gained jew points recently
>>535851265>It's as wealthy per capita as Portugal, Greece, and New ZealandNo one thinks of those places as wealthy.
>>535852657>PPPNo that's a cope metric for an importation heavy economy.
>>535853225NZ is considered middling.
>>535851265>It's as wealthy per capita aswat>nz 52K>portugal 35K>greece 29K>russia $18.5K>Regional Disparities: Wealth is highly concentrated, with the nominal GDP per capita reaching roughly $32,000 in Moscow, compared to just $2,000 in lower-income federal subjects like Ingushetia.So basically 95% of the money is stolen by oligarchs and the rest of the 140,000,000 people don't get much.I will say, I used to work at a manufacturer that did business globally, and the Russians were quite honest compared to Indians or even Britons and Germans. India was impossible to do any sort of business with, and both our British and German distributors tried to fuck us over and steal our IP.
>>535852657>You can't measure in USD because Russia is an American enemy.kek
>>535853724>nominal>USD
lol gulaghomo faggots are gay
>>535851265Portugal, greece and new zealand are pretty rough in places. Russia however has large areas of depravity
>>535851265Russia is not a real country, it's st. Peter and Moscow and then barbarism around it.
>>535851265>It's as wealthy per capita as Portugal, GreeceLMAO nice one. I almost took you seriously for a moment
>>535851265>Names 3 tiny ass countries>portugal population 10 million>new zealand 5 million>greece 10 millionRussia population 150 million.
>>535853807USD is the most important currency globally. If you want to import shit you need to use USD, otherwise just like Russia you get stuck in situations where you take Indian Rupees which you can't use anywhere.
>>535851265Russia is a shit place to live if you're not a jew
>>535854126>USD is the most important currency globallyAm I supposed to argue that Russia has anywhere near the economic might and global reach of the USA? Because that's obvious nonsense. That doesn't mean it's poor though.
>>535851762>oldest subway station in new yorkold and sovlful. wouldn't want it any other way.
>>535853937They actually have a decent model where everyone fucks off to their dascha in the summer. It has a small town or campground feel if you have ever been to one in the US. But then winter comes and everyone fucks off back to the city. They do this because it’s fucking dumb cold with no let up so you are inside all winter. It’s not small towns like you have in the northeast, but it’s pretty comfy in its own way.
>>535852361>Potemkin villageNo, it's the capital of the "empire". All value that can be extracted from the land is transferred there. Meanwhile towns outside this little pocket of civilization are just as poor and underdeveloped as they were 100 years ago. People living there are willing to do the worst back breaking work for pennies. Or sign up the binding pact with the army and disappear.I swear the best measure of development in a country is the state of peripheral towns and rural shitholes, not The Big City.
>>535854312>That doesn't mean it's poor though.It is poor, I'm not comparing it to the US I'm saying they get fuck all USD. PPP is heavily weighted by agricultural products, you should compare HDI to measure wealth.
>>535851265Portugal is African tier. Stop pretending eurotrash are first world.
>>535854497But the places outside this pocket of civilization are completely unlike your towns and villages. It's poorfag hell. What is the biggest shithole in the US, known for its underdevelopment, poverty, unemployment, alcoholism and everything falling apart? Appalachia? Russian "glubinka" is much worse than that. It's also possible that the most retarded redneck pumping cheap beer in a trailer park lives like a king in comparison to them.
>>535854098Don't you understand per capita GDP either? Anyway, OP is wrong and a retarded faggot.New Zealand: $49,205 Portugal: $29,292Russia: $15,145We win.
>>535854655You could say the same thing about the US though. Middle class suburbs are being hollowed out, much of the actual consumer liquidity in the economy is injected via redistribution. The biggest difference between a place like the US and a place like Russia is that the state can redistribute more spending money to its lower classes.
>>535854584>use HDI...which uses PPP GDPCongratulations anon, you defeated yourself.
>>535854987>which uses PPP GDPNo it doesn't, it uses GNI. Because OPEC shitholes are shitholes for the majority of the population. And Russia is far below the rest of Europe in HDI.
>>535855089Nigger its GNI and GDP are almost the same>muh OPECRussia is a country of 140 million.>Russia is below the rest of EuropeBecause of life expectancy.
Greetings, ivan in idaho oblast.
>>535855508>GNI and GDP are almost the sameNo it's not, GDP is heavily distorted by capital markets. >Because of life expectancy.Russia's GNI is 15,320, Russia's life expectancy is 73. 73 is less than the 80 in most the rest of the world their GNI being nearly half to a third is why they're shit.
>>535854917Even the worst shithole in the US had generations to accumulate some wealth, property, etc.Meanwhile Russian peasants in XIX century were still treated as farm equipment, informally slaves, in the same way as plantation niggers in America. Then, there was communist terror which robbed the few rich "kulaks" and degraded everybody else. They are below us and it's just a fact, not an insult.
>>535854847They went feudalism straight to centralized planning though. There was never a 1950s small town thing.When they say no one lives there they mean it. Like it’s a ghost town can’t get groceries have to drive an hour and a half thing. But those were always like that. As far as I can tell it’s all just “where your grandma lives or use to live”
>>535855697Jesus you're obtuse. Russia's PPP GNI per capita (HDI uses PPP) is higher than Greece's. Life expectancy is the sole reason their HDI is lower than Greece. And that has nothing to do with how poor they are or how bad their infrastructure is or whatever.
>>535855704You don’t know how bad it’s gotten here. A huge chunk of the population is literally third world, coming from lower standards of living than the USSR had. And they’re not just here subsistence squatting they’re getting paid to be here and do nothing
>>535855946>HDI uses PPPNo it doesn't, it uses GNI. GNI is not calculated off of PPP. Because PPP is distorted by agricultural produce and a low income labour bias. Great if you want a service or to visit, shit if you want to live there.
>>535856178GNI isn't "calculated off PPP", HDI simply uses GNI adjusted for PPP. You're the one arguing for HDI and you don't even know what it is. Sad!
>>535851265>It's as wealthy per capita as Portugal, Greece, and New Zealand.LMAO
>>535856261>HDI simply uses GNI adjusted for PPP.No, GNI is typically calculated off of GDP. Because PPP is biased by low labour costs.
>>535856430I'm not arguing over whether PPP is useful or not. Just stating that PPP is what HDI uses. Do you even know what PPP is?>PPP is biased by low labor costsNo, nominal is the one that's biased. That's why HDI uses PPP lol.
>>535852361Moscow is the Polis with huge hinterlands. Every single ruble, raw material or talent is pumped straight into Moscow while hinterlands just exists.
>>535856637>Gross National Income (GNI) is calculated using Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as its starting point, not Purchasing Power Parity (PPP).>No, nominal is the one that's biased. No, PPP is as biased as GDP. Cheap massages and tuk-tuk rides are worthless when you need to import something.
>>535856820>The Human Development Index (HDI) is a statistical composite index of life expectancy, education (mean years of schooling completed and expected years of schooling upon entering the education system), and per capita income indicators, which is used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. A country scores a higher level of HDI when the lifespan is higher, the education level is higher, and the gross national income GNI (PPP) per capita is higher.>Cheap massages and tuk-tuk rides are worthless when you need to import something.Those are all given equal weight by PPP.
>>535852361Moscow is fucking shit. Overpopulated shit hole with tons of traffic. Yeah if you live within Sadovoe ring and never have to go outside of it it's alright or in some elite complex maybe. Most people live in pic related and this shit is new and considered good housing.
>>535851713Agreed, would much rather live in a truckstop in alberta somewhere.
>>535857133>tons of trafficYou're one to talk
>>535856957>The Human Development Index (HDI) is a statistical composite index of life expectancy, education (mean years of schooling completed and expected years of schooling upon entering the education system), and per capita income indicators, which is used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. A country scores a higher level of HDI when the lifespan is higher, the education level is higher, and the gross national income GNI (PPP) per capita is higher.https://scape.yellomind.com/the-human-development-index/>yellowmind.comThe UN uses the GDP method. The World Bank does too. This is called the Atlas method. Yellowmind.com doesn't.
>>535851265>>535851762>cherrypickingyawn
>>535857254That's just wrong. The UN uses PPP GNI
>>535855926>There was never a 1950s small town thing.Nobody at the east side of the Iron Curtain had a 1950s small town thing. And Russians still end up at the bottom, because their state has been openly treating them like shit since the times of tsars.
>>535857133Moscow is the only non-Chinese city that keeps up.
>>535857612>The UN uses PPP GNI>GNI per capita, calculated using the World Bank Atlas method. https://unterm.un.org/unterm2/es/view/unhq/8e1ac2ee-38d7-4c8b-b820-91b7bc8548d5
so many jews seething about russia here :D
>>535857948Jesus Christ that's not the statistic that the UN uses for HDI
>>535851265Moscow subway is the best in the worldAmeri'niggers are so dumb, it always blows their faggot minds
>>535858248Income classifications are set each year on 1 July. Thus, for example, in July 2008 countries' economies were divided according to 2007 GNI per capita, calculated using the World Bank Atlas method. The categories were: low income, GNI/capital of $935 or less; lower middle income, $936 - $3,705; upper middle income, $3,706 - $11,455; and high income, $11,456 or more.
>>535858517That's not HDI you retard
>>535858578It's how they calculate the GNI they use in it you retard.
>>535857133st petersburg is cuter, moscow is an acquired taste.russia on the whole is not for the faint hearted. >>535851265sad that based russia fell for the globohomo glass so called "modern" architecture meme just as much as everyone else. nobody gives a shit about this, nobody's raving about chingchong china or abu bubu sandniggerstan
moscow is only redeemed by the lovely stalinkas they built, everything else since then has been trash
>>535851762This is Left 4 Dead map.
>>535858692...and then they adjust for PPP
>>535851265Because it's a third world shithole
>>535859050>calculated using the World Bank Atlas methodNo they do not.
>>535858797>>535859024You're telling me this doesn't look incredible?
>>535859102This image is DIRECTLY from the UN
>>535859165>This image is DIRECTLY from the UNSo post a link to it on the UN website. I'll save you the time, there isn't one.
>>535859259https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/indicies/HDI
>>535859165>>535859259Oh no wait here it, under a fucking BLOG. https://www.undp.org/kyrgyzstan/blog/vision-action-past-present-and-future-human-development-kyrgyz-republicIt's in a blog not an actual report.
>>535851265Try again
>>535859503But services are so cheap in Russia (because they get paid about $10,000 a year)
>>535859109its OK but its incredibly generic and it doesn't impress anyone frankly, the uk guardian isn't writing articles about this, china, uae, saudi arabia and america has the same shit times a million.. a stalinist apartment and a stalinist metro station has infinitely more sovl, those apartments are very striking on the outside and inside, питepcкиe дoхoдныe дoмы тoжe
>>535859503>Muh GDPkys
>Russians Human Development Index .832 Below Serbia 0.833 and Kazahstan 0.837LMAO what a shithole
>>535859737Ugh. That's incredibly ugly. Better than a commieblock or some American copypasted nonsense, but it's not good. It's a middling pastiche of better styles.
>>535859892its bootiful and its soul ok. the tall ceilings, the greek columns. not your globohomo glass garbage
>Why do so many people think Russia is a third world shithole?Where to begin
>>535859957stalin was a peasant with no taste and those building show it
>>535859957I like the Seven Sisters, but they're more unique. Get more taste Ivan
>>535859957Tall ceilings and big windows are OK, but this...
russia is making the exact same mistake it was making in the 70s. one of poor taste, soviet boomers unironically thought exposed prefab concrete was "modern" and aesthetic, even though everyone in their heart knew it wasn't. instead of trying to imagine a future that nobody actually knows how it's gonna be like, you have to look at the past and build on top of that. wide base that thins out, greek columns, statues, ceramics, brick, plaster. those are fundamental. fuck glass fuck concrete
>>535860181Probably looked better when the concrete was white, before the pollution, mold and decades of neglect did their thing.
>>535860181That looks great though
>>535851265I've been to Russia before, Petersburg is run down and Moscow is Flint Michigan tier. Sorry your country suck valdisklav
>>535851265>Russia is a third world shitholeRussia is a third world shithole
This is the average australian kitchen
>>535861685Where are giant spiders and venomous snakes
>>535859109soulless sterile trash
