What's with leftists fetishizing China? I always see them gush over their infrastructure and economic development. They say "we could do that if only we were serious". Where "serious" means an autocratic ethnonationalist imperialist state? By their logic that's what it takes to get high speed rail. Not like I disagree.
>>535852418horseshoe theory
>>535852695Then why do leftists freak out when I say I want to deport 100 million brown people
>>535852418Mention that to them and they claim ethnostates like China and Japan would be even better with diversity. In their minds, all of the good things are due to government spending on things leftists like and is unrelated to one group making up over 90% of the population. What's really funny is that they'll sometimes point to African countries and quickly pivot when they realize how it makes them look racist. They'll also bring up Singapore, which is a tiny, mostly island, country that uses strict authoritarianism to keep the "diverse" Asians in check.
>>535852418According to Hasan Piker, that's where most of their money has been coming from. One particular Chinese jew is funding the vast majority of "progressive political action" in the US right now.
>>535852418Yeah... I cannot understand what you find wrong with any of it??? are you some kind of 60 years old NEET?? isn't Communists pro-Gulag anyways?
>>535853383Singapore is also like 75% Chinese
>>535853383>ethnostates like ChinaChina is not an ethnostate it has anti-discrimination laws. Like all communist countries it seeks to flatten the differences between its subjects. Also, the Han Chinese are an amalgamation ethnicity like "white american".
>>535854023>between its subjectsWho are almost entirely Han Chinese? Even their minorities (Turkic peoples) are indigenous to the region and mostly live in their own areas.>the Han Chinese are an amalgamation ethnicity like "white american".And?
>>535854135>almost entirely Han Chinese?56% are Han. China is a multiethnic empire, just like every other empire that has existed, including America
>>535854135>And?and they aren't an ethnostate any more than america was even when it is overwhelmingly white, because those whites were not all the same ethnicity and didn't all speak the same language. It's the same in China
>>535854558>56% are HanIt's 91% lol. I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.>just like AmericaAmerica was 90% white in the 20th century, and in the 19th century only white people were citizens. There's nothing stopping America from operating as a monoethnic country. It's been done in the past, and god willing will be done again.
>>535852418I don't think escalators that long would be safe with niggers around.
>>535854620>were not all the same ethnicityEthnicity is a social construct. The Chinese are one race and see themselves as one ethnicity. >didn't all speak the same languageIncreasingly untrue. Mandarin has been slowly taking over the entire country. This is no different to the modernization of European countries in the 18th and 19th centuries.
>>535852418Take six minutes and watch this cringe faggot talk about this. China is decades ahead of the U.S. and Americans remain in denial.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DH4v6FnbvM
>>535852418You say “autocratic ethnonationalist imperialist” like that’s a bad thing.
>>535852418China is nice because there are no Indians there
>>535852418I don't see the imperialist part.
>>535855068https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiativehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chinese_military_exercises_around_Taiwan
>>535854671America was never monoethnic>>535854758>Mandarin has been slowly taking over the entire country. This is no different to the modernization of European countries in the 18th and 19th centuries.They are pushing Mandarin just like the Soviets Russified the constituent republics.
>>535855174Based China
>>535855174>America was never monoethnicIt depends what you mean by ethnicity. America was monoracial, you'll admit that, right? And it was highly culturally diverse for a long time, nobody will dispute that. But I think in the modern age that cultural diversity is untenable with our freedom of movement and lack of any language barriers. If America were to become fully white again it would be monoethnic. And it would be just as successful. Why do you think an empire NEEDS to be multiethnic?>They are pushing Mandarin just like the Soviets Russified the constituent republicsNot at all. It's much more like France pushing Standard French or Italy pushing Standard Italian.
>>535855174>They are pushing Mandarin just like the Soviets Russified the constituent republics.GOOD
>>535855332America was never monoracial, africans have always been a significant minority, since the beginning. It was overwhelmingly European stock, and NW European stock at that for its foundational history, yes. By the late 1800's there were already tons of Southern, Central and Eastern european immigrants but yes they were still European stock. Race and ethnicity are not exactly the same thing but they are related and a dialectic in the non commie classical sense of the word. I think an empire is by DEFINITION multi-ethnic, it's a group of people ruling over another. The alternative is a nation-state, and true ones are very rare in history, and usually short lived. In most cases subsumed into some larger imperial project. Anyway, I hope you don't take me to be in favor of empires, I am very much not, I'm just trying to correct what I consider common misconceptions. >>535855332>Not at all. It's much more like France pushing Standard French or Italy pushing Standard Italian.I think a better comparison would be Germany pushing standard German.
>>535855797>America was never monoracial>AfricansThey weren't citizens for 100 years and the most they ever contributed to our success was as slave labor.>inb4 jazz musicMakes no difference to economy and military.>I think an empire is by DEFINITION multi-ethnic,America isn't an empire because of the land we hold, it's because of our global power projection.>I'm not in favor of empireThen what are you in favor of? My proposal is deportation of nonwhites and heavy investment in infrastructure and (continued investment in) military. What's your positive vision?>I think a better comparison would be Germany pushing standard GermanActually no, because that was less centralized than the other two.
>>535856145regardless of their actual contribution the fact that we fought our most destructive war over them makes them a major factor in our history. You can't just handwave a minority population that has had an outsized impact on the rest of population away because it goes against your claim that America was monoracial.>America isn't an empire because of the land we hold, it's because of our global power projection.it's both. America conquered or otherwise acquired lands that had existing foreign populations and rules them. America has multiple exclaves, some with high degree of autonomy like Puerto Rico and the Pacific territories. That alone is enough to make an empire. Then, as you say, yes, America via power projection and currency issue extracts tribute from the rest of the world. That proves my claim further, not yours. >Then what are you in favor of? My proposal is deportation of nonwhites and heavy investment in infrastructure and (continued investment in) military. What's your positive vision?actual nation-states, not multi-ethnic empires LARPing as them. That means homogenous populations and local rule, not some distant capital telling you what to do. >Actually nofine agree to disagree on the exact comparison. Regardless it's one ethnicity imposing it's will on another
>>535852418You can't be a nigger and compete with China.You can't be a nigger and win against Persia.Stop competing and stop fighting against humans, retarded monkey.
>>535856891>You can't just handwave a minority population that has had an outsized impact on the rest of population away because it goes against your claim that America was monoracial.America was monoracial because they weren't considered Americans.>actual nation-statesSo what does America become? You can't cleanly divide it on racial lines. We all move around the country all the time. I have family and friends everywhere. >it's one ethnicity imposing its will on another"Ethnicity" isn't real. Modern day Bavarians and Saxons both identify as German. Do you want to break them up now, after the fact?
>>535857213>America was monoracial because they weren't considered Americans.technically they were each considered 3/5ths of one>So what does America become? You can't cleanly divide it on racial lines. We all move around the country all the time. I have family and friends everywhere.nobody said it would be easy. freedom never is.>"Ethnicity" isn't real.it's a dialectic, as I mentioned above. It's both race and culture, and it's not completely rigid in that people can leave and join.>Bavarians and Saxons both identify as Germankekerino Bavarians identify as Bavarians first and foremost and would be happy to be their own state again.
>>535857748>nobody said it would be easyWhat's your plan? Genuinely what do you want to do? Sheparding the different races into different regions would honestly be harder than just getting rid of all the nonwhites.
>>535857866to be honest I'm really not sure, it's not easy. But I don't need a full solution to know the status quo is exploitive bullshit. I'd say we need to start at a bare minimum with something like people who have no ancestor who was here before 1965 need to GTFO
>>535857993>people who have no ancestor who was here before 1965 need to GTFOYou know that's basically my plan right? If you're doing 60% of the work why not just remigrate all of the nonwhites? We wouldn't have to split up the country and we also wouldn't have to deal with blacks anymore.
>>535852418>"we could do that if only we were serious".they cant do it eithershouldnt be that hard to stop your literal capital city from flooding ever year. but apparently it is. and thats the capital, forget about out in the boonies. they put literal billions into these dumb performative infra projects, and literally everything else just ends up getting chinked out onas confuckus once said>if ya can cheat, cheatand they rly took that one to heartas for the why does anyone fall for it?theyre commies and they consoom state media thats literally tailored for them
>>535858065yeah there is a logic to your plan. maybe we just embrace being an empire openly, one with a strict enumerated hierarchy. a lot of the problem is pretending equality is real
>>535858331No fuck that we should be a white ethnostate
>>535854023>93% one ethnicity isn't an ethnostateYou need to just kys dude
>>535854558>56 ethnic minorities >56% Are you drunk right now?
