A K-shaped economy is one with a relatively large upper/upper-middle class (in the US, around 30% of households are UMC or above), a small traditional middle class, and a large number of poors. Americans traditionally see themselves as part of an 'O'-shaped economy, with a small number of people at the top and bottom, and most people in the middle. In an 'O' system, the health of 'the economy' as a whole is largely linked to the fortunes of the middle class.But that is outdated. With such a large UMC class, the K-shaped economy can sustain itself with spending and economic participation from wealthier people alone. There are 78,000 households in the US worth more than $100 million. Their consumer spending alone is greater than tens of millions of middle/lower-class households. Even if 70% of the population becomes impoverished, 'the economy' as a national-level system will remain stable and even 'prosperous.' Here's what it means in practice:>More people overall can afford 'luxury' goods>Fewer people overall can afford middle-market goodsFor example, beef at $15/lb or more becomes a bit of a 'luxury' good for a lot of people. But not for the UMC; their price point is higher than that. The beef industry can increase profits by increasing prices and having ⅓rd of the market pay for everything, even if less volume (poundage) is sold overall.That's how the 'K' works. This is a very tough thing for most Americans to accept, conceptually. It doesn't feel 'right.' It feels 'unfair.' But it's exactly what is happening.The solution is to get into the UMC as quickly as possible, at any cost. AI and technology will generally lead to the calcification of economic status. Upward mobility will become tougher rather than easier. You probably have 3 to 5 years to pull it together and become UMC, or else your entire future lineage will become one of history's losers.
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when do the guillotines come out in this system?
>>535873159Potentially never. Which is another thing Americans don't want to hear, but it makes sense. First, having nearly a third of the population invested in the system is quite a lot. It's not a revolutionary situation where a fraction of a percent is facing off against everyone else.Second, the prosperous third will have access to increasingly good surveillance and protection technologies. We already see this in places like South Africa, where poors attempting home invasions are now getting spotted and neutralized by drones and private security before getting through the gates.
>>535873159We're not doing that. You're getting culled.
>>535873009It’s true. I’m poor. I’ve cut down on so many things. Or cut them completely out. Like eating out. I drive alot less. I’ve started buying economy brand items. But relatives that are better off literally haven’t changed their spending habits. Literally eat out several times a week. Buy new vehicles. Are planning their summer vacation. It sucks.
>>535873009Cyclonopedia actually sucks, but I agree with your point and btw UMC household income is ~$600k in rural areas, significantly higher in urban areas. >t rural UMC, family owns ~230 unit total across 3 parks
>>535873009k-shape economy isn't about wages, it's about boomers who lived through an unprecedented economic period who accumulated a lot of wealth and now they're spending that wealth. the housing market is driven by people 50+. the wealth is going to the coasts and a few cities. it will probably just stay there, though a lot of wealth will also leave the usa.
>>535874431No it is about income, big 4 accounting firms are paying entry level positions $300k
>>535873272Bullshit. No one starves politely You will see your children’s heads torn off on the streets, Mr UMC.
>>535873009Another word for a K shaped economy is a country on the brink of revolution and/or collapse.18th century France was a K shaped economy as well
>>535875904>18th century FranceYeah, that shit was totally organic, uh-huh.
I came from poverty and I make about $150k a year. America is a cake walk compared to most of the world. Go live in Mexico, or the Philippines for a while. Those people are poor. Most foreigners I know are Russian and they all got rich as fuck here because it is easy to make money. Y'all are just too scared to actually take a risk.Think of life like this, you can take a safe $40k a year job and barely make it or you can flip a coin and possibly make good money or end up broke as shit. Most of you take the $40k and bitch about us that actually worked and took a risk for our money.
>>535873009op has a k shaped butthole
>>535873009Bump
>>535875277Read history, retard. Lower class are the soldiers in the war of the upper-middle class and the high class. It always been like that.
>>535873009No shit Sherlock, mass immigration from poor 3rd world countries added a colossal amount of poors. Its a different world now here in the USA thanks to immigration.
Oh, someone heard last year's buzz word and thinks it's profound.Here's what the distribution actually looks like for anyone who cares about useful information.It's a left-leaning bell curve with an aberrant peak to the far right.
>>535876241that peak on the right is only there because you cropped the x-axis and combined bins (200 to 250 and 250+), if you didn't it would just trail off and decay as you would expect. inequality is from assets, not income
>>535876241I wish these bar charts would clarify gross income or net income.
>>535873159Good luck getting through the AI powered drone swarm they have now
>>535876127Politically supported by the upper class, otherwise they would all have gone bankrupt long ago. The only glimmer of hope is that the shitskin masses will turn against the upper class once the resources are no longer sufficient to feed them. It's seriously worth considering letting things take their course and only eliminating the shitskins once they've taken out the upper class.
>>535873009I think the economy will become AK-47 shaped 2bh famiglia
>>535873272>potentially never>he doesnt know you can build a drone to murder politicians for under 3000 bucks
>>535876486>AI powered drone swarmMusk's AI can't even drive a car, as his pilot project in texas has shown.
>>535874214I feel like this suicidal race to AI is due to rich people and politicians realizing they have something to accomplish whatever their long term goal is. Like searching for the Ark of the Covenant your whole life and thinking you found it in a mountain but now you have to buy a stupid amount of dynamite to get to it which could bankrupt you but you feel the power it will give you is worth the risk
>>535876486The AI are not gonna mine the metal and plastics, mold them, build the drones, assemble them, transport them and deliver them too.It takes a whole lot of population to have these supply chains.And we're decades away from simply automating that. Can't be done overnight, if it ever gets done.
>>535876672A car needs to navigate a complex street and not break laws or kill anyone. A drone just needs to fly in the open air and scan for heads to blow up in
>>535876735>The AI are not gonna mine the metal and plastics, mold them, build the drones, assemble them, transport them and deliver them too.Well yea duh they will have that before they turn on us
>>535873009>K-shaped economyThis is a Chinese/Russian leftist demoralization meme, most Americans are doing fine.
>>535876766Maybe in 2056But they're not getting there in one piece
>>535876120The upper class are cowards.
>>535875277Nice fantasy, but it won't happen
>>535876463What would you define as gross income?Sewage treatment? exotic dancer?Also are fisherman really that much of the economy to have a category dedicated to them?
>>535876711I feel that since 2007 they have printed so much money that they had to create a new investment bubble where the money could flow.
>>535876120Like the history of France? Money doesn’t make you bullet proof.
>>5358768022035 max. They are getting all the data needed for this in the Ukraine
>>535876825You don’t know that.Wait and see. You need to believe you can’t be touched but you absolutely can. See you around.
>>535876241>aberrant peak to the far rightNo, the second from the left bar is ten bars combined and the last one is everyone >250. There is no actual peak.
>>535876745It doesn't make much difference in terms of analyzing sensor data.
>>535876825It will happen if things get dire and people can't afford shitThey're just gonna go out, burn police stations then head for the hills to burn down the mansions
>>535876866Wtf can they get in Ukraine, the country is mostly poor babushkas and ill old men.
>>535876516You are THIS close to consciousness. Lol
>>535876984It is much less complexity and they have an entire war going on as we speak to practice this>>535877043The US Military has already updated the M1 Abrams to deal with drone warfare due to the data they are collecting in the Ukraine war. That war exists and continues to go with no end because multiple countries are using it as a proxy war to gather data and test new military technology.
>>535873009>(in the US, around 30% of households are UMC or above)the fuck does the United Methodist Church have to do with income/economy?
>>535876828Simple. Anything that lands into your bank account including deducting for taxes or anything else is net income therefore whatever that was derived from is the gross income.
>>535877014Most people can't imagine how fragile civilization is. A few decades of good living were enough for no one to have any idea what happens when resources become scarce, for whatever reason.
>>535873009>in the US, around 30% of households are UMC or aboveThat's not correct.Here's the wealth distribution. Bottom 50% own basically nothing. 50th to 90th percentile own 30%. 90th to 99th percentile own 37% and the top 1% own 30%.So about 10% of the population are upper middle class or above.>>535873009>For example, beef at $15/lb or more becomes a bit of a 'luxury' good for a lot of people. But not for the UMC; their price point is higher than that. The beef industry can increase profits by increasing prices and having ⅓rd of the market pay for everything, even if less volume (poundage) is sold overall.It would be 10% of the market. So you'd have to increase prices ten fold to make the same profits selling 10% as much beef and you couldn't do that because international trade and even a limited degree of competition between meat packagers would create an economic incentive to sell at a lower price to exploit the remaining 90% of the market that couldn't afford the luxury good.Your scenario flies in the face of actual economics. In reality what you're more likely to see is a stratification of luxury goods vs. low cost goods. Producers will create luxury goods at very high prices to cater to the top 10% who can afford them while driving down the quality of lower class goods to create affordable products for the remaining 90% who can't afford quality any more.
>>53587332070% against 30% won’t matter what weapons you have.
>>535877335Civilization depended completely on us keeping the 3rd world out of the 1st and we failed at that. Specifically boomers. Everything is just going to go to shit now and get corrupt and there is no future without some large scaled war again which IMO is going to be a world war of civil wars that is going to explode once shit like the epstein names leak or we get hard confirmation that our leaders hate us and are trying to kill us. Whatever the "good times" were are getting worse daily and none of us will live to see "good times" like the post WW2 world but we may have a chance to see the next big conflict. Maybe. This is a slow burn though and we may just die during the decline which would suck.
>>535873009OK I figure out what your problem is. You want to start using every letter in the fucking alphabet to describe "the economy".That way you now have 26 other fucking excuses to explain the same fucking thing that's been happening since the beginning of human civilization and can always be boiled down, or distilled, if you'd prefer your more colorful bullshit sprinkled word salad language, into two simple concepts. Remember KISS? Keep It Simple, Stupid:Haves.Have-nots.It really is that fucking simple. No need for K shapes, O shapes, or F U C K Y O U shapes. We currently experience a D I L D O economy.Haves.Have-Nots.That's it.The only jobs the "HAVES" have is to make sure the "HAVE-NOTS" are kept busy doing all the work without realizing how badly their share of the stuff to HAVE keeps shrinking, and that they don't all get together and decided to take what they don't have from the "HAVES".If they do decide to do that, then it all falls apart.It's always been that way. Always has been, always will be.
>>535877555trips makes it true, so fuck off with your "letter shaped" economies.
Yes retard we get it>You won;t do shitContinue spamming, I'm sure no one iwll ever find out your address my little eglinnigger.
>>535873159They don't. Instead a Knight class is paid to kill any Peasants that try to Rebel against the Nobles. >>535877505>70% against 30% won’t matter what weapons you have.A tiny number of Knights can use automated killing machines to gun down, bomb, gas, poison, etc tens of thousands of people at a time. With Palantir's AI powered surveillance, you'll be killed the moment your cortisol level indicates excessive dissatisfaction at your currently reduced bug slop allotment. >>535876007>I make about $150kYou are poor as shit. You and your family, along with the rest of us, will be priced out of happiness.That is what OP is talking about. Not $15 a pound steak, $1,500 per pound steak.
UMC is a meme, really that's just regular middle class. Middle class really just means that you're poor but you have a few nice things so you don't hate your life and you can look down on others. It's like being Mexican, sure you're not white, but at least you're not black.
>>535877861>You are poor as shit. You and your family, along with the rest of us, will be priced out of happiness.>That is what OP is talking about. Not $15 a pound steak, $1,500 per pound steak.Dude OP is economically illiterate and so are you if you think that makes any sense.
>>535873272It took like 2-5% of the population to start a revolution against the Brit’s dude numbers a lot smaller than you think.
>>535878183I worked in a bookstore during the 2nd Obama term. Some boomer used to come every month and buy the same "Economics for Dummies" book and I asked him why he keeps buying the same book and he says he mails it to the white-house every month hoping Obama reads it one day
>>535876825It’s happening
>>535877861Now who’s embracing fantasy? Let’s extend your mass death model. Say you kill off all of the people who aren’t in your clique. At that point your model will have to adjust to provide workers and owners again. However this will have to occur among the privileged class who are equally matched in force- bloody. Also, this model will always fail ultimately against finite resources and eventually your model of entirely fighting to be the king of hell will fall apart without the social cooperation necessary to sustain a functional society. Also, if you win the 70/30 war you’ll still absorb losses. You think you have this all sown up but you don’t.
>>535877861Happiness cannot be transacted
>>535873009>>535873272>A third of the population is upper middle classNot true. You need an income of just $67k a year to be in the top 30%. That’s hardly “upper middle class”. Only 5% of the population have a net worth of $2.5 million or above. Only 5% of earners make above $160k a year. For some reason, you want us to believe that the group of rich people is much larger than it really is. 90% of people in America are working class/poor.
>>535878575I think personally those in power will eventually lose by default because its generations of nepo babies and not actually skilled people and that will be their undoing. Same reason monarchies never work because all it takes is one retard son to ruin everything
>>535878662When there is no one around who can do the work of making a wheel it won’t matter that the wheel was ever invented. This is what the investment class fails to understand when the say a portfolio does “work”.
>>535873009You are you right about all but the solution.The proper solution is to try and create a more equitable division of things. If you don't then history will repeate itself and the dreamy new gilded age will be shattered by social instability.
>>535878776Yea personally I think we are eventually and sadly going to do a civilization reset. Probably waste the next 200-300 years declining then a war then the rebuild phase and hopefully the "good" guys win and we ethnically cleanse every brown person and jew because otherwise the cycle will just repeat again.
>>535877861I work in the USA for 3 month then go live where our currency is worth more retard. Shit is dumb fucking expensive here. Mexico, Vietnam, even fuck Japan is cheaper than here. I'd never live here again, just stay here while I am working. You can MAKE a shit ton of money in the USA. >>535878662I agree, nature abhors stability.
>>535876486>turn on a spark-gap generator>the drones fall out of the skyNothign personnel.
>>535878657When you look at spending power, you have to look at household income (not just individuals) and savings/assets. The top 30% is gradually seceding from the rest of the economy in its capacity to spend, while others have to cut back.The recent developments in the airline industry are a good example of this. Spirit went bust because the 'budget traveler' market is simply not wealthy enough anymore to keep the flights going. But airlines as a whole are having more success by offering pricier services to wealthier clients.
>>535878662I think their plan is to import a natural slave-caste like Indians to work as middle-managers overseeing the machines which control everyone else. 'Rebellion' will be people attacking the middle managers, which is fine by the elites, since they can simply be replaced by more Indians.
>>535877861>>535878183For educational purposes let me explain why OP is economically illiterate.Lets say someone is making $1,500 a pound steak for the super rich. That doesn't mean that there isn't a market for $150 a pound steak, $15 a pound steak or $5 a pound steak. If someone can make money supplying a demand then someone is going to fill that demand. The existence of the $1,500 a pound steak doesn't mean that someone isn't going to be selling cheaper steaks.The only way you get $1,500 a pound steak with no other options is if there is no supply for the cheaper demand. Like in Onions Green where there is no land left to raise beef so the small amount of steak that's left is only for the ultra wealthy. Unless something happens to disrupt the markets ability to create a profitable supply at a given price point then someone will meet that demand.
>>535879257>steak left for the ultra wealthyLUIGI
>>535879257In real-life, meat processing is done by a handful of mega-facilities and the 'food supply' chain is increasingly consolidated into a handful of distributors like Sysco. If they make a top-down decision to raise the price of beef (and they have), the price rises. If they want to choke production or reduce production, they just jerk the farmers around a bit until those farmers abandon cattle entirely.
Honestly, I believe it OP. American have guns but they'll never use them, actually American are more likely to use guns against another American in the same social class because they're Democrat/Republican than those fucking them over. The UMC will rule and those below them will be nothing more than mindless masses stuck in a perpetual bread circus.
>>535879214I think their plan is true automation which can't support 8.3 billion people. Cut it down maybe to a billion maybe less and restart humanity in their image. We are dealing with real evil satanic shit here. They pray to giant Owl Gods to give them moral justification to do this. You remember during Covid Tom Hanks tweeted weird shit? I don't think it's because he is a pedo I think it just shows you the insane disconnect mentally from a person of that class and us.
>>535873009American economy may "adapt" but the sociopolitical system and culture will not. USA isn't India with 6 thousand years of caste system tradition or Latin America where injuns moved from the jungle straight to favella, America held on trust and social contract, once the masses realize that the American dream is dead for real this time and forever, shit may get ugly. Those 78000 better have minefields and drone walls ready around their households and whatever assets make them rich, cause rentacops aren't gonna cut it.
>>535879465Arguments like this are low IQ because you are part of the class you are mocking since you aren't raising your gun either
>>535879364Right; but why wouldn't they want to make money? If you've got the capacity to produce meat at a price point and sell it for a profit then you will.Now you might set up a price fixing cartel system to keep prices artificially high; but you're not going to keep the prices so high that people can't afford your product any more. Supply and demand curves dictate the ideal price to sell where quantity X price = profit. If you drive prices up above the point where the quantity of sales goes down so much that it offsets the profits from higher prices then you need to bring prices down to maximize profit.So just because a cartel system could fix a price to screw you doesn't mean they will if doing so means they won't be able to sell their product.
>>535879509You're right and I would call myself a coward because I wouldn't even try it. Actually if anyone would actually try it they would be forgotten about relatively quickly. The powers that be would conduct their bread circus to get people arguing with each other. I enjoy my life, I'm living comfortably, luxury is luxury but I don't really care for luxury unless it's for my hobbies.
>>535875277you wont do shit.the best you guys can do is summon up a nigr chimpout.the women wont do shit because theyre pussies, most of you are idiots, its absolutely hopeless. better give up.
>>535874756lol no. try 65-70k for audit and tax, maybe 90k for entry level consulting.anyway, there's no such thing as entry level big 4 anymore, that's all in india.seniors are around 110-125.
>>535879672>ze nigerian chimpoutordinary citizens rarely receive justice anyway, adolf
>>535879526I'm telling you that this doctrinaire 'econ 101' stuff is not how it works in real-life. For one thing, almost no farmers are even raising cattle 'naturally.' A modern cattle farm is a bunch of pricey machinery and medications and a whole technological chain just to keep the animals alive and in marketable condition.Then there are all the issues with water rights, land prices (cattle ranch vs. data center, etc.), feed prices, feed production, and so on. There is no simple 'market' with 'producers' and 'consumers.' An industry like modern cattle ranching is the end product of a whole heap of technologies and policies.A 'natural' cattle system without antibiotics or the technology chain would probably result in a 90% reduction in cattle population due to the need to give them more land to graze and the deaths of many specimens which were not able to survive without modern veterinary interventions. And the price of beef would soar anyway.The reason prices are rising is because the profit is turning out to be greater when the budget market is abandoned in favor of those who can pay.
>>535873009>The beef industry can increase profits by increasing prices and having ⅓rd of the market pay for everything, even if less volume (poundage) is sold overallThey make up the balance by selling what would have gone to the middle class and cannot be sold to the lower class, overseas. In all practical effect and ensuing outcome, preferencing foreigners over its own people / economy / society / nation. This is process of cannibalisation; because, eventually, the middle class disappears entirely, the lower class predominates, which no longer leaves a kind of economy that can prop up the nation -- i. e., the spending of 78,000 cannot support 350M living in a welfare, because one person still only needs one pillow--even if it costs $1,000. Moreover, those "luxury" goods have to be made somewhere, and given it's not locally or the West (even the likes of Germany are similarly collapsing), the goods themselves will cease to be of luxury quality -- rather, just overpriced garbage -- and their allure will diminish. Indeed, with the illusion lost that the masses could themselves attain luxury goods, the very status of such goods is erased... even if those good were still being made.There has to be poor for there to be the rich. The problem is that greed has skewed the balance too far towards the latter, and now the dynamic is teetering on the precipice of collapse. Throw in the turd world influx, and you have the ingredients for a collapse that will be too big NOT to fail.>"Why are elites building bunker mansions?", for ₪6,000,000, Alex
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>>535873009Canada has a "D" shaped economy, as in daammnnnn. I'm stuck here.
>>535879781>>535879781>A modern cattle farm is a bunch of pricey machinery and medications and a whole technological chain just to keep the animals alive and in marketable condition.>>535879781>Then there are all the issues with water rights, land prices (cattle ranch vs. data center, etc.), feed prices, feed production, and so on.Right, that's called supply costs and overhead. Its the costs you have to pay to make the profit. So if those costs go up then the sale price necessary to make a profit goes up. If supply costs go up enough then something becomes a luxury good that only the rich can afford like real wasabi. Real wasabi is a huge pain in the ass to grow so it has very high supply costs which limits production capacity and means its only profitable at a high price.These factors exist for beef; but they're not going to drive things to $1,500 a pound beef unless there's some massive environmental disaster that makes raising cattle near impossible.>The reason prices are rising is because the profit is turning out to be greater when the budget market is abandoned in favor of those who can pay.Again dude, supply and demand curves control this and those sort of ultra inflated beef prices just aren't within the realm of possibility under current conditions.A better example would be what's happened to the car industry. They all figured out they could make more money selling cars with lots of features to suckers who were willing to go into a huge amount of debt to buy a new car so for the past decade we've seen car prices go up and up and up because the luxury models were more profitable than the base models. Now though every sucker willing to go into huge debt has already maxed out their credit so the market for the over priced cars is gone and new car sales are cratering so the auto companies are all working on making more economy models.
>>535880157Some economic autist posted a video a while back (prior to the #Scamdemic), wherein he outlined how CanIndia would be the first country to fail in the coming global economic collapse that the "GFC" was the tremor for. I can't recall details of what he said (I think it was over my head anyway), as it was about a two-hour ramble set to a live exchange screen... Howevr, the general gist of it had to do with the CND and how it was the most over-valued currency on Earth -- perhaps, in relation of the literal nothing that the country produces... dunno -- and hat once it was revealed that the Hindustani satrap had no clothes, and it went Weimar, its indebted and, now, ex-manufacturer powerhouse U. S. would follow soon thereafter.Now, given how every economy is going all-in on the "A. I." meme -- even thought it seems only to kill economies, not bolster them; and even after being fist-fucked by the first Dot Com bubble -- it does kind of reconcile with it being a collative Hail Mary pass to try and stave off (or delay) what that autist was implying was going to be a WHEN, not an IF.>IIRC, the timeline was ten years from when he posted
>>535873159No American would ever dare do anything like that. I'm not even talking about just fedposting. No American will ever overthrow Jewish power because everyone here is completely beholden to Jews and permanently brainwashed to serve them no matter what. The worse it gets the more all Americans will double down on supporting this country and working hard for it. Every American is a happy slave.
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>>535878662Most monarchies aren't autocratic dictatorships, the monarch typically has power similar to the executive head of state in the USA.
>>535873009I fucking hated Cyclonopedia
>>535873272The guillotines don't come out. Tyrone and his crew bust into your million dollar home at 3am and you've been too busy enjoying the high life to have trained for a home invasion.>I'll move to the mountains!Pacho and his crew have an in with the logistics company that hauls all your shit. It gets lifted before you ever see it.>I'll use drones to bring my groceries!Now your lifestyle is getting cost prohibitive. Do you really provide that much value to justify your income or are you a finance grifter like the rest of them?No one gives a shit about the guy Luigi shot because everyone knows there are a thousand more assholes lined up to take his place.There's always a seat open in the casino.
Why is /pol/ all outspoken communists now?I'm especially noting that Overton window where it used to be>lmao gommunism is when there's free healthcare the koch brothers got u goodbut now it's very open>IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION OF THE PROLETARIAT AGAINST THE BOURGEIOUSE
>>535873009Middle class is dead.
>>535880967People will do whatever the fuck suits them at the present moment. Are you honestly looking for moral integrity from a humangroid, of all creatures?
>>535873009Find something to sell to rich people.
demoralization thread
>>535880967The LARPing of being le HECKING MIGA and gosh hecking chungus 100 fashy bois was fun until the economy started going to shit even harder and people started to worry about food on the table and a roof over their heads. Funny how that works, innit?
>>535873159French Revolution larp don't work when 30% of the population are "the rich" and the living standards of "the poor" are better than 90% of the rest of the world's inhabitants. It takes a lot to get a normalfag riled up. Wait until soup lines and shanty towns make a comeback before you start sperging about commie shit.
>>535878249And who were that 2-5%? Oh yeah, the leaders of every American industry at the time, including owners of the media (papers and pamphlet writers) with an extensive network of implicit support among the population. Fuckin' moron.
>>535879257>there is no land left to raise beefYou'll never guess who's buying up tens of thousands of acres of farmland and doing nothing at all with it
>>535881533Oh yeah, they're also putting solar panels on it for data centers which fucks up the land so you can't go back to farming.If there's a way for the elites to profit from destroying society they'll take it. I simply question their willingness to lose money in order to destroy society.
>>535880614Canada produces good vibes and awesome memes. I don't know what you mean that we produce nothing. Why just the other day, I made a post in a thread that was quickly deleted.
>>535873009>The solution is to get into the UMC as quickly as possible, at any costNo it aint. The solution is to either raise wages or lower the price of meat.
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>>535873009There's not a problem with the economy. Adjusted for age, homeownership rates for Millennials and Gen Z are nearly identical to the rates that Boomers and Gen X became homeowners. The overall homeownership rate in the US has been in the 60-70% range since the post WWII economic boom. There has always been about 1/3 of the US population who were poorfags who couldn't ever afford to own a home.Adjusting for inflation AND square footage, houses aren't significantly more expensive than they were in the past.The majority of millennial women have had at least one kid. By the end of their childbearing years, over 80% of them will have had kids. The majority of Zoomettes will have had at least one child by the time they turn 30.There is not some system-wide, universal economic problem. It's a (You) problem. It only seems like things have gotten worse for you because you grew up in a middle or upper middle class family with parents who had decent jobs. But you have slipped several rungs down the socioeconomic ladder into near poverty, primarily because you are a lazy, undisciplined, failure to launch fuckup at life. Meanwhile, most of your same age peers have decent jobs and are getting married and having kids and starting families and buying houses because they aren't losers like you.Sucks to suck, git gud loser.
>>535876007>gambling for penniesYou sold your soul for a pittance. Sad! Many such cases. Enjoy the slot machines. It'd be ashamed if you lost it all.
>>535881450You know people killed the rich and took their shit long before communism was an ideology?If things get too bad its a natural reaction for conflict, however that also doesnt mean the poor will win, they are infact on a large scale statistically more likely to lose.
America is an N based economy. Where 10 iq union make 300k a year. And that's the good part of it.
>>53588486666of course not everything is perfect and random
>>535881722Touché!
>>535879257>>535879526>>535880228This all assumes a free market, which we don't have. This is not to say we'll ever see a luxury beef as norm. It does mean however, that you're doctrinaire pilpul does not preclude it, or for that matter any middle point between extremes. Practice differs from theory, and contemporary economic practice, as well as its media apparatus, allows for a greater degree of profiteering without the hitherto boomerang of an eternally buckbroken populace.
>>535873272>economy is one with a relatively large upper/upper-middle class (in the US, around 30% of households are UMC or above)imagine believing that
>>535873009You need consumption and engineer overproduction to maintaine Serra n technologies...Jus look at India... You going to tell me they don't have enough millionaires for a functioning economy?...
>>535884866Sounds like a cope-and-paste from a decade ago. A majority of US women between 20 and 40 have been childless for a while now. The point is that the economy is changing for the worse for most Americans, and to prepare.
>>535876120>It always been like that.No it wasn't.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquerie
>>535885576>This all assumes a free market, which we don't haveNot really. It merely assumes a profit motive. Even if you have an oligarchic cartel system rigged by the regulatory state they still have to sell products at prices consumers can afford.You can push people to the breaking point; but if you push them beyond that then they just stop buying your overpriced shit because they can't afford it.Exceptions are government contracts since the government is spending other people's money and doesn't care how much it pay and insurance schemes since the consumer is already paid in and has no individual motivation for lower prices since the insurance is paying. Accordingly the most out of control prices in our system are either government contracts or insurance contracts.
>>535873159bro, jealousy is an ugly feeling
>>535873009My question is if one could eliminate the poors, would civilisation function about the same?
>>535885659Tell us about how much effort you put into building a life for yourself and how "the system" held you back.
>>535874756Naa. You're thinking partner.
>>535885874I did well by the system. This is a thread about general trends, not individual anecdotes. I'm not warning any specific individual about the coming economic shifts; I'm giving generalized advice applicable to anyone.
>>535876120What is interesting about today is that there doesn't seem to be the classical motives to fight. I don't think we're going to be seeing any large scale wars from the West, because everyone I know would simply refuse to participate. What is there to fight for, exactly? If the elites want something like that (they don't) they'd need to totally restructure society (they won't). I think we're more set against ourselves than at any other country in the world; ultimately this is a good thing.
>>535885721>...they still have to sell products at prices consumers can afford.Hence slop. Regardless, nothing you said runs counter to what I posted. You're part of a death cult. Best case, you're being paid to shill. You probably aren't. May Allah have mercy on you.
>>535873009Don't let them normalize this. They are trying to justify wealth distribution being like this, but you don't have to accept it. Vote accordingly.
>>535886203>Hence slop.Yeah, you can make products shittier.>>535886203>You're part of a death cult. Best case, you're being paid to shill. You probably aren't.I don't know where you're getting this.I haven't posted anything particularly positive about our economic system.
>>535885981>I got mine so fuck you
>>535876007Clown casino economics is gay and jewish.
>>535873009>The real shape of the economy:
>>535875277Idk man, the elites have been pinning the poor against each other all throughout history. It’s the same formula here, things haven’t changed much. My advice to you all as someone who grew up poor, invest invest invest. As the dollar loses more of its value and ultimately its reserve currency status the stock market will continue Its upward trajectory.
>>535873009>your entire future lineage will become one of history's losers.Human race is a sad long unfunny joke, so everyone's a loser here, rich or not. Money can buy your attention for a while, but the dread of existence and death is the same for everyone.
>>535885874>Tell us about how muchMax and max
>>535886569Profound I have the same questions about everything no matter how much money I have It’s not just about money lol
>>535886547Absolutely.
>>535886547>Give your money to people who hate you
>>535886569>Money can buy your attention for a whileMoney gives you back the time you lose trying to attain it. Time is everything. Time is valuable.
>>535873009>A K-shaped economy is one with a relatively large upper/upper-middle class (in the US, around 30% of households are UMC or above)>householdsgoypilled cope, stopped readingyou're not middle class just because your "household" has an income above a certain threshold if that income doesn't enable you having 3+ kids comfortably and owning a house of sufficient size>be homeless>bunk with 20 jeets>you're upper middle class nowepic
>>535886737The people that hate us will always be in a position of power. They know what they’re doing and when things go tits up their back fall will be “well you should’ve invested….we gave the American people every opportunity to invest” and that’ll be it. I know you think investing is a scam but it really isn’t it. There are valuable “assets” in the stock market and you need to get in on it now before it’s too late.
>>535886280>I haven't posted anything particularly positive about our economic system.Upon further reflection, this checks out. Got lost in the sauce.Many blessings.
>>535886737It's that or let it evaporate into thin air. There is always precious metals, real assets, etc. Investing isn't always direct depositing a Jew so he can more efficiently murder children, although seeing as it's apparently good business, it may not be the worst financial decision for you.
>>535886844There's no us. I buy what I like and like what I buy (buffet). But what I'm saying is no one should feel pressured into buying a stock just to protect their purchasing power.
>>535886761It's not even "30%" OP is trying to inflate the people in the club on purpose because he is in it. The K shaped theory shows most of the wealth is concentrated in single digit % between 1-5%, not even close to 30%. It's whoever makes at least $1 million a year and above.
>>535885659>A majority of US women between 20 and 40 have been childless for a while nowYes, 59% of women between 20 and 40 are childless. Primarily because that 20-40 age group includes a LOT of women in their early to mid 20s who haven't had kids yet. By 30, the majority of them will have had at least one kid, and by 45 over 80% of them will have had kids. Neither of those statistics have changed significantly in decades, and there is no indication that they will change significantly in the foreseeable future.
>>535886908So this thread is just to get more people to help tech companies pump their stocks?
>>535884866Harsh. But fair? One wonders..
>>535887089Everyone I know hasn't had kids or multiple miscarriages.
>>535887089They are just trying to get the Trump bucks before the well runs dry
>>535887122It's to get more anons non-destitute. You can choose where and how you invest.
>>535879257I can’t fucking believe there’s people out there that are so stupid they STILL buy this facile retardation. You’re falling for the “economic theory” equivalent of bed time stories for children with downs.
>>535873009>A K-shaped economy is one with a relatively large upper/upper-middle class (in the US, around 30% of households are UMC or above)100k a year household income is not Upper middle class. They havent adjusted that classification for inflation in decades. Good bait though!
>>535887320People don't have money left over at the end of the month to invest. I work basically full time, have a decent sized small business, and my mortgage is $500 a month. Im barely treading water after cracking a tooth crown. I would say im in a pretty good position and its still grim.
>>535885981>general trends,OK, the "general trend" is that this country is over 50% non-white sub-human orcs. Anybody struggling to get up to average is either brown or not trying. >>535886239>wealth distributionWho do you believe is in charge of distributing all the wealth and why do you suppose they're not giving you your fair share of it? What do you do for work and how much do you save and invest every pay period?>>535887122>help tech companies pump their stocks?Try to explain what you think stock is.
>>535887468I've been kinda doubtful towards the Austrians myself, but I think it's first important to ask what economic theory you personally accept.
>>535887122Appears so
>>535887531>I work basically full time, have a decent sized small business, and my mortgage is $500 a month. Im barely treading waterWhat sort of business are you in that isn't throwing off more than 500 a month? At what point do you just get a job as a walmart greeter and come out ahead?
>>535887531You're already invested - owner's equity is a (hopefully) profitable investment. Good work, man.
>>535876038Can confirm.It's actually a little tattoo of hitler giving a salute while dancing the can can. The butthole is his infamous brown shirt.It's very elegant and tasteful.
>>535873009>There are 78,000 households in the US worth more than $100 million. Their consumer spending alone is greater than tens of millions of middle/lower-class householdsI have a feeling this data is so abstract it becomes meaningless. 1000 luxury italian handbags does not have the same economic significance as one million turkish knockoffs, even if it amounts to the same number of dollars. And the first consumer spending type can only exist by skimming off the second.
>>535873272You know a long time ago there was a guy called louis who was mentally retarded and thought writing lengthy arguments made him correct. There was another guy called george who did the same thing.
>>535880965Anon, he just said 'a third of the people being invested in a society is a lot'.He's a psued. A third of the population sided with britain's rule over the colonies.If he doesn't understand that chiba will be the new french there is no helping him.
>>535888007It never ceases to amaze me how the unemployed and unemployable imagine themselves the source of other people's fantastic wealth. Is this the first step to rationalizing murder and theft?
>>535887610Its pulling in like $60-65k revenue. Margins are I think about 30-45% across my product lines. So basically an extra $1500 a month or so. Have to service zero interest debt and buy more equipment. Have probably $10k in debt which will take about 6 months to pay off without paying myself.My 4 day a week job pays a little over $25 an hour. Walmart greeters get paid like $12Basically im slogging through everything at a snails pace. I have like 3 top selling products on amazon and 2 on etsy. I have no idea how people are functioning between rent, car payment, kids, food, and everything else. I live extremely lean and I know theres plenty of people out there making a lot less.
>>535888604>Walmart greeters get paid like $12They're considered security now as greeter got phased out during The Great Workplace corporate restructure around a decade ago. $12? Aint no one making less than $15, plus theres free college to boot.
>>535888683Well you are also forgetting that the door greater was a special position too. They don't give it to 32 year old white males. I would be a night stocker in the furniture and home goods section.
>>535888797>They don't give it to 32 year old white males. I would be a night stocker in the furniture and home goods section.Of course you need to be active in order to move a lot of freight.
>>535888604>$60-65k revenue. Margins are I think about 30-45% across my product lines.That's like 20 grand a year then in your pocket or are you actually clearing 60-65 a year? If you're taking home 5000-5500 a month, spending 500 on your mortgage, where's the other 5 grand a month going that you're struggling?
>>535873009I AM TIRED OF FAKEROOM. I SUSPECT HE MAY BE INDIAN
>>535876900He wouldn't dare post his name, address, license plates and net worth because he knows this is true.
>>535888604You have 5 top selling products and your warehouse is barely getting by?!
>>535873009Don't know why the shape of the economy matters when the water is turning the fricken frogs gay.
>>535888945>You have 5 top selling products and your warehouse is barely getting by?!Just means it's a niche product. I've got a couple "top sellers" on Amazon Prime and I'm only 300K and a bit a year gross sales
>>535888911No thats revenue. Profit comes out to around $1500 a month. Job pays about $3200 a month during busy season and about $2000 during slow season. All together im probably looking at $50k per year with $500 mortgage. I think im just getting nickeled and dimed everywhere. Broken tooth, car registration, food price increases, hoa dues, phone bill, christmas gifts, etc etc. Maybe by the end of the year I will have $5k saved up if im very mindful of spending.
>>535873009Bern decades in the making. Look at the elephant chart. It was unavoidable if we consider that labor, goods, services etc can cross borders and that automation/business scalability seriously compounds that effect.
>>535888917Not fake. Too old to be Indian. Take your treason charge and time in the cryopod like a man. Order up.
>>535877339Middle class is typically defined by income, not wealth
>>535889051This. Im always a week away from the chinks stealing my product listing photos and reverse engineering my exact products too. Then they send me a fake 1 star review while they run the amazon vine program to sell their pot metal bullshit.
>>535885656Why do you need a functioning economy in Pooland? Fecaloids reproduce like a deadly plague on shit alone.
>>535889051Dropshippers are just rent seekers that take advantage o normies that don't know about Temu or Aliexpress where they can just buy cheaper direct from the factories. A lot of goods sold on Amazon can be found as white labels on Aliexpress.
>>535875277>no one starves politelyUnfortunately you are wrong… look at Great Leap Forward, holodomor, Irish potato famine… hunger makes people weak and obedient in the desperate hopes of getting a bowl of rice after waiting in line long enough
>>535889192And it'll get worse too now since they'll know what to look for. AI also helps close the language gap for their own listings. Glorious rent seeker is doomed.
>>535873009> cute goila:3 :3 :3
>>535889280The worst part is that im not even a dropshipping rentseeker. I design and manufacture parts with my 3d printer. I try to stay under 50 sales per month on each product because they second it goes over they are on it like flies on shit. The AI language gap is very real. All I can do is build up a huge product line of hyper niche products with increasing complexity.
>>535888604$65k annual revenue isn't "decent sized" for a business m7
>>535877861>Laughs in TalibanImagine the Taliban taking the fight to Palantir HQ.
>>535889175Breakroom is BACK! (he never left)
>>535889119>All together im probably looking at $50k per year with $500 mortgage.So the 38 grand is going to????>>535889119>Broken tooth, Toothpaste is like 10 bucks a tube for the good stuff and not eating/drinking sugar all day is free. Also there's dental schools where you can get work done on the cheap. Also also dentists that don't fuck with whatever state/federal subsidies typically bill much less.car registration,A couple hundred bucks a year?> food price increases,A couple hundred bucks a month to eat.> hoa dues, Would never be me, but at least you knew about that before you bought in that neighborhood, so another few grand a year?>phone bill, Visible runs on the Verizon network and is like $250 a year pre-paid for unlimited talk, text, data.>christmas gifts,20 grand?>Maybe by the end of the year I will have $5k saved up if im very mindful of spending.Hate to break it to you, but if you don't even know where your money is going you are a 24 karat nigger with money. I guarantee if and when you earn more you will piss it away on the next shiny thing in front of you and at the end of the year be broke again wondering what happened.Many such cases, don't feel bad, just understand this is self inflicted.>>535889192>Im always a week away from the chinks stealing my product listing photos and reverse engineering my exact products too.If whatever it is you sell is only a 100,000 a year total market there's zero economic incentive to make knockoffs. Where does economy of scale help if only a few thousand of that particular thing are sold every year worldwide?If it's something China would sell a million of if they make them cheap you had better start thinking about a plan to do something else.>>535889214>Dropshippers are just rent seekersDid that anon say he was drop-shipping?
>>535874756No they arent
>>535889226This might be a timing question... Lets take the Holodomor for example. There were peasant uprisings in the early days of the collectivization. I'd like to think that we're a bit more high information and capable of communication/organization than they were.
>>535889214>A lot of goods sold on Amazon can be found as white labels on Aliexpress.The difference being someone in a major metro can order something when they're having their breakfast and it's at their house before they get home from work and there's zero bullshit return if/when it breaks. Same principle as why McDonald's became so big, not because it's a good burger but because it's convenient.>>535889654>I design and manufacture parts with my 3d printer.Naught for nothing, but if you're good at CAD and 3d printer programming you could probably be making 6 figures working for someone else in manufacturing. That's a rather high demand trade.
>>535873009>import 10s of millions of poor third-worlders>WHOA why do we have so many poor people?
>>535891126>Anon's never been to West Virginia
>>535891248~287,000 people live below the poverty line in West Virginia. It's a drop in the bucket in comparison to the millions who come here every year.
fags really be like "heres how im winning tho"
>>5358912481) Mass immigration affects the national economy even in places without the immigrants2) OP is talking about percentages. What percent of America do you think lives in West Virginia?3) West Virginia has been hit hard by various issues such as declining coal industry and the loss of chestnut trees
>>535891392I own a house, a car, and have enough money for good food and to travel. How am I not winning?
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