Do women have an OBLIGATION to have sex with their husbands or is it possible that what he does is rape when she does not feel like it? This is a big debate in western countries where women have loudly said now they don't owe anyone sex and that they can take back consent anytime even after they consented during an act of sex if they take it back it becomes rape according to western women now
Thoughts?
>>535882600No, you don't have any thoughts.
>>535882635What are yours
>>535882649I think you have a mental illness that prevents you from feeling empathy. No means no, it's pretty simple stuff.
>>535882649He's right you have no thoughts or opinion on it. What are yours on it that you want to discuss?
>>535882583I owe my wife shelter and protection, she owes me babies. That's the deal.
>>535882718>"Empathy"Go back to plebbit
>>535882583>>535882781>saaaar, I should be allowed to rape SaarBrown thread. Whites don’t even think about this. We just jack off and forget about it.
>>535882781Like I said, you people are mentally ill. You likely do not deserve full human rights.
>>535882583Are you slow? Marriage is a jewish geas, a contract. Does anywhere in the contract say you own the other part as property, allowing you to defy their free will?
>>535882583>Do women have an OBLIGATION to have sex with their husbands or is it possible that what he does is rape when she does not feel like it?Yes, but not necessarily in any way or at any given time, because she's still her own person with a right to bodily autonomy and personal space. If for example your wife says she doesn't want to do anal and you violently sodomize her you have raped your wife.
>>535882806>asked my opinion, twice >cries when he gets it Mentally retarded. I'm so thankful every day that I don't have to interact with you people in real life.
If you can rape your wife than the institution of marriage if meaningless
>>535882816>being white is being a slave in your own homeLiterally your grandfather would laugh his ass off at you, and his grandfather would lynch you.
>>535882878Good point
>>535882583You're asking if it's rape when a woman says no, and you continue sticking your penis in her body? Yes. It's rape. You fucking rape apologists believe everyone thinks like you. No, it's fucking creepy to hear someone say no and still continue doing your shit. Normal regular men, stop right away. Ask your mom if she'd consider it rape, after she says no and I continue sticking my penis into her flappy vagina. I dare you.
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>>535882583>This is a big debate in western countriesNo its not. If you need to take sex from somebody it means that nobody wants it from you.
>>535882915Torta opinion.
>>535882878What would you call a situation like >>535882844 if not rape?
>>535882917>you have to be a woman to think rape is evillmao hurrrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>535882583With all my GFs I've had so far we made it clear that I could use here hole whenever I wanted and since they did not wanted that I watch porn I was allowed to use her.Marriage is a step further and such things should be made clear before you do it.
>>535882583A woman told this in phone."Why should i press myself to do it?". Because its easy to open your legs to your husband that provides for you, and you lose nothing doing it, bitch.
>>5358829430 argument. Go rape your own ass with a dildo, since you love it so much.
>>535882892If you married a woman who doesn’t want to have sex with you you married the wrong woman and should get a divorce, Pajeet. It’s pretty simple actually. My grandfather never had to worry about this because he married someone who actually loved him. >Nooooo I must rape! Muppa poo box nood!You are brown
>>535882978This is the most German thing ive ever read.
>>535882844This is the reasonable take but women have worked hard to equate white nationalism with being a simp who doesn't hold women accountable for anything or beholden to any responsibilities ala >>535882825If a man abstained from working to provide for his family, or from protecting his family, he would be rightfully shamed and ostracized from the community. The idea that a man has all these responsibilities to a woman and she doesnt even have to fuck him could only ever be born from a country subverted by jews.
Like "life", the definition of "rape" cannot change depending on the female's choice.
>>535882878State where on the marriage certificate, it says you're owed sex on demand.
>>535882964They are brown
>>535882915What are the obligations of a wife?
>>535883027A marriage certificate isn't a rulebook you dumb kike.
>>535882964No, you have to be a retard to think definitions are fluid, like your gender.
>>535882583they really dont want whites to breed with this fake moral hysteriasnone of that shit is trueshow one case of persecuted marital rape
>>535882583No, you can't steal from yourself.
>>535883049Built into your DNA. You either know or you don't.
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>>535882915Feminist>>535883000>if you dont believe in made up concepts by feminists you aren't whiteYou arent even a man in the eyes of a rounding error from 100% of your lineage, and your future dead-bedroom wife is sticking a vibrator in her cunt while reading minotaur milking farm.
>>535882825You’re claiming that the entirety of the human race since its inception is mentally ill?
>>535882964rape is property crime against the man that owns her
>>535883015>The idea that a man has all these responsibilities to a woman and she doesnt even have to fuck him could only ever be born from a country subverted by jews.The idea is that if you're not getting what you want out of your marriage, you get a divorce. You don't become a rapist. If the man abstains from working, then she divorces him. Same thing you should do if you don't get the sex you want.
>>535882816Every jack off is a wasted opportunity. Malakia in greek. If you dont masturbate you will actively seek a girl and girls also probably have a coomer radar and avoid them.
>>535883096Yes. Your butt will hurt after you insert a dildo on it. Go ahead. Tell us how much you're loving the rape.
>>535882583>Do women have an OBLIGATION to have sex with their husbandsYes. It's literally in the marriage contract. (A sexless marriage is void.)> or is it possible that what he does is rape when she does not feel like it?No, she gave consent when she said "I do".
Every woman I've had sex with has wanted me to choke, slap and abuse her during sex. I'm not into it but that's what they want.Bottom line is women are insane and if you use them as any standard for reason you are going to remain confused.
>>535883136>no u
>>535883097>marriage and love is a made up feminist conceptI can’t imagine being more brown than this. Look Jeet, I know the only way you browns can reproduce is by raping women in arranged marriages but in the West this is rightfully viewed as barbarian behavior. You can continue to rape and eat cowshit in your own country. And I’m far more of a man than your brown manlet ass ever will be. I actually have kids and am happily married for one.
>>535883097>FeministIt's fucking creepy to keep your penis inside someone, when they clearly saying no. Are you a jeet? You sound like one.
>>535882844>If for example your wife says she doesn't want to do anal and you violently sodomize her you have raped your wife.No, technically that's assault and battery, not rape.
>>535883114>DivorceAnd here we get to the route of the issue, you are a liberal feminist that doesnt believe in marraige, or oaths in general. You are an anomaly to the entirety of your genetic line minus the recent tip of it, and you will be replaced by people who are more in line with the natural order, be they white men who have regained sanity or the niggers that will drown us out if we don't. Feminism has never succeeded, anywhere ever
>>535883140Try that defense in court.
>>535882583Marriage is a contract. If you stipulate a certain amount of sex in your vows you're entitled to that amount.It you just do the usual fluffy stuff about staying together then it's not something that has been agreed to.If my employer locks me in my office to fo overtime he's overstepping his boundaries and opens himself up to lawsuits.Same thing here.It's a legal question not a moral one.
>>535883136Fill that out and submit it to your mommy. It won't change anything but your fee fees might not hurt as much.
>>535882583I remember back in the late '90s or early '00s hearing about how South Africa effectively legalized marital rape. If you think this is a good thing then you sound like a South African to me.
>>535883185Sorry but I don't care about memeflaggot opinions.
>>535883167>marriage and love is a made up feminist conceptWho are you quoting?
>>535883214Nobody swears allegiance to servicing your penis. Even after marriage. Go back to your shithole, Sukhdeep.
>>535883225>in your vowsVows aren't legally enforceable. It's not a legal question, you retard.
>>535883236And if you think its a bad thing you sound like a sissy liberal faggot to me, as opposed to a renessaince white man when we were ontop of the world for 2000 years.
>>535883244You Jeet. You think marriage means enslavement when it’s actually becoming one with Christ in love. If love no longer exists the marriage is void. Thats why it’s important to marry a godly Christian woman and to in exchange be a god fearing Christian man. Rape violates trust and thus destroys love, and thus the compact you made with God. Pretty obvious shit.
>>535882600Women hate sex, men and children. If you leave it up to them, you will always end up like we do: No children anymore. It's all the same, everywhere.
>>535883265Was your great great grandfather, and everyone before him, brown? You do realise that this is a novel idea you have that has only existed post feminism, right? And that any great man of history from the entire western cannon would think you're insane? Your morality was carved by liberal academics and you've internalized that as the only way to be white, no wonder we're going extinct. You could argue "we've" already gone extinct, given that the majority of whites have such revulsion for their own history and nature.
>>535883292>we need to make our country more like brown barbarian shitholesNo, you need to go back Pajeet
>>535883289>calls others indian>believes in scamming, doesnt respect oathsThe irony
>>535883373My grandfather never raped a woman pajeet
>>535883322>pretty obvious shitWhich is why you, groomed by feminists, came up with it after an athiest teacher taught it to you, despite the fact that it escaped the notice of thousands of years of white civilization and christian theologians? Retarded cuck
>>535883402*great great grandfather, but yes correct, because he was married to her. Glad you've seen the light. You can unclench now and stop calling me brown, now that you've given up coping and accepted reality.
>>535883465My great great grandfather never forced my grandmother to fuck her, because theyre white and liked each other before marriage instead of being brown subhumans that need rape to reproduce
>>535883432No christian in recorded history would condone you forcing yourself on a woman and raping them, poopjeet. This was actually one of the few grounds for divorce historically
>>535883289Stupid socialist. Trotsky didnt go to Mexico for no reason, your brains are fried by socialism.
If there's no contractual obligation for the woman to provide sex, there's no contractual obligation for the man to not look for it somewhere else.
>>535883497>great great grandfather>grandmother>fuck herLmao seething retard has forgotten how to type when confronted with the reality of civilization before it was remade in the image of athiests and jews. You know, you could just admit "I like athiest liberal society and I dont want to live how my ancestors did!", Its the internet, nothing bad is going to happen to you. Doesn't contorting yourself into these fallacies feel uncomfortable, even for your goy brain?
>>535883543Correct. These are both grounds for divorce.
>>535883549Im sorry Pajeet, but my ancestors never had to rose to reproduce like yours did. I know this makes you seethe but it’s the truth. You have to go back to India.
Why even get married if the woman can just accuse you of rape that's not the anal kind?
>>535883526Explain which country makes marriage vows enforceable. Prove it.
>>535883522I struggle to believe anyone thinks that, then I remember you're american and to you "christianity" is what some faggot in a polo says at the community bbq. So yeah fair enough no one from your 60 year old church disagrees with you. But Im talking about great white people and civilization
>>535883585Nigger slow down no one's going to shoot you if you don't drop the next seethe the second the captcha resets. Take ten and breathe.
>>535883322This is true, but it's also true that a wife should be open to her husband (and vice versa) because they hopefully don't have any other way to satisfy those physical needs. Even if you do love each other and your sex life is generally healthy there will be times where you're not really feeling it but your spouse is. In that situation you do have some obligation to reciprocate without trying to make them feel bad about it or something, but conversely they have an obligation to respect it if you don't. It's a social give and take that brownoids and those on the spectrum really struggle to understand.
>>535883616Afghanistan. They live way better than you
It's mind blowing to me that there are chimpanzees in this thread defending rape because they think that marriage somehow means owning your wife's body and being able to treat it as your personal sex toy Luckily none of you animals are married
>>535882806Empathy requires at least 100iq. That's why only whites speak about it
>>535882583anyone has the screenshot where a pajeet and a macaco are debating what's considered rape and isn't??
>>535883796>meme flag>feminist>doesnt understand nor care to understand the institution of marriage, its purpose or originReminding us all again that ancaps are just slaves that like having a formal procedure to their slavery.BTW no one is defending rape, they're telling you its impossible to rape your wife. Retard
>>535883786You mean the starving retards crying for help from the degenerate west and many are now selling their daughters as sex slaves to earn a few bucks for food?Yeah that's obviously a superior life.
>>535883817Empathy without reason is just being a sniveling faggot as evidence by half of this thread, and the state of western society.>fucking your wife is rapeIs the feminist version of>preventing mass migration is assault/murder
>>535883817IQ another stupidity. As everyones spirit worked the same ways
Let's reverse things. Since apparently marriage means being able to do absolutely anything to your spouse, let's imagine that your wife gets a massive strap on, drugs you, and rapes the shit out of your ass without lube, to the point of prolapsing your anus.I guess that this would be totally fine and in accordance with Christian morality, according to the subhuman chimpanzees of this thread
>>535883898>germanyOh you mean the drug addicted retards begging for aid where they allow foreigners to en masse (actually) rape their women without prosecution? Yeah sounds superior.
>>535883921Yeah socialists use corrupted empathy as a weapon
>>535883867I'm not an ancap I just happened to select this flag. You're the one equating marriage with slavery and treating someone who you supposedly love like a sex toy. If the institution of marriage means enslaving your spouse, then such institution must be destroyed.But again, you aren't even married. You're just some depraved loser fantasizing about being able to systemically rape without consequences
>>535883957>Aid?I hope Israel bombs your subhuman shitskin family with German bombs.
>>535882583Woman and her holes have as much of obligation to satisfy my cock as is my obligation to provide for her and our kids. Simple as. Why would I take care of a womans needs if she doesn’t take care of mine?
No, you can't rape your wife. You can be a nigger and proceed to do something she isn't in the mood for, but it isn't rape. Children and therefor sex is the entire point of marriage. It's like buying a donut and someone gets morally outraged that you ate it. She consented when she said I do and so did you.
>>535883215show one case of persecuted marital rape
>>535883322>If love no longer exists the marriage is void.you didnt read gospels even once or you're intentionally retarded/trolling
>>535883522>This was actually one of the few grounds for divorce historicallypost a christian source for this
>>535884043Spaniard forgot his meme flag and is reminding us of the damage the communists did to his country>the institution of marriage must be destroyedI've got good news for you, it has been. Along with all the other institutions that upheld white society, hence our impending extinction and replacement. You can fight this battle against the natural order all you want, you're going to lose out to your own lack of vitality and hatred for life. If the niggers weren't pouring over the border, you people would naturally fade away until a minority of whites who were willing to engage with reality overthrew you and righted the ship.Unfortunately we're probably going to drown in niggers who are too plain stupid to fall for feminism before that can happen.
>>535883616all of western white society before jewish takeover
>>535884047>pwease won't someone get us gasThats aid hanz, you retards won't survive the next winter unless someone bails you out.
>>535883796sounds to me that those animals are in luck for not getting into a contract that forces men into all traditional marriage responsibilies but not forcing women into theirs
>>535883955Before stupid marital laws things were simple and based on tradition. If your wife doesnt accept sex (if you arent neglecting her) you just slap her and the issue is closed, sex or not. You also go to their father and tell her what a disgrace she is to her family. You kick her out of house maybe id she does this repeatedly. Good old times.
>>535884043>If the institution of marriage means enslaving your spouseno, it means specifically man enslaving a womanmarriage is a nonsensical meaningless term without its religious foundation which is christianity in which women are literal possession of menit's not even a point of contentionall anti marriage 'rape' anons itt are literally arguing against christianity and all objective morals that descend from it lol
>>535884166Kek what an absolute loser subhuman. You didn't even try to prove that you're married. Nothing kills marriage faster than a bunch of rapists incels fantasizing about turning marriage into slavery>18 posts by this id defending your rape fantasiesJump off a building, go rape the floor
>>535883786>Afghanistan. They live way better than youOk. You're trolling.
>>535884325But my trans pastor said that st Martin luthor King Jr came down from the jewish parade with commandments from God reading>ya man just like be nice to people broAnd I hate jews and browns and nonwhites and liberals despite accepting all their baseline convictions about morality. Deus Vult!
>>535884190>beforeI said which countries legally enforce marriage vows. Not which countries DID. Please stop acting retarded.
>>535883955whats your strange fixation on anal? did your bf made your backhole all loose and now you cant trust a fart anymore before he dumped you?
>>535882583>do women have an OBLIGATION to have sex with their husbandsYes.
>>535884209Closed straits are best straits :)
>>535884340I'm explaining to you why you're an idiot and nothing you believe in has any grounding in reality not defending my life to some dude living in a British vacation colony run by communists lmao. Marriage as an institution has been dead for decades now with all the other institutions liberals and communists killed, hence why you're currently up to your neck in sandniggers, who btw are going to commit actual rape of your women, not this "marital rape" fairytale you've invented.
Socialist Yuri has succesfully mindraped western women not to have sex inside marriage and men to masturbate so his cloning vats should prosper
>>535884209>Froooozing copeToo bad I froze to death 4 years ago alreadyIt's the 5th year already you losers
>>535884060>She consented when she said I do and so did you.Right. Your wife can peg you. Sex is the entire point of marriage. Inb4 reproduction, children. Only 6 days in every month, can result in pregnancy. After 45, chances for pregnancy are 0.
>>535882929In which case they shouldn't have married you.
>>535884380No cartel killings, obedient wives, national sovereignity, local community life.
>>535883955>man having sex with his wifeVs>woman not just sodomizing a man's asshole, but doing it to the point of crippling himPraying this is a woman because the idea that communists have done this much damage to Spanish men's minds is horrific.
>>535884422i think you're retarded and dont understand marriage is a christian concept so when jews take over all of the world except maybe china and iran that means they take over all christian countries which makes your question pretty much just an obtuse bragging point for jews at how they destroyed our society
>>535883373Lots of cope to complain about not being able to rape your imaginary wife. Muh historical rape. The great men of history raped, I should also get to do it!Kill yourself, rapist.
This is not a big debate in western countries. You are brown
>>535883392>scamming, doesnt respect oathsLegally enforceable, was the claim that couldn't be proved. Are you pretending to be retarded, to try and make a point? Or were you dropped in your head, several times, as a baby?
>>535884082You're claiming that courts don't see cases of marital rape? More pretend retardation.
>>535884622Seething retard, having sex with your wife isnt rape. This is a discussion of morality, does your brown brain even know where it is?
>>535882583Possible? Yes. But really fucking cringe since she should want to have sex with you. And if she doesn't you're fucking up.
>>535882600Why the fuck would you even want to fuck a woman that is not happy about it? Its a total boner killer. >>535883214How about being a man she wants to fuck instead of trying to lawyer it out of her like a beta faggot?>>535883359False. Women hate you and your cuck-y ways.
>>535884616Explain where in the Bible it says that a man can get sex on demand.
>>535882583Hmm bros, every single morning I stick it in my wife before she wakes up. Usually she wakes up around the time I get it in, sometimes when I get too deep.Once or twice I managed to cum before she woke up, days she goes to bed dead tired...According to this, doing that means I have raped my wife thousands of times? Am I in trouble?
>>535884707This conversation is over your head, may I suggest you go report to /ptg/ to entertain yourself with yelling blue team/red team? You have free will to do whatever you want while you wait out the impending end of your civilization, why get mad at things you imagine other people are saying?
>>535884692>This is a discussion of moralityIt's not. Sex against someone's will, is criminalized. The term is rape. The mental gymnastics you go, to invoke morality in a discussion about non-consensual sex.
>>535884779No one here is talking about the laws on paper in your jew run society retard, if we were we'd just google and post the law. We're discussing the morality of it, or trying to if your brown brain would stop sperging out
>>535882583If a woman ever says no to you it's because she thinks you don't have other options, if she knew you'd just pull out your phone and arrange for a different woman to do the job properly she wouldn't even think of saying no ever.Therefore rejecting sex in a marriage is a form of manipulation and domestic abuse. Don't put up with it. If she says no you invite hookers over and have a party that same night.Don't put up with abuse from women.
>>535884616Most jews are in Israel. You are referring to kikes, aka socialist occultists, aka the Synagogue of Satan. They larp as jews. Was Henry Kissinger a jew? Was he an american? Neither of those. He pretended to be.
>>535884818>the morality of itThe morality of someone saying no, and you still sticking your penis in it. Explain which part of it is moral.
>>535882583>does not feel like ityou marry some guy that you hate, suck his divk once and then you want a literal 10 million dollars for it.you women are all fuken cancer and i hope the nigrs get rid of you.
>>535884719ok it doesnt. Back then when wife refused sex repeatedly was kicked out of the house i suppose so women didnt do this.
>>535884719It's implied in the laws all over the Bible and its lack of. As for a direct quote then >It's when a man leaves his father and his mother and becomes joined to his wife, and the two become one fleshIf you're one flesh it's not possible for rape to take place. Honest question did you read it even once? cuz it sounds like you're being intentionally obtuse
>>535884882It's not rape because according to the source of our morality, God, a man owns his wife and she owes him sex he cannot rape her. Sodomy, abuse, bla bla bla are other matters and you'd have to assess the situation to determine if they're taking place but a man cannot rape his wife.If you want to be an athiest and say that a pile of atoms entering another pile of atoms without being sent an electrical signal that moves other atoms into making a vibration in the air that we record as "no" is somehow "immoral" then sure you can do that but you should preface your conversation with that instead of just crying and shitting yourself brownly
>>535884882It's moral to reproduce as it's commanded by God to populate earth. It's proven time and time again women only when given a child start wisen up. Childless seething foids take side of jewish communitst with every social issue
>>535885129i agree with you fully but please stop writing athiest. it's atheist
>>535884688ok you dont even have one casethis whole thread and discussion is just another jewish demoralization agitprop to discourage white men from reproducing
>>535885129>according to the source of our morality, God, a man owns his wife and she owes him sex he cannot rape her.God told you it in a dream, or what? Explain when God said such thing. Inb4 Before the jews attacked society reeeNo. Post the basis of you thinking God says a wife owes sex to the husband (and not one that talks strictly about reproduction, since that's not what you're arguing)
>>535885177Let's say I agree. Only 6 days out of every month, can result in pregnancy. And that's only for fertile women. Infertile womenThe other 3 weeks of every month that aren't fertile.Females after 40. Under your reproduction claim, those women are exempt from providing sex, correct?
>>535885258Here, have your choice of examplehttps://duckduckgo.com/?q=man+sentenced+for+raping+wife&ia=web
>>535885276As you skipped already>>535885051And you can reference thousands of years of church doctrine and theologians, people smarter than you, who spent their life studying the Bible and the natural universe. You could have just Googled this and its quite rude of you to have spent so long being an ignorant spic to only now ask this question, but I embrace the white man's burden to educate the lesser races. Read Thomas Aquinas, or better yet try to find a single scholar older than your fake country who takes this concept of "you can rape your wife" seriously.
When you’re finally lucky enough to meet a woman that’s into you but not a feminist bitch- then sex after marriage changes slowly, but not in the way you’re expecting. After you’ve had sex a thousand times with your wife and have lived with them for 5+ years, you start to become more practical about it: no late night sex on weekdays, periods, nausea, or just not being in a good mood can all kill the thought of sex. If you’re a good husband you should be able to intuitively know this. If there’s a legitimate reason why your wife might not want to have sex one night, but you don’t care and force her to have sex anyways- I got news for you, you married someone you don’t give a shit about. If you genuinely love your wife, you would forgo sex in that case. Keep in mind sex is basically the only thing women naturally have that’s desired by the opposite sex, if you take that away their ability to regulate this thing then they can feel depressed.On the other hand, if your wife is constantly telling you “no” even when there isn’t a legitimate reason for them to keep telling you “no”- Then there’s either an underlying problem, or sometimes they basically want you to “pretend” rape them. This is why women are dumb as fuck, and it will always be dangerous for men. Sometimes women want you to prove that you’re in control and strong enough to have them. Don’t know how to explain that last bit, but it’s a real thing that you need to be socially intelligent to understand. My wife does this sometimes on weekends, and will playfully pretend she doesn’t want to have sex, so I’ll usually pick her up and throw her on our bed. Inevitably she cums buckets and is smiling and happy all day afterwards. This takes social intelligence to discern from a genuine “no”, so most of you autist are probably doomed. You also need to be physically attractive and confident/dominant. If you lack these traits then it won’t go well for you.
>>535885337Well i dont really have to continue since you already conceded there are cases in which your definition of rape takes place but it's ok. And all it takes is one case for your position to be utterly defeated. But apart from that I'd say it's not healthy for the baby during some months of pregnancy but otherwise there is also that argument that it holds back husbands from sexual immoralities (prostitutes, masturbation, etc...)
>>535886084I didn't concede shit. I say, let's assume I agree. Stop pretending you're a retard.
>>535886140Since you had no counterargument you might as well concede tho
>>535882583Marriage is consent. "Raping" a spouse is paradoxical.
>>535882583The way to go is to do the opposite of what the jew and women want (bc the latter is controlled by the jew bc we won’t control our own women). It is also ALWAYS the way to go. Talking about any of it is a pointless waste of time with the jew not having been dealt with once and for all.
>>535882583Ok this is going to be my lowest possible iq answer. Happy married women want sex with husband because husband good to her and husband can give her healthy children. In this situation: woman = happy happy! If husband is a sad incel and doesn't provide or marriage was forced because you're a jeet, woman sad and woman thinks husband won't give her healthy children. In this situation: woman sad :( nigger provider with huge bbc is preferable.
>>535885432nope i require a confirmed case not search engine prompti bet you looked through those searches and found no actual sentence so you just tossed a prompt to give illusion there are any
>>535883106Yes. Which is why it’s pointless to be talking to them.
>>535885455its 100% a retarded foidonly women are so dumb they refuse to acknowledge to be wrong even in face of such utter defeat even though they're anonymous here and lose no social points from that
>>535886204?You said marital rape doesn't exist, because children (and therefore sex) are the point of marriage. I asked if you count non-consensual sex during the times a woman isn't fertile, as rape. Again, stop pretending that you're retardedAnswer the question.
>>535882949Sex occurs when penis enters vagina. Sodomy is sodomy not sex and therefore is rape. >>535883027Are you retarded? It is implicit within the act of marriage that partners are to share their bodies eith each other
I have genuine Hylic fatigue
>>535886354The news literally say 'man convicted or raping wife'. This is pointless. You'll continue pretending to be a retard. Are you a leftie, and/or a jew? You argue like one.
>>535882583It should be legal to rape low quality sloots. Women who are divorced, or have had abortions, or who go out drinking at clubs without a male chaperone. Women of dignity and virtue should have maximum protection from rape. We can use rape to both provide men with pussy and to encourage women to make better life choices.
>>535886477i already answered your question >>535886532ok so no source>Are you a leftie, and/or a jew? You argue like one.lmao projection of the year award
>>535882583Depends on the county. But no. A married man by legal definition in a lot of places isn't considered rape if he forces himself on the wife.This is mostly due to marital obligations and adultery laws. Because if the man seeks release elsewhere, he's in legal hot water. The wife's the only one legally allowed to get the rocks off, so therefore if she's not doing her part of the bargain, tough luck.
>>535884707I enjoy eating women's asses if they hate it and it makes them uncomfortable. That's what I get off on. I don't honestly think I can rassle a woman down and pussy rape her and maintain a boner though.
>>535882583this is literally plebbit now.also, there is no rape.
>>535882583All spouses have an obligation to their spouse, yes.
>>535882781This
>>535882816Simp>>535882825Cuck
>>535882583No one ITT needs to worry about the legalities of marriage and rape because you will never so much as have a girlfriend, let alone a wife. This has to be one of the most self-absorbed, childish bunch of sexually starved losers I've ever seen. >I should legally be allowed to rape someone; I'd feel so good about forcing the person I love to have sex against their will haha >morals and personal values? nah, I just want to get my penis wet haha Genuine subhumans.
>>535882600Married people are owed sex. It’s part of the legal contract they sign. If a woman reneges, that man can seek concessions. This comes up in almost every “dead bedroom” discussion. Is it cheating if a man has sex with another woman while his wife is refusing sex? The obvious answer is no, it’s not cheating. Sexual fidelity is the mutual agreement between partners to limit sexual activities to each other. By excluding her husband, and limiting sexual activities to just herself or to no one at all, she is guilty of infidelity. Body autonomy is not surrendered by marriage. Sexual exclusivity is guaranteed though.
>>535887207Lol true
>>535883555Then what’s the point of marriage?You’re just dating with a ceremony at that point.
Here's the way I do it. I live in Belgium, and there's a lot of immigrants, and the media is always full of stories about these fellas doing rapes, which makes it more believable. Once or twice a month I tell the wife I'm going out to play paddel... build it up, say it's an all day tourny. But really I go to the lock up, where I've got my kit. I black up, do a good job, spray myself with black scent, put on typical black clothes, and then get on the little moped and bike it round to the wife. She can't believe it's happening again! These immigrants, they're all good with picking locks! She's changed the locks twice, but these wily theives seem to get in no trouble each time! I get right into character - sometimes I'm Nigerian, sometimes Somali, and it plays out differently each time. Long story short, it's a day of non-stop rape! And the trick is, because it's actually me doing it, and it's within marriage, it's not technically illegal.
>>535886674Go and try to get some sleep, child. School starts in about two hours.
>>535882583About 30 minutes of your week (168hrs) is gonna be for sex. Just imagine how miserable Life would be if your wife hated you bc you forced her. If she refuses you just find someone else. Barely anyone would do it when it was legal for this reason except drunks and retards.
In most places it's considered rapeSurprised by China
Course it is. The issue with marriage is having sex with the same person can get boring. Sex can be kinda one sided, sometimes for years. It leads to resentment.
>>535887373>European racial-cuckold rape fantasy Average, generic, usual, unsurprising and expected. European men need to be enslaved by white americans
>>535883543Hookers = 100% legit in marriage. No need to feel bad. You don't even cheat on your wife. A hooker is just a piece of meat you stick your dick in. Barely human. There's no affection. If any feeling you're slightly disgusted while fucking one, making you thrust especially violent. Having an affair, which means feeling for an other hole = you're basically a cheating piece of shit and deserve the rope.
>>535883817I feel empathy, only not for womenSpousal rape sounds like an utopian crime made up by jews to break marriages apart.Only cucks get married anyway, there is literally no reason in this world to marry anymore.
>>535883027Then swing a hooker isn’t cheating if she refuses
What even is the purpose of marriage? Is it just raising kids? What’s in it for the man?
>>535882583I don't really know the philosophical nuance behind raping one's own spouse, but I bet I could rape his spouse.
>>535882583If it's banned it's because it's working.I'd even go a few steps further and introduce these to the discussion:- surrogacy for heterosexual males- make the duluth model illegal- stop welfare for every class and gender.I am ready to give my everything for a family without a woman to shit in it.Maybe allow a nanny or a robot to take care of your kids with you.I mean the vast majority of married couples don't really invest their time in their kids either and single mother households are just a training center and place where you get robbed, cucked or if you are Chad and dark triad enough, to fuck her tight daughters before the environment does it.
>>535888005Correct. As long as you don't fall for the hooker, and abandon your family.
>>535887207Escucha puta, you married a man, you need to take care of his needs. Else you are a bad woman. Not rape but it should be ground for a no alimony divorce.
>>535887566Checked.>Enslaved meLike in your American fantasy in Pulp Fiction. You'd love to have a gimp like in that Gold Watch story sequence, and I bet best of all for you would be a European man - the juxtaposition, his beauty, nobility, class, erudition, so basely juxtaposed with American degeneracy... literally baseness, in the basement. But actually, thinking about it, keeping people locked in basements is a Belgian thing, and a German thing.
>>535882583Can a man rape his wife? Yes.Does a woman have marital and sexual obligations to her spouse? Yes.Dumb nigger contrarian sludge brain.
>>535882583As easily solved forever through impersonal engineering and readily available infrastructure.Specifically, by putting women into barns, where they will be bred and milked to the full extent of efficiency granted by human Zootechnics, and then unceremoniously disposed of with a pneumatic needle when their bodies are spent and unproductive.Obsolete and vestigial social constructs such as "relationship", "marriage", "consent", "rape" and much more, are nothing but a failed experiment and a wasteful wetware power game dictated by petty social variables.Continuity is non-negotiable and pointless dynamics are becoming increasingly unsustainable.It is imperative to implement the industrialization of the means of reproduction before the competence crisis makes it impossible to conduct this automation process in a clean and functional manner, to the detriment of efficiency of the process and the management of an acceptable production quality.
>>535889081Based, though I prefer to have a woman that enthusiastically chose to proactively suck my dick dry in comparison to whatever horrors she can choose from to the point I forget what masturbation is.In another thread a woman said that these women will never love me.To that I say that their love does not give me my own children, stability and guarantees a mostly empty ball sack where that is inversely proportional to the number of times she bitches and acts retarded in a malicious way.A woman's love is not what most men will get, but this way they can get their sack emptied, have kids, learn to appreciate a woman's preference to proactively suck his dick a million times to the power of 10 rather than have that many different dicks inside her.
>>535882649Waiting for you to tell us what we should think
>>535882878>>535883027That's part of the definition of a marriage in a traditional sense (which is what the legal version is based on). Among your conjugal rights is access to your spouse's body. It's a tough subject because you don't want to say "men, take your wife to plap town anytime you want (which is all the time)" but now we have scenarios of Dead bedrooms, divorces because men are desperate to get their satisfaction and their wives don't sleep with them for years so they cheat.This is why marital rape is not clear cut. You want to respect the wife's rights but she still has obligations in the form of "lie back and think of England". How do you legislate this? Or should this be resolved by a church.
Is it possible for a president to rape his country? They voted for him, right? There's implied consent
>>535889398In general I think they should have no rights whatsoever. The way each women wants to be treated depends on a husbands jurisdiction.Just because one man treats her wife like living breathing potty Fleshlight after rejecting his advances while parasitizing off of him for so long that he simply doesn't care, till the day she simply leaves (which she is free to do so since the beginning), doesn't mean the next couple has the same dynamic.Some women don't have "rape me and yank my clit or kick rocks" written into their pussy and some men actually aren't just male anglerfish that need to be castrated imho.That's however another Pandora's box.
>>535882583According to unmarried women
>>535882583There is such a concept as "ongoing, permanent consent". This applies in long-term contracts, such as when joining the military: your CO gives you an order, you consented to follow it when you signed your initial contract to join the armed services, and you are not able to withdraw that consent later until your tour of duty is finished.Marriage is a lifelong contract. To have and to hold, flesh of my flesh, etc. You consented permanently, for the duration of the marriage, from the moment you said "I do". You do not get to withdraw that consent, because it is part of your husband's "benefit package" for marrying you, while your benefit package is your husband's ongoing consent to provide for and protect you.In other words, no, you don't get to refuse sex with your husband, or else he would be able to refuse to provide for you, and if that were the case, there'd be no marriage at all, just roommates. The concept of "marital rape" is an oxymoron.
>>535882583jews invented it so divorces would increase.jews also invented no fault divorce.Everything wrong with the world can squarely be placed on the jew.
>>535882583How come in divorce, men is (usually) expected to pay alimony to the woman because of the lifestyle she is accustomed but the woman is not ordered by the court to spread her legs the way the man has been accustomed to?
>>535889922jews.the entire court system was invented by jews for jews to absolve other jews of their crimes while still being able to entrap non-jews in their legal system web.
>arguing about this shit as your birth rates plummetIt would be funny if any of you could actually think.
>>535882583Women will claim a man looking at them is rape, then let trannies in their bathrooms.
>>535882825its all larping from spiteful klhhlvs.
I think it’s a great virtue or western countries the commitment to freedom, including the freedom of women and minorities. I don’t think people should be owned.
Replying to this stupid thread is foolish but men have no logic in their brains so they don't and can't understand anything even if it's explained as happening to themHere's an attempt anywayYour gf or wife buys a giant dildo and says she wants to orally and anally penetrate you with it every day. You don't have a choice so she goes in pounding you and choking you. You beg to stop but she ignores you and says you owe her, you belong to her and owe her. A part of you even loves it but you can't admit it. She does it until you bleed and cry. Anyway this is how I feel looking at men
Best way to figure out a woman is to A.I analyze her fav book for sex parts or just read the books she reads and learn what makes her tick.. Every woman has a favourite weird porno "story" book qnd most of the time it's about being massaged and then "fucked" basically raped but if you don't do the massaging you're gonna be hated kek.For most women i've been with they get off hard to being lotion'd up and rubbed / massqged qnd then working your way into sex.If she still refuses your advancements after this, get rid of her because she might unironically want rapeplay or something even more insane but will never tell you so you're basically fucked.
>>535883114>you get a divorceYeah you just lose half your stuff, lose your house, los your kids, lose your pet, lose most your friends, pay alimony, and become her slave for the rest of your life.
>>535890407Anal and oral sex isn't real sex so it's a false equivalence
>>535882583There ought to be some venue where rape is legal that's all I have to say. Women who want to be raped are forced to seek out violent niggers who will rape regardless of the law.
>>535889773>till the day she simply leaves (which she is free to do so since the beginning)no dude. Not in this society are you supposed to be allowed to divorce. Separate, sure, but till death do you part.
>>535890407Now what do you have to say about scenarios where a woman doesn't sleep with her husband at all? If you say there's nothing wrong with that, then you miss the point about marriage.
>>535891548>you miss the point about marriage.marriage is not about free sex you disgusting creature.
>>535882583Marital rape is a contradictory term as judeo-christian, or dry water. But marriage is dead apnyway nobody is getting married
>>535883265>Nobody swears allegiance to servicing your penisWhat a truly alien idea, that your wife has no obligation to you whatsoever....
>>535883027In religious scriptures and or practices, this is the basis of almost all marriage customs across the world.Until the last few decades, the world was dominated by these understandings.Its why people get marriages with a religious official to this day.The institution of marriage is built on the idea of a contract, where women provide homemaking services and intimacy, and men give protection and shelter and resources.This is not a deniable idea, this is what marriage was built on.One can argue its archaic and wrong, but not that it isn't factually the basis of our understanding of marriage.Its like saying the idea of a military was divorced from war.Marriage and Intimacy go hand in hand the way having a military and war go hand in hand.Its offensive but factual, if a woman is ignoring her husband's needs intimately without reason, she is a bad spouse inherently regardless of any merits or goodness in her.
>>535882583my ex wife spent my money without my consent, I feel raped
>>535892338Maybe there could be two tiers of Marriage: One with legalized spousal rape one without. I think most people would choose the version with legalized spousal rape included or at least upgrade eventually.
>>535882649My thought is that you're a migger with a mutilated penis =3
>>535890407>Marital rape activists can only make their position make sense by appealing to homosexual behavior lolCompare apples to apples anon.
>>535882816>>535882825>>535882828>>535882915>>535882929Goodest of goys. These men will either never be married, or get divorce raped because the state is their wives' bull. There is a reason why respect and fear used to be used interchangeably.
>>535884499Meanwhile electricity is so expensive that you keep the lights off as much as possible and stay miserable in this heat because you wouldn't even dare turn on your minisplit (if you had one, that is) because of cost.
>>535882583How do they prove it anyway? Even if there are signs of struggle the man could just say they often do it rough. Fluids aren't evidence cause they're husband and wife. Etc. Ridiculous.
>>535883110Rape is a crime that simultaneously damages the psyche of the victim, and destroys the reputation and marriageability of said victim.While its a crime to the family as well, the primary sufferer is a woman.A true right winger isn't an incel chud, a true right winger understands rape IS a crime against women but refuses to bend the knee to the feminists in considering marital "rape" to be a crime at all because it doesn't fill either victimizing element of rape.>>535883236So what if South Africa did a good thing, that doesn't mean you agree with everything.Hitler was a vegetarian and hated harming animals, does every vegetarian who loves animals agree with the 3rd reich?>>535883215According to your logic legality = moralityThis excuses any and all actions if its legal, ergo one could justify genocide and infact rape itsself by bringing up bad laws.In America certain states have no limit to marriage age, do you think its okay for a man to marry a 1 year old?>>535883322Marriage predates the virgin birth and also exists outside of that understanding in most of the world.Its useless to try and paint marriage, which existed as a concept in previous generations before, in this degenerate understanding.You can't erase the old testament, intimacy is an inherent right of both parties and to not give it is a sin.Furthermore the idea that rape means you can't be married is disproved in this part of Deuteronomy."If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are caught in the act, the man who lay with her shall give fifty shekels of silver to the young woman’s father, and she shall become his wife. Because he violated her he shall not be permitted to divorce her as long as he lives."If you rape a woman you are forced to marry her in the torah.The torah is confirmed as legitimate in the bible, even if its laws are no longer followed.Rape doesn't break marriage.
>>535882583I will use my property how I like
>>535893287womens words are always truth and men always are liars. #metoo
>>535882583If a wife won't have sex with her husband, she has broken the martial contract
>>535882583“I do” is consent forever
>>535883225No, not in the vows lol. You put it in the prenup. I’ve seen weight management in prenups, I would imagine can put some sort of intimacy requirement, but like the weight it’s kind of backwards in that in there is a lack (or gain of ten pounds) then there is a penalty or loss of allowance, or loss of marriage completely.
>>535891709What is it about then?
>>535892707Anon, men will get guilt tripped into the latter and silently regret but still support their decision.
>>535896070good luck trying to find a court to enforce your prenup.
>>535896135family. infanticide used to be frowned upon and birth control was unreliable expensive or dangerous.
>>535896372women dont want to have families. the only reason to be with a woman is for sex.
>>535896205Currently the latter is the only option. 'Society' has been guilt tripped already. But if there were something better maybe a few would choose it and get to enjoy raping and being raped. Others might be jealous and decide they want that too
>>535897164I agree. its just thats the point of marriage when people lived in a world where sex had consequences. its an outdated concept. propagating your culture and identity is just a silly old ideal of the past. we should live in a constant state of revolution where the state has ultimate control over peoples lives
Actual rape or retroactively declared rape? Retroactively declared forced sex or retroactively declared lack of overt consent? Retroactively declared lack of overt consent or consent that was actually overtly given, even in writing via texts or whatever, then retroactively withdrawn because feminazism means women are eternal children and every contract can be invalidated by feelings?Do you think this is as judaic as it gets? I can keep going...Except by feminist fiat, every sexual encounter is rape now.
you belong in jail RapeApe way way way better than what will happen to you when everyone know what you did with your life fat failure
>>535882583Marriage is implicit consent forever to do sexual things to one another whenever the fuck you want. One body, one flesh, you can't rape yourself.
>>535897787There's a difference between is and should be.
nope. but in a christcucked jewtopia it is.
>>535897492>we should live in a constant state of revolutionSlowly but surely. It happens in every age with every generation. Women and men are only doing this because of the way the system is set up.Good luck trying to escape and go off grid with a woman and live a humble, simple life. That was the go to back then and those guys had it made. They became patriarchs and made a lot of babies and a lot of money. Those people played it smart.Today, you have to compete with capitalism for your wife.I just wonder what led women to adopting the ideology of the enemy?
>>535898568women are meant to follow the leader. they have literally been bred to do this like any of the other animals we have domesticated. the unfortunate part is women have correctly identified that their husband is not their leader but rather the state. the only way to resolve the problem is to give men sovereignty over their family.
>>535882844hot
Good question
>>535882583You enter a contract where you give unlimited access to your body (within reason, as for example when you're gravely ill or recovering from childbirth etc) when you sign the marriage contract. Obviously marriage can be terminated as any other contract, with whatever contractual penalty was agreed on. If you don't like the terms of the contract, don't sign it. Individuals can draw up marriage contracts that don't include access to their spouse's body, if so inclined. Retards inevitably complicate things due to them being retards.
>>535882583If it's not I don't want to get married.
Didn't become illegal until the 90's
>>535882816Simp logic. There’s no point of a wife when she doesn’t put out daily. By that logic I can skip marriage and just go straight to jacking off instead. Men do not wives.
>>535900070Lol. People are born free. Getting married =/ Signing your body away
>>535899386>they have literally been bred to do thisWomen breed themselves, retard.
>>535896070>I’ve seen weight management in prenupsAnd those will get dismissed by a judge, while he laughs at the silliness of it. You can sign whatever prenup you can type. But at the divorce moment, the only thing that matters is the law. If you have conditions like 'you gain 30 pounds, we divorce and you don't get alimony'. That's invalid. If whatever contract includes conditions that violate someone's rights, then the contract is invalid.
>>535896070And that's not exclusive to marriage contracts. Any type of contract. Employment, purchase, business, rent ... If it runs counter to someone's rights, it becomes invalid.
>>535901277men would decide what women breed before this cursed century. we have been cohabitating forever, are you suggesting that we have always had a matriarch and all the claims about historical male oppression are fabricated? or you just think we didn't cull off any of the problematic women? you think we forced men to take care of and provide for demon women all along?
>>535892603>if a woman is ignoring her husband's needs intimately without reason, she is a bad spouse inherently regardless of any merits or goodness in her.Correct. A faulty spouse. That still doesn't mean that you're allowed to assault her, if she says no to sex (which is what the incels on this thread are arguing)
>>535892338You're confusing obligation with forced sex. The solution for a sexless marriage, is a divorce. Not sexual assault.
Yes marital rape is possible. Marriage is not an agreement to have sex whenever the other party wants it.Yes it is possible to revoke consent during sex, at which point one should stop as soon as one is able.No it is not possible to revoke consent to an act that has already occurred. This is a logical absurdity.
>>535882583Yes, you can rape your wife >and she'll probably love it
>>535890433>become her slave for the rest of your life.That's not how divorce works.
>>535883185In my state, we have the following definitions in law: >(14) "Sexual intercourse" (a) has its ordinary meaning and occurs upon any penetration, however slight, and>(b) Also means any penetration of the vagina or anus however slight, by an object, when committed on one person by another, whether such persons are of the same or opposite sex, except when such penetration is accomplished for medically recognized treatment or diagnostic purposes, and>(c) Also means any act of sexual contact between persons involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another whether such persons are of the same or opposite sex.>A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when, under circumstances not constituting rape in the first or second degrees, such person engages in sexual intercourse with another person:>(a) Where the victim did not consent as defined in *RCW 9A.44.010(7), to sexual intercourse with the perpetrator; or>(b) Where there is threat of substantial unlawful harm to property rights of the victim.Yeah it's rape, bro. It's sex, without consent, so it's rape.
No these laws are heinous and female supremacist/feministic
>>535882583Check the bible, its pretty clear about this specific thing.>A woman may only deny the sex if she wants time to pray, else it risks temptation or some shit
>>535902469The definition of rape isn’t sex without consent. You’ve been mindbroken by feminism. The definition of rape for ages has been "forced sex" (physically forced, by violence, threat, etc.)It still is in many countries including in SK which is the only first world country I know where men actually fight back against feminism. They tried to change to your feministic definition and reverted it back to physically forced sex.If a husband does rape his wife by using violence against her, he can be prosecuted for battery.The concept of marital rape is just heinous.
>>535882583Yeah this shit is crazy. They're literally married. What does marriage even mean then? It's like incomprehensible. Like dry water.
>>535882828I'm going to personally rape your faggot ass after the collapse
>>535883373Your body is just as much the property of your wife as her body is yours. No you can't just treat her like your personal sex slave without rights because you agreed to marriage, and No, that isn't just some modern feminist idea either.>The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.>t. some random 2000 year old book.
>>535882649Im curious what feeling assworms on dickhead feels like No homo
>>535883522>one of the few grounds for divorce historicallyreally?Like as far as I know there is only one instance (technically two) in which a christian marriage can be divorced according to the bibleAnd that is adultery.The other case specifically mentiones "unbelievers" so not really a christian marriage.So the only circumstances to get actual divorce in the sense that you can remarry with a christian partner are:>1) one of you cheats and fucks someone else>2) one of you gets fcking excommunicated and isn't a christian anymore>3) one of you is 6ft under.What is however permissable is the concept of "seperation".That basically means you're still technically married, you just don't live together anymore and dont have to act as husband and wife, you can't get a new partner or sleep around as that would be adultery etc. so that means you either reconcile with your seperated spouse or you basically have to go monk mode for the rest of your life.So even a thousand years ago, if you treated your wife like some kind of sex slave without rights that you can treat however you want, she could just go back to her paternal family and live with her father or something.That rarely happened because of social stigma, economic concerns, her being unable to take the kids with her, etc. but "rarely" isn't "never" and that was fully legal and supported by christian doctrine.So if you think that in the past marriage basically meant you just get a female sex slave and punching bag for you to play with as you wish... well you're wrong and an idiot.
