I think Western culture is the only culture in which losers are more revered than victors. Be it Vlad Tepes, Leonidas, Chetniks, Napoleon or Hitler. They are worshipped by millions of Westoids. While victors are looked at with disdain.
>>535901177you and the author of this article are both sissy cucks
>this guy walks up to you and tells you you're a loser for liking SpartansWhat do?
Spartans had to dress up girls in boys clothing and cut their hair to get their faggot men to fuck thembasically America in a few decades
>>535901180They were based tomboy enjoyers
>>535901180This is already happening in Suomi.
>>535901177>bad history
>>535901177I'd say they idolise last stands and forlorn hopes, unfortunately women literally are incapable of understanding these. Also makes light about the confederate hate because the fact it was a lost struggle is kind of the point; if the confederates won and then crumbled or immediately reintegrated then they wouldn't have such a powerful myth.
>>535901177East Asia has culture of worshipping losers too. For Japan, Minamoto Yoshitsune for example, and for China, 劉備
>>535901180damnmore based than i thought
>>535901177>I think Western culture is the only culture in which losers are more revered than victorno it isn't retard, the tragic hero archetype is present pretty much everywhere.serbian political culture is centered around venerating a battle that they lostshia cultures like iran venerate ali who was assassinated, and his son husayn who died and lost at the battle of karbalajaps have the 47 ronin, indians have tipu sultan, it's not a western thing.
>>535901184The South was liked until the recently
>>535901177The Spartans won so hard that the Athens bitches still cry to this day
>>535901177The Spartans won both the Persian Wars and the Pelopponesian War, they're objectively the winners of the entire classical city state period until Macedonia (a kingdom rather than a city state) wiped the floor with everyone and still didn't conquer them.
>>535901177What can you expect from a culture that deifies Jesus Christ, aka pain and suffering as the greatest virtue
>>535901177blame hollywood jews for indoctrinating amermutts with 300 spartans vs Persia to form an opinion for future war. the US is a unique country, they can even make money out of a battle they lost (viet).
>>535901180Based taste.
>>535901177SPARTAN HOPLITES
>>535901190They got raped so hard by thebes they never recovered
>>535901177ohnononononononoHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
he's rightspartans were running a shitty slaver state and died off due to not being able to breedathens > shittaalsoROMA > gayreeks
>>535901179https://youtu.be/4aof9KxIJZo?si=D9uX7pCE9OZzFLo9&t=21obviously
>>535901190Athens' legacy is far more substantial than Sparta. Modern democracy would not exist without the groundwork put in by Athens. When people think "ancient greece", the picture in their mind would be of Athens, not Sparta.Spartans were failures who barely expanded beyond their neighbours. Modern society would not even care about them if 300 was never made.
Lakedaimonia survived as an independent polity for almost 1000 years. By that margin the romans were also losers. The mongols were giant losers, their empire only lasted like 200 years. Everyone who is not independent right now and hasn't existed for around 1000 years is a giant loser. Is there even such a place? maybe.. San Marino. That's right. San Marino are the only chad victors in the world right now, everyone else are giant LOSERS
Sparta is JomonAthens is Yayoi
>>535901177>remember that cool thing you liked as a kid? actually it's lame and gayWhy are modern historians and scientists like this? First they ruin the dinosaurs now they are after romans and spartans
Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle all admired Sparta and thought Athens should emulate it.
Know who else are losers? Palestine
>>535901180Their hate for women is impressive.
>>535901177We need to start revering winners.
>>535901179>Stand in a deep formation and walk over him Worked against the spartans.
They're right about Sparta being shit but I bet they completely gloss over the fact that most of their downfall was due to being hugely matriarchal.
>>221853010I mean, dudes like Napoleon and Hitler are examples and one of the few times Europeans were MORE OR LESS unified.At least more unified and less cucked compared to the current EU and they achieved a lot more than them.Sure they lost but they’re not gonna revere dudes like Stalin kek. They’re gonna revere their own dudes. That’s pretty normal though. I don’t think Spartans have much to do with the current Europeans though, Spartans are extinct, gone, destroyed. Meanwhile the Persians are well and fine(even with the current clusterfuck lol). Also if you want my personal and of course biased opinion rather than Spartans it’s Georgians who did miraculous things against Persians, for example the mini Georgian kingdom of Kakheti(not even United Georgia) managed to bog down and annihilate a large number of Shah Abbas’s elite troops who had one of the best armies at that time and kept fighting against them non -stop so much so that that shah abbas dude was absolutely stupefied. In the end he even attempted to depopulate the place while taking some of them to Fereydan(known as Fereydan Georgians now) of course in the end he still couldn’t succeeed. Kakhetians managed to get him to have PTSD but anyhow what I want to say is that we kicked a lot of ass despite the odds being against us like 10 times more than with Spartans and most importantly managed to survive.
>>535901177Spartans were always overrated. They were really only formidable for a brief snapshot of history and even then only because of the alliances they were in. Alexander called them mice and Antipater crushed their rebellion in a single battle. When Rome showed up she rolled right over them like every other Greek city.
>>535901190Thebes. The final victor was Thebes. They invented the pike phalanx, too, adapted it from Iphicrates' reform infantry into the phalanx that Philip of macedon copied. This is why Alexander destroyed thebes, this is why thebes fell due to mismanaged defence instead of battlefield victory, they lacked the tactical flexibility of the macedonians, but their infantry was cut from the same cloth, and theirs was drilled on it for generations, had more experience, and in fighting against greeks instead of barbarians. Absolutely nothing about philips army besides their prior cavalry traditions, and the acquisition of Thracians and agrianians was separate or deviated from the model of the theban army.
>>535901177They were homosexuals and betrayed Greece for (((Persia))). Wait a moment...
>>535901180False. Spartan women were actually considered among the most beautiful because they exercised in gymnastics. In fact, Helen of Troy, the most beautiful woman in the Iliad, was Spartan.
>>535901177Let's worship Greek deities unironically
>>535901177What victors?
>>535902045The Iliad is historical fiction
>>535902045>Helen of Troy, the most beautiful womanThere is no proof of this, other than folklore and fiction.
>>535902167Your worldview is unintentionally written full of lies forced down your throat by Jewish misinformation campaigns and your own willingness to eat shit and be a thoughtless monkey. Your worldview is garbage, what you think means nothing, you're a shabbos goy useful idiot.
>>535902257Freemasons mad
>>535902045Greek were faggots and were only attracted to women who looked like men.
>>535902282Okay but The Iliad is literally historical fiction. It's as real as the Minotaur or Heracles cleaning the Augean Stables.
I mean objectively they are.They got their shit pushed in by Macedons and Romans and then faded into irrelevence, until they started making movies about them.
>>535902167jew fairy tales and all the cults based on them are fiction.
>>535902427>"Okay but what if I keep spouting my idiot nigger worldview?"You're dumb, gay, you weren't there, your not special, go pick radishes you dumb fucking serf.
>>535902437>Roofing tile incoming
Sometimes, you must lose to win.
>paradigmatic kallipolis by the very judgement of the most famous Athenian philosopher himself, Socrates>numerically a super minority ruled by the finest standards of political excellence and eugenic fitness who controls a slave population that outnumbers them at least 7 to 1>most stable system lasting centuries and making them eventually even the hegemon of Greeceno wonder it maks subhuman dysgenic freaks seethe at its mere mention, they cannot imagine anything that isn't bugman politics of numbers and circuses
>>535902522>you weren't thereNeither were you, and yet here you are believing FICTIONAL poems about cyclopses and dudes who were literally invincible save for if you hit them in the ankle.
>>535901177>victors are looked at with disdainSuch as who?
>>535902736You don't know what I believe, either. Still, you project. You're a nigger, my guy. You're stupid, relativistically looped into your own self obsession of existential recollection. You lack probably half of all human senses.
Childhood is idolizing Sparta, adulthood is realizing Athens was superior.
>>535901179He's right, you're supposed to grow out of thinking Sparta is cool by age 13
>>535902867That's the real question. Macedonians and Romans were way more chuddy than the Spartans. Who are they trying to pedestalize?
>>535902257>>535902167>>535902282It was real. In fact, they found the tomb of a woman associated with Helen of Sparta.
>>535901177>date cropped off>no link100% fake article
>>535901192Most things are about either spreading "communism" (which isn't even what it is, they've managed to totally subvert the definition with woke liberal clowns so they could enact fascism without anyone the wiser)>>535901177rewriting history, changing the narrative, or again completely subverting a thing. we wuz kangz for example is something that was entirely setup and created by vampires (northeastern devils) through a propaganda network they setup within the western education system during the Cold War.Anyone who calls Spartans losers is either retarded, a human with the IQ of a parrot, or just a nigger.
>>535901177>(((Foreign Policy mag)))>owned by (((David Frum)))>the same (((David Frum))) who advocated the genocide of all WhitesJust a reminder that Israel has been destroyed at least three times, and I'm all for it happening for a fourth.
>>535902882>You're a nigger, my guy. You're stupid,poos are so oblivious to their poo behavoir
>>535902689>Being worried about your dozens of slaves rising up and killing you 24/7 is the best political system bro trust me
>>535901203Thucydides literally knew people who came later would underestimate Sparta compared to Athens based on what they left behind but still stanned the fuck out of them.
>>535902927>t. feminist tranny Fuck off
>>535903161Sparta was the most feminist state in Greece, basically a pseudo matriarchy
>>535902167Troy has been located, dumbfuck nigger.
>>535903312This guy knowsRead a book you retardsSparta's politics were overwhelmingly run by filthy rich women who inherited 100% of their husbands' estates after they died in battle and who often married and inherited 3 or 4 times because their husbands kept dying in battle and because Sparta's inheritance laws were pants-on-head retarded
>Westerners: Value actual good ideas, not just "right side of history" grug thinking.>Easterners: "Daddy warlord/dictator won the war, therefore he right."
>>535903457That's great! The Iliad is still historical fiction, though!
>>535902963this is still jewish science, she might have looked like that, but how the fuck would scientists figure out how long her hair was or her eye color
>>535901183Well done anon, you openly made me chuckle.
>>535901177>proto-fascist>saves democracy from browns coming to impose totalitarianismthis is just a reminder that college students are little more than the global elite's pay pigs.
>>535902167prety much yeah
>>535904004>saves democracy from brownsAnd then not even a whole century later betrayed the rest of Greece and allied with said browns
>>535903684In the bones, specific genes related to eye pigmentation can be found. In addition, murals from that era are preserved, therefore it can be inferred how women wore their hair during that period of time.
>>535901177>Bad historyAll history is bad, Chaim. Greeks hated Persians, Persians hated Mongols, Mongols didn't write much history because they were too busy crushing pussy and burning cities. Shit that "happened" 80 years ago didn't even happen. It's all horseshit for nerd faggots.Herstory = nerd kike faggots with booksHistory = chads crushing pussy and burning libraries for the lolzThen these nerds will cry about how we need to study history so we can learn from it. Oh yea? When has that ever happened in all of history? Dumb fucking bitch.
>>535902352>>535901180>>535901981Why are modern historians obsessed with saying >you know all that cool shit? It was actually gay and>these two good friends? They had tons of gay sex with each other all the time
>>535902963We found fuckin troy.
>>535901177wait until they find out Spartan women had the best rights in ancient Greece
>>535901177In loss there are powerful lessons. Many of the West's greatest losers tower over the East's greatest victors. No one cares about Kerpal Gupta Singh or Chong Ping Jang's victories.
>>535904637Freemasonry. Satanist cultural revisionist secret societies.
>>535904764Which one? There were multiple ancient cities that were called Troy. The one archeologists found a decade or two ago was the Troy that Alexander stopped at near Gallipoli while he was on his way to invade the Persians.Also, historical fiction most of the time takes place in real places.
>>535905016You're a worthless contribution to the human race, you know.
>>535901177>Good men being overwhelmed by hordes of savages and/or betrayed is a good thing goyKill yourself.
>>535901177>t. Phillip of Macedon
>>535901178Bret's a bit of a lefty, but I've read his blog from time to time for years and he's a decent military historian. His series on the Spartans was interesting.https://acoup.blog/category/collections/this-isnt-sparta/
>>535901180>girls in boys clothing and cut their hair
>>535901180no that's you on a friday night but mirrored
>>535901177>>535901197Kingdom of Macedonia >>>>>> all gayreek city states
>>535901179how did I know he was french before checking the name
>>535901177Spartans were always losing hard against Athens, true. They were fucking the rest tho.>>535901180>Spartans were mandating tomboys for all menBut jokes aside it's funny that a culture associated with manly men soldiers turned out to be actually controlled by a few women because only spartans could own land in sparta and spartan women were the only ones who could birth new Spartans. Whenever a male managed to survive the training and reached adulthood he was given some land. If that dude died the land would be given to his wife.The problem was that spartan women could remarry and whenever the next dude died that land would also be given to her. At some point the tightest cunts would get so much land that they won't even need to spread their legs to get new husbands, they dude would beg them for shit because those few women would hold big chunks of the farm lands.In truth the spartan society was controlled by the two kings, their alternative to the senate and a bunch of old hags who were constaly being chases by younger power hungry dudes that want a piece of their wealth for a shortwhile at the very least until they fucking died in some battlefield because those females would also lobby for more war so they could get even more land.
>>535901831>Thebes was the final victor>Alexander crushed Thebes>No one crushed AlexanderSure sounds like Alexander was the final victor….
>>535901179Force feed him Dbol until he attains common sense.
>>535902045She was spartan only through marriage.Her husband Menelaus was spartan.
>>535901197One of the interesting things about sparta is that they were militaristic not because they liked war but because they believed the slaves they first conquered and replaced would inevitably revolt and replace them. So they had to appear strong so the slave would never revolt.In the end they actually never did but the spartan power decayed so fucking hard that at the point when rome was growing and invaded greece, the spartans were just a side note and there so very few actual spartans around they didn't even put out a fight.In the end the spartan way killed so many of their own for nothing while also concentrating the power in so very few that manage to survive through political schemes that they sank into obscurity and died with a whimper.Big sad actually but such civilization was bound to die like this.
>>535901177>historian in Roman economy and military >talks about Greeks
>>535901179He got Jew ears and a Jewish hairline
>>535901180
>>535901177Romanticization of war is for people who don't actually understand war, war is what failing economies doWe actually regressed, a lot of the anti-war Ron Paul types understood this 14 years ago
>>535901177who is this victor you talking about?any names?
>>535901177It’s true. They have women way too many rights.
>>535901177>specialising in Roman economythis is an entirely speculative field as we actually know next to nothing about the Roman economic and financial system. There are next to no source materials on that.
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>>535901177Even the biggest winner will lose eventually.>>535902167>historical fictionExactly, it obviously takes inspiration from the real world. I very much doubt they would make THE MOST beautiful women in the world come from some place known for ugly women, unless it's some kind of comedy, which it is not.
>>535901179Kek Now post Jamboy OP
>>535901177On a long enough timeline, literally everyone is a loser. Also, Sparta was brought down by women's rights. I'm not kidding.
>>535901179This guy would be so fucking fun to bully.
>>535907700I guarantee he hates Rome just as much as he hates Sparta. The only reason he studies Rome is because he enjoys pointing out how shitty they were compared to his beloved Athens. Both things are blended together in his mind. It's an archetype, a standard jew golem.
>>535901177academia HATES Sparta. Anyone watch that one historian that just goes around on podcasts talking about ditches and how Spartans were not very good soldiers because they were non professional land owner class
>>535901831>the only thing Philip did was revolutionize cavalry >Alexander used cavalry to win all his battles See how stupid you sound?
Women (and gay) side with the winners so they don't need to suffer anything and can punish the losersMen (White) side with the losers because they want to build it up again to make it win this time.Men (White) build things. The others don't
>>535901177to be fair, spartans were pretty retarded and were regularly exposed as larpers by the based chads of athens and corinth
>>535909957That's not true. They root for plenty of losers. Anyone who went against Rome/the Catholic church and lost for example. It's not a short list.
>>535901177They're far too masculine for the leftists to tolerate. I wonder why that is.
>>535901177Is that why we’re so into Indians and today?
>>535902977>Fake article, I'm sure of itYou were saying? Don't worry, I know you won't read it. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/22/sparta-popular-culture-united-states-military-bad-history/
>>535901179i will not tolerate this disrespect and prepare for battle
>>535901177 But /pol/ likes the romans and despises the jews, and romans unquestionably won their war against Judea, completely curbstomped those dweebs.
And you would be wrong. The cult of the doomed hero, who loses in the end but put up a good fight, is a central part of Japanese culture ranging from ancient race heroes to the "Last Samurai" who rebelled against modernization. Read this book, it's a real gem, on the topic written by a famed Japan scholar - this is an archetype all over Jap pop culture, movies, anime etc. as well - put up the good fight and it's not the destination but the trip along the way that matters.
>>535901177>Spartans were actually social-marxists>Spartans were actually proto-fascists and were fucking losers and so are you REEEEEEThe US military needs to just make a list of Western topics to bring up so academia will drop their gay nigger-fication campaign out of spite
>>535901177Nietzsche talked about how the strong, the powerful, and the beautiful will always eventually be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of the mediocre masses. In cases mentioned these "losers"of history were strong warrior cultures superior to their enemies by any kind of pound for pound or man to man metric. Unfortunately that's not what wins wars. Sheer economic and demographic mass wins wars. 1000 subhuman peasants with muskets will always beat 100 elite cavalrymen with swords. This is scalable to all levels of warfare and human competition in general and the reason behind the gradual dsygenic decline that eventually destroys all great civilizations. Does that mean we should root for the flea instead of the lion? Should we not want the best of humanity to win out? For things to actually get better? For mankind to improve and accomplish the unthinkable? Or should we cheer on the resentful masses destroying the exceptional over and over again?
>>535901177Yes, Americans supporting Hitler is amazing to me. You support the enemy of your country that lost spectacularly against you, instead of your own country, that won and became a superpower. Just loser mentality.
>>535901177OP, I'm not worshipping Spartans. I'm worshipping Gerard Butler, an actor, who is acting, and pretending to be a Spartan in a very cool action movie that's based on a comic book and not exactly historical fact. So maybe chill out and stop taking fiction so seriously.
>>535901177Leonidas was a tactical defeat but a strategic victory. The delay allowed for the evacuation of Athens and the related naval clapback.
>>535901179Compliment his hair
>>535901831The real power house before Alexander was Jason of Pherae. Thebes with their Sacred Band elite unit was promoting vile homo sex on the battlefield. Utter disgrace
>>535907437>>No one crushed Alexander>killed by a mosquitothat's a side character's type of death
>>535901177warrior societies burn bright for a short amount of time. they don't make compromises and deals in order to stay around for thousands of years.
>>535901177>No don’t have a masculine warrior based society with women in traditional roles >Don’t train and fight back to protect your land
>>535901177The elites and nobles were a warrior class similar to feudal Japan with the Samurai.
>>535907625Thats exactly backwards, helen was princess of sparta
>>535901177Sparta did well vs Persia, beat the pudding out of Athens, Alexander didn't bother fighting them, and even well past their peak one of their Generals helped Carthage not get rolled by Rome. Sure they're a little overhyped, but they still did very well.This just seems more to be about taking away cool things. Okay then, Article, who really should be idolized? Lemme guess, some backwater village that claims to have tons of gold in Africa or similar epic copes? Pass.
>>535903554Just like America's founding!
>>535912160>I watched a historymarche video Unlike attic armies, who had too many gays to distinguish from other citizens , boeotians had a tendency to put their fags next to their lovers as shock troops pressed between the enemys and the theban military elite, because they'd fight like cornered rats with nowhere to go. If you think "spend the queers" is a place of honour, you've spent too much time sucking satanist dick in brickwork lodges. >>535909889Philip didn't revolutionize cavalry, nor did I claim the differences between his model and the theban were all he did, the hellenic league is nothing to sneeze at, its built off of the winning model from the Peloponnesian war. I said the macedonians army that Philip built was a copy of the theban model, with their local rip off of thessalian cavalry, and thracian conscripts who threw things quite well being the only significant difference in his martial structure, and Alexander would not could not on a boat do a fucking god damn thing without tens of thousands of foot. "He won it all with his cavalry" is shorthand for "I know actually fucking nothing about Hellenic linear warfare"
>>535907437>That faggot who took Daddy's army and daddys generals east to ruin a better empire If darius wasn't incredibly stupid, Alexander wouldn't have looked like a genius.
>>535901180You know what, I dont believe that. Same thing with Hitler being gay/jewish/micropenis/1 testicale/3 testicles/malformed testicles and everytbing else. Spartans are considered to be the "most alpha" White men in history, so why not discredit them at every turn? This whole bullshit about Greeks being raging homos, the Spartans not fucking girls, Achillies being gay, Alexander the Great being gay, I dont believe any of it anymore. Every bit of it is bullshit. Why would the rate of homosexuals be nearly everyone, then 1-3% and now back up to 25%? What it sounds like is something has been introduced to us that is making men more effeminate and women more aggressive. We know its true about women, they develop younger every generation. Men's sperms counts also drop by the decade. All of this sounds like a bunch of shit thats trying to mislead us into thinking "its always been this way" Fuck that, its all a lie
>>535901180Homophobia is not European.
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>>535901199Gayest post ever. The Spartans were massively respected in the ancient ages. They could make armies turn around just by sending witty remarks.
>>535903684strands of hair determining hair length and color.
>>535901177
>>535901180Yeah they were fags and unironic cuckolds
>>535901177Of course persians always win
>>535903684>the illiad is jewishLol. How mindfucked do you have to be to think this?>>535902257>>535902167Lets put on our thinking caps for a second nigger. Regardless if Helen of troy was real, if everyone thought spartan women were but ugly they never would have bought thr story. Now please stop being a nigger. The jews have officially broken you.
>>535901179Pull on his ears until he agrees to shave his head
>>535901191Jews have ZERO self awareness, LOL
>>535901197>spartans were running a shitty slaver stateThat was basically every state of the era and most non state tribes as well.
>>535913314>getting his takes from videoskys pleb
>>535904637cause they are fags and trying too shoehorn themselves in history to justify their modern mafia power
>>535902045extinct phenotype
>>535901203Aristotle definitely didn't admire Spartans, he basically calls them corrupt brutes that are completely incompetent at everything that isn't war, even if he praised a few of elements of their political system.Socrates and Plato weren't complete laconophiles either (a bunch of their followers were though) and the ideal society that Plato discusses in his Republic is incompatible with several of the Spartan values.
>>535913800>if Helen of troy was realShe would be a nigger, /pol/ accept defeat and Nolan was right
>>535914333... Helen of Troy was from Sparta, not [insert clicking sounds here]
>>535902045>>535902045Helen was actually an African woman with ebony skin and a gorgeous hairless head.
>jew rat gnaws at the roots of your culture and identityWe need to talk more about how the jews in Israel aren't real jews and are just larping.
>>535904637>modern historiansRead Plutarch's life of Lycurgus where he records that the Spartan men had lovers among the young men in training.
>>535901177Eglin Air Force Base has really cranked the anti-White pro-evil propaganda up to 11 in the past year. We must be on the verge of absolute revolution.
>>535914635I don't doubt that there was some homosexuality sometimes, but today they teach you every historical person had tons of secret gay sex (even as they insist that gay sex was totally acceptable in almost every society until today)
>>535914635>political enemies called one another gay>news at 11
>>535904615This. Every piece of history is plebbitor shit and for 99.99999999% of humans life was>Wake up>Earn your living>Socialize>Go to sleepIn some rural place where nothing happened, or some urban place where nothing happened."History" does not reflect real life at all and is literally just science niggers writing historical fiction about kangs and kweenz that are .0001% of the population.History is more or less just a playground where toy soldiers fight each other, as none of the other shit is ever recorded or cared about. Literally nobody cares about some guy from 1500s speaking about his cow, everyone cares about the capture of Quebec by the british.
>>535901177NOW people care about accurate history all of a sudden?
>A civilization didn't last forever so they are automatically losers The Spartans were bad asses that dominated the Mediterranean for a time. They just lost because eventually someone great arrived. There is no shame on that. It will eventually happen to all civilizations pretending to be immune from the march of time is childish.
>>535909192Lmao, best reply
>>535901188After about the mid 1990s we crossed the point where, within america, the confederacy is more generally popular than the united states of america. this has led to significant backlash from economically interested parties.
>>535914635That was fake news according to Xenophon's "Constitution of the Lacedaemonians" aka "Spartan Supermen are Our Superiors"
>>535901177Ofc they won't talk about our National heroes who fought jews and free masons throught our histories.
History demonstrates that martyrs are winners. It is probably the highest most noble end a person can aspire to. Basically, there are heroes, saints, poets, artists, muses, and martyrs. Everything else is just banality.
>>535907664>im a brown or slavic ESL here is my opinion about ancient europelollmao
>>535902045>of Troy>was Spartan
>>535913975You don't speak English well enough for an English language forum, sweetie.
>>535915023>I don't doubt that there was some homosexuality sometimes, but today they teach you every historical person had tons of secret gay sex (even as they insist that gay sex was totally acceptable in almost every society until today)Almost like that happened long before a Jewish cult came a long and claimed a God said it was wrong.
>>535914333>>535914413Helen of DeTroy't
>>535916429Then why was it always in secret? They claim they can't prove it and no supporting documents exist to prove the gayness, but it must be true anyway, even though apparently there was no reason to be secretive about it apparently ao was evidence should exist
>>535915626... are you trying to be ironic or do you not even know the basics of the most influential western literary work ever produced outside the bible?
>>535905531>locking that goblin in your basement and raping it while its hair grows longer month after month. After 6 months you got a feminine basement succubus snarling on your cockhnnnngggh
>>535910877meh, their modern pop culture is "become a legend with no effort at all and get lots of sex"
>>535901177What utter nonsense. Those mentioned are admired for their victories from underdog positions or for their resistance against evil. No one doubts that evil ultimately triumphed.
>>535903554go say it at the multi-layered walls of troy, still carrying the deep scars of fire and war.All history is ultimately fiction as it's written from the singular perspective of its writer and interpretation of faulty sources
>>535901177reminder
>>535917189That's not what I'm talking about. Morris book was a reaction to the suicide of Yukio Mishima and only goes up to the KamiKaze era.
>>535901180Like good Spartans, they despised women and only had sex with them for reproductive purposes. For amusement, they preferred to be with beardless young men.
>>535902427just stop talking anon. the minotaur was a real person. he was a king who demanded virgins. go back to worshipping your levitating jew who feeds you foreskins. white culture aint for you.
You know Spartans were based because, like the Druids and Greeks, the Romans tried to call all of them gay even though nothing else about them added up. So you know they were actually super badass after all and it's not just the gay movies trying to spin shit again.
>>535901180>in a few decadesI'm sorry - did you miss the whole epslein thing? I mean Lepstain. No, wait, it was Prestine, right? What was his name? The guy had an island and stuff. He was in the news for a long time. Apparently he was diddling kids or something. I'm surprised I can't remember what his name was.
>>535901180>Wrestling with naked spartan boys and showing them how to be warriorsH-hot
>>535901177Upholding tragic heroes who died for a cause they believed in is European thing, you wouldn't get it.
>>535902257>This character is renowned for their beauty>"source??"
That’s right chuds. Judaism won, wielding their weapon, Christianity. Pack it up
>>535909192There it is!
>>535901177>Bret DevereauxYeah, the guy that jerks it to Athenian propaganda is angry that Sparta won and seethes about CaesarianismHaven't looked but 90% sure he'll have an essay about Napoleon being a monarchist fascist or whatever Shocker
>>535901508>>535909406sparta was brought down because a proto-christcuck who was being fed religious psyops by jews who thought jews were related to hercules was convinced to ignore Lycurgis, the founder of Sparta, and his explicit order never to mint money. within a generation probably the wealthiest country in human history was completely broke thanks to this fell for it award winner who inspired jews to create christianity.http://discoveringancienthistory.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/the-jews-of-sparta-diplomatic-origins-of-religious-synchronization/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areus_I>>535915023its because bad faith translators like christcucks, jews, and proto-christcuck conquered imperial romans being fed jewish propaganda with imperial seals will see the paid/παιδ prefix and immediately assume it meant child molestation, despite the prefix being used in dozens of non-sexual contexts, not to mention was used to describe the standard model of education at the time, the master/apprentice system. but they selectively choose how they want to apply it, based on who they want to smear. theyll smear the most hetero figures of history, the spartans, and the most hetero god in history, zeus, a known womanizer and habitual chad rapist, for example.https://biblehub.com/greek/3811.htmtheres a specific word for pedophile, παιδόφιλος, but people seem to think because pedo means pedo now, pedo meant pedo then. so completely unsexualized words become denatured and associated with pedophiles because of spiritually jewish translators. i think because greeks were the first to create a word to describe those people, jews have had it out for them ever since.
>>535901177There was no fascism until 1919 and anybody talking like there is fascism today is a demented, deluded freak that isn't talking about real things.
>>535905241you're bret, aren't you. fags who can't win a fist fight are always talking about how badass men of the past weren't REALLY that badassit's cope
>>535901177Proto fascism? Weren't Spartan women known to rule the men?
>>535901189Prominent Athenian writers like Xenophon were Spartaphiles who admired Sparta for their cultural ideals and martial ability. Admiring Sparta in the US is actually a continuation of the Athenian tradition.
>>535913567>round up all the fags>get them to fight your wars for you>allow them to all be killed, wiping out all the fagsbased
>>535917672imagine falling for thousand year old jewish propaganda lol
>>535901177>Expert on Rome>writes article about singular greek state that was in decline by the time it encountered rome.
>>535901180God dam I love you Janko, I'd share a beer with you in your sauna anyday!
>>535901180*According to (((sources)))
>>535921174youve clearly never read Platoimagine for a minute, fascism, but without all the bullshit populism because the averaged democracy vooter cant be trusted to make sound decisions about issues beyond their comprehension
>>535912308Thats a deus ex machina death. He was so damn invincible that the gods themselves had to intercede.
>>535914137I saw a fat girl on the bus with that exact phenotype just this morning.
>>535922649Or even within them.
>>535901180I admire their despise for women until every detail
>>535901180>jews lying about ancient enemies
>>535901179Kick xir down into a hole?Or maybe kick xir into one of xir many holes?Guess it may inevitably end up being both.
How does this picture make you feel?Your a fucking white male fascist Nazi.
>>535901177I sure do love leftist history revisionism
>>535901199>le trade kikes who had their city razed every once in a while and managed to sustain democracy that has nothing to do with the modern shitshow for a grand 80 years total with some interruptions, and were essentially irrelevant for most of their history and in every respect besides having some boats and retarded philosopher cunts writing books>superior to literally anybodyThe only reason they are in the historic record is because a handful of their books survived.>the penis mightier than the ACK
>>535901177Spartan monetary system didn't allow international merchants to just leech off their wealth and they are still malding about it to this very day.
Jewish media strikes again
>>535901177on the one hand they did beat athens, on the other they let foids own property
>>535901199>Nobody would care about Spartans if Hollywood didn't make a movie about themZoomer detected.Spartans were very well known before the movie and the story of the 300s was told numerous times before they even made a movie about it.
>>535916839>YOINK, SHE'S TROJAN NOW MOTHERFUCKERSbased paris
>>535911348owned, the state conquers all you tribal dumbfucks
>>535924282Yhea they did the first movie back in 1962 and they actually wore armor rather than being half naked and shaven.
>>535901197They were cucked by their dumbass constitution and matrilineal customs that meant the pool of full-righted citizens constantly dwindled, and so the number of fully-trained, fully-equipped hoplites they could muster declined with the centuries,and eventually got pathetic. Boy, the Gerousia was asleep at the wheel on that one. Might have been for the best, Spartans, badass warriors as they were, produced next to nothing in the fields of philosophy, science, and art, which are basically why most people like the ancient Greeks to begin with, it sets them apart from tribal niggers and barbaric warrior clans, there's a billion of those.
>>535901190>>The Spartans won both the Persian Wars and the Pelopponesian War, they're objectively the winners of the entire classical city state period until Macedonia (a kingdom rather than a city state) wiped the floor with everyone and still didn't conquer them./thread>>535901199Democracy sucks dick and I'd bet money so do you leafjeet.
>>535901179Oof. Brutal self mog
>>535923375Ok but 2 of the hundreds of surviving pottery paintings show homosexuality acts with Satyrs, that means all Greeks were gay right?t. college graduate
>>535904764Would that be a big deal?
>>535902045>Helen of Troy>of Troy>Was Spartan
>>535913473Lmao what a retard
>>535901177That's jewish subversion
>>535913567>3000 years goes by>A gay skeleton was found in GreeceAll academia after 1990>All of Western History was entirely comprised of homosexuals literally no one was straight
>>535901199>story of heroism lasts thousand years >H H HOLYWOOD SAVED THEM FOR ZOOMRRS
>>535913971nah sparta was on a different leveleven other greeks noted how deeply sparta relied on slave labor for basic survival.
>>535927978So what city was Helen taken to when she was kidnapped, causing the war?
>>535913493>They could make armies turn around just by sending witty remarks.you realize sparta avoided getting conquered by phillip and alexander because it was such a poor country it wasn't worth conquering, not because they were witty, right?
>>535927754>/threadNo, Athens is capital of Greece, their political institutions are current, worldwide, whereas the Spartans' ones are laughed at, and Sparte is a village of 3k people, that might not be direct descendants of the Spartans.Name me 10 Spartans without looking it up. Let me see, Athenians... Demostenes, Draco, Perikles, Plato, Solon, Euripides, Thucydides (inland Athens, not the city per se), Aristophanes, Socrates (also from the suburbs, 12 stadia way), and Alcibiades.
They beat democratic Athens so Democrats are the real losers.
>>535901177>Proto fascistThe issue with Spartans is that they ran a slave society, and let their pride rule them.This led to them essentially stagnating for hundreds of years because they thought they were top dogs.It's a lesson on hubris if anything else. Still highly relavent to the US military right now though.
>>535913411Yes it is. Notice Xenophon is in pic related
>>535901177Far left liberal thread.
>>535928332Yhea the Romans did not lose if anything they collapsed because they didn't have anyone left to plunder and loot in war then their own corruption did them in.
>>535903108That jamnigger got real quiet, real quick. They are fucking hilariously predictable. The only thing you can't predict with jamniggers is their bowels.
>>535928558Nah, they collapsed because their entire system was built on a shakey scheme of bread and circuses. As soon as some outside group took away the bread supply the elite abandoned the cities, and the peasants followed for work, and thus they lost their easy manpower and tax base.
>>535928246>avoided getting conquered by phillip and alexander because it was such a poor country it wasn't worth conqueringIt's speculation, obviously, cuz we can't know for sure what Alexander and Phillip were thinking, but Sparta as a threat to keep the League of Corinth united, acting as a boogey man of sorts, might've been a factor too, I've heard college professors say that.
>>535928645If your a slave and the temple burns your not going to obey anymore.Just saying
>>535928645But this issue of course was proceeded by an overall death of civic responsibility that lead to reliance on outside groups to begin with.
>>535901184The brit gets it.First off, women and numales barely understand self sacrifice for something greater than themselves. They only understand self sacrifice for your country if the media tells them "big bad country hurt small innocent country, now we war them" otherwise they'd willfully hand their homeland over to foreigners (and they do)So to try and convey a concept to them, like dying in a final stand, or fighting and dying for a cause related to something abstract like honor, nationhood, an ideology based on complex political thought, ect...that is light-years beyond their comprehension. tl;drNumale in OP cannot rationalize warriorism the way Spartans did, and therefore thinks it means they're losers.
>>535901177>While victors are looked at with disdain.There is a MAJOR CAVEAT to this: the people admiring the LOSERS are often THE VICTORS THEMSELVES. Modern Nazism heavily comes out the USA, the UK and Russia. You would think it wouldn't, but that is very much true. So it's not even an issue of jealousy. Additionally, the nations WHO LOST are often less annoyed about the loss than the VICTORS are about the defeated in the case that they view the defeated as honourable or respectable in some way. This is very much an Aryan trait that is almost universal among Whites. Often Whites hate corruption and dishonourable behaviour to the point it's a eugenic instinct. They are always striving for that heroic simplicity of legend. A completely black and white war where you can prove yourself and be a chad hero with the confidence and comfort of knowing that there is no risk of regret nor risk of moral complexity. The idea that you didn't do this or were tricked into thinking it was good, especially if the other guy was admirable, that drives Whites insane. It's not a glorious victory at that point, it's a horrible and tragic thing.This is why the kveching of Jews and other subhuman races annoys White people.
>>535902167>>535902427Is the Bible fictitious? If you say yes, you're an (((atheist))), if you say no, you're anti White. Either way, you're a faggot
>>535901180>>535918744I can tell that you two are Judeo-Christians because you hate European history and clearly believe that culture makes people gay instead of biology.That is the trick to spotting a pray-the-gay-away Judeo-Christian online.
>>535928863Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. Christianity was entirely Greco-Roman by the time of the Council of Nicaea.
>>535901177It is a historical fact that Sparta lost its influence due to giving Women rights. Women were allowed to inherit and own property in Sparta, which can become an issue in a highly militarized culture where men die young. When a man died, his estate went to his wife, who could and often remarried. And then if all their sons died too, their daughter would inherit an estate, and when HER husband died shed get HIS estate too!After many generations of this, something like 2/3rds of spartan wealth were controlled by a small clique of "heiresses" - who rejected any kinds of reforms that could've brought balance back to their society. instead it stagnated and fell, which is what the author is referring to
>>535928922this is what worthless crosschimpanzees actually believeyeah nothing spells GRAECORVMAN like extinguishing the Vestal fire and destroying the oracle of Dodona, just epically GRAECORVMAN for da win
>>535901190Spartans were what in historiography is called a bad victor, they didn't had capacity to develop the tools to manage victory
>>535921034I gotta say, I'm impressed at how you looked at OPs thread and image and somehow, maybe instinctively, knew that it would be appropriate to start beating up the Judeo-Christians lol. Judeo-Christians and leftists are the lowest form of shit. Their fascination with homosexuality is always interesting because these creepers are invariably gay and bisexual themselves. That is why they believe that heterosexuality is a moral principle to strive towards instead of something that literally activates automatically. This is why the Judeo-Christians spend so much time trying to get guys to hate and ignore women. Their entire main questline is different.
>>535901179>>this guy walks up to you and tells you you're a loser for liking Spartans>What do?
>>535901177>Be friends with jews >LoseChecks out
>>535901177I've always found it funny the Corps. worships a homosexual pagan culture that was overthrown by proto Christians
>>535930107But it wasn't a homosexual culture. Judeo-Christianity is literally a homosexual culture because you believe gay is a "choice"
>>535901197romans industrialized slavery, so I dont even know what you are crying about.
>>535930375We are suffering because of you Donald Trump you are the loser! Every day I have panic attacks the straight white Christian male might openly thank Jesus for beating the kikes with a bullwhip. I demand 40 lashes and your murder.Every sense Aaron Carr and Mark Zuckerberg started the idea of creating a website called Facebook in a old tobacco barn in Davidsonvlle Md it should be clear we want to murder you and erase you from history just for being a white straight male the very idea that you a Christian is further insult to injury.Old Barbara Carr had a husband named Johny that had to fight in WW2 not to lose his farmland to the government. She whould always spend the extra dollar for a jew made product. This was the star of David they put on the Jew in that death camp. Of Course we where glad to murder her and replace her memory with Barbara hope Zuckerberg. She openly turned against us and what we did she a fucking antisemight.
>>535901177just like the alamo or independence song or hitler yes many cases
>>535901179Rape.
This is not fucking sparta 300 Hi we are calling about your Carr's extended warranty it's about to expire.I just realized your the idiot for keeping up this warr with us.
>>535929254its hard to look at european history and not find these weak links. call them christians, call them trailer park whites, theyre there. they are the sorts of people who will sacrifice all their descendants' future fortunes for their own temporary personal prosperity and vanity. its baffling how they were even born into such a noble race. but they range from the lowest of men to kings. completely unprepared for the dangers of this world. little lambs who think the maw of fenrir looks like a cozy place to take a nap. itd be one thing for them to ruin themselves, but they so often seek power just to ruin others. its like someone stepping in front of a bus and posthumously fucking over everyone who happened to be in the bus. there is something so judeo-christian about it all. the sort of evil that transcends beyond mere foolish negligence and breaches well into the realm of deliberate conspiracy; actively aiding and abetting.its why we need sacrifices desu. these sorts of people need to be made examples of. let the gods decide their fate. let them fight a rhino or a lion or a bear to the death with a wooden spoon because the dumbass thought making knives illegal was a good idea. and do it in a public arena for all to witness their shame and humiliation to deter future liabilities.
The only reason we told the story of the 300 is because of the Oprah 9000 penises joke you played on us. 100 hackers and Aaron took over a child abduction kill room extortion ring website with 3,000 members. This is why the CIA was interested in what you where doing. 14 formal complaints to the FBI and they refused to take any action what so ever. The news called them a social Network of hackers and you where just fuck you pay me. There is no leader of anonymousWe don't know where he went he's compromised.
>they lost to the Macedonians, the other proto-fascist stateWow big fucking deal
>>535931882All we are asking is you simply follow are orders and act as are subordinate. Shut the fuck up.Where did you go?
Your doing this 4 Lols right?
You worked for Manhattan harbor and wore a orange jump suit and drove a 1988 Chrysler fifth avenue. You refused to give you tax records to Facebook and be accountable to Zuckerberg. Hello Aaron Paul we murdered Cecil a military veteran for this you don't remember at all the consequences of saying no to the kike? Your still running Nazi death camps you have military guards at them. Trump Tower is a 664-foot-tall skyscraper on Fifth Avenue in Midtown Manhattan.
Cecil the lion hated plz friend me on Facebook.Do you really want that for Zuckerberg to know?We killed him fuck you Nazis.
Yes, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Charlie Kirk a "lion-hearted friend of Israel
>>535901179>THIS GUY IS HERE TO MEET A 12 YEAR OLD BOY!>THIS GUY IS HERE TO MEET A 12 YEAR OLD BOY!
You are thinking of an unnamed Roman soldier whose flatulence during the Passover festival in Jerusalem (around 44–50 AD) sparked a massive riot and deadly stampede that killed roughly 10,000 jews.
>>535903457Spiderman is set in New York, and since New York is a real place, Spiderman must be real?
1 Roman Fascist gas chambers killed 10,000 Jews.
>>535901179Congratulate him for being a scholar in his field.Get fucked smoothbrain, Spartans were shit
>>535901179He has the high IQ phenotype, so I'll probably listen.
>>535933555The people taking shit got murdered by a Roman fart 10,000 to 1.
>>535901179He's right though. The Spartans were losers. They lost every major war they fought except one, the Peloponnesian War. Spartans got BTFO by Persians, Macedonians, Romans, other Greeks, etc.
>>535933746Says the guy who never fought one battle that wasn't words in his own mind.
>>535933746Beep boop bot bitch.where the romans ultimately destroyed by their own corruption? Historians do not attribute the fall of Rome to a single cause, but rather view internal corruption as one of the primary catalysts. The empire was ultimately undone by a complex combination of systemic political rot, severe economic distress, overexpansion, and devastating external invasions.The decline of Rome was driven by several interconnected factors:Political Instability & Greed: The Roman government was plagued by bribery, civil wars, and deeply entrenched inequality. The Praetorian Guard even assassinated emperors and auctioned the throne to the highest bidder.Overexpansion & Administration: The empire became too massive for one centralized government to effectively manage, resulting in the decision to split it into the Western and Eastern (Byzantine) empires.Economic Crises: Heavy taxation, overreliance on enslaved labor, and constant military spending depleted the economy. Severe food shortages later devastated the Western Empire's population.
>>535933813Cry more. You have to resort to insults because you can't refute what I said. Just like the Spartans you idolize, you're a loser.
didn't the spartans basically end up running their civilization as the equivalent of a Renn Faire where they'd dress up and do "spartan things" for visiting greeks & romans
>>535904637Zionist tactic. Erode and demolish the past to destroy your enemies identity so you can create a new one for them.
>>535933906You need to be quicker then that to be relevant faggot bitch.
>>535901179"I denounce the Talmud."
>>535901179Oy vey >>535932168>>535929635This
>>535921034Didn't read but your whole>Acktyually Sparta was destroyed by a JewIsn't going to work here
>>535933906You a stupid faggot.Muhh Romans where Nazis and shit doesn't change the argument you what to Bann that America is going the way of the Romans.Your going to be destroyed by you own corruption
So in your idea of a perfect world every one tries to live in complete and total malevolence with each other?Yes.Your fucking idiots by every measure I can account.
>>535933973>>535934082Two replies before I responded? I must have really gotten under your skin. You keep being a Spartan (aka, loser), king.
Your desperately calling for complete and total malevolence in the name of moral high ground. Your a fucking idiot why are you making decisions for other people?
>>535901178Mediterranean society is entirely homosexual and pedophilia, that's a major reason jewish Hollywood and new York film industries saw them as "anti heroes"
>>535901185Minamoto was a genius you fish headed fucking gook>>535901185
>>535901177Socrates was in the Athenian hoplite during the Peloponnesian WarHe fought against Sparta and their allies up close, in hand-to-hand combatI'll take that motherfucker at his word when he says Sparta is worthy of admirationWho the fuck are you?
>>535901179Kick him down the whole while listening favorite remix
>>535934192You hit me before I was ready.Oh eat shit and die.Who's party?JEFFERY!IT feels good to be the duke. Ohhh you mean the Jew Jeffery.Yhea wrong party no one invited Zuckerberg here.Keep seething everyday all day.
>>535934400And now you're just rambling incoherently. Guys, I think I broke the bot.
>>535901177our malding academic seems to forget Sparta defeated Athens, a little he brushes off with "they had Persian money". their tactics were simplistic and they didn't innovate. them bad at navy but they defeated Athens and install a tyranny. they were ultimately defeated because their enemies copied their simplistic tactics and innovated. his major bitch about the Spartans were they had slaves (helots) and treated them terribly. 300 years as a major military power isn't exactly bad. sure they declined after Thebes defeated them and they declined but that decline took 100 years. the military admires them for their martial prowess and toughness as warriors. special forces and Marines especially admire that because their training emulates the same spirit. there is absolutely no ancient society that lives up to modern standards, however that doesn't mean to disregard them totally or chastise institutions that do. this is just a rage bait article by an academic looking for attention and clicks.
>>535901206Who says I already don’t? https://youtu.be/p_5yt5IX38I?si=o1AC3AMqHUUoU83O
>>535901177>I think Western culture is the only culture in which losers are more revered than victorsSparta lasted 1000 yearsClearly they were doing something right>Vlad Tepes, LeonidasBoth of which made sacrifices that saved their people ultimately>ChetniksMost "Westoids" don't even know who the fuck the Chetniks areTook them a while, but they made the right decision fighting the communists>NapoleonReached great heights, ended the insufferable faggotry of the French revolutionPeople can simultaneously appreciate his feats and not necessarily want him to have had ownership over areas beyond FranceAnd the creation of Belgium is a travesty>HitlerThe great oneShowed us what is possible in a government free of jewry that keeps White traitors in line by promoting consonance of the classesMade the ultimate sacrifice, bolshevism only degraded in power after 1945>While victors are looked at with disdainUtter bullshitFriedrich the Große is held in great regard, he was a victor by all accountsAt least in the US the founding fathers are like by any normal Whites, they were victoriousThe Austrians and relief forces (comprised mostly of Germans) led by the Polish King are looked at as heroesCould go on and onThe ReconquistaLepantoAgincourtToursMarathonGuagamelaSiege of OrleansMetaurusWith virtually all of those people prefer the victors, with exceptions to inter European wars where favor may fall with national leaningsThe examples you brought up are clear examples where sometimes the wrong side wins (Napoleon being a somewhat mixed example)That's historyApparently "Westoids" have reading and comprehension ability combined with nuance and are able to tell when someone deserved to win and didn'tBeyond that it's the quintessentially Aryan quality of honoring the virtue of self sacrifice and the Faustian spirit of striving
>>535934442At least I am going to die with a raging Bonner
>>535934442My God how big is his dick if your talking about Jeffery H. Party 10 years latter.No one will ever want to marry a tranny you will never have a bachelor party to exclude some faggot watching you over the phons internet.
Epstein laundry money gone drugs ran illegal cloning operations experimentation torture but the only thing you ever talk about is the naked women why is that?
He was having straight white male sex with women forget all the money laundering the gun smuggling and narcotics trafficking the human torture the medical experiment that's what we need to worry about.
>>535928126the spartans in their own words literally bragged about butt sex
If a nigger rapes a random 10 year old child to death. The should be considered a hate crime victim and you throw in jail for noticing it was a nigger.You better pray there are always zog bot to protect you with that kind of speech.
And I'm just looking at the precedent of your morals that Aaron Shuned you and then named you.
>>535913473I mean, inbreed enough, who is to say what "pure" means genetically. If your family tree has no branches, you sure as fuck are "pure"
