Why do normie cuckservatives become s o yboy moralizing neurotic cucks when abortion is brought up?Like they basically become indistinguishable from virtue signalling slave moralist leftards who scream about misgendering and muh reparationsFrancis Galton and Herbert Spencer would be pro-choice if they were alive today.Like yeah you've got a shitton of situations where some STD-riddled 3O4 gets pregnant 13 times and keeps needing abortions and being a burden on the taxpayer because she can't resist sleeping around. That's not what I'm talking about95% of the time an abortion happens when (and most people in support of it assume it happens when);-rape-incest-mother is underage-the fetus is severely deformed and will be a risk to the mother's life, a burden on society unable to live autonomously, or bothThese are all perfectly understandable from a eugenics standpoint. Iceland's lax attitude toward abortion has basically allowed them to eliminate Down syndrome, and if you search for vids about it on youtube, rightards seethe and wag their finger.Why is this? Will continue below.
>>535903973Over 96% of all abortions are completely elective according to (((planned parenthood)))'s own admission on its website. It's actually even more than that. Unless you can logically define the exact point at which a fetus becomes a human, it is the murder of a baby. Life begins at the moment of conception. The baby is the one paying the cost of someone else's fuckup. Abortion is the luciferian inversion of Christ. Jesus sacrificed Himself that we might have eternal life, abortion says to a baby "You have to die so I can live."
>>535904360How about you talk in high testosterone street smart language i can understand instead of talking in schoolmarm therapy speak?
>>535904702Define the exact moment at which a fetus becomes a human being.
>>535903973incest should be legal, at the sole discretion of the father and until the fetus is 18 years old or able to live by themselves.
DOGE was a mistake. USAID should've continued to pay for abortions in Africa.
>>535903973Because they revert to this tired ass old moral platitudes that their no good shylock ass mothers and fathers ingrained into them that Planned Parenthood and abortion is some verboten ass thing all because their Aunt Darlene killed her baby 43 years ago. I don't listen to Christcucks. Because I'm not a niggerloving zionist.
>>535904991What's the race of the fetus?
>>535904360Who cares? Do you really want the retarded proles getting abortions to have kids?
>>535905274This. Sanger had a fucking dream. A dream of a nigger free America. And we failed her. Rest in Paradise, /ourgirl/
>>535903973>simpsons image didn't read
>>535905393Yes, because it isn't right for a baby to be murdered to pay the cost of someone else's sin.
>>535904991Do you understand how fucking traumatizing it would be for a 16 YEAR OLD who gets RAPED AND IMPREGNATED BY A JEET MIGRANT to be forced to give birth to a mutt rapebaby? Bruv grown women barely succeed in mentally recovering from the raw physical pain of labor, how do you think a fucking TEENAGER who should be thinking about school is gonna react?
>>535904360abortion is by far the rights most cucked position. christcucks like you need to get out of my country.
>>535903973Abortion will be the great filter that will kill humanity : when a species become intelligent enough , it will try to overwrite the rules of reproduction that have guided them ( you can call it " natural selectio" if you want ) : with abortion combined with female hipergamy ( the 20/80 rule ) we will reproduce later in time , we will reduce the population, our genetic diversity and our intelligence potential as a consequence ; we will see the effect of this before the end of this century
>>535905678The .00001% of all cases that you are insinuating does not justify the other 99.9999% of cases. Do you have an actual argument other than whataboutist faggotry?Still waiting for you to define the exact moment a fetus becomes a human btw.
>>535905629Actually, abortion should be preferred in cases of forcible rape. There is no reason to reward the rapist by continuing his genetic line. He should be punished, his antisocial genes should not pass to a new generation, and no parents should be forced to take care of that child and have their daughter's marriage prospects permanently downgraded by becoming an unwanted single mom.Any self respecting Roman paterfamilia would cast out a rape baby into the Tiber.
>>535905935Quit the moralizing and talk like a cold rough street smart male with balls please
I simply do not want my taxdollars going to it. If a sheboon wants to accidentally kill herself jamming a coat hanger up her cunt so she can scrape her own offspring out of her subhuman uterus then good.
>>535903973Just stop killing babies. I'll give you all the exceptions (rape, incest, life of the mother), but you have to give me the 99% of abortions that are simply whores wanting to escape the consequences of their actions. Deal?
>>535906402What kind of tough guy right winger are you? 'Muh killing babies' is leftard HR therapy speak schoolmarm argument.Think like a real man
>>535906552I don't care what you think I sound like. Are you taking my offer or not?
>>535906041The baby who had nothing to do with it shouldn't have to be the one who pays the cost of it, the rapist is to be put to death. Every child who has abusive parents should be put in front of the firing squad by your logic. >>535906056When is the exact moment a fetus becomes a human being?
>>535903973Its all about self discipline. Only reproducing when necessary and not causing suffering in the process. We are not wild animals.Put your hand in the box.
>>535906725And what about the girl who is forced to give birth you sick fuck?
>>535903973killing defenseless babies is based if its an act of war but killing defenseless babies is WRONG and youre going to HELL if its not an act of war also fuck that kid once its born its NOT my responsibility
>>535907502What is the exact point at which a fetus becomes a human being?
>>535906725The baby doesn't pay shit, because they're not sapient yet.
>>535908637Self-awareness doesn't actually develop until around 5 years old. Is it okay to murder children as long as they're younger than 5? Is it okay to rape someone as long as they're unconscious when you do it because they won't feel or remember it?
>>535903973That's good for Iceland. But liberal abortion policies have no eugenic impact in the US >>535904360 For this reason.For every retard we cull, 95 healthy kids are murdered, and 1000 more retards are imported. I'd agree with you OP, if these stats were reversed, but right now you're arguing like a women and you haven't posted tits.
>>535903973why are liberals fine with abortions but are against death penalties for violent criminals?
>>535908826yeah good question, there's clearly no distinction between the actions of the individual against a dependent and the actions of a fallible or possibly corrupt state against an otherwise independent individual
>>535909050A toddler is dependent and can't survive on its own. Are you okay with murdering toddlers?
Nature versus nurture.Should we murder babies because we are lazy and incompetent or should we let them suffer in a world enslaved by finance. First we must take back what is rightfully ours before we can have conversations like this again. There are some instances in which abortion is preferable. Rape, incest etc. But used as a form of birth control, seems somewhat immature.
>>535903973ABORT ALL JEETS RANGE BAN INDIA
>>535909633Having conversations like this is a fundamentally necessary step to taking back what is ours. People dispossessed of their own aristocratic tradition cannot possibly undertake the revolution required for the Aryan peoples to be free again. We'll just be fighting for neurotic abstractions and ultimately achieve nothing until awoken to the eternal Truth, the currents of which underlie our entire experiential and spiritual reality. Someone who believes that the murder of the unborn is perfectly acceptable is fundamentally unfit for such an undertaking.
>>535909633And again in these rare cases of rape/incest, the baby is the one being murdered and paying the cost of the sin despite having done nothing wrong. Why do they deserve to die for something they had nothing to do with? The rapist is to be put to death and the baby is to live. It is a cross for the mother to bear as everyone has their own. I don't care if someone doesn't want to hear these words, they are telling themselves a comforting, luciferian lie to convince themselves that murdering innocent babies is acceptable.
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>>535906725So the child should be brought into a life that was already fucked to begin with? How is that fair to them to grow old and discover that their father raped their mother?
>>535911015How is it fair to deny their individuality and insinuate that because their father was a degenerate cretin, they automatically will become the same thing? My grandfather had the most abusive father I've ever heard of to the point he was physically maimed. He grew up in horrific poverty and neglect. He also grew into the best and most selfless man I've ever known and my entire immediate family would not exist right now if his mother had aborted him, like his father tried to force his mother to do. For this argument to work you necessarily have to say "the father was a scumbag, so this baby is going to be a scumbag too with 100% certainty". You condemn a human without ever even having given them a chance. Should we just gas everyone below the poverty line to death to alleviate their suffering? What about everyone with a physical disability, or an IQ below 130, with no regard to who they actually are as an individual?
>>535903973>95% of the timeMost abortions are elective, meaning she just doesnt want it and is too much of a gleeful semen demon to use birth control or make her fuck toy use a condom. Why lie you dumb nigger?
>>535911416And why are we just ignoring how the RAPE VICTIM feels?
>>535911951What is the exact point a fetus becomes a human being?
>>535911416You completely rewrote my argument because you couldn't answer the one I actually made.I never said the child would become a scumbag with 100% certainty. I asked how it is fair to bring a child into a life of trauma. You twisted a question about human suffering into a claim about genetic worth because it was easier for you to attack a ghost than to face reality.Your grandfather's story is inspiring, but you are using it as an emotional shield to erase the actual victim here. Rape is a violent, traumatizing violation, and forcing a woman by law to carry her rapist's DNA to term is a nine-month extension of that violation. Furthermore, your grandfather's mother was abused, which is horrific, but he was not the product of a forcible rape. You are swapping out one trauma for another to make your anecdote fit. It is incredibly easy for you to gamble with a woman's mental health and a future child's psychological burden from a keyboard when you aren't the one who has to endure it.Finally, comparing an individual woman's medical choice in the aftermath of a sexual assault to gassing the poor, the disabled, and people with low IQs is an absolutely unhinged slippery slope. Top-down, state-sponsored genocide is not even in the same universe as individual bodily autonomy.If you have to drastically twist my words, rely on a false equivalence, and invent a hypothetical genocide just to dodge a direct question about the heartbreaking reality of rape, your argument is incredibly weak. Let me know when you're ready to address what I actually wrote.
>>535912099What level of trauma is the cutoff point at which you think the baby should be murdered? Why do you think having to realize your father was a rapist warrants your execution?>what about the motherConvincing a mother to murder her own baby because the father was a rapist isn't adding even more trauma to this? Whether they show it or not, all women know that abortion is murder. All of them live with the anger and regret and despair of having murdered their own child, and if you learn how to actually bring this trauma to the surface and console them, you will realize just how universal it is. They all know they've committed murder and they all break down into tears when the veil is torn down and they're reminded of what they've done. I know rape victims personally, both ones who aborted their children and those who did not. I've met many more through my abolitionist work. What you are insinuating happens to them I have simply never seen. >an individual woman's medical choice>bodily autonomyThe murder of a baby is not a medical choice and you couch the substance of what you are actually saying in flowery language like this as a psychological defense mechanism. I'll reiterate my questions for you:1. Why does a baby deserve to be murdered just because their father is a rapist?2. What is the exact point at which a fetus becomes a human being?3. What is the exact level of trauma a child must experience before you believe it's acceptable to murder them because in your mind you're "shielding" them from this trauma, like knowing their father was a rapist?4. Why do you think convincing a mother to murder her own child is not profoundly traumatizing?
>>535910387What about in the cases of retardation, where God himself has made mistakes?
>>535912508You claiming to know what all women secretly think and boasting about your ability to force traumatized women to break down into tears by tearing down the veil is incredibly disturbing. You do not speak for all women, and you certainly do not get to dictate their internal reality to fit your political ideology.The fact that you are demanding exact, mathematical cutoff points for trauma proves you are completely unable to grasp the nuance of human suffering. Nobody can give you an exact metric for trauma because human life and medical scenarios are complex, which is exactly why these deeply personal decisions belong to the woman and her doctor, not to a politician, the state, or you.To answer your questions:First, nobody is saying a baby deserves to be punished. Terminating a first-trimester pregnancy is a medical procedure to protect a living woman from being legally forced to incubate her rapist's DNA.Second, the debate over when personhood begins is a philosophical and religious one, not a settled fact. You believe it begins at conception; the law and a vast portion of the world do not.Third, nobody is advocating for executing children to shield them from trauma. You are deliberately conflating a fetus with a living child because your actual argument—forcing a rape victim to give birth—is completely indefensible on its own merits.Fourth, women who choose abortion after a sexual assault are managing a horrific situation the best they can. Projecting your own intense guilt and savior complex onto them isn't helping anyone.If your entire worldview relies on fabricating fake firing squads, speaking over rape victims, and pretending you can read the minds of every woman on earth, you aren't living in reality. I asked how forcing this situation on a victim is fair, and your response was a creepy, self-righteous lecture. We're done here.
>>535912546God doesn't make mistakes and being mentally challenged isn't justification for murdering someone. Should we put all adult individuals with mental challenges in front of the firing squad to alleviate their suffering? Is that humane in your eyes?
>>535912608>em dashGoodbye
>>535912626>God doesn't make mistakesThat is a matter of opinion
>>535912722You're misattributing the end result of the fall of man to God. Satan hates you and is the first murderer. The entire divine promise which is written, bound, and sealed in the blood of Christ is that none of this matters in the best way possible because death is abolished eternally.
>>535912875The Abrahamic God is the very reason for the suffering in this world. I am not enslaved by his morality. I do not believe his lies. Christianity creates slaves for Jews. Abortion should not be used for convenience. It violates natural law. I still believe life begins at conception.
>>535913248Your entire problem is that you try to force a secular atheistic framework around suffering, insinuating that all suffering is inherently pointless and evil, that it can never possess any form of salvific character whatsoever. We are told that this world is fallen and evil. Until the day our name is called and we return to God in eternity, we endure. No one will care about the bad things that happened to them here when they are in paradise unending. We are literally here on a military campaign against evil, and the only reason this world still exists is because it is essentially a necessary crucible of the soul. The entire body of believers on earth is called the Church Militant for a reason.
>>535913513That's lie told to goyim so they sacrifice themselves at the altar of the Jew. I am not so stupid as to work against my own interest. Nothing comes after this and you cannot convince otherwise. The arrogance you possess, speaking on behalf of whatever creation is, will be your undoing. Bronze age mythologies have no place in the new world. They are demonstrably false. We know better now. Why don't you?
>>535913655>Nothing comes after this and you cannot convince otherwiseThat's quite the assumption no?
>>535905678Cool. We'll make an exception for rape. Now explain the moment a fetus becomes a baby.
>>535913655Religiousity first showed up in human beings before we had writing Youre the freak. Get over it.
>>535903973I wouldn’t mind if the decision was in men’s hands. Women shouldn’t have autonomy over men’s children.
>>535905678>Abortion good cuz jeetThey're not sending their best
>>535903973Wow that’s very interesting, memeflag.I am sure that means you support banning ALL abortions that don’t fit into those exceptions you listed?
>>535914061Men don't have the authority to murder their own unborn children either.
>>535906725>baby who had nothing to do with it shouldn't have to be the one who pays the costThe progeny absolutely should because it's a profoundly bad mating strategy to incentivize. It's how you get multiple generations of sex offenders.
>>535907502Or what about the parents or spouse that will have to bear the costs? They should have a say on whether they have to raise a rapist's progeny baby.
>Why Cause our birthrate is in the shitter. Why would we want to abort more people. Also most abortion isn't rape, incest, underaged mother or deformed fetuses. The abortion is just done because a woman doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her unprotected sex. The sex positive culture has been extremely destructive for everyone and it should be abolished. Those that grew up in it our getting less sex than their forebears who grew up in a sexually repressed time. Why should we sacrifice babies because women want consequence free sex? Sex should exist only in a marriage that can support the children produced from it.
>>535903973abortion feralized peoples.the people that will give their babies acid baths in the womb, or pay someone to dismember their children alive (all common abortion practices, will have no reservations about all manner of corruptions, thefts and murders.and that isn't good for maintaining high-trust societies, but is good for breeding drug addicted consumer cattle classes that buy concert tickets with 30% interest credit cards. >t. complete racial re-segregation hopeful
>>535914343If they don't want their child they can put them up for adoption. The Church used to handle unwanted babies until we secularized. The actual substance of what you're saying is "because secular society is run poorly and doesn't provide adequate avenues of putting unwanted children up for adoption, we should just murder them instead."
>>535903973Why do you jews never ever shut your fucking mouths?
>>535908746>>535904360>elective>healthybut the mom is usually poor and stupid and would probably raise a poor stupid criminal.That said, I will oppose abortion until feminists agree to let men have some type of legal parental surrender. Feminists can't whine about abortion when they are fine with pic-related
>>535915026You are again relying on condemnimg a human soul with zero evidence that this soul will ever actually grow up to be the person you say it will. You also necessarily deny the redemptive power of Christ to say that even if someone does become a criminal due to their upbringing they can never at any point repent and turn away from it.
