>takes 4 countries to produce a 6th gen fighterTOP FUCKING KEK
>Germany not on boardmight actually succeed
>>535906064I would assume generations are relative.1st design gen 12nd design gen 2One countries gen 3 may be another countries gen 2.
Those Euros are so Fucking useless It'sUnreal
>>535906064Lets take a gander at what the polish Air Force is up to
>>535906447kek
>>535906064Nothing weird about that>BAE Systems (UK) manufactures critical components like the rear fuselage and air intake systems for all F-35 variants. >Leonardo (Italy) produces the wings for the F-35A and F-35C variants. >Germany’s Rheinmetall is constructing fuselage sections for hundreds of F-35s>British contractor Selex ES supplies advanced targeting lasers for the F-35’s Electro-Optical Targeting System
hot damn, imagine the maintenance nightmare on that thing
>>535906064Oh so now goymutts recognize individual European countries?What happened to Europe basically being a bunch of states like the US?
>>535906734why would it be a maintenance nightmare
>>535906064>Britain>JapanLiterally half the consortium is not European
>>535906064>2026>a fighter jetwhy not a spanish galleon while we are at it ? Less costly, more beautiful, equally useless in a modern war.
>>535907180I think he thinks it's going to be like the F-35, i.e. parts made in every US state + multiple other countries, rather than just a collaborative design
>>535906064>a fucking plane in the era of dronesTotal garbage.
>>535907285it is a drone, what do you mean?
>>535906214kek i think a better indicator of potential success is no french
>>535907204>can't tell the difference between Europe and the EUI'd expect the kind of retardation from an american, not a native of the continent.
>>535907285>>535907243This thing was in the works for over a decade .Plus the reach of wired drones is really limited.
>>535907391Rafale is a very good design and better than Eurofighter desu, and German involvement also made the Eurodrone the bloated overengineered nightmare that it is today, French have a way better track record at this
>>535906064>Brits are part of the projectWon't even get to the prototype phase.
>>535907180cuz you need to source parts from 4 different countries, it's gonna be expensive as shit, bureaucracy bloat, there's gonna be a hundred chokepoints in the system, imagine if an actual war breaks out, what if ww3 actually starts, china drones a factory in japan, wow now your planes in italy can't fly, isn't that fucking retarded? or russia drones a factory in poland and then planes in japan are shit out of luck for parts, etc, but even during peacetime it's going to be a nightmare
>>535907481the issue is the french want to unilaterally control everything with everyone else paying
I think it would be much better to give up and just buy from the Chinese
>>535906247 a generation is each era of technology leaps what is the cutoff i duno
>>535906064I don't give a fuck when we make zero effort to defend our own borders.
>>535907507are you retarded?>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoonwith the prototype being:>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAPunlike you, we can build aircraft
>>535907285Just because ziggers are getting killed by drones in ukraine literal idiots think that airforce is useless
>>535907529yeah that is annoying, but if I had to choose between Germany and France designing my mil stuff I'd go for France, they're simply better
>>535907204Wdym? Japs are honorary
>>535906064I am not going to laugh, I think it is sad that America’s role of R&D is clearly gone. They are not wrong to develop their own, I just liked it better when out countries were more cohesive and we worked towards a common goal. I liked that squadrons of our planes could rise to meet theirs as brothers and we’d have a perfect view of our capabilities across a whole theater. The divisions like this will make gaps and common large scale defense more difficult. There were benefits to everyone using US planes. It also meant the free world was funneling it’s money into one channel of R&D and it could outpace the fractured communists.Times have changed. The war in Ukraine and our lukewarm support has scared allies. They want their own pipeline of military goods and less dependence on us. Not to mention the US is sadly rife with fraud and overpriced parts, causing excessive waste in said pipeline. Gov contractors need to realize, charging $20k for a box of bolts you can get at Home depot and having those stories go public, that will cost them trillions in future revenue now. That momentary greed has cause allies to seek their own research and products because we have burned that trust. I am sad because we deserve to lose their business. Greedy assholes have ruined it.
>>535906064what happened to the 5th gen fighter project, did they just outsource it to turkey ?
>>535907285
>>535906064>manned fighter aircraftChina will probably have stuff like Arsenal Bird before this is even finished.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obP-ztpRBeI
>>535906064The only thing Americans understand is money. >'I'm not gonna pay taxes in order to fix our shitty infrastructure,' >'I'm not gonna pay for universal healthcare because I don't want poor people to benefit,' >'Does it make money?' >'Can I make more money?' >'Look at him, he has billions so he must be something special.'You have no culture, no history, no heritage, no people, no unity, no tradition, no cuisine, no concept of beauty, no pride, no values, nothing.And when you point that out to an American his reaction is hiding behind their so called gigantic army, which is the equivalent of a 70IQ nigger bragging about 'muh dick'.Pic related, the horrible, shitty vinyl wrapped abominations you 'people' call houses.Fix your shit, nigger.
>>535908114>assblasted swamp germanWhat does that have to do with this thread?
>>535906064well, at least, the jet's toilets will be unclogged
>>535908217Everything, you claim to be superior while lagging behind in every way possible. You know who else comes in your neighbourhood and fucks shit up for no reason? Yes, niggnoggs.You guys have become the laughing stock of the western civilization, the nigger of the world.
>>535908458stay mad swamp german
>>535908344KEK
>>535906064Kek, the irony>>535906531Germany isn't even part of the consortium>>535906734That's how you use euro weapons though
>>535906064>Greece is not one of those 4 countriesDon't ask me how I know that this will fail
>>535906064how many billions of chinks does it take to make a blue water navy do you think? 500?
>>535906064the uk seems to be involved, though at arms length, with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Air_Systemwouldn't be surprised if there is some interoperability between these systems.
>>535907510Airbus is done in many different euro countries and doing very well
>>535906064can we kick out the uk and replace it with poland. poland italy japan is goated
>>535910804why do you hate bongs?
>>535907285>having an airforce is pointlessretarded nigger
>>535906064>No corrupt USA>No overengineering from Germany>No Israelmay work actually.
>>535912025They did it last time and it was abysmal, whereas Rafale is selling like hotcakes.
>>535906064Okay we need one more country, and Ideal partner would be Sweden.
>>535912132>selling like hotcakeshello there G.I. Juan.
>>535906064>America>Needs 54 states bigger then European countries (so basically 54 countries) to build anything >Still loses to EuropeKeksimus maximus
>>535912904>>Still loses to Europethe moortuguese are delusional kek lmao even
>>535906064JEVROPA.
>>535912215It would just be Gripen. All it needs is replacing the US-sourced parts. You know you do the right thing when the americans try to sabotage you.Gripen 1987 was already a drone. Remote control wasn't practical yet so they added a pilot. Gripen 1987 switches to kamikaze mode if the pilot ejects and it is perfectly capable of cartoon physics.
>>535907529Yeah well everytime french elites decide to do multicountries programs with germany they always fuck us over.
>>535913170The gripen truly was something else for its time man.I have two plane engineers in my family (both retired) and they often talk about it when they get drunk.From wikipedia : >Thus, a key design goal during the Gripen's development was the ability to operate from snow-covered landing strips of only 500 metres (1600 ft);[153][page needed] furthermore, a short-turnaround time of just ten minutes, during which a team composed of a technician and five conscripts would be able to re-arm, refuel, and perform routine inspections and servicing inside that time window before returning to flight for air-to-air missions. For air-to-ground missions this turnaround time using the same resources is slightly longer at twenty minutes.bruh
>>535913207Dassault is a jew. Stop saying German this, French that. You aren't in the game, you are a spectator. Know your place retards.
>>535907639Agreed.I would not like to touch German engineering with a 10-foot pole. It always ends up as overcomplicated, overengineered mess, unable to handle unexpected, just like german reaction to someone driving without a drivers license. >>535913170I admire Gripen, but honestly it is bit old at this point, and lacks proper stealth, in addition few other things need a refresh. Sweden probably can't afford next-gen Gripen so blanda upp, would be a wise strategy.
>>535913427WE have/had a similar doctrine, which is why we used Saab Draken planes for long which were also capable of operation from makeshift airstrips, everyone expected the Gripen to be chosen as successor because of the deep ties with Saab we had but then for mysteriosu reason we bought overpriced used Eurofighters, I hate it so much
>>535906064A lot less than 50 States.
>>535913521>you arent in the gameI'm liable to be drafted, and you likely are, so yeah we're in the game you dumb fuck.Good on you for knowing dassault is a chosen one however.
>>535913857Sorry, Im tired of anons shilling for the military industrial complex targeting us. Almost like if Ukraine wasn't enough of a exemple.We'll enter in the game when we will start doing shit about it and granted no one will shill greedy kikes at this moment.
>>535907758Wasn't planning to drink today...
>>535912215sweden seems to be there to cause problemsnot making a decision until 2031 is a choice.
>>535913521>>535914033you sound like a retarded nigger
>>535906064What is this? A fighter for ants? How is the pilot supposed to fly the plane when she can't even fit inside the cockpit?
>>535906214>seething balkan mutt noices
>>535914284Could be the army trying to keep the civilian government from retarded decisions. The civilian government is perfectly fine with offshoring our last manufacturing jobs for some NATO standard junk that serves half our purposes, they just want to hang out with the big people in the alpine or island resorts.This is historical as the modern concept of the country formed around the army 500 years ago. And the civic infrastructure was designed to provide as many soldiers as possible without breaking the economy. Geneaology is super easy.
>>535906064Sweden?
>>535915886Yeah. What this effort needs is endless bureaucratic overhead and pointless overengineering ad nauseum.
>>535906214they are supplying sustainable aviation fuel made from frying oil leftovers
>>535906064>Europe is going to thread againWhat about real accomplishments?
>>535906064This is one of Japan's re-militarization projects, and you know why we are pushing these next-gen arms, DIAMOND is the primary reason.
>>535906356I hope at least they pay you well, Kenji
>>535906064whats so funny about this. is it funny because youre retarded? is this it?
>>535906214we make artillery and anti drone measures.
>>535906064how many states are in the usa, lets see.>50 statesnot even once.>uhhhh it takes you 4 states to make a 6th gen fighter jet.maybe its a piece of shit and maybe its going to dominate aviation. we will see about this.
>>535906064for me its good that we work closer with japanese, off course not germans themselves but euros.
Why don't they just get AI to do it. Those niggas at Lockheed aint smarter than Claude.
we have a japanese enclave in my city, with japanese schools etc. its good to have them around unlike all the niggers.
>>535923704Please just make more auto flakpanzers, my country is run by misslefags, but we need more flak
>>535924216we have a new anti drone flak its absolutely insane with timed explosive ammunition. can shoot down 6 drones at a time but its super expensive and i doubt it can withstand large amounts of drones. we have to test this in real combat.
>>535924216the shells used are not so expensive it can fire all day. missiles are vs jets not drones, this needs to be changed.
>>535906064It still won't compete with it's American and Chinese counterparts.
>>535906064This is like China trying to build a worse version of the 30yo B-2.
