Why do Russians have such a weird view on their own history.They like the Tsarist, the Soviets and also modern Russia.This is despite all of these different incarnations of Russia being in conflict with each other.The Tsarist era is fundamentally opposed to both communism and modern Russian democracy/oligarchy.The Soviets era is fundamentally opposed to both monarchy and capitalism.The modern Russia is fundamentally opposed to monarchy and communism yet it larps both.Is it just a cheap way bolster nationalism and get the low iq vatniks to suck off Putin?How about the Russian civil war? How is that seen in Russia?Since that is essentially the good martyr Tsar Nicholas II against the hero of the people Lenin.Which one is the side supported by the current Russian regime? What were you taught at school?Or is it just both good. Will you get flak for being a hardcore fan of Kornilov or Pyotr Wrangel?How about being a hardcore fan of Budyonny or Tukhachevski.You can't really be a fan of both sides.The only domestic "bad guys" in Russia seem to the ROA and the general spirit of the 90s.But even then with the former this seems to be slowly changing.To me as a Finn its>The Tsar good>The Soviets very bad>Modern Russia badSimple as.Can any Russia try and explain this to me?I refuse to believe its just "its all Russia so its all good"That is retarded.
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>>535956465It's simple pragmatism and it's somewhat succesful. Hence why you, a tiny opponent of Russia, have a problem with it.
>>535956767Can a single Ukrainian say they are a fan of the Tsar?I even like Nicholas II even though antagonizing the single most loyal Russian subject was pretty dumb of him.
>>535956921It is a soulless attempt to garner popular support from everyone that only an idiot would support.They should bury Lenin and erect a monument to the Russian victims of Soviet communism in place of his mausoleum.
>>535956465Jews
>>535956465A Finn liking the Romanovs but not liking Stolypin and Bobrikov is not liking Russian Empire, it's just Germanophilia.
Russia has never had a middle class. The peasants have always accepted that they exist solely to do what the ruling class tells them.
>>535956465Whoa it's almost as if different Russians have different opinions on different periods.Also you're looking at it from an outsider persepcrove like they're some detached states while in reality it was a continuous thing for people living in them and is just a continuous part of their history
you don't know what you are talking aboutdrunk idiot
>>535957047plzz just go noone cares about your autistic worldview.go lecture your local homo instead
>>535956465>"its all Russia so its all good"Pretty sure this is the case. I recommend you watch Noj Rants' video on why Russians support Putin.Anyway, USSR was the peak of Russia despite it's anti-Russian and pro-minority politics (the affirmative action empire) where they defeated the Germans who wanted to enslave them and then became a superpower post-war. I don't think many Russians would like what occurred in the 1920-30's but that period is overshadowed by the Great Patriotic War.I don't think it would be a contradiction to support the White Russians during the civil war and Stalin's dictatorship. Most of the criticism goes to Lenin and especially Trotsky. There is a popular Russian movie about Trotsky and he is basically portrayed as a subversive Jew doing Jew stuff.RelatedSome AfD Germans views DDR as a positive thing which was a positive thing by the way, but condemn Hitler and praise the Imperial Germany.
>>535956465russians should all be moved to khazakhstanfor the greater good of europeans
>>535957047That would be like destroying the Confederate statues
>>535956465Russians don’t hate themselves just because their ancestors did something controversial, they aren’t brainwashed into thinking their parents and grandparents are inherently evil
>>535957567I mean for example the opinion of the German state is>The empire somewhat bad>Weimar good>The Nazis very bad>The DDR bad>West Germany good>Modern Germany goodA german monarchist would think>The empire good>The nazis bad>The DDR very bad>West Germany bad/neutral>Modern Germany bad/neutralOr something similarNotice the ideological consistencyThe Russian state thinks>The Tsar good>The Soviets good>The 90s bad>Modern Russia goodNotice how the first two are in conflict with each other and modern Russia and the 90s are more or less the same with just the economy being improved.There is no ideological consistency.This is the most common opinion you hear from Russians and yes I know there are exceptions.
>>535957902>some AfD view DDR as a positiveYes, an ethnically homogenous society with many, many flaws thanks to communism and the classic German obedience issue (Stasi).People are keen to embellish the good to offset the bad, and then forget the bad without revising the offset.Same phenomenon in Russia. They remember the cosmonauts and the space programme, they remember the parades, they remember the good.Only the people old enough to have been there before the fall and those who endured the 90s will remember the bad, because it was so atrocious that it's difficult to forget.It's not so much that you couldn't trust anybody.It's that you could explicitly trust in the negative outcomes, because those were virtually guaranteed.That's not a Russian skill issue. We have that exact same problem with our own societies right now, and it's obvious thanks to covid but we already had it long before then.
>>535956465It's Russians coping they live in the country created only 30 years ago in 1991
>>535958064Doesn't have to be any idelogical consistency for them, I guess. What happened in the past happened. I wish we could have a similar outlook, so Germany goes like this:German Empire GoodWeimar Republic BadNazi Germany GoodDDR GoodBDR BadBecause it's all anti-liberalism consistencyFor me that's the most important thing and it would help them remove Holocaust guilt
>>535957902I don't really get the hate towards Trotsky he was essentially ideologically identical to Stalin except he believed in world revolution where as Stalin believed socialism should be built in the union first and then exported.Anti Trotskyism is just Stalin being Schizo and modern tankies hating Trotsky as their mortal enemy proves how braindead they are.>>535957948I don't mind them keeping a few Lenins around for old times sake but he is literally buried in the heart of the Russian state for gods sake.Its like having a statue of General Lee next to the Lincoln memorial.>>535958017You don't have to hate your ancestors to see that their leaders at the time were evil.In fact supporting the guys who sent you grandfather to Siberia is hating your ancestors.
>>535958295You cannot at the same time think the Nazis are good and that the DDR are good.They are quite literally completely opposed to each other on a fundamental level.The Nazis sent commies to the camps and the DDR built an anti-faschist wall and worshipped the Soviet "heroes" who "liberated" them.Only a profoundly ignorant person would put aside these differences because they hate liberalism so much.
>>535956465>Why do Russians have such a weird view on their own history. Because they are slaves.They obey the ones who are in power without question, and idolize their leaders, past and present, because they told the peasants what to do.
>>535958353Trotsky was the leading the war effort and implemented 'war communism' which was impopulär by the population and fellow Bolsheviks. That's one reason. Russians are not idelogical present in that debate. They just think he was the bad guy. >Its like having a statue of General Lee next to the Lincoln memorial."This is actually based thoughbeit"And/ourguys/ in America would actually do this if they took over. I am sure of it lol
>Why do Chinese people respect their continuous Chinese history when Dynasty X was succeded by Dynasty Y which was overthrown by Dynasty Z ???>Don't they know these Dynasties were opposed to eachother??
>>535958563>You cannot at the same time think the Nazis are good and that the DDR are good.I do!>The Nazis sent commies to the campsBased.>worshipped the Soviet "heroes" who "liberated" them.They are not wrong about that.
>>535958064That's got a very straightforward reason.German monarchists want to reduce bureaucracy and Jewish manipulation, which can be achieved by having 1 based ruler. The risk is that you might get a dysfunctional retard next and all goes to shit.Democracists want people to have power, but about 90% of the population is a collectivist mass devoid of self-authority and incapable of individual thought. Impossible. It inevitably leads to Judaism and will rape the world, as we see already happening.But Russians? Their culture is despondent. Everything is shit right now, and right now always was shit even decades ago. Serfdom followed by the broken promises commies gave them have buckbroken the Russian spirit and they explicitly trust in the negative.Changing that can take 25-50 years and the change started about 25-30 years ago.Until they've been fixed, they'll look at the deteriorating and sometimes readily derelict commie block housing and see life is shit today, and then see the Soviet parades and pretty old movies with cute women in them, and think "yeah, the USSR was good compared to now".It's depression-fueled nostalgia.
>>535958633kek takes a slave to know a slave when you finns were our human shields
>>535956465I see russia/russians as the most schizophrenic nation on earth. They don't know who or what they are. There is a deep identity crisis within them.
>>535956465>why people love their country and its history?
>>535958835I think they are quite a sensible and rational people
>>535956465Hitler...uhh...bad!
>>535956465Dude, there's almost 0 difference between tsarism and soviets >Hur durrr but they have different name!That's all. It's same in the end. Nikolai 1 vs Put-n 0 difference
>>535958655Ideologically the dynasties hardly differed from each other.But no a proper good Chinese communist/ccp supporter should think they were all bad.But not going to open the can of worms which is the communist views on pre-industrial societies.>>535958703You are either an actual mental midget or a vatnik in exile.Either get back to your tard wranglers or return to mother russia.
>>535958897Tbf, I hate Swedish history. What we did to the Germans (30s years war) and Poles (the deluge) is something I deeply regret and is ashamed of. I would honestly be in favour of removing the statues and paying reperations. I also regret we collapsed the Kalmar union sorry danebros we were in the wrong
>>535958563>Learning from history and evaluating what worked and what didnt? Honouring and advocating the aspects of our past that was good and leaving for study that which wasnt? This is simply... IMPOSSIBLE!!!I assume you fully spit on 100% of everything in Finnish history 1809-1917 or 1100s-1809.Wait..? You mean there were postitive and negative things in both periods? But the Swedish rule and Russian rule are quite literally completely opposed to each other on a fundamental level!!>>535958977>a proper good Chinese communist/ccp supporter should think they were all bad.t. calls others "profoundly ignorant" retardslmao!
>>535958977kekaroo i fucking knew you would seethe at that post
>>535956465They have literal religous mummies of their leaders to worship. You know how Indians are absolute cattle you can just import as cheap labour, and they will never complain? Russians are the same, but most obviously when it comes to war. Russian leaders have always been able to order their men to march into death for them, and being the literal slave cattle that they are Russians never rebel or oppose this.
>>535956465>To me as a Finn itsIt looks like typical brainwashed NPC views.>The Tsar goodFinland was a bitch of the Russian Empire.>The Soviets very badFinland was freed from the Russian Empire by Soviets but later the USSR and particularly Ukrainian SSR killed figgers in a war.>Modern Russia badModern Russia hadn't given a shit about Finland until she joined NATO and started yapping at us like any other Butthurt Belt chihuahua.
>>535956465What the benefit for russians to shame entire eras of their history. It's like shooting yourself in the leg, creating a opening for your enemies to exploit by shitting in your heads by grandiose black myths, throwing accusations and demanding payback for imaginary sufferings, what you as a recipient of all this will be unable to refute because your own policy of this era is entirely black. like they did in the 90s, trying hard to lable entire soviet era as pure hell.Having a positive outlook on your own history is a good policy for mental healh of your population.
>>535958353Trotsky was to the left of Stalin. Trotsky opposed the NEP from the start, supported greater autonomy for the Soviets and internal party debate, criticized the nomeklatura for usurping the authority of the working class. Stalin was a centrist who consistently backed the interests of the party bureaucracy. It's debatable to what extent either man was motivated by sincere ideological conviction vs. opportunism but Trotsky and Stalin positioned themselves and were perceived as representing the left and center of the party respectively.
>>535956465You can't get the serf out of the russian.They only lived in freedom for 30 years of their existence. So they believe everything the current master says.
>>535959067We should all join hands in Intergermanische union.
>>535956465Who are the bad guys in Homer's Iliad?
>>535959149kek we swedes are literal soffpotatisar if russians are cattle then what are we, incest? Yeah Swedes are incests, white Chinese.
>>535959158Absolutely jewish morality. Everyone who is against Russia is bad, everyone who is with Russia is good? That simple huh? Thats how women and jews argue.
>>535959067>>535959278Love you bros.
>>535959278Trvke
>>535959322Swedish navy met their 5 year recruitment goal in 1 year. Swedish will to fight for country is amount the absolute highest in Europe. Swedish troops were also the most violent and dangerous in Bosnian war lmao.
>>535959351It just shows Russians are not an imperial people but peasants. The British, Americans and French do not take bantz or outsiders nitpicking at their history seriously, Russians and Indians etc. chimp out when someone from the outgroup criticizes them because of low self-esteem.
>>535957902>Anyway, USSR was the peak of Russia despite it's anti-Russian and pro-minority politics (the affirmative action empire) where they defeated the Germans who wanted to enslave them and then became a superpower post-war. I don't think many Russians would like what occurred in the 1920-30's but that period is overshadowed by the Great Patriotic War.I have read something non retarded on /pol/, a miracle.
>>535959351No, it's Carl Schmitt kek
>>535959451>Swedish troops were also the most violent and dangerous in Bosnian warKek like Jackie Arklöv you mean? looolAnyway lmaoooooo haha holy my
>>535958353>having a statue of General Lee next to the Lincoln memorialWould be based
>>535956465>I refuse to believe its just "its all Russia so its all good">That is retarded.Nothing retarded about that, Russians should disavow all of their soviet era achievements because gomminism bad? Finland is like the baltics and a lot of eastern european countries, you are eternally assraped by russia's existence
>>535959351Yeah, I prefer hate pidors like you and your whore mothers, than participate in meaningless infighting over who is wrong Nikolai, Guchkov or Lenin. It's was long ago and meaningless now. Pidors like you family are real, modern problem.
>>535959451>Swedish troops were also the most violent and dangerous in Bosnian war lmaoI don't know the details of Swedish presence, but you're not violent or dangerous people anymore, and it's not a bad thing. Violence here is necessary, and now it's so in Sweden I guess.
>>535958765Yeah, we're not much better, but at least we threw away the Russian yoke for a few decades before settling for the European yoke. That's still a few decades more freedom than Russian cattle constantly eating oxcarts of shit and having totally not homo buttsex
>>535956465>This is despite all of these different incarnations of Russia being in conflict with each other.How they are in conflict with each other if they are separated in time, retard? You can say it about any country with rich history.
>>535956465They came to the conclusion that you can't erase history.>you can't support both sideYes you can. You can agree White movement's cause and support Stalin's Soviet Union during the Second World War and beyond. You can agree that Lenin was a traitor while saying the Soviet Union was the height of Russian power, while also saying Nicky was a martyr. >>535958353>I don't really get the hate towards Trotsky he was essentially ideologically identical to StalinHe was a disciple of Lenin and as much of a rat as him. He preached one thing while doing another. He used revolutionary terror, signed off on the massacre of the Romanov children, war communism, supported the proto-NKVD. And then when many of these things either happened to him or came back to bite him in the ass he tried to portray himself as more of a man of the people when he was no different to Stalin in that regard. Also world revolution was extremely retarded.
>>535960436>Yes you can. You can agree White movement's cause and support Stalin's Soviet Union during the Second World War and beyond. You can agree that Lenin was a traitor while saying the Soviet Union was the height of Russian power, while also saying Nicky was a martyr.Must be something in the air today, well said, this is pretty much my stance.
>>535958064no, they think modern russia is bad they're just not allowed to say it outloud, they also think Tsar wasn't as good and overall consesus would be soviet are by far the greatest. Young westernized generations don't count, later they flip their mind on soviets.
>>535956465>>535956934Remember that like half of the Soviet ruling class was Ukranian and the most important leaders of the Soviet union besides Stalin and Lenin were also Ukranian heehee, they like you a lot guys
>>535957047Nah, being spiteful and sore is for assraped faggots, history is history, and the Soviets did won the biggest war ever after all with a big help from Finland, it's something to be remembered with pride
>>535960436Of course its a serb, always with the most retarded opinion possible, always ready to suck russian cock.
>>535957374To be fair, Mannerheim liked Nick 2nd.
>>535956465It's similar in China were their name is literally Center or Middle Country, as in between Heaven and Earth. They consider themselves so ancient, wise, and above the West, that they have nothing they can possibly learn from us, yet in the last century, they've adopted the youngest, most naive, and most western form of government as their own.
>>535959067>paying reperationsAbsolutely cucked. Never do that. Even if you right about the rest.
>>535956465This is called history retard. History of bigass federation of nations that survived thrived and collapsed via external forces three times during 100 years span.So maybe russian "Enemy" isnt a mythical figure, huh?LmaoZero talks about "Returning the Empire" in Russia and among peopleOutside Russia is some kind of "idea" of "Russian Empire".
>>535956465i personally like hitlerhe said that the winners of the totalenkrieg (total war) are the aryans and the losers are subhumanthen made every nigger in the wect sign on itthen lost it to Russiansmaking me Aryanthen offed himself like the worst sinner in his own religion should
>>535961475Of course he did. Both of their families originate from Germany.
>>535961778>then lost it to Russianscъeбиcь нa cocaч, шaббec-гoй
>>535961778Russian pigs died for gulags and communism with 1/2 KD ratio while being on a constant life support from jewish capitalists. What a reason to be proud.
>>535961192>770dd0ce72461643a28816fee(...).jpg>>535962197>Russian pigsholy larpпoёбывaй нa cocaч тoж, жидoк BПHoвый
>>535956465Tzar giving gibs good.Finnish intellect...Suck more Swedish cock.
In Russia, since starting of Ivan III period, there's only been one good period, when ordinary russians lived well - 1991-2012. I'm believe that the vast russian state, with much resources, is a shit. The government is always using these resources to build a gulag. NATO, don't make that mistake again.
>>535963192>wahh i cant be a gay faggot in public life is so hard
>>535956465They are historically culled, genocided, tortured over and over again, like literal human-cattle.From that much trauma and generational attrocities/poverty, suffering and human-animalism, one should not expect russians to be "rational" people.
>>535963192Aryan above me.>>535963348You can btw.
>>535956465Thus Ruscism/ZOV works because it's a big tent umbrella to include all manner of Russian nationalism. It's mostly done to provide cover for oligarchic looting but still.
i think its weird how they think jews killed tsar nicholas II, not realizing that he himself was a jew.but i guess it goes back to the christcuck fell for it award, where they believe that just because a jew says some magic words like "jesus christ is my lord and savior" that magically purges your genes and soul of jewishness or something.if only christcucks knew how jewish jewish things are
>>535960415>for a few decadesYou mean 1990-1995? That was the brief era of our actual independence. That's why -95 ice hockey championship is still cherished today, since it was the peak of our very brief time as an actual sovereign country. >hits different
>>535963938It's weird to think Americans have any historical literacy whatsoever, but here we are.
>>535958064>Holy Roman Empire good>Reformation good>German Confederation very bad>German Empire good>Weimar good>Nazis bad>Anschluss good>West Germany good>West Germany post 1956 very bad>DDR very good>Modern Germany neutralanalyze this snownigger
>>535956465>Why do Russians have such a weird view on their own history.Its notEntire Pidorashkan history aggregates into one thing: Bydlo goycattle being hunted and fleeced by the nobles/nomenklatura/oligarchs composed of ethnic minorities.And they love it with every incarnation
>>535956465>That is retardedThat's russniggers for you.
>>535964268you need to stop thinking of us as americans, and instead as people who happen to be temporarily residing in post-christcucked jewish occupied economic zone 264-B, who are looking back at their history to determine how such a disastrous state of affairs could have been brought about after achieving a height of defeating the strongest empire on eartha christcuck cucked to jews, thats how. its a tale as old as time. one guy, one fell for it award gullible retard who worships a circumcised as his god, finds himself in power, and defies all known logic and somehow manages to find a way to lose in an impossible to lose scenario.
