>Chased early humans out of Africa >Shaped human evolution of modern Africans to be violent, retarded savages (chimp out behavior)>To this day still tramples Indians and Africans to death and ruins their agriculture Imagine if they learned how to use tools. It would be over for us humanoids.
No, elephants like white people. We can form an alliance and give them berries and other tasty fruit.
>>535982610I kneel
>>535982610elephants are quite smart.
>Imagine if they learned how to use toolsYou needs hands for that. Human hands are what drove the evolution of the human brain. Lack of hands is what had held back the evolution of other otherwise intelligent species. Crows can use tools, but it's very crude and clunky because they have to manipulate it with their beak. Wings were a great development for birds, but also crippled their future evolution in a fundamental way.
>>535982610elephants didnt chase anyone out of africa, they were food
PRÖÖÖH :D
>>535982610What a politically poignant post. It really makes you wonder if coffee is good for you.
>>535982832>You need hands for thatSays who? You need some kind of appendage that can manipulate the environment to such an extent that you can start building tools. Doesn't have to be hands. If we could figure out a way to boost octopus IQ they would probably be better suited at environment manipulation than we are based on their appendages alone. The elephant's trunk is way inferior to our hands but it's not useless.
>>535982832What is the next tree climber to ascend?
>>535983313>Says who?Natural history.>>535983313>If we could figure out a way to boost octopus IQ they would probably be better suited at environment manipulation than we are based on their appendages alone.Yeah but that's the point: octopus IQ would have to be boosted artificially because it's not going to keep increasing naturally due to lack of a pressure heavily selecting for it. Upright posture unlocked human hands, which led to a rapid increase in human brain size. Such a rapid increase in brain size (and hence intelligence) is not something that has happened with any other species in evolutionary history. The reason is because nothing like human hands, which allow for very precise manipulation of objects, has ever evolved before.
>>535983513Climbing trees stunts the development of the hands. Chimp hands are like ours but very clunky and lacking in dexterity. This was something that evolved after they left the forest and started walking upright.
>durr look at me im a tiny furless primate durrrrr i participate in industrial society hurrdurrr prooooohhhHumansisters....our response????
>>535982610Consider wearing a radiation suit, around that creature; discuss politics, the elephant does not trust the dragon.
>>535982610based
>>535983529Just because we are only aware of things happening one way doesn't mean they can only happen that specific way. What we know that we need is appendages able to manipulate the environment and build tools but there's no reason to believe that in all possible worlds these have to be "hands".In the case of the octopus it's tragic afaik they are quite smart and capable but they don't transmit information from generation to generation since they die after giving birth. It's as if we were born into a blank slate and had to figure everything from nothing every generation. I see a lot of potential in octopus. We probably wouldn't even need to boost their intelligence, just make it so they don't die after birth and can pass some knowledge down every generation and maybe they would start doing fun things.
>>535982610Long nose pige go pröööh
>>535983912>there's no reason to believe that in all possible worlds these have to be "hands"never said they had to be, but human hands are extremely unique in the animal world and there's nothing else like them that allows such precise manipulation of objects>I see a lot of potential in octopusliving underwater is a problem too, since most everything is soluble in water. that puts real limits on the ability of any underwater species to develop a complex material culture. you could imagine some high iq sea creatures engaging in agriculture, but how would they store the shit they grow? humans have used drying since the beginning to preserve food. sea creates can't do that. food preservation in the ocean is all but impossible, which creates a huge barrier to any intelligent sea creature civilization developing
>>535983865>>535983752>>535982610I fucking love elephants so much bros. They're so emotionally intelligent, I can't imagine how awful it must be for them to have to live with niggers and jeets.
>>535984850>can't imagine
>>535984236Living underwater presents unique challenges for sure but octopus sometimes crawl in the rocks to hunt for crabs maybe there could be a specific type of environment with shallow waters and rocks where they could thrive and start building stuff like traps to catch those other animals who knows. Maybe they could figure out how to build a container they would bring to the surface to store food. Funny to think about. I just think of their tentacles kind of like our hands but with way more fingers so they kinda have the potential to do lots of stuff.
>>535984928I understand but what I'm saying is that living underwater creates problems for complex development. Tool usage among sea creatures is totally possible and an actual real thing, but there's severe limits on how far they can take it in terms of results. Using a tool to crack open a clam? Sure. But how are they supposed to develop beyond that? Fire and all that comes with that (metalworking) is impossible. Electricity too. Any food surplus is fouled by being bathed in hungry microorganisms. I have a really hard time seeing how an underwater species could ever develop into a technological species naturally.
>>535984917Filthy mud people
>>535985180Yea those are good points. If they were able to build some traps on their own it would already be incredible to see though. Maybe half-underwater caves with dry places they could safely store stuff. Like we did as cavemen.
>>535982610not so fast elephantniggers
>>535984928why are they like this
>>535982610>early humans out of africakys nigger, whites and asians evolve apart from niggers and abos.
>>535985758fuck, meant for this>>535984917
>>535982610Yeah I'm thinking BASED
>>535982610Elephants are cool as fuck. The fact that they have to live around jeets and niggers is some kind of a curse on them.
>>535984928octupus can alter their own genes during their short-ass lives to adapt to the conditions where they spawn, since they spawn in different places because of sea current, seen a video about it the other day, but they basically trade their ability to evolve with that.
Cheers big ears
>>535983513the hell is a tree squirrel? all squirrels climb trees.
>>535983313>If we could figure out a way to boost octopus IQ they would probably be better suited at environment manipulation than we are based on their appendages alone.>underwater species>can't ever harness fire or develop combustion related technology
