>An Oklahoma landlord is facing a manslaughter charge after fatally shooting a squatter he found in one of his homes.>Timothy Smith, 59, opened fire on Justin King, 42, on his property in Oklahoma City on May 1 when he discovered he was illegally living there, police say.>Smith reportedly told police that he and his daughter checked on the home because the neighborhood had been having issues with homeless people in the past, and he wanted to ensure it was empty. >Smith, who was not living in the home at the time, said he entered with a gun and confronted King when he found him in the back bedroom with a woman. >When he ordered King to leave, Smith claimed that King stepped toward him, so he aimed 'at the area' of the squatter and pulled the trigger, per court records cited by KOCO. >He hit King in the neck, and he was taken to hospital. He died a week later on May 8. >Smith was initially arrested on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon. He was then charged with first-degree manslaughter after King died in hospital.
>>535990162>While he will not plead until his arraignment, which has not been scheduled, criminal defense attorney Ed Blau said he believes Smith may look to claim self-defense.>However, Blau, who is not representing Smith, said Oklahoma's Stand Your Ground laws may not apply to the landlord's case. >The law - also known as the Castle Doctrine - allows people to use deadly force in self-defense, provided they are in a place they have a legal right to be in, are not breaking the law and reasonably believe lethal force is necessary to save them from serious injury or death. >Blau said that while Oklahoma's laws would allow Smith to have shot King if he broke into his personal home, the case may be complicated by Smith not actively living in the property where the shooting took place. >'There’s not the death penalty for squatting in the state of Oklahoma. You can’t just take a gun in and shoot somebody,' he told KOCO. >'If a trespasser or a burglar breaks in or comes into your home that you live in and you’re there, you can pretty much shoot them or do whatever you want to with,' he said.>'And because of the Castle Doctrine here in Oklahoma, in a situation like this, an abandoned house, it’s much different. You can’t go in, put yourself in a situation and say, ‘This is my house, so I felt I had the right to shoot him.''
lmao what a retarded boomer. there are so many ways he could've resolved this
>>535990162If I were on the jury he'd walk free. Simple as.
>>535990385Yes, I don't understand why he didn't go through the legal process in place and wait several weeks while the squatter trashed the place so that the cops could finally remove him.
>>535990162MAGA woke,
allowing the proletariat to become landlords was a mistake
>>535990162Why arent the judge and prosecutor charged with depriving him of his property and rights?
WOKE FAGA
doesn't matter if he actively lived there or not, he had a legal right to be there squatter didn't and squatter attacked. No duty to retreat.
>>535990254Sounds like jewish bullshit. If a guy finds sone nigger in his house he can shoot him and you're not gonna find a jury in Oklahoma thats gonna say otherwise.
>>535990612There's a push to remove private property rights from people. It's a precursor for state to own your body. They are normalizing organ harvestingpost euthanasia. The slice you up and distribute your organs among the elite who might need it.
>>535990162>Commit murder>Go to jailNot complicated is it?
>>535990162No one should own more than one home
>>535990557>weeksTry 6 months to a year t. Property manager
>>535990162why the hell would you called the police after shooting a squatter? never call the fucking police
>>535990254Shooting someone is not death penalty, that's so stupid. Death penalty is for 20 people to go fetch a person from a cell where he had been imprisoned for year(s) , drag him into a room, tie them up, and end his life with poison while they all watch. Shooting someone in your property is either self defense, or if he killed him treacherously without warning, it can be considered murder.
>>535990162I don't see a reason to charge him.
>>535990924What about more than one room?
>>535990879>kidnap and kill gentile kids>get genocidedIts not complicated is it?
>>535990879wasn't murder.
>>535990385yeah, like not calling the cops and burying him in the backyard
>>535990608This.
>>535990162WTF. Do we live in early Soviet Russia now
>>535990798Well thanks to you shitbrains women don't have any right to control their bodies so it's only fair that you get to be enslaved by the 0.00000000001% too. Assholes.
>>535990254>allows people to use deadly force in self-defense, provided they are in a place they have a legal right to be in,Did the Homeowner not have a legal right to be there?I can understand charging the home owner if in fact the person he shot was a bona fide renter, but shouldn't that process have to play out first before they charged him??
>>535990162Based, did nothing wrong
>>535991206>fetus is squatting in your uteruslmao stfu baby murderer
>>535990162>>535990385He chose a far nicer way than he should've and deserves commendation not persecution.>>535991245>Did the Homeowner not have a legal right to be there?Bingo. It's self-defense even if someone sneaks into my home while I'm absent. That's like saying self-defense doesn't apply if someone ambushes you because they "were there first". That's idiotic.
>>535990162How to get rid of squatters legally>Be landlord or homeowner who has squatters >Police treat as a “civil matter” and won’t remove>Have friend who owns a renovation company >Sign a “renovation lease” with friend who owns renovation company granting them full access to the house, and allowance to perform “renovations”>Renovation company owner only needs to be let in once by squatter and can then refuse to leave due to lease agreement>Renovations can include removal of all windows and doors on the house>As lease allows you to move in for renovations you can also bring your pet pitbulls with you >Squatter now lives in a windowless house with pitbulls and a new room mate who is your friendThis is all completely legal by the way. But I’m also not a lawyer so obviously look into it before trying.
>>535990254>or do whatever you want to with,That can't be right.
>>535990879>walk into your house that you own and is unencumbered by a tenancy agreement, written or implied>stranger in there>tell him to leave>he refuses and moves toward you threateninglythat's self-defense, not murder
>>535991482you go to shitmartyou get backsomeone is in your housewhat do ??
>>535990254>You can’t go in, put yourself in a situation and say, ‘This is my house, so I felt I had the right to shoot him.''This is tacit approval of "squatters rights". The argument they're making is that the house no longer belonged to the property owner, but to the squatter.This is also about removing the agency from the common man and replacing it with endless bureaucracy. Why would they let you evict a squatter at gunpoint, when they can force you to pay lawyers a hundred thousand dollars to go through the legal framework of having the police do it for you a year later?
>>535991701the state must be abolished
>>535990402If he's anywhere near OKC he's fucked.
>>535991701Because if Jews werent extortionist parasites they would starve.
>boomer houseowner*househoarder
>>535991763European justice systems arent made for non europeans.
>>535990254>provided they are in a place they have a legal right to be in, are not breaking the law and reasonably believe lethal force is necessary to save them from serious injury or death.it says RIGHT IN THE FUCKING LAW WORD-FOR-WORD THAT HE WAS WITHIN EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE DIDFUCK THIS GAY ASS DEMONIC COUNTRY
reminder to always show up for jury duty so you can set based anons like this boomer free
>>535991625>>535991701Technically it's a civil matter. In England you can use reasonable force to remove them but you can't just kill them.
>>535990879>Swedish flag>a gay faggotthey really be together
>>535990402Me too.
>>535991129Yup
We own a side by side duplex and the wife rented the other side out before I got together with her. Being a landlord is a hell I wouldn’t wish on anyone and evicting someone is a fucking nightmare. Cost me $2k to get a stranger out of my house and then $5k in property damages. Guess how much I’ve seen of any of that. Behead all squatters. Drop kick squatter babies into the trash.
>>535991866Courts operated by jewish freemason child molesters exist to never let truth, facts, or law get in the way of a conviction.
>>535990726This.A good attorney could get him off on self defense regardless of the "poor squatter" issue they are trying to force to stir public emotion.
It's amazing that a homeless can move into your home and then legally make you homeless, but for some reason you can't do it back.
>>535990162Based
>>535992034>ignoring the court jews who caused this situation
>>535991129
>>535991129It’s good to just have one ready.
>>535990973He had a fuck buddy with him so he would have had to kill both. Most likely drugs involved also.
>>535991893as you may or may not be aware, this isn't England
>>535990162Total Landlord Death. It's simple Social Hygiene.
>>535992034On the other side though you have all these empty houses owned by BlackRock. Do you think it would be wrong to squat in one of those?
>>535992118Oh no I know. And the kike cops I had to have serve papers. And the hebe judge who didn’t do shit. And the sheenie fuckin lawyers getting their cut. Don’t forget the bankruptcy laws that let the squatter get off Scott free after all of it too.
>>535990254> allows people to use deadly force in self-defense, provided they are in a place they have a legal right to be in, are not breaking the law and reasonably believe lethal force is necessary to save them from serious injury or death.Literally word for word what happened. He’ll be fine
>>535992192My point is that we unironically have more rights in England but it also goes the other way, if I set up home on a piece of empty land and pay taxes for ten years without any objections then it essentially becomes mine.
>>535991129The solution.Been solving issues like this for hundreds of years.
>>535992232get a few thousand people to squat in the Blackrock offices.
>>535991245Only if he entered the property using the correct legal method. If he's missed any of the conditions, proper announcements, or pre-cursor notifications then this is cold blooded murder.
>>535991561I don't think it's quite right, what if you went into the wrong home by accident, yeah unlikely but it's a possible scenario.
>>535992232Try proving which houses are owned by them. Trust me it’s a nightmare and they’re really good at using intermediaries to hide what they’re doing.
>>535992299it's a self defense case the squatting is irrelevant and you absolutely have less rights idiot bong
>>535990254> in a situation like this, an abandoned house, it’s much different> abandoned Dudes gonna walk 100%
>>535990162>>535990254I like that the main difficulty in this legal arguing is that they're not sure whether the ink on paper validates the gentleman's actions or not.There is 0 moral appeal, 0 effort to say "he did wrong, people", 0 attempts to carpet the gentleman proprietor as a walking bomb who should be denied his rights for several years in prison.All they're worried about, is whether the ink on paper is in alignment with the right thing to do.Quite the change of pace.
>>535991482Over here we just send a bunch of guys with aks and the guy will politely walk out, or his corpse will be dragged out. Very fast and efficient
>that you live inThis is irrelevant and a smokescreen to attempt to confuse the issue for a jury.What the fuck is the governor doing? Why the fuck is the DA even bringing charges at all? Oklahoma is supposed to be a red state.
>>535992474Is it though? The squatter who lives there now (until the dispute is resolved through the court) just got killed by a burglar!
>>535992336You can always tell someone who’s never had to bury a corpse. >puts gun on ground >clean ass shovel completely the wrong size and handleI love watching movies where they’re in the woods with a shovel like this and never once hit a rock or root.
reminderwear a fucking body camera.you can get them at a reasonable price now.the only reason the owner is being charged is because he has no video evidence of the initial attack.
>>535991245>Did the Homeowner not have a legal right to be there?He owns the house but doesn't live there, squatter laws are retarded but no he doesn't have the legal right to once some one starts squatting.>>535992034Landlords perpetuate jewish usury, on the day of the rope you'll be up there with them.
>>535990162The home owner had every right to be on his property when the trespasser assaulted him. Clear self defense.
>>535992644>record your actionsvs>kill all witnesseshmmmmmmm
>>535992156not deep enough
>>535992628>burglarthe legal homeowner is not a burglar. play all the kike games you want but there isn't a jury in Oklahoma that will convict this guy and as far as rights go I live in Texas and can legally shoot someone stealing my property and you can't own a knife without a loicense
>>535992651Post your hands saar.
>>535992695>kill all witnesses>hmmmmmmmunless you are prepared for 'shoot shovel shut up' and can clean the scene expeditiously without anyone having heard the shots, shut the fuck up
>>535992730>there isn't a jury in Oklahoma that will convict this guyYou're about to get R'd up the A
>>535992651>He owns the house but doesn't live there, squatter laws are retarded but no he doesn't have the legal right to once some one starts squatting.Explain, the guy didn't announce he has a lease, he just charged the property owner.>>535992372>Only if he entered the property using the correct legal method.He has done all of that down to the T.
>>535992703No no not at all I’m just digging a trench then backfilling with chicken shit. All the decent dirt im putting in a raised bed.>>535992651>he doesn’t have a right to his propertyKys jeet.
>>535992644>the only reason the owner is being charged is because he has no video evidence of the initial attack.Yes I remember back before police had bodycameras, all the police being charged and sent to prison for being unable to prove what they claimed.
>>535992816>>535992821>landlords should be able to horde houses that they never live in!seething kikes
>>535991625The process is the punishment
>>535992816>Explain, the guy didn't announce he has a leaseDoesn't matter, that's what squatter laws are. If you aren't using a property and some one makes it their house after breaking in then they have a right to be there and you don't until the courts kick them out.Technically the bum was defending his home from an invader.
>>535993100I'd have more sympathy if it was a family home but it seems like this guy didn't live there.
>>535993092yes, agreed. in a just world the DA's family would be shot in front of him while he waits to be lynched
How the fuck do you actually deal with these parasites? As a homeowner I'm worried. Even property owners in red states get fucked
>>535991129/thread
Squatters aren't human
>>535990557dont forget the squatter gets to steal all the copper out of the walls.based homeowner should get a reward for deleting this criminal scumbag who essentially tried to steal his fucking house.
>>535990162>one of his homes
>>535991893>Technically it's a civil matterwhat's a civil matter? the owner went in not expecting to encounter anyone, encountered someone who got aggressive, and defended his own life. the only matter left is the question of "is the homeowner criminally liable for any of this," which is going to be a quick "no"
I can never understand the concept of 'squatters rights'.I don't hear anybody crying out for rape rights, murder rights, theft rights etc.I mean if someone is squatting in a house, wouldn't that make them a thief?>>535993250I'm activevly looking to buy a home and the thought have crossed my mind.I think the best thing to do is not call the police, but camp out somewhere and monitor the squatters, at some point they will have to leave for something, once that happens, break-in to your home and immediately change the locks and stay there for a minute.The squatters will def call the police but at that point the cops will tell you guys it's a civil matter, which is something the squatters have no leg to stand on since they can never prove they own the home.
>>535990162>Smith claimed that King stepped toward him, so he aimed 'at the area' of the squatter and pulled the trigger, per court records"I'm not saying anything until I speak with a lawyer"You can't catch a fish that doesn't open its mouth..
>>535990162your "based" oklahomo, sir
>>535993517>I can never understand the concept of 'squatters rights'.The idea was that land doesn't sit unused.>>535993517A lot of the problems are because of modern society, think about it, back in the day you had a stay at home wife who there most of the day, and nobody can squat if someone is already in the home.Most of these cases involve extra properties and not the place of residence.
>>535993517retard has never heard of a spectrum
>>535993517it's actually better to walk in gun drawn, kill them in a way that makes it look like self defense, and then call the cops saying there was a home invader(s) who rushed you when you walked in. btw this is also why you shouldn't have cameras.
>>535990385Should be completely legal to shoot squaters in your home. That's a home invader.
>>535993428>the owner went in not expecting to encounter anyone, encountered someone who got aggressive, and defended his own lifeThat's just his word of events.
>>535991893i dont care about your gay idiot nanny-state laws.
>>535993789>Should be completely legal to shoot squaters in your home. That's a home invader.The home you actually live in or your tenth property?
>>535990879>break into someones home>forfeit your lifeNot complicated is it?
>>535993250thats the best way, the guy went inside knowing he might have to kill someone but he was determined not to get scared out of his own house
>>535993887The guy technically broke into someone else's home.
>>535992232blackrock doesnt own any houses, moron. its just a gay leftist myth. and if they did, they sure as shit wouldn't want them to be empty and not collecting rent.
>>535990879Murder has yet to be determined. Self defense killing isnt murder by definition.
>>535992985>property owners don’t have rights to the property they own>what’s your’s is mineJewjeet logic there
>>535993791unless there's actual proof otherwise from not-the-fuckhole-also-there-illegally, that's the only version of events to consider. any defense lawyer will immediately and rightly discredit the fwb's testimony as biased and coming from a co-conspirator
>>535990162>Be a squatter>Fail to change the locksWell he got what he fucking deserved, this shit ain't agame
>>535993677>The idea was that land doesn't sit unused.Used or unused, it's under an ownership of someone who bought it through the legal maeans.>back in the day you had a stay at home wife who there most of the day, and nobody can squat if someone is already in the home.Yeah until the wife get's raped and her throat slit.Kidding here, I don't think that's a legitimate argument, there was a point in time here in the US were you can shoot some one that is stealing your horse.>>535993682>retard has never heard of a spectrumWhat? >>535993775>kill them in a way that makes it look like self defenseThe main issue are forensics, you simply can't fool science.What you meant to say is that you walked into your home, heard noises coming from upstairs, grabbed your gun, and they lunged at you.Of course you won't say any of that the cops, you keep your mouth shut till your lawyer shows up.
>>535991625you just give the cops a call and they can come shoot him for you
>>535990557You're a pussy bitch and this man should get a medal instead of a prison sentence but that's America for you. Reward and protect scumbags, attack and destroy honest American citizens
>>535994264>The main issue are forensics, you simply can't fool science.>shoot him in the front while he's not backpedaling>crouch down a little to make it look like you had fallen in a panic or somethingyou can't fool forensics, I tripped in the heat of the moment and the guy lunged at me aggressively
>rely on judaic law>jewish judge decides the goyim must pay>how could this happen
>>535993983Nice try ragebaiting spamfag but you don't get paid not enough for a livable wage to shitpost here unless you're a jeet.I own multiple properties if he got inside he broke in, so he's a criminal trespasser who has zero rights.Landlord charges will ultimately be dropped.
squatters should lose all human rights
>>535994317they don't want to involve themselves and will tell you to pay a lawyer to sort things out over the next year.
>>535990162>squatterdeserved
>>535994264What would the authorities rather?>land is sitting unused by owner who does nothing with it>guy fences off a small portion of the land and begins living there, paying taxes, etc.I don't think you understand what "ownership" really means. It's an agreement between you and the government.
>>535994422the funny thing is you can 100% fool forensics. It has an absurdly high failure rate. People just watch jewish television where they always pull it out like a magic hat that never fails. Shooting the same gun something like 500 times changes the pattern as does cleaning it. If this wasn't the case, 99% of the black population would be in state penitentiaries already.
>>535994447>he's a criminal trespasserEvery criminal is technically a trespasser.
>>535990726Even fucking Steve Lehto has argued that this is standard castle doctrine.Lehto went so far as to say walking into your own home with a shotgun and basically going wild because there won't be any living witnesses is perfectly legal under most US state laws.
>>535990385There is literally no legal recourse against squatters in the US.
>>535994538Depends in the 90s detectives were mostly white as were forensic workers now you got 29000 shaqueefas who grew up watching forensic files and all the white people got old.Plus microplastics, plus food pollution etc etc
>killed sex haverBased
>>535991482Just pay some homeless guys 50 bucks to beat the shit out of the squattereasy
>>535994554Did you think this was somehow wise?You only proved my point.As I said the law is with the owner of the property not with the tweeker who broke into a bando.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXRoEa6XmwIn the 2 states I own properties there's zero law regarding abandon property, you can't abandon a property unless the owner is dead and has no heirs.Then the state takes it.
>>535990402I wouldn’t, fuck boomers. It’s his second house.
>>535994593I'd argue that it's never been easier to get away with crime if you're not stupid. Not just because of forensics but because there's barely any social cohesion.In the past, your neighbours might notice a change in your behaviour, people at your club might notice you were absent on a particular day, etc.
>>535990162pretty cut and dry murder castle doctrine doesn't apply when you are the one doing the enteringmaybe a drop to manslaughter if it can be proven the squatter was acting menacing or whatever you call it
>>535990162Niggers are allowed to steal your home in the JEWSA.
>>535991863Yesir, entitled fucking boomers.
>>535994702Somewhat cops have connections to nearly all cameras in the city and all businesses buck to cops if they are doing detective work>t. got investigated for manslaughter when some dumb black bitch hit and ran me and killed one of her passengers and tried blaming meFunny thing, they didn't investigate her or let me get her information to sue her they 100% protected her, I knew who it was the detective hinted they knew but couldn't do anything.Love my blue city.
>>535994660There's actually three main types of trespass. Not every trespass is a crime though. Unlawful entry which is what you are referring to is not necessarily a crime by itself. Breaking and entering on the other hand is always a crime.
>>535992967>Yes I remember back before police had bodycameras, all the police being charged and sent to prison for being unable to prove what they claimed.wowlook at you completely misrepresenting reality.you fucking retard.you must be salty because body cameras proved the niggers are niggers 97% of the time.protect yourself and stop making false equivalencies
>>535993832It doesn't matter
>>535994823It does matter actually because "castle doctrine" only applies to the place you are living in.
>>535990254In any sane country he would be prosecuted since he didn't even bother to inform the cops yet he knew the squatter was there. >>535991701Police boot them out over here. Typically if you get squatters its because you're not doing anything with the building for a long time. A way to prevent it is to put a property up for anti squatting rent, someone pays a low amount to live there and prevent it turning into a complete dumpster.
Why couldn't he just get the state's assistance in enforcing his property claim?
>>535990162Bye kike boomer faggot
>>535994808Here's the thing if a window was unlocked it's not breaking and entering, if he locked the windows and the doors and it's very easy to tell if someone broke in the victim is 100% in the wrong, unless they can prove he told the dude to leave and he was leaving peacefully the owner will walk.
>>535990879>murderShut the fuck up illiterate retardYou're not even White, why am I talking to a fucking animal
>>535994857Not always in my state castle doctrine is actually the space you occupy meaning, it is only extended due to property.the trespasser has only the castle doctrine of his personal space which doesn't extend into the boundries of the homeowner since he was inside the home when this took place therefor extending his castle and eliminating the victims.This is midwest so likely the same.
>>535994857Another fucking idiotIt's his house, he can claim he lived there 5 minutes every week. Got a problem with that? Dumb fuck bongoloid
>>535994921>Here's the thing if a window was unlocked it's not breaking and enteringWrong.
>>535994857Also I can say having to escort multiple people off my property at gunpoint they always ALWAYS get violent, even if they don't act like it their words are violent and they only cowtail knowing you'll shoot them and they will not walk.I've also put someone in jail for 2 years for trespassing.I'm familiar with this scenario.LL should have had backup.
>>535993832Covetousness is idolatry. You get your own.
>>535994857He was standing his ground on his property Whatever pilpul the 'victim' side presents, will not fly
>>535995045I'm correct if a windows unlock it's unlawful entry as the other person said, breaking and entering implies you forced your way inside, I've also gotten off on unlawful entry when I got into my ex's house and collected my items from an unlocked window, this was the key to me walking on this once the detectives knew my story matched with my ex's they couldn't hit me with breaking and entering and dropped all charges.But tell me I'm wrong again.
>>535990162>in one of his homesHow many does this leech need?
>>535990162In Texas he would not even be arrested. He should walk on this. Fuck squatters.
>>535995066>I've also put someone in jail for 2 years for trespassing.They must have been doing more than just being on your property because that's not a jailable offence.
>>535990254>there is no death penalty for squatting in someone's homeso they are railroading the boomer because the city doesnt want to deal with their homeless problem. got it
>>535994408Wild that despite others before you picking up on the sarcasm you were still too retarded to do so. Flag checks out.
>>535995129you have an inside connectiona complete stranger that happens to find a way to enter without damaging the building is breaking the veil of ownership and entering without permission without any connection.
>>535995135You don't know him. Typical boomers like this are self-made. Granted it was easier for them to obtain because of socio-economic factors but it's still theirs that they worked for. You're probably a neet anyways, you'd never understand.
>>535995173They had priors, and he was intending to break in, and refused to leave after being told and came back to my property after.He had priors and the prosecuter begged me to press charges since he kept slipping through their cracks.
>>535991206Probably the only reason your mother gave birth to you is because she had to.
>>535992156Every scout knows to be prepared
>>535995146the police are already inventing reasons to fuck him over. he is done unless he gets lawyer smarter than the DA
>>535995203There's literally no such thing as breaking and entering in my state, it's trespassing and burgalry, since I only took the items I already owned it wasn't burgalry and trespassing by walking through a window was so minor they dropped it.My family did help build the city though and ran the KCPD so I might have an asterik in their computers.My dad also got away with a ton of shit.
>>535990162>King stepped toward himWould have been enough for acquittal>>535990254>This is my house, so I felt I had the right to shoot him.''He lost. Shut up and lawyer up.
>>535995203As I said my ex's property I wasn't a stranger, I walked in and she wasn't living there she left but also was holding all my shit in her possession demanding I get a lawyer to get it back including my dead dads belongings, I didn't take her shit thus they dropped it.a homeless person doesn't phase through a building they've never been before and if the front door was wide open the cops wouldn't press charges on someone if they found them inside, same premise, lock your shit.
>>535990254>an abandoned house, it’s much different.This guy probably had it listed and was obviously checking on it. It's not abandoned.
>>535992299>more rightsTweet "muslim rapist" 3x fast and see if the Candyman or the police show up faster.
>>535995560There's no abandoned property law as most states, the only way a property can be abandoned is if the owner proclaims he's abandoning it, or you know you don't pay the taxes.
If he gets off, then it creates a loop-hole to freely murder someone.>offer someone a place to live in your house>you come home and shoot them>claim they were a squatter
>>535995045We're both correct. It's only breaking and entering if you, you know, break and enter. If the door or window is open then it's unlawful entry which is a civil tort at worst.
>>535990254>>Blau said that while Oklahoma's laws would allow Smith to have shot King if he broke into his personal home, the case may be complicated by Smith not actively living in the property where the shooting took place.That's jew mumbo jumbo. Castle doctrine's core tenant is that you have no duty to retreat. If you are somewhere you may legally be, you have a right to self defense. You can defend yourself in a car or in a public park.>>535992651You are making some weird shit up there. Either that, or it fucking sucks real fucking bad in Canada.
So what is wrong with the following:>fumigate the house>release hungry dogs and lock door; deny entry to pound>release wasps and lock door; deny entry to exterminator>hire other homeless to beat the shit out of him and drag him out>burn the house and collect insurance>smoke him outI mean, not to get creative but there are so many ways to deal with this.
>>535995560>I abandoned my boy!https://youtu.be/zY-QxUoaMeM?t=123
Kill all squatters Kill all homeless Purge them
>>535990162
>>535995707you have an intent to harm someone with those options and will get you in legal trouble.
>>535990254I can't believe my state went full faggot with absolutely zero resistance.
Lots of angry chuds in here. Nice to see. Lets have a think >The property wasnt the landlords main residence >The landlord hadnt lived in the property for a year>The squatter was already in the property >Did Smith think deadly force was immediately necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury? "He stepped towards me so I killed him">Jury that isn't sufficient to kill a manSmith jailed.
>>535994709The squatter was a menace by illegally entering a home that did not belong to him.Shoot ‘em all in the face
>>535991893You can't "just kill" anyone here, either. If you kill someone you better have a good reason. ie, they attack you and you're in fear or life and limb, or they attack someone else, or they have invaded your home while you're inside (not just a property you own). Why wpuld you think Americans can just kill each other? That's stupid.
>>535995859Everything you just said means absolutely nothing.A realtor can own 10000 properties or a landlord can own 100 it doesn't matter as long as the taxes are paid and the owner hasn't literally taken a fucking ad out in the paper saying "I've abandoned my boy"It means nothing, you think like a woman you also shit up /biz/go fuck yourself faggot woman poster.>this dumb nigger spams greta and this dumb bitch nonstop and is an indian thinking he's white if he posts pepes.You live five year in the past and thrive on >LE CURRENT THING.You're worse than homeless squatters.
>>535992617>Why the fuck is the DA even bringing charges at all? Oklahoma is supposed to be a red state.No matter how "red" a state is they do this to protect state power, vigilantees terrify the state and that's almost the sole purpose for all these squatter's rights, it's just a way to expand state power>Oh ohhhhh nothing we can do, nope no way, you just lost a quarter million dollar property>To some homeless nigger selling drugs brandishing knives>But nothing we can do it's a civil matter>Oh noooo>We'll arrest you if you beat him with a stick or kill him thoughThe general rule is that if there's a corruption that the state knows about that they do nothing about they want it like that, probably because it makes them more powerful.
>>535990612Americans gave up property rights when they accepted property tax. Simple as.
>>535990924Why?
>>535992759you don't have to 'clean the scene', memeflag retardthere are no witnesses to say it was anything but self defense
>>535995859>spineless brit has an opinionCute.
>>535995270>he is done unless he gets lawyer smarter than the DADA's probably fishing for a plea deal, like usual. Arrest, make an example of, fish for a plea.Because there's literally nothing here.
>>535992644>just give the cops video>surely this will work
>>535990162You know if squatters were just normal people and not crackheads that bring crime & property destruction wherever they go people might have a different outlook on squatters. Feels like a third of these properties burn down due to retards ODing with lit cigarettes in their hands.
Well it's his house he owns it so Castle doctrine. Fuck off with anything else
>>535995707Yeah like literally anything that doesn't leave physical marks that could be traced back to you. A million creative ways. IRL you don't want to blast them, but yeah if you have a wasp nest that's a good one to do repeatedly.
>give cops videoNo, give your defense attorney your video.NEVER give cops ANYTHING. Only deal with your own attorney.
>>535996011If he was residing in it and the squatter was actively trying to break in, castle doctrine would have potentially protected Smith. He was not in the property when the squatter entered the building. In fact, he hadn't lived in the building for over a year. So it actually has nothing to do with castle doctrine now and it will not be used as a defence. It has everything to do with whether Smith thought his life was in danger. Based on "He stepped towards me" doesnt look like a promising defence does it. What did he step towards you with? Nothing? A dildo? An AR14? So what made you fear for your life? Well he was 6'2 and I'm 5'5, he stood up particularly quickly, and the pace in which he moved his lead leg forward scared me
>>535996344i know youre a no-guns bong faggot, but if you point a gun at someone and they advance on you, you can safely assume they are trying to disarm you
>>535990162Good men suffer when judges and lawyers are allowed to sleep without fear. You voted for this.
the only mistake in any of this is that the home owner didn't magdump and gave the parasite racial enemy criminal a month to rally the clans against him while wasting millions in national healthcare $ that could have gone toward anything other than keeping another criminal niggerbeaner artificially breathing
>>535990162That's bullshit. I'd kill you if you tried to steal my house too.
>>535996454Self defence, would actually make more sense than castle doctrine in this case. But it wouldn't stand up. Because smith already made a statement to police stating he did not feel threatened.
>>535990254>abandoned houseLol, it's his house.
>>535990162A squatter is a home invader by another name. Just shoot them.
>>535994408thats it cletus now go pay taxes to them jews, thatll show em
dunno why you wouldn't just call the police and have them sort it out. Squatters rights are notoriously hard to prove to the courts so unless that property was just sitting the vacant for years all you have to do is just call the cops.
>>535996779yea, no defense stands up when you just say dumb shit to copsim just saying that it doesnt matter if the other person is unarmed if they are advancing on you
If squatter protection laws didn't exist the guy wouldn't have had to go to extreme measures. It should be a simple call to the cops to get someone removed.
>>535991206>why yes i am that special kind of extra retardedfantastic, abort yourself for everyone's benefit.
>>535990254The trick to curbstomping squatters is only do things you would do to yourself...So make sure you prep and practice your death age home that you choose to live in. Like, "I always expect a gas grenade when I come home, I'm PREPMAXXED" or like "I'm always expecting a terrorist to dump tons of pure c02 into my environment at any moment... I'm HAPPENING-MAXXED!" or some other shit. As long as you are okay with no one being home and navigating you're own pre-navigated nightmare.... This is the living preferences you prefer for your lifestyle (religion) of "being ready" for ANYTHING as required per your job as a "male" in society.... "So it's not premeditation, Your "honor."" Hahaha
>>535992034Fuck you, bitch
>>535990385Isn’t squatters almost impossible to remove because the law protects them and gives them legal rights to the house
>>535990162>>Smith was initially arrested on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon. He was then charged with first-degree manslaughter after King died in hospital.It's amazing that people haven't risen up against the Democrat/Leftists/Socialists/Jews who do this anti-white shit. When will enough be enough. No more Mr Nice Higher Road bullshit. Oh and QUIT CALLING THE POLICE. ShootShovel SHUT UP!
>>535990162don't bring a gun to a baseball bat fight
>>535990162I mean the dude basically said “I told him to leave and he didn’t so I shot him”. If self defense is the motive, you have to do better than that. “Guy was screaming at me” “tried to get my gun” etc. not like he had video surveillance on the property
>>535992079He approached the squatter and was armed with a gun. How is that self defense?
>>535990162BASED
>>535990879You don't even have Jails in Sweden. You just have adult time out centers where they can play their Xbox's and do whatever they want as long as they don't decide to walk out of the unlocked doors and gates. And if they walk out and get caught they just get a stern talking to and more timeout center time.
>>535997020They only get legal rights if they occupy the house for 15 years, pay property taxes on it for 5 years or some other obscene paperwork to have a claim on it.
>>535990254>>Blau said that while Oklahoma's laws would allow Smith to have shot King if he broke into his personal home, the case may be complicated by Smith not actively living in the property where the shooting took place.>>535990254>>'And because of the Castle Doctrine here in Oklahoma, in a situation like this, an abandoned house, it’s much different. You can’t go in, put yourself in a situation and say, ‘This is my house, so I felt I had the right to shoot him.''That basically says you have no right to defend yourself anywhere outside of your primary residence, not in public, anywhere? If the cops/judges won't arrest the DA and judges involved in this case, then it will soon turn to the people to arrest these criminal SOROS DA's and hold citizen tribunals for them.
>>535995859Have you ever tried to move along a vagrant? There is definitely a risk of grave bodily injury.
>>535990385this. he could have kidnapped him and locked him in a dark basement and hired a gorilla trainer to have a gorilla rape him in the ass every day at 2:37am
>>535993250A large rubbermaid bin, baking soda, and dermestid beetles
>>535996869>trusting pigs and corrupt judges in this pozzed countrywew lad
>>535990162I would rule in favor of the shooter unless it could be proven he had prior knowledge that this particular squatter had "claimed" his home. He has a legal right to be there on his own property if the squatter hasn't articulated that he's staking a claim.
>>535996038Property tax is older than the founding, and widely recognized as one of the few good taxes because it penalizes people who squat on 500 properties and encourages old people to give their house(s) to their children who can afford the tax.The issue with property tax today is the existence of other taxes and the amount of exemptions and credits old people can get.
>>535996890But it's literally not a police matter.
>>535997249>I don't trust these corrupt pigs and judges>But I'm not going to bring a witness with me or even a bodycam to use to defend myself in court withNah he's a retard.
>>535996869In the US the squatter can say he lost his lease papers and now the homeowner has to go through civil court to prove that there were no valid lease papers.
>>535997334The whole property system wouldn't work without tax. If nobody paid tax then who is going to enforce the deeds?
>>535990254The attorney is legally correct, this guy is likely screwed
>>535993250You can "hire" a counter-squatter to co-squat with him. They get some tenuous document saying they're renting from the owner so they have the legal right to stay. Then he can blast loud music all day, make foul odours, accumulate trash, intimidate, release nuisance pests like fleas, anything you can think of which isn't a crime or at least requires admission of guilt for it to be illegal.
>>535993100>Doesn't matter, that's what squatter laws are. If you aren't using a property and some one makes it their house after breaking in then they have a right to be there and you don't until the courts kick them out.>Technically the bum was defending his home from an invader.That's not how adverse possession works, first the bum has to declare he is taking possession of the property.He didn't even do that, if he did and made the homeowner call the cops instead of assaulting the home owner, then the courts would of kicked his ass out anyways, and held him liable for judgement.I Think Homicide detectives in this case should have to prove a real monitary contact nexus between the homeowner and the squatter before charging.
>>535997178In this case we know there wasn't a risk of serious bodily injury based on witness testimony. >>535997520There is a good video on youtube. Sjc decides to live with Mary until she taps out and leaves
>>535994812>wow>look at you completely misrepresenting reality.>you fucking retard.>you must be salty because body cameras proved the niggers are niggers 97% of the time.>protect yourself and stop making false equivalenciesCompletely missing the point flying over your home.Prosecutors didn't charge police for not having video footage beforehand or even now.Here they are taking the word of a homeless junky over a homeowner, because he's not a cop.
>>535997520Yeah pretty much, people need to stop relying on the cops for things.This is the message, just hire someone to do it. It could even literally be a handyman who goes in and removes every door from the house for renovations, thus making the house unlivable. You involve the state and they will fuck you over for being goyim.
>>535990162I think he found out what Timmy gon’ do
>>535997637>In this case we know there wasn't a risk of serious bodily injury based on witness testimony.What, the squatter's gf? Probably the most impeachable witness ever.
>>535997822>You involve the state and they will fuck you over for being goyim.So poignant and true.
>>535990162And people still try to get out of jury duty
>visit house property you own>not expecting anyone>find signs of recent habitation>move to investigate the oddity>find retard who thinks he owns the place confronting the real owner>real owner thinks it's a dangerous junkie squatting in his house that is about to shiv him with a heroin needle>shoots squatter out of fear for his lifeeasy self defense
>>535991206Kill yourself
>>535998188They'll have to convince a jury.
>>535990879>murder>>Go to jailIn most states, if a Democrat or a Libeal breakes into your HOME to commit a crime (criminal trespass, larceny of premises, damage to property,), and especialliy if burglar tries to use force or violence to remain or to commit a crime, the use of deadly physical force is lawful, justified and not murder. The laws for killing Democrats where they are not allowed are for the sake of preserving the lives and liberty of civilizized people. In this case, if the Democrat Burglar came towards the man, the man had a reasonale right to claim self-defense.
>>535997900His own statement moron. Just stop replying to me. You're retarded
that is an amerimutt. probably named quentin or arnold or marcus
folks, hit the record button around these niggers
>>535990162>Oklahoma>>535990612Second-Degree Burglary: Breaking into a dwelling when no one is present, or breaking into a commercial building, vehicle, or enclosed structure with the intent to steal or commit a felony (a felony may include Forcible Larceny of Premises, i.e., forcible squatting).https://ok.elaws.us/os/21-1289.25seems to require a reasonable belief that the intruder intends to commit a crime involving force/violence or inflict bodily harm?part of the burglary is with the intent to commit a crime therein. So crime can be anything. It can be you breaking into somebody’s house to try to hit or kick them, committing an assault and battery. Well, that’s first-degree burglary." " if you break into a house with the intent to commit a crime, but nobody is home, well that’s second-degree burglary." https://www.wagonerlawyer.com/ A Squatter who enters with intent to use force against the true owner when he shows up is First-Degree Burglar, and/or Robber (Forcible Theft of Premises)? In this case, if the shooter reasonably believed he was being attacked because he was the True Owner (to takekeep the Premises by force), the shooter should be justified to shoot and kill the attacking Burglar. This house was not "abandoned", only temporarily unoccupied.
>>535998781Yeah but it's also going to be dependent on the circumstances of the encounter. If it's a surprise encounter and a resulting scuffle then yeah it's going to be in favor of the boomer. But if the boomer planned out an execution and gunned the guy down it's going to be very hard for him-that state is very jealous of its monopoly on violence.
>>535991482This is beyond overkillPeople literally setup services >>535994654 for this kind of shit. Pay them a couple bucks and they go torment the squatter or find a more rabid nigger to beat the piss outta him
>>535991893>y it's a civil matter. InEntering premises, knowingly-unlawfully is CRIMINAL trespass, not a civil (lease/rent dispute). The intruder had xero consent or right to enter or remain, much less to plot and attack the True Owner. Think of Camve men law. Cave Man returns from hunting to find unknown untrusted intruder, and intruder uses force/threats to exlude the True Owner. Cave man has natural right to kill the intruder.
>>535990162Really love how they cherrypicked a pic of the burglar from 15 years ago before he became a homeless junkie.
>>535990162Trespassing on anybody's land anywhere should be grounds for lethal force.
>>535994709>pretty cut and dry murder>castle doctrine doesn't apply when you are the one doing the entering>maybe a drop to manslaughter if it can be proven the squatter was acting menacing or whatever you call itThe Squatter/Trespasser was using Physical Force to Withhold (steal) the Premises from the True Owner? Thank is the definition of Robbery (Forcible Theft of Premises), and common law (and New York State Statutes) permits deadly force against Robbers. In England you conivicted a Farmer who shot two burglars. [Tony Martin. In 2000, he was convicted of murder for shooting 16-year-old Fred Barras during a break-in at his Norfolk farmhouse. killing Barras and wounding Fearon. His conviction was later reduced to manslaughter on appeal, resulting in a three-year prison sentence] You modern Brits are worthless idiots. who abandoned the Common Law. Americans fought the American Revolution to Keep The Common law "free system of English Laws" [Tony Martin case ignited a massive nationwide debate in the UK regarding homeowners' rights and the level of force that can legally be used in self-defense. It contributed to subsequent changes in English law, including the "householder's defence" in the Crime and Courts Act, which grants broader legal protection to homeowners tackling intruders.]
>>535991245>jewish beak>low, back-rotated ears
>>535994857This is wrong, in Oklahoma Castle Doctrine extends to property including vehicles.
>>535999712thank you MSN commenter
>>535997127There's no such thing as an abandoned house.you guys keep using that word as if leaving a house is giving up it's title and deed.If that's the case every person leaving for dinner would be abandoning their home.
Well he's fucking dead now. Toll paid in full. If more people shot squatters rather than trying to play the jew's game there'd be no more squatters.
>>535998321No they do not, this is a show and will be dropped.
>>535998321These are the cases I'd actually want to serve jury duty on.
>>535990254>it's coming right at us!he had every legal and moral right to put a bullet in the felons head
>>535990162Kinda torn desu. Hate squatters but hate boomer parasites even more
>>535997127You can if they’re fighting youIn your house, you can with almost no questionsThis clearly was not the guy’s bedroom but a property he “managed”
>>535990162>a squatter he found in one of his homes>one of his homesHow many houses did this boomer own?In fact, why was this one supposed to be empty? Did he have trouble renting it out or something? Old fuck is hoarding houses.
>>536000697>old fuck is hoarding housesSo what blackrock israeli jews own almost all the real estate in the world.Who seriously gives a fuck about if a boomer owns two houses that are worth basically nothing just hyperinflated so jews can scamwick the economy.If you're upset about single boomer wait till you hear about jews.
>>535992372you only have to give written notices for lease holders/renters not on properties that are supposed to be vacant numbnuts
>>536000775>so what if you aspire to be a blackrock Jew!
>>535990385Maybe if the cops actually sided with property owners instead of squatters in this country, this whole fucking thing could have been avoided?
>>535990764This.
>>535990254the boomers are fuckin fired up over this one, holy shit
>>536000802Did you know between vanguard state street and blackrocks software Aladdin they control over 50% of the worlds entire economy......Not the USA, the world.
>>535990162shouldn't be illegal. i'd nullify on this jury.
>>535993100>...some one makes it their house after breaking in...what kind of jew logic is this?B&E is a crime.
>>535992637You're trying to tell us that if you had to, you couldn't make that work out for you?
>>535990162>manslaughterThat's just murder. He entered with the intention of shooting the squatter as the gun was already drawn. Stepping towards him is also not an aggressive action that justifies self defense unless he had reason to believe his intentions were hostile. Especially if the door to exit the room is in the direction of the shooter.Self defense works for castle doctrine because the burglar is commiting a hostile act by breaking into your home with the intent to do harm. Someone simply living in the home is not actively intending harm. If there are no squatters rights then you are perfectly in the right to order the squatter to leave your home but you can't just shoot them unless they give you a real reason to believe they will do harm to you. Stepping towards you can qualify if they made threats towards you beforehand.
>>535996344The average offender can sprint 21 feet before the average cop can draw and fire two lethal shots. You gonna be nice and let the squatter run up into cave your head in or slice you with a box cutter range before you decide to shoot?
>>535995663That's bullshit because the heinz57 nigger was trespassing.
>>536001523Jury would need to deliberate on the reasonableness of the owner's self-defense and his frame of mine. On one-hand the squatter has rights to self-defense and even live there until ejected by law-enforcement. On the other hand the owner may not have known there was a squatter so he was surprised by an unknown assailant while he was unknowingly trespassing on a squatter's encampment.
>>535990162.It's a squatter, and this Timmy is not guilty.
>>535990254>the case may be complicated by Smith not actively living in the property where the shooting took place.Law has no stipulation for that. Easy open and shut case that the shooter was within his rights in accordance to the law.>And because of the Castle Doctrine here in Oklahoma, in a situation like this, an abandoned houseNot abandoned, he owned it.When you have people just straight up making shit up like this, you know they have no fucking case.
>>535997072>He approached the squatter and was armed with a gun.In his own house. If he woke up to the squatter in his kitchen, and went down to the kitchen with a gun, he's within his rights to do that. If you go out to buy groceries, and when you come back home, you see a stranger break into your home, you would also have no issues following him inside your home, armed. He didn't fire till the squatter tried to move towards the home owner. Simple case here.
>>535990162All landlords are inherently jews. Hang him.
>>536002094FREEEEE TIMMYYYYY
Who called the ambulance lol? Shoot the nigger and his hooker in the head twice and bury them
>>536002023>so he was surprised by an unknown assailantThe issue here is his own words>said he entered with a gun and confronted King when he found him in the back bedroom with a woman.>When he ordered King to leave, Smith claimed that King stepped toward him, so he aimed 'at the area' of the squatter and pulled the trigger,While there's a lack of detail, he specifies he entered with a gun which makes you assume he had it drawn, and that the squadder was in the bedroom with a woman which can mean a lot of things but generally assumed to be in the middle of something/caught offguard. He also felt that he was in a position of power enough to order the squadder to leave, and his statement that he aimed and shot after the squatter stepped towards him also backs up that he had the gun drawn and in control. Which is why you never speak to police without first speaking to your lawyer.Of course, he spoke to police and said all of this that makes me believe it is premeditated murder, not manslaughter.
>>535994677You're missing the forest for the treesYou have to stay consistent with the "I can defend my property" angle
>>536001523>He entered with the intention of shooting the squatter as the gun was already drawnWhich is within his right according to the law. But aside from that, you'd have to prove that he went in there to kill him. VERY hard to prove a motive like that in this case, as when approaching someone who decided to break into your house to live there, you draw a gun for self defence, and use it if you need to.>Stepping towards him is also not an aggressive action that justifies self defense unless he had reason to believe his intentions were hostile.That's not the law retard. CLEARLY.>Self defense works for castle doctrine because the burglar is commiting a hostile act by breaking into your home with the intent to do harm. "intent to do harm" isn't the stipulation in castle doctrine, stupid. By having someone that broke into your home being there, the law ASSUMES justification for shooting him.
>>536002023>n one-hand the squatter has rights to self-defense and even live there until ejected by law-enforcement.Wrong. Squatter doesn't have squatter rights in TN unless he was there for 15 years. As far as the law was concerned, the man was currently in a house he broke into.
>>535997063Yeah, "I told him to leave and he stepped towards me" does not convincingly read as "I feared for my life". Presumably the property owner entered the room through some sort of passageway that would lead outside the building. You know, the direction a squatter would need to go to leave. Not even saying that's what the squatter was doing. He was realistically probably approaching to talk and give some sob story to try and convince the guy to let him stay. But the fact that he shot the guy for doing something indistinguishable from the thing he asked him to do makes self defense hard to argue.
>>535991036Shooting someone uninvited on you property is always self defense because they are in progress of committing a crime, and criminals do not respect the law, so you are always at risk of being attacked/killed. Simple as. The squatter has the burden of evidence to show that 1) he had no other choice (which can't be proven, he DOES have other choices), and 2) he was harmless and there was no way anyone could misconstrue he was harmless. Neither is provable now he's dead and their is no footage. So end result is we must assume the man is innocent, which supposes the burglar was hostile and proceed to attempt to harm the man. Which makes this a self defense shooting. And it's real simple - don't do the crime if you can't do the time or get shot at for doing it - either by people OR the police. There is a reason homeless live in tent cities and shit - they are all respecting the law, and doing what they have to for survival.
>>535994709the foreign flags commenting on american law will never cease to make me laugh shut the fuck up you retard
>>536002426Drawing your gun in your own home when you know the man who broke into your home is currently somewhere inside, is not premeditated murder. The fact that he told the criminal to fuck off, shows it wasn't premeditated. The fact that he only shot when the criminal came towards him, shows it wasn't premeditated.
>>535991129Comprehensive reading.There was an another squatters there too
>>536002596Oklahoma City is not in Tennessee.
>>535997020It depends on how they're squatting. In cases where a landlord tries to evict someone and it takes months or years, that's probably a professional squatter abusing legal protections for renters. That person has no rights to the property, but they're allowed to continue living there while the courts sort out who's right or wrong.Like the Australian anon said, squatters only gain legal rights to a property if they've been living there for a very long time. They also have to have been living there openly, plus a third condition something about being flagrant? Basically it's multiple official ways of specifying that how it has to be really obvious to everyone that the squatter has been there for years and years.
>>535997063>f self defense is the motive, you have to do better than thatNo you don't. That's literally what Castle Doctrine is. Someone breaks into your house, the law ASSUMES your life is in danger, and thus fatal violence is legally justified.
>>535990254>>The law - also known as the Castle Doctrine - allows people to use deadly force in self-defense, provided they are >in a place they have a legal right to be inIt's Smith's house, he has every right to be there>are not breaking the lawWas Smith licensed and legally able to carry that gun? If so, then no laws were broken>and reasonably believe lethal force is necessary to save them from serious injury or death.An unauthorized intruder approached him on property that Smith owned and had every legal right to be there, and approached him with questionable intent when ordered to leave. Reasonable to believe that serious injury or death was possible given the close quarters and circumstances. The DA who went ahead with those charges should be fired.
>>536002700Sorry I don't know why I said Tennessee, I meant Oklahoma. Squatters don't have squatter rights in TN unless he was there for 15 years.
>>536002480>>536002685You say that, yet your own image counters your point.>Unlawfully and forcefully enters your home>Presumes you have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harmThese two go hand in hand. The breaking into the home in the first part enables the second part. Squatters are not automatically equal to burglars or other criminals because they were already in the home for potentially an extended period of time, because the hostile act of breaking into the home occurred a long time ago. You're not returning from the store to a burglar in your home, you are returning from an extended leave to a person who has been living in your home as if it were theirs for a while. Whether that is legal or not varies but regardless it doesn't automatically unlock the second half of castle doctrine any more than entering an abandoned warehouse does.
>>536002788Holy shit I said TN again. I mean in OKLAHOMA.
>>536002628https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kaylin_Gillishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Payton_Washingtonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Ralph_Yarlhttps://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-shooting-ball-girl-parents-61dda7685d1b0a9bcfde5655f753be1c
I think if the owner has a good lawyer he's going to be able to beat this. Especially if the ancillary details about the case are true especially the aggressive advance towards the gunman.From my understanding the owner DOES NOT have castle doctrine because he's not the "Occupant" since he lives elsewhere. The owner DOES have Stand-Your-Ground protections. OK. Law dictates that you may not confront a squatter with the intention of provoking a conflict but the gunman claims to not have known the squatter was there. If this is truthful or cannot be disproven then the jury will be instructed to deliberate on the reasonableness of the gunman's self defense (such as distance to assailant, warnings, frame of mine, and timeline of events). If the squatter had at any point broken entry then OK Law dictates it's more-reasonable to fear for your life from this person.
>>536002794>The breaking into the home in the first part enables the second partYup. The Squatter broke into the mans home. Man goes inside his home. Criminal is there. Both qualifications are met.>Squatters are not automatically equal to burglars or other criminals because they were already in the home for potentially an extended period of time, because the hostile act of breaking into the home occurred a long time ago.That's not part of ANY stipulation in regards to the law. Please prove me wrong or you're just saying a baseless assumption. A squatter is literally no different than a criminal who broke into your home who now decides to live there. >You're not returning from the store to a burglar in your home, you are returning from an extended leave to a person who has been living in your home as if it were theirs for a while. Again, no legal stipulation like that exists that I can find. If you're going to make up baseless rules then you don't have much of an argument.>doesn't automatically unlock the second half of castle doctrine any more than entering an abandoned warehouse does.No indication the property was "abandoned". Literally making stuff up.
you guys are some ivory tower retard niggersobviously it is very easy to provoke a squatter. what do you think happens when you confront one of them? baiting a self defense scenario is super easy
>>536003149This would need to be proven. If he knew the squatter was there beforehand the shooter is fucked.
>>536002966Piss poor prosecution counter unless they can define an actual time frame where it stops becoming a break-in, especially since Castle Doctrine provides no such time stipulation.
>>535990557>your only options are homicide or nothing at allAbsolutely nigger coded. The correct response is to gather a few friends and drive the squatters out with fists and sticks, maybe black bag them and drop them over the county line.
>>536002628>And it's real simple - don't do the crime if you can't do the time or get shot at for doing itIf you just shoot all the squatters then they will also default to violence broIt'd work out if this country wasn't being flooded with illegals and criminals but normalizing violence under these conditions will actually result in the hasty eradication of any remaining timmycels
>>536003227>If he knew the squatter was there beforehand the shooter is fucked.Why? He told him to leave. Squatter didn't, moved towards the home owner, and the home owner shot him. What the fuck is the case for your argument here? Let the squatter attack him? Guy gave the squatter a reasonable out by telling him to fuck off.
>>536003310>If you just shoot all the squatters then they will also default to violence broLol how? They are in the home. All the home owner has to do is wait outside for the squatter to come out, and bam, it's over.
>>536003318>He told him to leaveWhich proves that, at that time, he did not fear for his life.>Squatter didn't, moved towards the home ownerAccording to the property owner, the squatter "stepped towards him". So that's what he needs to convince a jury took things from him not fearing for his life to him shooting. Which, depending on his position relative to the exit, might be undermined ever so slightly by those steps being in direct compliance with his order.
>>536003318The law has a loophole against self-defense claims that if you sought out conflict with a specific person while armed your reasonableness levels plummet. It's not legal to kill your squatter nor is it immediately justified to provoke him into attacking you for a self-defense ruling. If the owner had any prior contact or knowledge with this squatter and attempted a DIY eviction he's fucked.
>>535991482Or you do what this guy did and do the world a favor killing a worthless nigger. It’s your home, enter it, ask them to leave. If they don’t, shoot them, place perp knife in their hand.
>>535991701You are correct, but the statement by the faggy lawyer is his opinion. It is directly contrary to state law.
>>535991893Oklahoma is as about as far from England as possible. Thank god
>>535992156Go vertically with an auger. It makes the soil look less disturbed. It’s also easier to miss a body laying vertically than horizontally if the area is ever combed for some reason.
>>535992299> have more rights in England Lol. Lmao even
>>535993100> then they have a right to be thereMaybe in gay Canada. Not in Oklahoma.
>>535994264> The main issue are forensics, you simply can't fool science.Yes you can. Forensics isn’t like on tv. “Ballistics” means fuck all and anyone who shoots knows why. Hell even king nigger’s DOJ published a 100+ page report on how it doesn’t work.
>>535993100Squatters are not granted castle-doctrine protections and the nature of their presence there calls stand-your-ground protections into question. You must NOT be the primary aggressor and NOT be engaged in unlawful activity for legal self-defense claims. Rather than attacking the owner instantly he could have said you are trespassing leave my residence, at that point it becomes a civil matter and neither has any right to do harm to one another.
>>535996779> Self defence, would actually make more sense than castle doctrine That’s the same thing you retard
